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26 Feb 04 - 05:37 PM (#1124713) Subject: BS: Codswallop! From: Bee-dubya-ell It has occurred to me that the term "codswallop" is invariably used in a negative fashion. Why is this? Is there something totally vile and repulsive about walloping a cod every now and then? I don't think so. Sure, anything can be taken to excess. Someone who goes around walloping cods all the time probably needs help. But, for normal people, walloping a cod can be a healthy and normal form of recreational activity. I think it's high time for enlightened people to stand up for their right to wallop a few cods! Sincerely, Bruce |
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26 Feb 04 - 05:59 PM (#1124727) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Liz the Squeak But cod are endangered and very hard to fathom out... ever heard of the piece of cod that passeth all understanding? LTS |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:00 PM (#1124728) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Hollowfox I know more than a few gents who wear codpieces, and I know for a fact that they wouldn't look forward to getting walloped anywhere near that region. Could be interesting though, but a bit risky to the walloper as well. |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:06 PM (#1124734) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Cluin I thought it meant getting walloped BY a cod. |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:12 PM (#1124741) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Stilly River Sage From Ask Oxford:
The story goes that a gentleman by the name of Hiram Codd patented a bottle for fizzy drinks with a marble in the neck, which kept the bottle shut by pressure of the gas until it was pressed inwards. Wallop was a slang term for beer, and Codd's wallop came to be used by beer drinkers as a derogatory term for weak or gassy beer, or for soft drinks. This theory has appeared in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, but there are problems with it. Codswallop is not recorded until the mid-20th century, rather a long time after Codd's invention, and there are no examples of the spelling Codd's wallop, which might be expected as an early form. These are not conclusive disproof of the theory - it is conceivable that the term circulated by word of mouth, like many slang terms, and that the connection with Codd's bottle had been forgotten by the time that the term was written down - but they do shed doubt on the tale. |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:14 PM (#1124742) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: GUEST This thread may have been started specifically to make me look a burk, but I thought the expression Codswallop comes from a patent medicine from 19th century England. The inventor's name was Cod[d] and his medicine packed a punch. OK, this is the bit where some really clever git puts me straight ... |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:15 PM (#1124744) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Don Firth For what it's worth (if anything):-- Boink!! Don Firth |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:18 PM (#1124745) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: CarolC Cods? I have been told that there will come a day when I will have to kiss a cod fish. I have also been told that before kissing the fish I may have to undergo a certain amount of humiliation, and then afterwards I'll drink a toast of some really nasty rum and say, "Long may your big jib draw". I hope I won't have to wallop the poor thing after I've kissed it. |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:25 PM (#1124750) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Peace Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition says it entered the written language in 1963. Incidentally, the MWCD is a great value for dollar dictionary (because it provides the dates for words that enter the written language). They run about $25-28 Canadian. |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:27 PM (#1124751) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Stilly River Sage Don, beat you by two whole minutes! |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:30 PM (#1124753) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Amos Codswallop is an old Elizabethan term related to codspiece (a sheath for clothing the male member). It is roughly synonymous with smegma. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!! A |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:40 PM (#1124760) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: GUEST Sarf London speak....."freezin' me cods off" means it's parky. |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:53 PM (#1124768) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: The Fooles Troupe codswallop - the result obtained from 'walloping the cods' - similar derogatory use as US 'Jizz' 'Jazz'... |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:55 PM (#1124769) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Stilly River Sage Amos, whoever can equate codswallop with smegma needs a bath--now! That's some buildup.
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26 Feb 04 - 07:48 PM (#1124810) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: GUEST,marthabees Yes, but what does "parky" mean?? Or for that matter, "sarf"?? < Martha |
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26 Feb 04 - 09:44 PM (#1124859) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: GUEST,petr thought it was a region of England, near the lake district the codswallops. |
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26 Feb 04 - 11:43 PM (#1124911) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: LadyJean I always thought it was a bass ackwards way of saying "cow's dollop". |
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27 Feb 04 - 12:51 AM (#1124940) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Metchosin I don't know if you will have to wallop the beastie CarolC, but I think you might have to eat its tongue and cheeks. |
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27 Feb 04 - 01:02 AM (#1124943) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Metchosin and probably some Jigg's Dinner, scrunchions, fish & brewis and bakeapple pie. |
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27 Feb 04 - 09:47 AM (#1125136) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: CarolC JtS makes me Jigg's dinner quite often (without the boiled meat), and then bubble and squeak from the leftovers. Yummmm... I've had bakeapple jam, but not pie yet. I don't think I'll be doing the scrunchions, fish & brewis, or the cod tongue and cheeks, seeing as how I don't eat meat or seafood. Howsomever, I have been assured that there are some very tasty wild tofu that live in the south part of the island, and they taste just like bologna. |
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27 Feb 04 - 09:49 AM (#1125138) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: GUEST,MMario if wild tofu taste like bologna then it is plain that the domestic variety has had all the flavour bred out of it!!!! |
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27 Feb 04 - 10:23 AM (#1125163) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Amos SRS: Your erudition, vocabulary and flair for colorful quotes never cease to amaze me, dear!! It's not I who needs a bath, BTW, just my mind. I was offering a definition for codswallop, not indulging in the practice thereof!! :>) A |
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27 Feb 04 - 11:27 AM (#1125215) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Stilly River Sage Pretty gross, huh? I think I outdid myself on that one. |
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27 Feb 04 - 12:58 PM (#1125258) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: John MacKenzie Carol C. Rex Hunt has been kissing fish on TV for many years, and making a good living out of it, so don't despise the pastime. After all, it's better than a smack on the belly with a wet fish! John |
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28 Feb 04 - 02:44 AM (#1125655) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Mudlark Not that it has anything (necessarily) to do with codswollop, but it is my opinion that smegma is one of the most inherently ugly words in the English language. I cast no aspersions on the material itself, just the sound of the word. As to the orinigal word in question I'm amazed that it was first recorded in the 60's....the 1960's. Balderdash, I say. Maybe Venable Bede didn't use it, but surely some character in 12th Night did? |
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28 Feb 04 - 02:52 AM (#1125657) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Gurney Marthabees, parky means cold, as in weather, and sarf is the way Londoners say south. I always thought codswallop was a stew, chowder, or mess of pottage. Can't find any backup, though. |
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28 Feb 04 - 03:00 AM (#1125659) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: CarolC John... does he do it for fun, or is he in a perpetual state of being "screeched in"? |
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28 Feb 04 - 04:40 AM (#1125677) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: John MacKenzie He's Australian Carol! John |
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28 Feb 04 - 12:12 PM (#1125748) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Charley Noble Where has this thread been all my life? "Codswallop" is what sensitive people do when someone says things such as "Nearer my Cod to thee." Seriously, I always thought it had something to do with chugging a bottle of cod liver oil. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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28 Feb 04 - 12:17 PM (#1125749) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: CarolC He's Australian Carol! So I take it that that means he does it for fun. (?) |
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28 Feb 04 - 02:06 PM (#1125816) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: John MacKenzie No Carol; money! John |
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28 Feb 04 - 02:44 PM (#1125838) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: GUEST I always thought that the term wallop for beer came from the term Codswallop. The wallop was what you had to do to the bottom of the boittle of Codd's to dislodge the marble and gain access to the contents. |
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28 Feb 04 - 08:41 PM (#1126022) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: paddymac per Don's "boink" - "This mainly British colloquial expression is recorded only from the 1960s, but is certainly older. Its origin is uncertain. Some argue it may be from cods, an old term for the testicles that derives from the Anglo-Saxon sense of cod, a bag. It is also suggested that wallop may be connected with the dialect term meaning to chatter or scold (not with the word meaning a heavy blow)." I'm certainly no expert on British slang, but the above suggests to me the term likely had a sexual meaning. Now, what path that might lead to probably depends on whether the "cods" involved were walloping or being walloped. |
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28 Feb 04 - 08:53 PM (#1126032) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: Peace Good Cod, have you people no mercy? |
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28 Feb 04 - 09:18 PM (#1126038) Subject: RE: BS: Codswallop! From: JennieG Carol, Rex Hunt is a man who has a fishing program on Oz TV. He does blokey things things like going out in a boat with a few other men, plus a cameraman, they catch fish, haul them into the boat, take the hook out of the fish, discuss it in great detail (during the discussion the poor fish, cod or otherwise, is flapping around in Rex's hands), then Rex gives the fish a kiss and puts it gently back in the water. Male honour has been satisfied, they can then go home to their wives and tell lies about why there is no fish for dinner tonight. Cheers JennieG |