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07 Mar 04 - 09:48 PM (#1131328)
Subject: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Johnny in OKC

This is what I don't like about Mudcat.

Someone (not me) asks a serious question ...
and what do they get?

A lot of wise-acre, supposed-to-be-funny quips,
vulgar jibes, and generally unhelpful, off-topic
remarks.

For recent examples, see Irish Whistle and
Morris dancing threads.

What's with you, folk musicians? If you can't
think of something helpful, why don't you turn
off the computer and go practice?

Love, Johnny in OKC


07 Mar 04 - 09:56 PM (#1131336)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Bobert

Yo John,

Hey, ya gotta loosen up. You want serious folks you gotta go up on the porch. You're in the BS section which is somewhat below the porch.

Sorry, just one of them latitude things. No, make that altitude. Well, one of 'um...

But, hey, since you asked. Danged if I know. Lotta polymorphorse guilt syndrome 'round this time o' year...

That's my story an' Iz sticken to it...

Bobert


07 Mar 04 - 10:02 PM (#1131340)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: artbrooks

Hey, Johnny...take another look...or are there two sets of whistle and Morris threads? The only "wise-acre, supposed-to-be-funny quips,
vulgar jibes, and generally unhelpful, off-topic
remark" on the whistle thread was made by a Guest, not by a member. The rest of the comments seems to be honest attempts to provide useful assistance. I think the question on the Morris thread was also answered, pretty early on, but there was a lot of additional commentary as well. That seems to happen the tenth or twentieth time the same topic comes up, because guests don't know about the 'search engine'. Besides, Morris folks tend to be a bit odd.


07 Mar 04 - 10:04 PM (#1131341)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Johnny in OKC

Hi Bobert! I wasn't referring to the BS section,
where you would expect BS. It's the people in the
music section looking for useful info, that are
catching all the crap.

And God forbid someone mentions an instrument
other than guitar. They will get all kinds of
snide remarks about their beloved harmonica,
accordion, or fiddle, and instructions on where
to shove it.

Why can't we all just get along?

Love, Johnny


07 Mar 04 - 10:18 PM (#1131347)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Allan C.

You may notice that the same sort of thing happens in normal conversations. People chime in with every manner of remark, whether directly related to topic, vaguely related to topic or absolutely inappropriate to the discussion at hand. Yes, some of it is simple rudeness. Some is due to poor "listening" habits. But some is a reflection of the mood or humor of the individual.

We have had entire threads here about inappropriate humor in and out of the forum and countless attempts at a higher level of discipline among the non-BS threads. But the fact remains that people will be people. Folks will add to a thread in whatever way they are moved to do so. What you must learn to do is the very same as you would do in any other conversation: separate the wheat from the chaff.

Me? I like a little roughage. It helps to keep me regular.


07 Mar 04 - 10:19 PM (#1131349)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Bobert

Well danged, Johnny. I didn't realize that things had gotten so bad up on the porch. I might have to deutize me a posse', go on up there and knock a few of them high brow folkies heads together! Sho nuff, I might...

Hey, every time I go up there I'm talking blues and none of 'em seem to know much more than its a danged color... So I settled in here down unner the porch and we just talk a bunch o' crap but at least we ani't pertentious 'er nuthin'. And folks don't get on ya' fir grammar issues like up on the porch...

Heck, yer probably gonna get better answers from us unner-da-porcher-misfits than the high brows anyways... So, like whats ya' wanta know. Shot, we ain't stipid down here. And most of us is musicans... I think, but maybe not. Heck, I am...

Don't matter. Next time you gotta a serious question you jus' leave them high broz alone an' try us first...

Deal?

Bobert


07 Mar 04 - 10:28 PM (#1131352)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Hey, Johnny,

Listen to Bobert. Sometimes people just have bad days or weeks, or years, or . . . But, eventually, they come around. I couldn't find the ampersand (&) one day, and I was going nuts lookin' for it. So, off to the 'cat for advice. My question was answered in fewer than three posts (a laconic, "Well, on my computer keyboard it's above the number seven"), and then the 'catters went to town. When I posted, I knew that the boys and girls were going to have some fun with it, and they did. So did I. That's part of the charm. I have asked questions on the non-BS threads and people have been helpful. May take a few posts to get the help ya need, but it will arrive.

Bruce M


07 Mar 04 - 10:41 PM (#1131353)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Joe Offer

I think that on the Internet, our attempts at friendly humor can sometimes end up sounding harsh, and that can put a damper on a discussion. Generally, the humor in our music threads is light and intelligent, and I really like it. I'd hate for us to get too formal and academic.

I have to say that I get a bit bewildered in may of the BS threads, where the humor is often "over the top" for me.

But hey, de gustibus...., etc.
-Joe Offer-


07 Mar 04 - 10:51 PM (#1131357)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Johnny in OKC

Thank you, gents. I have taken my
pill and I am better now.
Love, Johnny


07 Mar 04 - 10:52 PM (#1131359)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Walking Eagle

I don't find folks north of the Mason-Dixon line snooty.They are often the British branch office and they post threads that they would like information on. Usually we Yanks haven't got a clue what the song is,but when we do, we contribute. I think the British Catters sometimes use the cat as a way to communicate rather than have to spend a lot of money on calls. Works for me! I'm sometimes a bit awestruck by the amount of small live music venues they have.

When I first joined, I asked about songs about baseball and covered bridges. WELL! Did I set myself up! I just joined in the fun. We wondered whether the outfielders would have to wear miners' lights to see in the dark to catch the ball! I said something about the saying 'hitting one into the rafters' would take on a whole new meaning.

Having a bad day huh?


07 Mar 04 - 10:56 PM (#1131361)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

You have a good evening, Johnny.


07 Mar 04 - 11:10 PM (#1131366)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Walking Eagle

One more thing. We just had a great discussion about the song of The Old Chisholm Trail.


07 Mar 04 - 11:17 PM (#1131369)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

Hey Johnny. You'll note on the Whistle thread that I not only offered some on-topic advice, but called the guest to task for his remarks. Joe's right, sometimes it's hard to get the tone of what people write here, but anyone who just answers a reasonable question with a not-so-nice remark and leaves it there is pretty sad. I like the Mudcat and don't like the idea that people are driving newbies away.

Also - I don't play guitar and have never felt that anyone here thought less of me (and I've been here for 5 years). That is certainly not the case in many of the music circles I taken part in.


07 Mar 04 - 11:17 PM (#1131370)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Bobert

An', unless yer a Brit, stay the heck away from any threads that would have you punch anything...

Bobert


07 Mar 04 - 11:42 PM (#1131384)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Dave Hanson

It's no good posting anything on Mudcat if you are at all sensitive,
but then even the few vicious retorts are very tongue in cheek,
personnaly I love the banter and good use of invective.
eric


07 Mar 04 - 11:44 PM (#1131386)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Dave Hanson

And don't mention the penguins either.
eric


08 Mar 04 - 09:56 AM (#1131398)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

It's the absences that grate on me. All those wonderful witticisms and creative angles left out, the wisdom not included, the humor unshared, the beautiful people who should be here but havem't found it yet, all the friends not yet made and, as well, those temporarily interrupted by other requirements.

Running one-body style in a multi-faceted universe LIKE THIS is very stressful, don't you think? It would be easier if we could each run a small flock.

A


08 Mar 04 - 10:15 AM (#1131425)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Leadfingers

The only thing I find at all upsetting about this wondrous thing we call The Cat is that a lot of people DONT read the preceding posts on a thread and just post what ever,sometimes the same comment/witticism for the third time!

Oh Yes - and the replies to obviously inflamatory 'Guest' postings
which simply make a silly situation worse in more cases than not.


08 Mar 04 - 11:25 AM (#1131460)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

I wasn't aware that things had gotten that unruly up on the "porch", Johnny. I seem to spend most of my time in the BS section, cos I have less to say about music lately (having pretty well said it all already).

What I don't like about Mudcat is this: William Shatner gets only grudging admiration here instead of outright adulation and fanatical worship. I expect that this will change in time, however.

- LH


08 Mar 04 - 11:32 AM (#1131468)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: ced2

The good thing about investive is when it stops; in that sense its a bit like egg shakesrs, boran thumpers and tabourine rattlers. What say you M Eric Le Rouge?


08 Mar 04 - 11:36 AM (#1131471)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: ced2

Sh1t my pyting is gutten wrose, four investive read invective


08 Mar 04 - 11:37 AM (#1131473)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

I dnot thmik it coold get amy verse.


08 Mar 04 - 11:40 AM (#1131477)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Little Hawk:

I am crushed. I admire William Shatner. I laud him; sing his praises; behave like a groupie, and you post THAT! Death, where is thy sting?


08 Mar 04 - 11:45 AM (#1131480)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: JennyO

Onm teh ohtre hnadd, manebey ig oculdd


08 Mar 04 - 11:49 AM (#1131483)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

Huh? But, brucie, how can you say that? I KNOW you are a true Shatnerite to the very core! Why, if there were more people like you and me on Mudcat we could probably get Big Bill's smiling face put on the Mudcat logo. Wouldn't that be great?

- LH


08 Mar 04 - 11:55 AM (#1131494)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario - ignoring abovecomment *shudder*

The only thing I find at all upsetting about this wondrous thing we call The Cat is that a lot of people DONT read the preceding posts on a thread and just post what ever,sometimes the same comment/witticism for the third time!

whoops! I guess Ijust did that!


08 Mar 04 - 12:01 PM (#1131502)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: ced2

lalbscok, tow heav I sturted?


08 Mar 04 - 12:05 PM (#1131506)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

I hate when people don't read the previous posts and make a comment that has already been said.


By the way - who is this Shatner you talk about?


08 Mar 04 - 12:09 PM (#1131511)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Jerry Rasmussen

LH: I was watching Judgment At Nurenberg the other night and had to laugh when I spotted Brother Bill Shatner playing a court clerk. He had one line, I think, and delivered it as if he was announcing "The British Are Coming!!!!" No line was ever too mundane for Billy Boy. :-)

There's nothing that I strongly dislike about Mudcat, although at times the comments can seem unnecessarily mean-spirited. I must admit that I rarely see anything in the music threads that I feel I can contribute anything to. Like Mudchat, it seems very heavily tilted toward the Brits. That's o.k. with me, too. There seems to be much more of a close-knit folk community over there, just because of the closer proximity to each other and far more venues where they can interact. I'm lucky if I see another "folkie" more than two or three times a year.

Maybe it's time to ressurect a What I like about Mudcat thread. Now, there's a topic I could write A LOT about!


Jerry


08 Mar 04 - 12:15 PM (#1131522)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Art Thieme

Mudcats taste great when prepared properly. But sometimes they just have too many damn bones to pick. It can help quite a bit just to let 'em swim in clear and cold water for a few days before the feast !!

Art Thieme


08 Mar 04 - 12:18 PM (#1131525)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Ellenpoly

You know, it was like a dirty secret for so long that I kept in the back of my cluttered closet of darkness, but now that I see I'm amongst friends, I can say it out loud and proud...Willam Shatner ROCKS!...Ooooo that made me feel goooood!..xx..e


08 Mar 04 - 12:37 PM (#1131541)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

Art - another piece of wisdom!


08 Mar 04 - 01:07 PM (#1131567)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Teresa

Oh? I like to hang out with any 'catters ... in the chat, on the forum ... they may be from UK, Oz, sweden, Canada, the United States, Antarcttica, china ... I don't make distinctions. That's what I like about the 'cat. Hey, where else can I drink a bear, find out about gadgets that cook a grilled sandwich whole, or any number of interesting bits of fun and information? :)

Oh, and I love Shatner, but I love Patrick Stewart more. Or is it Leonard Nimmoy? Hmm, tough call. ;) :D


08 Mar 04 - 02:23 PM (#1131631)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow

Anytime you ask a question on the Mudcat you want a helpful answer to, you are going to get that helpful answer, and probably lots of helpful answers, no matter how esoteric the subject.

And as well as that, you'll also get some jokers, and some of them won't be as funny as they think they are, but every now and again there'll be posts that really crack you up.

I think you must have just had a bad day, Johnny in OKC


08 Mar 04 - 03:21 PM (#1131671)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Cluin

Jeez! Cut it out with the Shatner Appreciation Society dogma, willya?

If he gets any more puffed up, he's gonna rival the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.


08 Mar 04 - 03:29 PM (#1131679)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

He already reminds me of that guy, or perhaps the Michelin Tire Boy. :>) It's his acting skills.


A


08 Mar 04 - 03:41 PM (#1131685)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

Awright, Ellenpoly! I knew you were the kind of person who would understand. Think harvest gold lycra T-shirt, strategically ripped to show Bill's sweaty torso, gleaming after a big dust-up with a hideous reptilian alien commander on some nameless asteroid...whew!

Once again, Shatner derails a thread. I love it. My elevation of Big Bill to Mudcat Icon is the proudest accomplishment of my life.

That's why I'm in therapy. :-)


08 Mar 04 - 03:50 PM (#1131689)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Sorry, LH, just a wee fit of pique. Thought you had included me with the plebes who do not recognize greatness. (Here I'm thinking of certain parties who will remain unnamed--ahem: see the two posts directly above this one.)


08 Mar 04 - 03:51 PM (#1131690)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Damn, should have refreshed. The two posts above your last one, LH.


08 Mar 04 - 03:51 PM (#1131691)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: artbrooks

William Shatner? Wasn't he the relief shortstop for the Toledo Mudhens?


08 Mar 04 - 04:13 PM (#1131703)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

D*mn LH - I'm gonna have nightmares now from the visual flashes evoked by your last post.


08 Mar 04 - 04:58 PM (#1131740)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Walking Eagle

All I want to know is, can this Shatner dude hit a stitch ripper in a dark covered bridge? That's what it comes down to for me.


08 Mar 04 - 06:24 PM (#1131773)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

where else can I drink a bear

Is that what Art recommends with blackened mudcat?


08 Mar 04 - 06:39 PM (#1131786)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Y'all know what a bar stool is?

It's what Daniel Boone stepped in.


08 Mar 04 - 06:56 PM (#1131800)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

LOL! On that thought, I am off to the Orillia Song Circle to play some acoustic music.

See ya!

- LH


08 Mar 04 - 06:57 PM (#1131803)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,Ely

Okay, so I'm not the only one here who thinks it's a bit Brit-centric? Whew. 95% of the time that doesn't bother me but occasionally--**occasionally**--I do find it frustrating because I feel like it's harder to get serious, helpful responses about non-British music. I'm still here because this is the nearest thing I've found to my "ideal music forum" but sometimes I feel like I have to choose between all-British music and the likes of Tarheel of recent notoriety.


08 Mar 04 - 07:04 PM (#1131812)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

WE,

Can Shatner shit a rich stripper in a bark covered fridge?

Darn good question. Probably. He is, after all, THE William Shatner.


08 Mar 04 - 07:23 PM (#1131831)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Maryrrf

I must agree with Johnny that I've been put off by the sarcasm and mean spiritedness that sometimes comes out in Mudcat, and often find myself starting to post but wondering if I'd say something accidentally that would set somebody off and then just figuring "Why bother?". I've become something of a lurker. And I've seen some newcomers who probably posted once and will never post again after the remarks they were subjected to.

Humor doesn't come through as well in an e-mail or a posting as it does in person. Not too long ago I sent out an e-mail to the people on my mailing list to update them on my performance schedule, and made some flippant remarks about Valentine's day. It really upset one person and it took a while before he understood (after an exchange of e-mails, that I was JOKING). Eye contact and a smile make a big difference in how a remark is perceived.

That said, I still go on Mudcat every day and could safely say I learn something from it every day, so this isn't a condemnation.

But it would be nicer we could all make an effort to be polite, and think before we post.


08 Mar 04 - 07:47 PM (#1131848)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,Bill Shatner

I hate when people don't read the previous posts and make a comment that has already been said.
-Bill Shatner-


08 Mar 04 - 09:20 PM (#1131897)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

WOW! BILL SHATNER. Are you any relation to WILLIAM?


08 Mar 04 - 09:22 PM (#1131899)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Charley Noble

Well, I've carefully read all of the above posts, even the redundant ones, and the main thing I'd like to reinforce is I think it would be nicer if people actually addressed something that someone posted above more often. Makes it more like a conversation rather than random observations. Those who post a new thread should also do more to try to manage the discourse, and maybe they should think twice about posting if they're not interested in doing that. I do get irritated with people who post a thread and then seem to abandon it.

Most of the time I have fun posting to Mudcat, and sometimes the result is much more creative than I could achieve on my own.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


08 Mar 04 - 10:23 PM (#1131933)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Walking Eagle

Bruce LOL!

Well, LH, does he hit for power or for average? You STILL haven't answered my question. This year,every team in MLB could use a few power hitters.

This here is serious stuff LH! I need to know before I submit my fantasy team roster.


08 Mar 04 - 10:35 PM (#1131940)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Walking Eagle

There is a good discussion going on now above the Mason-Dixon line titled--Instruments-Pros and Cons. Have a look. No passport needed.


08 Mar 04 - 11:36 PM (#1131964)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: katlaughing

I really miss the really creative BS we used to have with the story threads, tavern threads, things like the Hokey-Pokey thread and the Druids, etc. This is mostly due, imo, to the loss of participation of some stellar Mudcatters who just can't be here as much or choose not to try anymore. I think the sheer numbers of members have dissipated the really good creativity.

kat


09 Mar 04 - 12:02 AM (#1131976)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

Okay! The question was: "All I want to know is, can this Shatner dude hit a stitch ripper in a dark covered bridge?"

Can he? You betcha, Walking Eagle! William Shatner has ripped more stitches than the average person ever even gets to see in a lifetime. He is a stitch-ripper extraordinaire!

Kat - I've noticed that too. Spaw is in semi-retirement it seems, and where is Lonesome E.J.?

- LH


09 Mar 04 - 12:11 AM (#1131982)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

I mis the "old days" too - Certainly I was mmuch more of a witness than a participant.

I noticed on the Tin Whistle thread that "Guest,guest" is still mentioning me in "its" posts. Yet "Guest,guest" is trying to come off as a nice person.

Oh well.


09 Mar 04 - 12:28 AM (#1131993)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

I hear ya, Kat, although I must say I was purdy impressed witht he Chongo fiction thread, carried mainly by two guys who weren't part of the earlier fiction classic Mudcat Green Tea and Literary Society!

Who knows what fertile pockets are brewing even now?

Ya just gotta roll with the flow I reckon.

A


09 Mar 04 - 10:36 AM (#1132055)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

Why thanks, Amos. I have to give credit for inspiration to Frank Cho and his great comic "Liberty Meadows" without which Chongo might never have happened.

- LH


09 Mar 04 - 10:51 AM (#1132072)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow

It comes and it goes, kat. And I'm pretty sure that when you check back on any time that counts, rightly enough, as "the good old days", you'll find someone round about then lamenting some other "good old days".

The sheer number of people and number of threads can get in the way, so that right mixture to produce some kinds of creative threads doesn't come together. And when it does, it's easy enough to miss seeing it happening, (For example for some reason I missed the Chongo thread.)

But I'm sure we'll find our way round that. One of them being to bring stuff like that to people's attention in threads like this, the way Amos did just now - and I'll off to catch up on it before too long (BS: My Banana Is Quick: A Chongo Chimp Tale )


09 Mar 04 - 11:13 AM (#1132096)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Ellenpoly

Being a newbie, it's always a little distressing to hear how much better it was in the good old days...but I also recognize that such days do occur, and for that, I'm grateful that mudcat keeps threads that go way back. freda underhill suggested the one about Sgt Cat and Her Howling Mudcat Commandos, and I'm still Howling along with them.
I have noticed one thing, though, and that's that I'd far rather be answered than ignored in a thread. Sometimes I feel like I'm in a club of friends who really like to discuss and argue and no matter what I might offer, I'm just not gonna be acknowledged. So be it...I have a thick enough skin. I learned that from William Shatner when he was actually rebuffed by one of the many lovelies who usually sink willingly into his manly arms and give themselves up to the soaring lust that....oops where was I?


09 Mar 04 - 11:59 AM (#1132126)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Doktor Doktor

K ....
.... time for a song about how good the ole Mudcat was .......


09 Mar 04 - 12:09 PM (#1132134)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

Ellenpoly:

LOL!!! But a word of advice....stay away fromt hat roly-poly hambone creampuff!! He's death on conversation. And he looks like the Michelin Man.

A


09 Mar 04 - 12:11 PM (#1132138)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Bobjack

How many folkies does it take to change a light bulb? One, and 30million to sing about how much better the old bulb was.


09 Mar 04 - 01:34 PM (#1132228)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

Amos!!!

Have you forgotton Mudcat Insiders Rule Number 548?

Don't acknowledge Ellenpoly - that'll only encourage more participation! We don't want that!

pax y'all


09 Mar 04 - 01:54 PM (#1132245)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow

If you want to viit the Mudcat as it was, try this site - Internet Archive Wayback Machine, and you can see how the forum looked on various dates going back as far a 1998 - and open up tye threads as well. A real time machine, and a rapid way of finding some great threads.


09 Mar 04 - 02:00 PM (#1132254)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

Aww, BC, I guess you'll have to cancel my Insider's Certificate -- the one I never received because the Clique didn't trust the U.S. Mails.

But cancel it anyway, just in case.

A


09 Mar 04 - 03:00 PM (#1132328)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: katlaughing

HeyaEllenpoly! Welcome to the Mudcat!! Glad you are still "howling" with us. :-) I have seen your postings; haven't been posting much myself, so if I slighted you in anyway, please know it was not intentional.

Kevin, I know. I well remember when older oldsters lamented, but that was mostly about the music threads, which I well understand. I am talking about the BS section, before it was a separate section, mostly. Without the creative talents of Spaw, Lonesome EJ, JenEllen, PeterT, Sourdough, and many others (who was it who always strode into the tavern in a long black duster?), the title "BS" has become self-fulfilling, imo. I blame myself for some of the political comments ad nauseum, having started the first Bushwhacked thread.:-)

No offence to you, LH, but I just couldn't get into the Chongo stories. Partly because of what was going on in my life, busy and distracted as all get out, but also because I enjoy stories more when there are many voices of others, who keep a good line of continuity going despite the diversity. This in no way reflects on your stories and abilities, nor those of anyone else who might have posted to them.

All we can do is look to today and watch out for tomorrow, so I won't linger on it, but I have been feeling this for some time, as I know others have with whom I've spoken and it finally felt right to say so, publicly. Perhaps there will be a reunion story thread sometime where we might all wax eloquently once more.:-)

Thanks for listening. To anyone interested, I would urge you to take a look at some of the Mudcat Classic Threads listed in the Permathread at the top of the thread titles. There was something majick in those days.

luvyakat


09 Mar 04 - 10:48 PM (#1132722)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Well, I'll cut down my posts until I see how the new "Winds of Change" change direction here. I'm out for a bit. Bruce Murdoch


10 Mar 04 - 06:28 AM (#1132859)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Mr Red

This is a public forum. The public is a spectrum. Folk is a subset but still a spectrum. Try being a bodhran player and see where the spectrum extends to. Must dash - I just saw my life flash before me - I gotta get some of that.


10 Mar 04 - 06:45 AM (#1132868)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: freda underhill

reading mudcat is like reading the paper - sometimes its just compelling - other days its just okayish.

hmmmm......

one time i felt uncomfortable here was when i was chatting with someone in a thread, and was reprimanded by another (quite chatty) catter & told to take it into pms. couldn't work out the logic, and the other person just dropped right out of mudcat after that.

i have learnt to just ignore some people's posts (only one or two )who seem to be relentlessly on the attack.

yes, Sgt Kat and her mudcat commandos were hilaaaarious, but chongo didn't hook me in. must be a girly thing!


10 Mar 04 - 09:43 AM (#1132986)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Dave Hanson

Jasus ced2, you pissed up or what? and William shat where?
eric


10 Mar 04 - 09:54 AM (#1132999)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

Yeah, probably a guy thing about Chongo. Chongo is a send-up of a kind of fiction that was written mostly (I think) for male readers...that being the private eye stories of Dashiell Hammett, Raymond Chandler, and other authors in that genre. I came across a site that had ALL the old gangster slang on it and got inspired. Slugs, roscoes, dames, gats, pins, gumshoes! It went on and on.

I enjoy taking a super-masculine, exaggerated world like that and plunking a bunch of apes and monkeys down in the middle of it. It really adds color, don't you think?

I was also inspired by Liberty Meadows, the comic strip, which features chimps and apes frequently for the purposes of bizarre humour and satire.

I figured it would help to work in some good romance stuff, so I tried to do that.

But let's face it, gangsters in pinstripe suits aren't for everybody. :-)

Chongo is a real, living character to me by now.

- LH


10 Mar 04 - 10:10 AM (#1133016)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Rapparee

Hey, I play trumpet! T-R-U-M-P-E-T, trumpet. Ever think of the trumpet as a folk instrument? Jazz, yeah. Blues, even. But folk? Nobody plays folk trumpet (except me, which means I play folk songs on the trumpet).

When people start talking about instruments, they ignore me! And yet, and yet...you never heard about the Last Guitar, or the Last Banjo, or the Last Bagpipe, or the Last Button Box, or even the Last Bodhran. It's the Last Trumpet, or the Last Trump.

Us trumpteters are gonna have the Last Word, and you fancy-schmancy dobro and ukelele players better realize it and be nice to us! (Send money and/or fine whisky.)


10 Mar 04 - 10:11 AM (#1133017)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

Now is now. Consequences of our many pasts visited upon us.


Do with it what you will, and accept the consequences.

A


10 Mar 04 - 10:27 AM (#1133031)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: katlaughing

LH, maybe it's a critter thing?**bg** Some of us were great fans of Ray Chandler and others. And, remember our own Bette Monroe & Blake Madison?.:-)

brucie, I apologise if any of my remarks offended you. I made them in a general sense and meant no harm. I've always enjoyed your postings, very much.

kat


10 Mar 04 - 10:39 AM (#1133046)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow

Trumpets in folk? Not in your normal session maybe very often, but there've been some people who've used trumpet very effectively with Engoish folk music - nitab ly Brass Monkey.

And trad Jazz is folk anyway; and how about Mariachi music?


10 Mar 04 - 10:41 AM (#1133048)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Bohdran Killer

Yo Rapaire, there is a great English trumpeter called Howard Evans, he plays in the band Brass Monkey with Martin Carthy etc.
Killer


10 Mar 04 - 10:42 AM (#1133049)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Chief Chaos

What I don't like about Mudcat?

Flaming Trolls!
No matter how you cook them they still come out inedible.

Recipe:
1 Troll (preferably dead)
30' strong rope
1 long plank
Salt and Pepper as preferred

Tie troll to plank with rope.
Insert plank with tied on troll into hot coals for about 30 minutes per pound of troll. At finish cut troll from plank, throw away troll and eat plank.

I know I'm a self-confessed smart ass. I try not to offend and ya'll have been pretty good at responding to me. Sometimes I have something useful to add and sometimes I may throw in something that resembles humor (from 300', in the dark, on a foggy night). Despite 1st ammendment rights I don't always post to threads that might bring me trouble (active duty military).

Glad to see that someone enjoyed Chongo. The last story had less humor than the first because of the subject matter. The author that started the story had some problems and was unable to contribute in the normal manner. The funny thing is that I don't read the genre myself, its a wonder that I can contribute at all. I know that Chongo is typing away the next story of his adventures. I was also thinking that Kerchak might want to brag about his war exploits as well. And yes, Liberty Meadows is a great strip (thanks LH).


10 Mar 04 - 10:48 AM (#1133057)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Bohdran Killer

Yo Chief Chaos, ya don't offend me ya moronic eejut.
Killer


10 Mar 04 - 11:43 AM (#1133099)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

kat,

I should be apologizing to you. I was miffed a bit, but that happens. I enjoy your writing, and you are one of the people who write on the 'cat whose thread comments I invariably read rather than scan. Besides, when I thought about what you wrote, I recognized that people like you have made much more of a contribution to the 'cat than I have, so I should have thought before I opened my mouth.

I think that when a site like the 'cat gets too few #####s (I am a 'fan' of his writing; his humour is excellent and he is very intelligent) or too many Gargoyles, it diminishes in quality. Had I considered that in light of your post, I would have agreed.

Thank you, kat, for writing. It means a great deal to me, and please forgive my pout. I can be a real ass at times, and this has been one of them. I tried to send this by message about five times and the f##kin' thing will not go.

Can't even reset my bloody cookie. So, I will be asking if I can completely get out of the 'cat as brucie and rejoin as Murdoch. I don't know what the hell the problem is, but it's been a a pain in the ass for three weeks now, and I am fed up.
Bruce M


10 Mar 04 - 11:46 AM (#1133102)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

Bruce - Joe or Pene can probably help with the cookie - and restructuring your account if necessary (it probably isn't) - check out the help forum.


10 Mar 04 - 11:49 AM (#1133106)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

You can do that Bruce. Just don't ask me how.


10 Mar 04 - 11:59 AM (#1133114)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: katlaughing

Thanks, Bruce, you are a scholar and a gentleman, as well as a good friend.

luvyakat


10 Mar 04 - 12:06 PM (#1133117)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

I thank both of you. This is taking forever. I re registered as Murdoch and everything still takes forever to load. I keep getting timed out. This is the only site that happens with. I would appreciate if Joe or Jeff could cancel my account as brucie AND as Murdoch. Thanks. I will try to get on again at a later date. I have deleted the damn cookies and it makes no difference. I often time out when I try to any damn thing. Sorry. Had to get it off my chest. Thanks guys and gals.

brucie and Murdoch


10 Mar 04 - 02:14 PM (#1133221)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,brucie

How can I access the help button someone mentioned? I can't log in or log out. Bruce M


10 Mar 04 - 02:17 PM (#1133225)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

PS When I post to here, I click the SUBMIT button, watch it struggle to load, wait about 15 seconds, push "Refresh" under my computer's VIEW thing and the message will post. Otherwise, I time out after a minute. Bruce M
I think we have Brucie fixed. He screamed a bit during the operation, but I think he's OK now. I guess we should have used more anaesthetic. Oh, well...
-Joe Offer-


10 Mar 04 - 02:28 PM (#1133232)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

Bruce - you don't need to be logged in. the help button is on the top right of the page. the "help" in the banner across the top. It leads to the help forum.

that's an odd problem - I can't think of anything that should cause it.


10 Mar 04 - 05:45 PM (#1133365)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Johnny in OKC

Thanks to all for the good comments, except the stuff
about William Shatner, who DESERVES a another special thread
all about him. Is there a WS website?

Rapaire, I am gonna start a thread called
Folksong, folkdance, folkmusic .. to discuss the
trumpet and other melody instruments eg. flute, clarinet,
trombone etc.

Love, Johnny


10 Mar 04 - 06:25 PM (#1133394)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow

You might consider calling it "Things to blow" - up the musical end of the page you'd probably not get too many of the kind of unseemly responses to that you might perhaps get down this end. Still, it might be better to say "Musical things to blow"..


10 Mar 04 - 08:21 PM (#1133460)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Johnny, I wouldn't be listening to McG of H's advice on this one. Usually, he's on the money, but this time . . . . Some darn Canadian will think even the "Musical things to blow" pertains to him. His reasoning will go, "I'm musical, I have things, must mean me!" I would never think that way, but certain unmentionable guys from Ontario would.


11 Mar 04 - 02:25 AM (#1133626)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Johnny in OKC

I get it, Brucie, that would be asking for trouble.
Still thing about it.
JOHNNY


11 Mar 04 - 05:59 PM (#1134195)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Deckman

Who's William Shatner? Bob


11 Mar 04 - 06:16 PM (#1134212)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

THAT'S why I have few problems around here: I've been FIXED. Glad you joined the club of fixed Mudcatters around here Brucie.

oh, wait . . .


11 Mar 04 - 08:29 PM (#1134326)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

The unkindliest cut of all.


11 Mar 04 - 09:33 PM (#1134371)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Strick

"Who's William Shatner? Bob"

An infamous popsinger. Check out his work here.

William Shatner Sings

(should I have include some kind of hazardwarning? this is priceless)


12 Mar 04 - 10:43 AM (#1134726)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Dave Bryant

Just thought I'd say that one of the reasons that I and many other catters often make light-hearted posts on some some threads, is that we've already made our serious comments, but want to keep the thread alive and posting "refresh" always seem a bit tame.


12 Mar 04 - 11:58 AM (#1134826)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: el ted

What I don't like is other buggers pinching the hundredth post when they rightfully mine


12 Mar 04 - 12:15 PM (#1134842)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Allan C.

Ellenpoly, lots of threads become receptacles for statements of opinions, sans discussion. In such threads, although most folks might have read the previous postings, it is far more important to them to try to put into words their own thoughts on the subject. I see the merit in these and have posted to my share of them; but I do prefer the threads that lean more toward dialog.

kat, it was Mikal who wore the long, black duster.

I, too, miss "the good old days" at times. I think a lot of what was great about those times was the way in which we were so focussed on the subject of the thread. If it was about a song, we researched and discussed it. If it was meant to be funny, we were hilarious. There were so few of us back then and a lot fewer threads from which to choose. I can't recall for certain, but I believe I remember a time when the total number of threads on the forum page might have been sixteen. As a result, many of us posted to nearly all of them! Thus, we became a rather close knit bunch. Then, when we actually began to meet one another in the 3D world, the connections were even more solid. That has been one of my favorite aspects of the Mudcat.

I continue to love the Mudcat. It has given me much more than I can possibly tell you. I don't like that the "good old days" are gone; but I do like that the Mudcat has been able to change with the times and that there are still so many wonderful people here, both new and shall we say, "seasoned"? I am always in favor of new friendships and feel I discover them regularly, even now.


12 Mar 04 - 12:15 PM (#1134843)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

Sometimes I do contribute nothing but a hopefully funny remark, but I try to never have be negative. I got mad at "Guest,guest" on the tin whistle thread because he was the first poster and made comments that bluntly suggested that the question asker destroy their whistles. To me that was inapproprate and I said so.

Sometimes it's comments like that that drive newbies away and that's unfortunate.


12 Mar 04 - 12:51 PM (#1134873)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Little Hawk

Deckman doesn't know who William Shatner is???? Shocking!

William Shatner played (and is) Captain Kirk on the historic show "Star Trek" in the late 60's. He became a sci-fi icon of immeasurable stature. He then recorded the most unique treatments of certain popular songs (Mr Tambourine Man, Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, etc) ever heard! He went on to star in T.J.Hooker...well, maybe we should just forget about that....

He did guest appearances in many TV shows and movies over the years, always demonstrating that unique quality that is all his own, and has remained unmatched by any other actor or singer.

He does very funny TV commercials.

He starred in a whole series of Star Trek movies. "The Wrath of Khan" was one of the most popular of those, and featured the death of Spock, the famous Vulcan first officer, and Shatner's best friend offscreen. Spock was played by Leonard Nimoy. Nimoy has also recorded some music. It can't match Shatner, except for one cut "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins". That one is almost unbelievable. You gotta hear it!

Shatner is also a sex symbol of unparallelled power. Some people don't see it. They are only to be pitied.

Go to his site, Deckman! Look up williamshatner.com and find out even more!

Did I mention that he's Canadian? What a guy!

- LH


12 Mar 04 - 01:02 PM (#1134880)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

He's a creampuff with a silhouette remarkably similar to the Michelin Man./..

A


12 Mar 04 - 01:12 PM (#1134887)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

shame the new meds haven't helped LH, isn't it? And we had such high hopes for dried frog!


12 Mar 04 - 03:15 PM (#1135036)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,Casual Observer

What I don't like about Mudcat is the people who claim to be so liberal and tolerant and loving, but only toward other self-proclaimed liberal tolerant people. The bouts of name-calling are disturbing. Yeah, I understand about free speech and all that, but wrong speech makes for bad medicine and negative energy. It is entirely possible to be critical of world leaders, or anyone else for that matter, in an intelligent manner, instead of resorting to ridicule.


12 Mar 04 - 06:44 PM (#1135175)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

We REAL men in Canada look up to William Shatner. It is he after whom we fashion ourselves. True, we often receive abusive statements from our friends south of 54-40, but we always write that off as jealousy prompted by envy. Yes, you Americans have Arnie, Jesse, and sundry other political figures who could bend cars for breakfast, but we have William. Never mind mad cow disease, soft-wood lumber and SARs. You want trouble with us, just mention that Shatner isn't in tip-top shape anymore. Mention that he can't act. Say things like that and we will simply beam him up and completely collapse the entire culture of the whole USA in one fell swoop. So back off, or we bring him home.
What comes next is a private message to Little Hawk, so please stop reading now. Thank you. If you said, "You're welcome," you didn't stop reading where you were so politely asked to. Let's try it again. Stop now.


Hey, LH, I think our friends are getting nervous about Bill. I think we have to tone down the rhetoric just a tad. They don't yet perceive him to be the next President of the United States. We'll get Bush to change the Constitution so that Canadians who have commanded the Enterprise can become the Chief Executive, whether they were born in the USA or not. Bill may be hard to sell on this because it'll be a step backward for him, but if he's gonna be the NWO head dictator, we gotta start somewhere. We have lotsa work to do. The Americans are so nekulurny when it comes to truly great actors. Later, Bruce M


12 Mar 04 - 11:14 PM (#1135309)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

We REAL men in Canada look up to William Shatner.

Two oxyorons don't make a moron, Brucie -- but they do come awful close!!

A


12 Mar 04 - 11:46 PM (#1135324)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Kim C

Nekulurny?


13 Mar 04 - 03:09 AM (#1135373)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Gurney

The only thing that burns me is when I can't get on it in my limited Etime. Comes of living in the first place in the world, I suspect.
I can live with the occasional visiing idiot and resident temporary grump, "let he who is without sin ...."


13 Mar 04 - 05:32 AM (#1135403)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Ellenpoly

I'm pretty sure Deckman was kidding when he said he didn't know who Willaim Shatner is...at least I HOPE so, I mean this could be the end of a beautiful friendship DM Bob!!

And, are we all going to dance around the ALL TIME GREATEST HOMOEROTIC SCENE ever produced during "The Wrath of Khan" between our beloved James Tiberius Kirk, and sexy dying Mr Spock?? OMG(dess)!!xx..e


13 Mar 04 - 11:24 AM (#1135511)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

I aske who Shatner was early on in the thread and NOBODY resonded. Clearly it was a stupid remark.


13 Mar 04 - 03:13 PM (#1135657)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

LOL, Amos.


14 Mar 04 - 06:19 AM (#1136023)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST


14 Mar 04 - 06:25 AM (#1136025)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,cautious

Dear sympathy coloumn

what don't i like about mudcat.
out in the other world, i am cautious about personal involvements. very cautious.

i have met someone here that i have been flirting with heavily in the chat room - he has a v funny sense of humour which hooked me right in. how did this happen and what have i gotten myself into?

will he still respect me in the morning?

signed

outwardly restrained
virtually uncontrollable


14 Mar 04 - 09:33 PM (#1136524)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

Dear cautious:

You cad! You have knocked me up, virtually. You with your whispers and wiles. How, now, can I return to my spouse. You told me you'd show me a time like none I had ever seen, and you did. Now, one of us is with child. I did respect you in the morning, but alas, I was gone. So, am I knocked up, or is it you? Please place an ad on this thread when you find out. The rabbit has died.


15 Mar 04 - 12:47 AM (#1136649)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,guest

Jeez, Blackcatter - you do go on a bit. May I remind you of the sequence on the Irish Whistle thread.
The question was "How do you tune an Irish Whistle" to which I (humorously I thought) replied "Put it on a grinder and it will get sharp, hit it with a hammer and it will go flat!" Your reply to me was "F*** Off!" which I considered somewhat unkind.   
By suggesting that anyone would think that was good advice, act on it and "destroy" their whistle, you insult whistle players everywhere by implying that they are a pretty stupid bunch.


15 Mar 04 - 12:55 AM (#1136653)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

On the bright side, people have short memories.


15 Mar 04 - 12:57 AM (#1136654)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

GUEST-your mother sells whelks in Hull.


15 Mar 04 - 12:58 AM (#1136655)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

One F***Off doth not a robin make in spring (or something like that).


15 Mar 04 - 01:37 AM (#1136668)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,guest

Hey Brucie - now you Do have a sense of humor but you lost me on the robin thing - wasn't it something about a swallow in Summer? (Cum to think of it - is there anything better than a swallow in Summer?)


15 Mar 04 - 11:43 AM (#1137063)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,noddy

you can sign in as a nom de plume and insult/annoy/generate discussion/say inane things/act daft/generaly be another person and noone knows who you are and have a good time doing it....


15 Mar 04 - 11:51 AM (#1137074)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

The expression was "One robin doth not a spring make", but I had been 'cattin' around with jOhn, and he's crazier than Spaw and Little Hawk (maybe not combined), and I got the adage all screwed up.

Two swallows in summer. Twice as good.


15 Mar 04 - 12:20 PM (#1137105)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson

Guest, noddy

No shit!


15 Mar 04 - 03:39 PM (#1137315)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

In California it's "one swallow does not a summer make" because of the swallows that return each summer to the town and mission of San Juan Capistrano. There's always a few "early birds," but the mass of them arrive mostly all together.

**************************************

And GUEST,guest - leave it to you to head straight toward childish sexual humor.

As for the whistle thread, I wasn't implying that it was good or even bad advice. What I felt, and still feel, is that your comments could have made the initiator of the thread think that they were not welcome at Mudcat. To some your comments were funny, I suppose, but to me they could easily be construed as anti-whistle playing and anti-whistle players. I've been around here enough to not take things like that personally, but newcomers might not. And even though the next words in the thread were my F-off to you, I followed it up with helpful advice and a useful link. If you had done that, I wouldn't have commented, but you did not.

I assume that Max and Joe and most of the long-time Mudcatters hope this to be a place where newcommers feel welcome. If I'm wrong in this assumption, I'm sure the powers that be will let me know. But I was made for feel welcome here 5 years ago when I asked my first question and made my first comments.

Of course, as long as Max & Joe, etal, allow you to do it, you have the right to act however you wish at Mudcat.

As for going on a bit - that's what most of us are here for. Hense the concet of a discussion board.


15 Mar 04 - 11:38 PM (#1137659)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,guest

Guest, Blackcatter, you are becoming so apoplectic that you are forgetting to sign in.
I have read through your collected posts (Oh! Tedium!) on the Mudcat and am happy to note that I am not alone in being the only "guest" you have told to "F-off". If that is your idea of a "welcoming" comment then I don't know what you would consider to be a disheartening word.
On the Irish Whistle thread I subsequently offered a great deal of helpful advice on whistle tuning and even admitted that I play whistle.
On the contrary, you DO take offence at jokes and you consistently attack those who post them. On the Blonde jokes thread, (you claim to be blond) you posted a bunch of Brunette jokes in response. Your comments on gays show you to be a homophobe (although perhaps a closet case yourself?). You took strong offence at my whistle joke. How can a joke be anti-whistle any more than one can be anti-banjo. Musicians simply enjoy giving a hard time to non-musicians such as drummers, bagpipers, banjoists and whistle players. It's part of the game of life. I love them all and have played with them all, but that doesn't mean we have to give them respect. Respect has to be earned.
You come across as a pompous ass (you must be a Brit) - I can just see you mincing into those ersatz Irish pubs in Orlando with your carefully constructed little case full of whistles (with your equally padded little box of Jaw Harps (you use the term "Jews Harps" I note)) and some cleaning alcohol and a soft rag to shine and disinfect them all at the end. How fussy you are!
As for sexual humor, YOU posted one of the lewdest jokes ("How can you tell your best friend is Gay?" - I won't even give the reply!)
You try to project yourself as an intellectual but it seems you are just another stiff pretender.
I have posted on this site since before it was hosted on the Mudcat and before people like you came around and elected themselves to "police" the area.
I continue to "Lurk" and pinprick (take that as one word or two as you will) egos as long as Max and Joe will allow.


16 Mar 04 - 01:07 AM (#1137700)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,Blackcatter

Guest, Blackcatter, you are becoming so apoplectic that you are forgetting to sign in.

**    Sorry - different computer - like tonight.

I have read through your collected posts (Oh! Tedium!) on the Mudcat

**    I guess reading through 5 years worth of posts would be tedium - but guess what - I can't even do that with you since you haven't even joined up.

and am happy to note that I am not alone in being the only "guest" you have told to "F-off".

**   I tell guests to f-off when they say something inflamatory towards someone else. Also, like other members around here, I have a short fuse when it comes to guests being negative. I have been attacked numerous times at Mudcat by guests and only a few times by members. It may be unfortunate that I don't give guests much rope, but that's the way it is.

If that is your idea of a "welcoming" comment then I don't know what you would consider to be a disheartening word.

**   Once again - I don't attack those who don't say imflammatory things.

On the Irish Whistle thread I subsequently offered a great deal of helpful advice on whistle tuning and even admitted that I play whistle.

**    I read that and thanks for doing so - that's why I only told you to f-off for your initial comment.

On the contrary, you DO take offence at jokes and you consistently attack those who post them.

**   When I consider them hurtful to me or someone else. I hardly consistantly attack jokesters. I'd be making hundreds of posts a day if that were the case.

On the Blonde jokes thread, (you claim to be blond) you posted a bunch of Brunette jokes in response.

**   How is that a problem? I did so in order to say that living in a society that constantly calls blondes stupid is a pain. As a blonde I'm tired of hearing only blonde jokes. I'm also tired that most of the men on U.S. Sit-coms are idiots. When a group of people is targeted consistantly, I will often speak up.

Your comments on gays show you to be a homophobe (although perhaps a closet case yourself?).

**    Sorry - not a homophobe. In fact I have officiated at over 100 gay commitment ceremonies (handfastings) as a Pagan priest. I am also a member of the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Community Center of Orlando. I may not always say things that are politically correct. Certainly I'm not perfect, but neither is everyone who reads my comments.

You took strong offence at my whistle joke. How can a joke be anti-whistle any more than one can be anti-banjo.

**    I didn't object to your joke, just to the fact that it was the first response to a new person's honest question and you didn't bother to follow up IMMEDIATELY with the helpful advise you eventually provided. I'm sorry you have trouble seeing that.

Musicians simply enjoy giving a hard time to non-musicians such as drummers, bagpipers, banjoists and whistle players.

**    I object to you listing those as non-musician activities and I would think that many people here would agree with me.

It's part of the game of life.

**    being bullied is "part of the game of life" for some people - should I accept that too?

I love them all and have played with them all, but that doesn't mean we have to give them respect. Respect has to be earned.

**    You must be very busy to play with them all. I agree to the respect thing, but calling someone who knows only 4 chords on the guitar a musician while someone who makes his (or her) living and has a recording contract playing the bagpipes, etc. is not, has nothing to do with respect - it is an incogruity what won't get you much respect at Mudcat.

You come across as a pompous ass (you must be a Brit)

**   Well I'm sure you now have the Brits on your side! Of course if you knew how to find my profile, you'd know what I am (but once again, you're not a member, so I'll just assume you have internet access in your prison library and aren't allowed to use cookies.

I can just see you mincing into those ersatz Irish pubs in Orlando with your carefully constructed little case full of whistles

**   There's an arguement for any Irish pub outside of Ireland to be "ersatz." And once again you're true colors are visible - do you think that insulting the pubs in Orlando has anything to do with me? Do you want me to attack you by saying "Your momma!"?   My whistles I carry in a drum stick bag - Someone in China put it together carefully, not I. It's also not typically full. And I'm not sure what mincing is, but I'm 6'2" and 200lbs so I'm pretty sure I don't mince. Oh - and I don't typically bring my whistles into the pubs - few of them here have any live music. I go there to drink and eat and watch football (soccer).

(with your equally padded little box of Jaw Harps

** It's not a box and it's actually much better padded. I also carry my spoons, bones and kubings in it, along with a 1961 vintage Humanatone.

(you use the term "Jews Harps" I note))

**   As does the Jew's Harp Guild and the North American Jews Harp Music Festival. I'm only using a term that many harpists use. I am also comfortable with the name "trump" but non-players don't typically know that name.

and some cleaning alcohol and a soft rag to shine and disinfect them all at the end. How fussy you are!

**   Yes, excuse me for spending a bit of time keeping my jews harps clean and not rusty. I have about $250 invested in them and like many people at Mudcat, I like to make sure my instruments will last a lifetime.

As for sexual humor, YOU posted one of the lewdest jokes ("How can you tell your best friend is Gay?" - I won't even give the reply!)

**   I learned that joke from a gay friend. He told it in a local gay club to a large group of people - gay, straight and bi. I like the joke - it may be lewd, but are you saying it is anti-gay? To me, it's actually making light of those individuals who won't admit that they're gay or bi and pass them off as superior "straight" people who only have lapses of gay desires. it's joking about hypocracy. - And once again - I didn't object to your "joke," (though I'm afraid I didn't find it funny, but other people would, I'm sure), I objected to the fact that it was the first posting to an honest question and you didn't IMMEDIATELY follow it up with helpful advice.

You try to project yourself as an intellectual but it seems you are just another stiff pretender.

**   I don't consider myself an intellectual but I and reasonably well educated & I am the director of the Central Florida Heritage Foundation, so I guess I've fooled a whole bunch of people.

I have posted on this site since before it was hosted on the Mudcat

**   How do I know that? You might also by the Pope for all I know.

and before people like you came around and elected themselves to "police" the area.

**   If you have a right to make comments, so do I. If I was acting like the police I might have gone running to Max or Joe - but I don't see the need. Part of the reason I told you to f-off was to let the initial poster know that IF they took your comments as being insensitive, someone else did as well (and I make no assumptions that the person did).

I continue to "Lurk" and pinprick (take that as one word or two as you will) egos as long as Max and Joe will allow.

**   Feel free - this ain't my website.

*** AND BY THE WAY: "prick, stiff, hard time . . ." Sounds like you could be a "closet-case" as well. Let me know when you find that special someone, I'll be happy to officiate at the holy union!


16 Mar 04 - 04:19 AM (#1137771)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,the pope

**   I tell guests to f-off when they say something inflamatory towards someone else. Also, like other members around here, I have a short fuse when it comes to guests being negative. I have been attacked numerous times at Mudcat by guests and only a few times by members. It may be unfortunate that I don't give guests much rope, but that's the way it is.

****IT WAS A JOKE - IN NO WAY INFLAMMATORY. You have a SHORT fuse and if you brain was dynamite - it wouldn't blow your hat off!

If that is your idea of a "welcoming" comment then I don't know what you would consider to be a disheartening word.

**   Once again - I don't attack those who don't say imflammatory things.

***** YES, You attack almost all "guest" postings that YOU disagree with. I invite anyone with the time to do a clicky on your "Blackcatter" posts to see what a narrow-minded and vindictive person you are.

On the Irish Whistle thread I subsequently offered a great deal of helpful advice on whistle tuning and even admitted that I play whistle.

**    I read that and thanks for doing so - that's why I only told you to f-off for your initial comment.

****Cool. But you still said F-off before any reasonable discussion was enterd. On the contrary, you DO take offence at jokes and you consistently attack those who post them.

**   When I consider them hurtful to me or someone else. I hardly consistantly attack jokesters. I'd be making hundreds of posts a day if that were the case.

**** When you yourself post such jokes you cannot maintain the high ground.

On the Blonde jokes thread, (you claim to be blond) you posted a bunch of Brunette jokes in response.

**   How is that a problem? I did so in order to say that living in a society that constantly calls blondes stupid is a pain. As a blonde I'm tired of hearing only blonde jokes. I'm also tired that most of the men on U.S. Sit-coms are idiots. When a group of people is targeted consistantly, I will often speak up.

**** You describe yourself as a BLONDE when the masculine is BLOND.

Your comments on gays show you to be a homophobe (although perhaps a closet case yourself?).

**    Sorry - not a homophobe. In fact I have officiated at over 100 gay commitment ceremonies (handfastings) as a Pagan priest. I am also a member of the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Community Center of Orlando. I may not always say things that are politically correct. Certainly I'm not perfect, but neither is everyone who reads my comments.

**** OK Blackcatter, we are certainly getting a better idea of who you are. WHOA! You are a Pagan priest and marry gays? Cool!

You took strong offence at my whistle joke. How can a joke be anti-whistle any more than one can be anti-banjo.

**    I didn't object to your joke, just to the fact that it was the first response to a new person's honest question and you didn't bother to follow up IMMEDIATELY with the helpful advise you eventually provided. I'm sorry you have trouble seeing that.0

**** You did object to the joke because you are a whistle player. You have to get used to jokes about being a mere whisle-player.

Musicians simply enjoy giving a hard time to non-musicians such as drummers, bagpipers, banjoists and whistle players.

**    I object to you listing those as non-musician activities and I would think that many people here would agree with me.

**** You are so retentive to understand that it was also a witticism.

It's part of the game of life.

**    being bullied is "part of the game of life" for some people - should I accept that too?

**** It has nothing to do with bullying - it has to do with challenging those with whom you play music (and yourself) to do better.

I love them all and have played with them all, but that doesn't mean we have to give them respect. Respect has to be earned.

**    You must be very busy to play with them all. I agree to the respect thing, but calling someone who knows only 4 chords on the guitar a musician while someone who makes his (or her) living and has a recording contract playing the bagpipes, etc. is not, has nothing to do with respect - it is an incogruity what won't get you much respect at Mudcat.

**** I have played in Rock'n'Roll bands, Rock'n'Reel bands (with bagpiper) folk duos, folk trios, folk quartets, and solo stuff over the years and had a splendid time doing it. I play many instruments (some well, some average) including whistle and it is my experience that most whistle players have no idea of how to tune it, produce vibratto or slide on the instrument, which makes it really grinding on the ear of a real musician.   

You come across as a pompous ass (you must be a Brit)

**   Well I'm sure you now have the Brits on your side! Of course if you knew how to find my profile, you'd know what I am (but once again, you're not a member, so I'll just assume you have internet access in your prison library and aren't allowed to use cookies.

***** I certainly didn't intend to offend the Scots, Irish and Welsh in that comment! From my solitary prison cell I have enough access to know that you are Thomas Edward Cook of 1140 Audubon Pl, Olando FL, 32804-6712, Phone# (407) 841-6989 married to Deborah and your Email is blackcatter@yahoo.com or tcook@cvc.net
Isn't the internet a wonderful thing?

I can just see you mincing into those ersatz Irish pubs in Orlando with your carefully constructed little case full of whistles

**   There's an arguement for any Irish pub outside of Ireland to be "ersatz." And once again you're true colors are visible - do you think that insulting the pubs in Orlando has anything to do with me? Do you want me to attack you by saying "Your momma!"?   My whistles I carry in a drum stick bag - Someone in China put it together carefully, not I. It's also not typically full. And I'm not sure what mincing is, but I'm 6'2" and 200lbs so I'm pretty sure I don't mince. Oh - and I don't typically bring my whistles into the pubs - few of them here have any live music. I go there to drink and eat and watch football (soccer).

(with your equally padded little box of Jaw Harps

** It's not a box and it's actually much better padded. I also carry my spoons, bones and kubings in it, along with a 1961 vintage Humanatone.

**** Oh, No! Not just Jaws Harps in the very padded enclusure, but spoons and bones and kublings, Oh, My! We used to have a fellow show up to our sessions just like you! I'd bet when you show up, the local session says (under its collective breath) "Ach, here's fuckin' Thomas agin'"
(This is getting tedious - I gotta get to bed) More on Thomas next rebuttal!
But I think we are getting closer to the real Thomas in our inquiries! We may be able to out him soon.


16 Mar 04 - 04:30 AM (#1137782)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Ellenpoly

Um, blackcatter, does it serve you to let someone push your buttons? Whoever GUEST is, it seems his one sole reason for lurking around the threads is to stir up trouble. He can only do that if you take the bait.

Being new here, (reading as fast as I can)I do see that a lot of discussions degenerate into arguments because there is a gadfly in the group. I know these kinds well, having married one. He could walk into a room, say a few words, and when he left with a smirk on his face, chaos had ensued in his wake.

Please please don't play the game here. Taking the high road won't leave anyone thinking you are a wuss for doing so. Certainly not me. I can only say that it will always be an unfair playing field when one person is hiding behind their armour of intentional negativity... ..xx..e


16 Mar 04 - 12:44 PM (#1138281)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Christ, some people round here love to fight! I only joined today and already I'm terrified to say hello in case I get jumped on from a great height.

I agree with you Ellenpoly, GUEST is def. no good..."he'd put two stones to fight" is an expression we have down here for people like him. Not a nice person!

***** I certainly didn't intend to offend the Scots, Irish and Welsh in that comment!
What about the Cornish eh?


16 Mar 04 - 12:54 PM (#1138290)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

Damon:

Welcome aboard. The gadfly/trolling you observe is not built in -- it's brought in by people with nothing but trouble on their minds and no place to put it. The vast majority of Mudcatters are pretty decent and funny and warmhearted folk. It is just that the small minority who like to cause big waves make bigger clouds of noise than the normal individual does.

A


16 Mar 04 - 12:56 PM (#1138295)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

while I am on the Mudcat I cannot listen to Sorcha Dorcha. .SORCHA DORCHA will be at the HALF KING restaurant and pub, this Wends. Saint Patrick's Day on 23rd street between 10th and 11th Ave. from 7 pm to 10 ... As expected Lorcan Otway on vocals uilleann pipes flute whistle bodhran and the great Jane Kelton on flute whistle and key board, Seanin An Fear on Mandolin, Joe Charupakorn on guitar...


16 Mar 04 - 01:52 PM (#1138349)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Thanks for the welcome Amos, much appreciated!

It's reassuring that the trolls are in a minority...this really is a remarkable and fascinating site, too good to be spoilt by a few morons I think.

I was told about this site by firstly two witches, then secondly by a parish vicar, so it does seem to have a broad appeal, to say the least!


16 Mar 04 - 02:03 PM (#1138368)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Hello, Damon,

Pleasure to meet you. I'm the good lookin' guy from Alberta, and spread the word that I LIKE CATS.

brucie


16 Mar 04 - 02:20 PM (#1138383)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

Welcome to the Mudcat Damon. Thaniks for your comments. Hope you do feel welcome here.

Ellenpoly, you're right, I should probably ignore those kind of things, but they never get me upset - and I kind of like playing with them. I typically stop because I don't really want to hijack a thread, it's a shame I can't pm the girl or guy to take it private.

By the way - one more comment: The personal info above was not correct. But that's not surprising since there's at least 7 T., Tom or Thomas Cooks in the Orlando phonebook.

Here's the correct information.

Thomas Cook
Director
Central Florida Heritage Foundation
PO Box 533502
Orlando, FL 32853

We are in the process of putting up our new website this week, but check out our temporary home:

Central Florida Heritage Foundation

We accept donations which are tax deductible!


16 Mar 04 - 02:21 PM (#1138384)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,Blackcatter at work

Sorry - that was from me - I'm away from home most of this week and don't bother signing in.


16 Mar 04 - 02:32 PM (#1138393)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Alright brucie,

Pleasure to meet you too.I'm the odd-looking guy from Cornwall, and I like cats aswell... the word will spread, have no fear.

Alberta,that is a long way away! This is quite mind-blowing when I stop to think about it.

What a nice place this is!

damon


16 Mar 04 - 02:54 PM (#1138411)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,guest

I believe I have just demonstrated the dangers of not being anonymous on the internet.
Thomas started the inflammatory remarks by telling me to F-off (as he has done to several others)! If he had said that to my face in a bar, I'd have punched the big sissy on the nose.               
Hi Damon, are you a different Damon from the one who asked about the Scofield mine explosion in a post from Nov 19, 1998?
I understand that the Cornish are part of the Breton/Celtic peoples and therefore I did not intend to insult them, otherwise, if they are Brits, I did!
Hi Ellenpoly, Honey, I'm home!


16 Mar 04 - 03:01 PM (#1138419)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Hello to you too Blackcatter, and thanks, I do feel welcome!


16 Mar 04 - 03:26 PM (#1138455)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Danon,

I was just kiddin' to fool the girls. That's why I LIKE CATS and I want people to spread it around. I am very pleased to hear from you, and I think when you get used to the insanity here, you'll fit right in. Heck, you fit right in right now.

Later,

Bruce M


16 Mar 04 - 03:47 PM (#1138467)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

See you round brucie- yeah, I heard the girls like it when you're into cats too, but I dont believe it.

Hello Gg, I'm not the same person you're thinking of, and you're correct about the Cornish origins.


16 Mar 04 - 05:26 PM (#1138581)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

Guest guest: Re the whistle thread, yes I had no problem seeing the humour in your answer. It would be hard to find anyone with a modicum of intelligence thinking otherwise.

I also thought Blackcatter's response was uncalled for and rude. But so many of his responses are and have been for a few years now. I would imagine he should let the poster decide if he felt insulted by your reply. But that would deny him his moment of fury.


16 Mar 04 - 08:14 PM (#1138749)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,guest

THANK YOU GUEST!

Yeah, that Blackcatter is an idiot. It certainly explains his dementia when it comes him actually admitting that he is Pagan! And this silliness of him being "director" of some history organization. He must be lying about that.

Thank goodness that the Mudcat is populated by fine upstanding guests, and I still don't trust the Brits. Thank goodnes they're all too anal to not become members so we can watch them carefully.

Hey Blackcatter: F-off!


16 Mar 04 - 09:25 PM (#1138781)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,The Original Guest, guest

This is becoming too silly for words. Neither Guest nor the last Guest, guest was me. I only came down here to chase Blackcatter who was being an ass up on the porch. Sorry about all the noise.


17 Mar 04 - 04:42 AM (#1138957)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Ellenpoly

Ah brucie brucie I think you are missing the point about being a cat lover...I'm sure I speak for many of us ladies when I say...it's great that you love em....cats I mean...but the REAL question is...do they love you back... cats I mean...xx..e


17 Mar 04 - 10:31 AM (#1139130)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

For some reason cats really like me. It's women I have trouble dealing with.


17 Mar 04 - 11:18 AM (#1139165)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Ellenpoly

Cats are interesting critters. They will often suss out the one person in the room who really doesn't like em, and then make a beeline, or a catline if you will. With women, it's kind of the other way around, at least in my humble experience. The more we're interested, the more we hang back. So blackcatter, try looking around the edges for the ones who are licking their paws and pretending they couldn't give a hoot, they may be the shy kitty you'll be just the right catnip for! Good luck! ..xx..e


17 Mar 04 - 07:22 PM (#1139530)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

well johnny,i agree....but mostly,this place is full of liberal fags,hags and scaggs!...nuff said!


17 Mar 04 - 09:15 PM (#1139623)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

GUEST: Come back when you get your head outta your ass.


17 Mar 04 - 09:36 PM (#1139633)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Chief Chaos

Welcome Damon!

Cats are distinctly different!
Someone postulated that to tell a conservative from a liberal throw a cat in the room.
I asked around. All of my republican friends don't like cats. All of my democrat friends do. Odd thing. One of the conservatives told me it's because cats are very much their own person and they can't stand that the cat makes up its own mind. Is that a stereotype for conservatives? Come when you're called? Show us you love us with your donations? DOn't think just give us unconditional love and guard the congress and whitehouse from those heathen liberal cats?

Went to a antebellum mansion over the weekend. The tour guide says the place might be haunted. I did my best to introduce myself to the cat population that lives there.


17 Mar 04 - 10:36 PM (#1139656)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

Brucie, you got me all confused. Were you talking to me, Guest, guest or Guest, the original Guest, guest?


17 Mar 04 - 11:27 PM (#1139681)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Hello ChiefChaos, it's very true what you said about cats and people. Conservatives choose dogs almost every time, the world over.

My mate has a cat, called Sebastien, who will just sit and stare at him through a candle flame for ages, it's quite eerie.

But cats are very magical creatures..


18 Mar 04 - 02:17 AM (#1139740)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

But many liberals love dogs too. For my interpretation it's a COMPASSION thing. To really like a cat, you have to have compassion. It's important fora really good relationship with a dog, as well, though dogs have such deep conditioning that if a person feeds it and gives it a comfortable place to sleep, the dog's pretty satisfied. With those 2 things a cat may acknowledge your existence, but they won't have any real connection because they desire more than food and a bed.


18 Mar 04 - 05:55 AM (#1139820)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: jacqui.c

Hi Damon

Welcome to Mudcat. I've only been around for a few months but have developed an addiction to the site in no time flat. It's like having friends all around the world.

Mind you, it gets a bit worrying with the likes of Little Hawk and his passion for Shatner. And he looks so normal in his photo! LH - how about going for a much better Canadian - the great Donald Sutherland - that man can actually act and doesn't submit little furry animals to the indignity of sitting on his head.


18 Mar 04 - 10:39 AM (#1140021)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Chief Chaos

I like cats but don't have any. My wife came with parrots upon our marriage. It's not because she's afraid for the parrots, quite the contrary, the parrots would torment and abuse the cats.

I do have Corgies. One of them is very cat like in her mannerisms.

Jacqui: what's the matter? Don't you like Shatner's Turbo 2000 hairpiece? No animals suffered during the production of that piece.
Of course he makes us all suffer while he wares it (and I am a Shatner fan mind you). On a similar vein I thought I might start a class action lawsuit against Michael Jackson for mental cruelty for everytime he appears in public without the mask. Any takers?


18 Mar 04 - 11:21 AM (#1140053)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Not you GUEST, or you GUEST, but GUEST. Work with me on this. Do not be intentionally thick. It's very clear, and since the purpose of GUEST remerks is to be clear, when I respond to GUEST I do so in the same clear manner as GUEST. Kinda like a Cinderella scenario.

With deepest affection and warmest possible regards,

Yer fren,

Alice


18 Mar 04 - 11:26 AM (#1140056)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

odd that compassion ashould be mentioned in regard to dogs and shatner. bill reminds me of some of the more pitiful specimens of dogs at times - he has a few feeble tricks he learned in his (long past) youth that he repats hopelessly over and over in the hopes of gaining a few dregs of attention from his audience.


18 Mar 04 - 01:04 PM (#1140139)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

ouch...beam me up scotty!


18 Mar 04 - 01:27 PM (#1140160)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

I meant to say hi to jacqui.c aswell just then, so hi.

Like you say it's very addictive around here, I can't imagine there's a more diverse group of people anywhere on the web...and where else could LH et al spout on about James T Kirk without getting locked up?

It keeps the nutters off the streets at least, a bit like a virtual care in the community programme!


18 Mar 04 - 01:33 PM (#1140165)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

Damon - have you been reading the brochure for NYCFTTS? (much classier then the one for WSSOBA)


18 Mar 04 - 02:23 PM (#1140208)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

What is that? Is that, like, American or something? I'd love to read it though MMario...would I?


18 Mar 04 - 02:33 PM (#1140217)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

a bit of leg-pulling Damon - the NYCFTTS is the mudcat virtual "Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed" - and the other reference was to the "William Shatner School of Bad Acting" - both of which are featured in many threads on the forum.


18 Mar 04 - 02:44 PM (#1140226)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Ta mate, the NYCFTTS sounds like a (mental)home from (mental)home to me, I'm off to find it. It better be classy though, I can only be terminally screwed in the finest surroundings! ;)

Later


18 Mar 04 - 02:48 PM (#1140231)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: jacqui.c

Damon - it does keep the nutters off the street and sticks them in folk sessions!

I know there was no cruelty to animals in that Turbo 2000 but what about the rest of us? I'll second the Michael Jackson thing - I think his plastic surgeon needs locking up as well. Some people will do ANYTHING for money!!!!!!


19 Mar 04 - 10:48 AM (#1140958)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Hey, back off with the remarks about the Horrorable and Venereal Captain William Shatner, Icon to True Canadians and Appreciators of Excellent Drama and Stuff. If you can't see it, it isn't visible. Where the hell is Little Hawk? LH, they're showing their true colours now!


19 Mar 04 - 11:11 AM (#1140975)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

Shatner is a creampuff, a wannabe-has-been, a poster boy for bad toupees and Atkins, a loss and a failure as a human being. He has the emotional capabilities of a ringworm and the acting talents of an intestinal parasite. And his mother really does dress him funny.

A


19 Mar 04 - 11:33 AM (#1140988)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario

He has the emotional capabilities of a ringworm and the acting talents of an intestinal parasite

I didn't realize he had improved so enormously!


19 Mar 04 - 11:36 AM (#1140990)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Little Hawk: I'm makin' a list.

So far, we're the only two people not on it. Where are the Shatnerites?


19 Mar 04 - 11:49 AM (#1141005)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Ellenpoly

Hey, I declared myself a while back as being more than a little fond of William Shatner...I want to be taken off the list, right now...or I'll tell someone on you, and then someone will come close down this thread as well!..xx..e


19 Mar 04 - 02:59 PM (#1141143)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Little Hawk: I'm makin' a list. So far, Ellenpoly, you and I are the only ones not on it.


19 Mar 04 - 04:33 PM (#1141212)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: jacqui.c

Waytogo Amos - I just wish I could express myself so well. Brucie - go lie down with a cold flannel, you definitely need to cool that fevered brain.


19 Mar 04 - 05:05 PM (#1141235)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Metchosin

Amos, to add to your list you have neglected to mention, which I posted on another thread:

but a poor, pudgy William Shatner has finally taken his name to heart and is now appearing in commercials for stuff to promote regular bowel movements. Oh dear! how the mighty have fallen.


19 Mar 04 - 05:31 PM (#1141249)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: jacqui.c

Couldn't happen to a better fellow. He's finally found his true calling.


19 Mar 04 - 06:12 PM (#1141277)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,Shlio

Hi Damon, nice to meet you. I'm one of the Guests with a name, I find it helps people to keep track...

I don't understand...how have two Shatnerites managed to spread his name so far that probably EVERYONE on Mudcat knows about it?

(Wasn't shouting - can't do italicy things...)


19 Mar 04 - 06:21 PM (#1141284)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

Glad to hear he has finally a job je can measure up to...


A


19 Mar 04 - 06:26 PM (#1141287)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

Hi all,

Shilo - you can do italics by putting an 'i' within these thingies: < > So it's like this (without the spaces) < i > To "turn off" the italics just add one of these thingies / in the second set. Like this:

< i > everyone < / i >

And for the record - take me off the danged list: I am a huge fan of Shatner.


19 Mar 04 - 08:24 PM (#1141370)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Hello Shilo, nice to meet you too, sort of.

I mean sort of meet you, not sort of nice!

You ask a good question...it just shows the power of love, it radiates.

Cheers Blackcatter, I've been wondering how to do itallics, but did it work?


19 Mar 04 - 08:29 PM (#1141372)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Woooohhheeee, excellent!   Thank-you

Isn't technology a wonderfulthing?


19 Mar 04 - 08:32 PM (#1141374)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

And Blackcatter's off the list. There is a momentum building. We need the closet William Shatner fans to COME OUT.


19 Mar 04 - 08:36 PM (#1141375)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Strick

Hey, now. Star Trek IV is on TV as I type. Everyone remember where we parked the spaceship. Double dumbass to you.


19 Mar 04 - 08:38 PM (#1141377)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Damon

Nobody will judge you for it...much!


19 Mar 04 - 09:32 PM (#1141401)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Why are they giving an intravenous to Star Trek?


19 Mar 04 - 09:36 PM (#1141402)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: freda underhill

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19 Mar 04 - 10:23 PM (#1141425)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Blackcatter

Why doesn't the Enterprise have seat belts? I mean, I don't expect reality, but for god's sake - how many people have been injured on those damn ships over the seasons, merely cause they get thrown out of their seat!


20 Mar 04 - 05:45 AM (#1141536)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Ellenpoly

William Shatner on Jonathan Ross last night. I set the tape, and plan on watching it with a big bowl of popcorn right before TJ Hooker on Sunday, Channel 5...don't forget. Chances like this don't come all that often...xx..e


20 Mar 04 - 06:09 AM (#1141544)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: jacqui.c

Seat belts - I think it was a question of economics. The cardboard scenery and those wigs just bust the budget.

I'm actually a great Star Trek fan - just couldn't cope with Shatner.


20 Mar 04 - 06:40 AM (#1141554)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST,Shlio

Maybe we need all the closet anti Shatner's to come out as well...to combat the spread of the madness...

Thanks, Blackcatter

(But yet again, my name has been twisted...is there a reason why this happens on nearly every thread?)


20 Mar 04 - 08:21 AM (#1141603)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow

Without Shatner you don't get Spock either. Or Captain Picard or...

Well worth it.


20 Mar 04 - 08:24 AM (#1141606)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Amos

Shatner is a creampuff, a wannabe-has-been, a poster boy for bad toupees and Atkins, a loss and a failure as a human being. He has the emotional capabilities of a ringworm and the acting talents of an intestinal parasite. And his mother really does dress him funny.

A


20 Mar 04 - 12:02 PM (#1141733)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Amos: that is the best backhand compliment I have ever read. Your love for Shatner shines through. I'm taking your name off the list.


26 Mar 04 - 06:18 PM (#1147063)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: GUEST

According to the new research, even the most laid-back people can erupt into furious rants when debating online,....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,1178589,00.html?=rss


26 Mar 04 - 06:28 PM (#1147068)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: freda underhill

stockbrokers and finance buffs aren't interested in being friends with anybody.... they're in it for the $$$$

we catters are different


27 Mar 04 - 12:23 PM (#1147616)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: Peace

Dear Guest,

Which idiot at the Guardian thought anyone would give a shit?


27 Mar 04 - 06:03 PM (#1147835)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: freda underhill

it reminds me of the survey that said how happy Iraqis are now, since the Americans have invaded.


28 Mar 04 - 04:16 PM (#1148379)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: dianavan

I think John Donne would have loved the mudcat.

Rave on!

d


28 Mar 04 - 06:01 PM (#1148436)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: freda underhill

one of the things i don't like about mudcat, is how other events in life take good mudcat time away..


29 Mar 04 - 06:35 AM (#1148854)
Subject: RE: BS: What I don't like about Mudcat
From: jacqui.c

I agree with you Freda. I'm dreading the idea of going back to work 'cause I'll have less Mudcat time!