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13 Mar 04 - 01:46 AM (#1135357) Subject: BS: Why do people type 'f**k'? From: Ed. Everybody reading something that includes the word 'f**k' knows that the writer means 'fuck' Whether or not the word is an appropriate one to use is a different question. Why are some words more acceptable when they include asterisms? The meaning doesn't change at all. |
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13 Mar 04 - 01:56 AM (#1135358) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Stilly River Sage It's kind of like no saying "Valdemort" in Harry Potter, eh? Everyone KNOWS what you mean, but not everyone is quite willing to say it? |
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13 Mar 04 - 02:43 AM (#1135363) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: greg stephens People used to say "dear" instead of "devil". And "the friendly ones" instead of the fates, or furies or something(my ancient Greek is a bit shaky. And the membrum virile, instead of your(insert appropriate term). Euphemism is an age old custom. A bit irrational perhaps, but quite sweet and polite. |
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13 Mar 04 - 02:56 AM (#1135369) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bee-dubya-ell Well, when someone types "f**k" there's always that one in a zillion chance that they don't mean "fuck". They could mean "fink", "funk", "flak", "fork", or even "folk". Yeah, I know it's pretty fuckin' unlikely... |
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13 Mar 04 - 03:11 AM (#1135374) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Rustic Rebel FUCK- Fornication Under the Consent of the King. Ask Khandu. |
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13 Mar 04 - 03:24 AM (#1135376) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST The main reason for writing f**k is that the bulletin board you are using has installed a profanity filter. RR's definition is of course total rubbish. From Webster: Etymology: akin to Dutch fokken to breed (cattle), Swedish dialect fokka to copulate |
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13 Mar 04 - 03:24 AM (#1135377) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Mr Happy asterisms? |
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13 Mar 04 - 03:38 AM (#1135379) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Rustic Rebel Guest, what does that mean, akin to Dutch foreskin to breed? I don't get it. |
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13 Mar 04 - 04:31 AM (#1135386) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: ced2 A new-labour variation on f**k is s*****ism |
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13 Mar 04 - 04:55 AM (#1135394) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,Van Who gives a t***s |
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13 Mar 04 - 05:41 AM (#1135404) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,Jon I'd agree with the possibility of filters. In general, I also think: 1) People exist who find that sociably acceptable but would find the word itself spelled out offensive. I don't understand them but it may give reason to type the other way. 2) I think there are more than a few who like to be rude, show they can be crude, be one of the lad's etc. but not say so in explicit terms. This provides a mechanism to allow it... Jon PS one of my greatest claims to fame in my Hotpoint working days involved the F word. It was about my last day and I'd already resigned because of workloads, just seing time out... I was asked to investigate something like £1000 stock loss (big bolts - perhaps ones that held the motor) while being dragged off to organise a line trial (because material not to drawing had come in and we needed to use it). I wrote the stock off writing something like "Too busy being fucked around by line trials to investigate" on the SCN. Needless to say, I was reported, apologies were given, etc. |
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13 Mar 04 - 06:16 AM (#1135417) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: greg stephens I am interested that the Dutch and Swedes apparently invented this pleasurable activity, because those countries' reputation for a certain relaxed attitude to this sort of thing lasts to this day. |
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13 Mar 04 - 06:47 AM (#1135423) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: matai Because they think FOLK is a swearword. (;-) |
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13 Mar 04 - 08:03 AM (#1135437) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Jeri GUEST, 03:24 AM, it's the bulleten boards, but it's the ISPs of people who read, too. People using computers at work, at libraries, at schools, may be blocked from reading an entire site because of profanity. I'm not saying I think it's right, just that it is. Ed, I like 'asterism'. |
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13 Mar 04 - 08:35 AM (#1135447) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: mack/misophist The F word partakes more of rape than love making. It's derived from an Indo-European root meaning 'to pierce with a spear' and it's modern English cousins are feud, fight foe, and frigate (the warship, variety). |
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13 Mar 04 - 10:26 AM (#1135482) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos A don't know if that IE root is attested or not. Here's what the American Heritage says about it: ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, attested in pseudo-Latin fuccant, (they) fuck, deciphered from gxddbov. WORD HISTORY: The obscenity fuck is a very old word and has been considered shocking from the first, though it is seen in print much more often now than in the past. Its first known occurrence, in code because of its unacceptability, is in a poem composed in a mixture of Latin and English sometime before 1500. The poem, which satirizes the Carmelite friars of Cambridge, England, takes its title, "Flen flyys," from the first words of its opening line, "Flen, flyys, and freris," that is, "fleas, flies, and friars." The line that contains fuck reads "Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk." The Latin words "Non sunt in coeli, quia," mean "they [the friars] are not in heaven, since." The code "gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk" is easily broken by simply substituting the preceding letter in the alphabet, keeping in mind differences in the alphabet and in spelling between then and now: i was then used for both i and j; v was used for both u and v; and vv was used for w. This yields "fvccant [a fake Latin form] vvivys of heli." The whole thus reads in translation: "They are not in heaven because they fuck wives of Ely [a town near Cambridge]." Seems like msisconduct by religous groups is not very new, eh? A |
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13 Mar 04 - 10:33 AM (#1135483) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Another interesting historical essay from an on-line amateur etymologist: The earliest examples of the word otherwise are from Scottish, which suggests a Scandinavian origin, perhaps from a word akin to Norw. dial. fukka "copulate," or Swedish dial. focka "copulate, strike, push," and fock "penis." Another theory traces it to M.E. fkye, fike "move restlessly, fidget," which also meant "dally, flirt," and probably is from a general Low Ger. word, cf. M.Du. fokken, Ger. ficken "fuck," earlier "make quick movements to and fro, flick," still earlier "itch, scratch;" the vulgar sense attested from 16c. This would parallel in sense the usual M.E. slang term for "have sexual intercourse," swive, from O.E. swifan "to move lightly over, sweep" (related to swift). Chronology and phonology rule out Shipley's attempt to derive it from M.E. firk "to press hard, beat." As a noun, it dates from 1680. French foutre and Italian fottere look like the Eng. word but are unrelated, derived rather from L. futuere, which is perhaps from PIE base *bhau(t)- "knock, strike off," extended via a figurative use "from the sexual application of violent action" [Shipley; cf. the sexual slang use of bang, etc.]. Popular and Internet derivations from acronyms (and the "pluck yew" fable) are merely ingenious trifling. The O.E. word was hæman, from ham "dwelling, home," with a sense of "take home, co-habit." Fuck was outlawed in print in England (by the Obscene Publications Act, 1857) and the U.S. (by the Comstock Act, 1873). The word may have been shunned in print, but it continued in conversation, especially among soldiers during WWI. "It became so common that an effective way for the soldier to express this emotion was to omit this word. Thus if a sergeant said, 'Get your ----ing rifles!' it was understood as a matter of routine. But if he said 'Get your rifles!' there was an immediate implication of urgency and danger." [John Brophy, "Songs and Slang of the British Soldier: 1914-1918," pub. 1930] The legal barriers broke down in the 20th century, with the "Ulysses" decision (U.S., 1933) and "Lady Chatterley's Lover" (U.S., 1959; U.K., 1960). Johnson excluded the word, and fuck wasn't in a single English language dictionary from 1795 to 1965. "The Penguin Dictionary" broke the taboo in the latter year. Houghton Mifflin followed, in 1969, with "The American Heritage Dictionary," but it also published a "Clean Green" edition without the word, to assure itself access to the lucrative public high school market. The abbreviation F (or eff) probably began as euphemistic, but by 1943 it was being used as a cuss word, too. In 1948, the publishers of "The Naked and the Dead" persuaded Norman Mailer to use the euphemism fug instead. When Mailer later was introduced to Dorothy Parker, she greeted him with, "So you're the man who can't spell 'fuck' " [The quip sometimes is attributed to Tallulah Bankhead]. Hemingway used muck in "For whom the Bell Tolls," 1940. The major breakthrough in publication was James Jones' "From Here to Eternity" (1950), with 50 fucks (down from 258 in the original manuscript). Egyptian legal agreements from the 23rd Dynasty (749-21 B.C.E.) frequently include the phrase, "If you do not obey this decree, may a donkey copulate with you!" [Reinhold Aman, "Maledicta," Summer 1977]. Intensive form mother-fucker suggested from 1928; motherfucking is from 1933. Fuck-all "nothing" first recorded 1960. fuck up (v.) "to ruin, spoil, destroy" first attested c.1916. A widespread group of Slavic words (cf. Rus. blud, Pol. blad) can mean both "fornicate" and "make a mistake." Flying fuck originally meant "have sex on horseback" and is first attested c.1800 in broadside ballad "New Feats of Horsemanship." |
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13 Mar 04 - 10:36 AM (#1135487) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: greg stephens That Indo-European root seems a bit fanciful stuff, even by the normal standards of etymology(always a bit of a guess-work science). Given the very late arrival of the word(Amos says 1500) in documented form in English, I think we need some more detail to connect these various f-words up. Mack/Misophist may well be right, but let's have some more facts. |
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13 Mar 04 - 10:37 AM (#1135488) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: greg stephens Incidentally, if the first appearance of the word was in code, where and when do we find the first clear use of the word? |
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13 Mar 04 - 10:38 AM (#1135489) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace I type f##k because if I type "phoc" no one knows what I mean. ph as in phone o as in wonder c as in chic |
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13 Mar 04 - 10:48 AM (#1135493) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Argo Phuquerselvz, a banker from Edinboro. A |
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13 Mar 04 - 11:24 AM (#1135512) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Billy Weeks Amos's etymologist gives 1960 as the earliest use of 'fuck all' meaning 'nothing'. I remember it as being in common use in the 1940s and Partridge's dictionary gives it as 'late C.19-20'. The euphemistic expression 'Sweet Fanny Adam' or SFA ('sweet nothing') has been in use for decades, often by awfully respectable folk with no notion of its hidden meaning. I know that orally transmitted songs can't be used as dating evidence, but the coarser variants of 'Sam Hall', often include the words: My name it is Sam Hall And I've only got one ball, But it's better than fuck all...' This doesn't sound like a late addition to me (or subtraction, in the case of the missing ball) |
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13 Mar 04 - 11:36 AM (#1135519) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D people type it with ** because everyone's sense of what is appropriate differs. If they think it might offend, some use self censorship...others refuse to BE censored....and still others like offending. Personally, I 'limit' use to situations where it is obviously THE word that is needed..(often in a joke where the word use is crucial) see one of my favorite jokes famous bumper sticker from Paul Krassner's Realist magazine in the 60s F**K CENSORSHIP it caused constenation among the censors for awhile...it became quite a collectors item. I first saw the word in print in 1959 in a ragged copy of "Tropic of Cancer" which had to be checked out of the vault in the library of the Washington Univ. (St. Louis). It was the 1934 edition from the Obelisk Press of Paris. A few months later, "Lady Chatterly's Lover" was piled high in bookstore windows. |
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13 Mar 04 - 11:45 AM (#1135522) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Stilly River Sage A friend of mine avoids the obscenity filters in the email by typing "phucking." |
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13 Mar 04 - 11:47 AM (#1135525) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D oh yes..I thought I remembered....there was an earlier thread on the very same subject...with another on my favorite jokes. |
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13 Mar 04 - 12:05 PM (#1135540) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D oh...and I used to get big grins with a T-shirt I made that said, in big, sparkling letters. Uncontrite Modal Folker which makes good use of the language in a relevant way which only offends those who work overtime BEING offended. |
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13 Mar 04 - 12:37 PM (#1135556) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Mark Clark But then if, in the heat of anger, you invite someone to “take an aeronautical intercourse on a horizontally mobile toroid-shaped pastry,” you aren't really talking about an equine activity. It always amuses me that people won't say fuck or fucked in common speech but they will say someone was screwed, shafted or hosed, each of which carries all the same meanings. Now you often hear otherwise polite and PC folks, even children, saying that someone or something sucks. Evidently they are completely unaware of the complete expression from which this is drawn and never think about what it might be that is being sucked. - Mark |
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13 Mar 04 - 01:10 PM (#1135568) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Jeri Brucie, I'll bet you're glad it's not spelled 'f&&k'! |
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13 Mar 04 - 01:29 PM (#1135583) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace lmaorotf Good one, jeri. lol |
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13 Mar 04 - 01:47 PM (#1135591) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos We once had this ancient Aberdeen Scot as Chief Engineer who had a direct explanation for anything that was wrong -- "Ach, they wann' knoo wa's wrong with the hoigh pressure piston?? I'll tell'em wa's wroong wid it!! It's FOOKT, is what. It's jes' FOOKT!!" No one could ever get a more detailed answer out of him. But he was a damn good steam engineer! A |
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13 Mar 04 - 01:54 PM (#1135604) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: *Laura* I wouldn't bet on kids not knowing what is being sucked! :-p |
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13 Mar 04 - 05:06 PM (#1135716) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: McGrath of Harlow How about **ck for a change? |
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13 Mar 04 - 05:09 PM (#1135720) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace Duck? I don't get it. |
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13 Mar 04 - 06:09 PM (#1135778) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Little Hawk The real question is, why do people type W*ll**m Sh*tn*r? |
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13 Mar 04 - 06:37 PM (#1135793) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Ed. A google search suggests that they don't... |
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13 Mar 04 - 06:44 PM (#1135796) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace My gawd. 4.2 BILLION sites, and they never heard of W*ll**m Sh*tn*r. What's the world comin' to? |
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13 Mar 04 - 08:57 PM (#1135867) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D on the other hand they DO type this (I made a bet with myself...I won) |
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13 Mar 04 - 10:09 PM (#1135885) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: dick greenhaus re "fuck all" Certainly predates 1960---Used widely in WWII, and likely considerably earlier. "...Bless 'em All - Wellingtons Worry me, worry me Wellingtons don't worry me. Oil-chewing bastards with flaps on their wings, Buggered-up pistons and buggered-up rings, The bomb-load is so fucking small Four-fifths of five-eighths of fuck-all, There'll be such a commotion when we're over the ocean So cheer up my lads, fuck 'em all. Note: The RAF Wellington bomber (two engines, 4500 pound bomb load) was nicknamed Wimpy. It was slow, messy and fuel-hungry, but it was all the Brits had in the early stages of the war. From: Songs from the Front & Rear, Hopkins |
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14 Mar 04 - 01:10 AM (#1135944) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Rustic Rebel Good one Bill D. William Shitner on the google search and who was the one to spell it that way? None other than Little Hawk himself on the Mother of all BS. Gotta love it. |
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14 Mar 04 - 02:31 AM (#1135957) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: JennyO When the Olympics were on in Sydney in 2000, there were some anti-Olympics sentiments around because of the hype, so there was a t shirt, but not even part of the word was used on it. It just depicted a hand with one finger raised in typical "up yours" position and the words "The Olympics". |
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14 Mar 04 - 04:38 AM (#1135983) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: open mike the "word" is also found in these Acronyms... SNAFU FUBAR which i think may have originated froom military expressions.. |
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14 Mar 04 - 05:01 AM (#1135992) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: open mike why do people type G*D? |
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14 Mar 04 - 05:58 AM (#1136014) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Certain elements in the Orthodox Jewish tradition maintain that the names of God are never to be aid, or typed out, as a way of maintianing reverence or something. Go figger. It has always struck me as strange when people got revved up about words instead of realities. A |
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14 Mar 04 - 12:14 PM (#1136187) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Joe Offer Words aren't "just words." They are the most powerful symbols we have. Maybe they aren't the reality they represent - but in many ways, they are the only way we can experience many aspects of reality. If they are our experience of a reality, and they not, in many ways, the reality itself? Therefore, if we have strong feelings about the sacredness (or lack of sacredness) of a reality, isn't it appropriate to give special treatment to the words that represent that reality? I don't like euphemisms, but yet it makes me cringe to use words like fuck and cunt. They represent a cheapened, demeaning view of making love, which is something I think of as sacred. So, yeah, I think that f**k and c**t may be appropriate replacements. They're a bit too euphemistic for me, so I just avoid the words altogether most of the time. Same with the name G*d or YHWH. Many Bibles print "Yahweh" as Lord out of that view of the power of words. The concept of God has a vast and powerful meaning for many people, and it certainly is right for them to treat God's name with awe and respect if that's how they feel. -Joe Offer- |
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14 Mar 04 - 01:00 PM (#1136216) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Joe: I would argue that it is bodies, not words, which are the most powerful symbols we have. They are SO powerful that poeple commonly believe they are identical to them. This also happens with words but only in the most downtrodden of cases! :>) And I don't believe that words are the key to experiencing aspects of reality; quite the contrary, they tend to obstruct experience and substitute mental constructs. For example, consider all the shallow, self-serving interpretations people have loaded on to the word "God" contrasted with the depth and compassion that is found in the real experience. Likewise other stellar symbols like "love" and "sex", and thousands of others which provide skimpy skeltal cartoons for experiences which are rich and deep in the original. I don't like using words like fuck or cunt either, in most contexts, but mostly it is because they have been used so widely as ways of expressing foul attitudes. There is nothing inherently offputting about the morphemes or the phonemes involved. Using them sounds like an invocation of crass stupidity because of their cultural associations. A |
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14 Mar 04 - 02:57 PM (#1136284) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace There is a big difference between saying "Fuck off" with a smile on your face and a twinkle in your eye and saying it with a look of anger and disregard. Words--particularly in print--can be loaded and easily misunderstood. I don't think I would upset a friend like Little Hawk by saying, "Fuck off; you gotta be kiddin'!" when William Shatner doesn't receive a best actor award at the Oscars. The context implies a sense of 'we're on the same side regarding this egregious error by the Academy.' So, it's not the word necessarily, but it definitely IS the contextual frame in which it's set. |
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14 Mar 04 - 04:17 PM (#1136324) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: open mike oh yes, I remember that song L*VE is just a four letter word. and what about s*x? |
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14 Mar 04 - 04:28 PM (#1136328) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace Great Dylan song. I disliked Baez's rendition. |
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14 Mar 04 - 04:31 PM (#1136329) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D Amos...I gotta lean towards Joe on this one. I can't wrap my head around 'body' as a symbol, whereas words, whether written or spoken, have served as the way humans have formulated their relationship to existence ever since they have BEEN human. That's why asterisks, or the lack of them, can cause such consternation. I guess we probably differ on what it might mean to be 'identical' to our bodies, hmmm? |
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14 Mar 04 - 04:51 PM (#1136341) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace open mike: s*x is just a three letter word. |
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14 Mar 04 - 04:59 PM (#1136347) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos BillD: From the point of you of the body, your meat is what you are. From the point of view of the spiritual being driving it, the meat is like a credit card you show people to prove you are credible in a physical continuum. A lot more compelling as a symbol than mere words -- no-one ever broke down and wept because someone they loved was at a loss for words. But turn your body in for a new model, and people come weeping from all over! A |
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14 Mar 04 - 05:00 PM (#1136350) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos "point of you" should be "point of view", sorry...funny typo! |
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14 Mar 04 - 06:44 PM (#1136423) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D well, as has been noted elsewhere *wry grin*, we do differ in whether & how a 'spiritual being' might drive anything...but I just miss the point on your last sentence- I don't quite understand why "at a loss for words" is a metaphor for concern...and I don't see the referents for "turn your body in for a new model". Is this a physical or spiritual idea? Do you simply mean weeping at a funeral? |
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14 Mar 04 - 06:47 PM (#1136425) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Jeri The body as a symbol doesn't make sense to me. It's a part of who we are, not a representation. We didn't all choose our bodies and assign meaning to them. As brucie said, whether or not a word's offensive depends a lot on the context. It depends on the meaning. Picture a total stranger walking up to someone in a bar, and very aggressively asking "Wanna fuck?" Now, picture an irreverent old married guy turning to his wife of many years, wiggling his eyebrows and grinning, and asking the same question. The first is meant aggressively; the second example is intended to be playfull. If words mean the same thing no matter who says them or how they're said, there's something wrong. My guess is, that 'something' involves the hearer's ability and willingness to understand. If word choice is more important than what those words are used to express, why even bother trying to communicate? You'll piss someone off saying just about anything. |
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14 Mar 04 - 07:34 PM (#1136454) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Right on the money, Jeri!! Bill, the argument over whether the body is a more powerful symbol than words or not is really meaningless without some common context for definitions. Lose your ability to express something in words and it is a passing inconvenience. Lose your ability to express yourself through a body, and everyone cries about what a swell guy you were. But if you start from the definition of self as body, of course, they are not comparable at all. Pax vobiscum, amiici. A |
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14 Mar 04 - 07:58 PM (#1136468) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace Ouch. Hope that gets better, Amos. Painful? Jaysus, I'd hate to get that on my vobiscum. Sorry, pal. |
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14 Mar 04 - 08:00 PM (#1136471) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,Clint Keller Sometimes the asterisk makes a point, as in "F**K CENSORSHIP" and the slogan in the late sixties: "I'd Rather F*ck than F*ght." and the famous nursery rhyme Jack and Jill Went up the hill To *** * **** ** ******, Jack fell down And broke his ******, And Jill **** ******** *****. clint |
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14 Mar 04 - 08:17 PM (#1136479) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace OK, I'll ask. |
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14 Mar 04 - 10:04 PM (#1136540) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Jeri Don't ask. You're supposed to imagine what the asterisks represent, and you're subsequently accused of having a dirty mind. |
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14 Mar 04 - 10:09 PM (#1136542) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull wahts a valdermort? nobody else asked yet, so you mihgt think i;m stupif, but im not bothered.john |
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14 Mar 04 - 10:14 PM (#1136546) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace Jeri, I DO have a dirty mind, and I can't figure it out. |
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14 Mar 04 - 10:23 PM (#1136555) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bob Bolton G'day Billy Weeks, The euphemistic expression 'Sweet Fanny Adam' or SFA ('sweet nothing') has been in use for decades, often by awfully respectable folk with no notion of its hidden meaning. I'm afraid that what 'Sweet Fanny Adam' really meant was 'Sweet Fanny Adams' ... a murdered girl in the 19th century, Frances Adams ... chopped up and dumped piecemeal into a river. Her name was wryly attached, by Royal Navy sailors, to Naval Stores barrelled beef ... then to any unidentified small pieces. The modern re-interpretation of SFA comes from our modern taste for foul language. Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
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14 Mar 04 - 11:03 PM (#1136577) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull wahts a valdrmort. |
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14 Mar 04 - 11:11 PM (#1136583) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace jOhn: it's Wal-mart. |
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14 Mar 04 - 11:14 PM (#1136584) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Noreen jOhn, Lord Voldemort is the baddie in the Harry Potter stories. |
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14 Mar 04 - 11:27 PM (#1136598) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,Clint Keller A: To get a pail of water crown came tumbling after Jeri got it right. We been conditioned; anything looks dirty with an asterisk stuck in it. cl*nt |
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14 Mar 04 - 11:32 PM (#1136603) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace There's six star things there. B**c* |
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14 Mar 04 - 11:43 PM (#1136608) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Literally, "flight of death", from the French. A |
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15 Mar 04 - 12:18 AM (#1136625) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull oh. |
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15 Mar 04 - 12:19 AM (#1136627) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace To answer the thread question, IMHO, people typef**k for the same reason they typecast. Comfort level. |
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15 Mar 04 - 12:35 AM (#1136641) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,Clint Keller I got started & couldn't stop in time. It was a fuc*up. clint |
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15 Mar 04 - 12:43 AM (#1136645) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace G&t &t. |
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15 Mar 04 - 12:44 AM (#1136646) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace Talk about a f&ckup: G8t *t. |
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15 Mar 04 - 04:48 AM (#1136742) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,Hugh Jampton Because it is so much more expressive than *UC*. |
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15 Mar 04 - 04:58 AM (#1136752) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Dave Bryant When Brendan Behan wrote "Borstal Boy", it would not have been possible to spell the word properly and get the book published, so he uses alternatives like "Fugh" and "Fughing". When he was introduced to Dorothy Parker at a literary dinner, she is reputed to have said "Oh yes, you're that young Irishman who can't spell FUCK". I suppose it proved that she'd read the book. |
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15 Mar 04 - 06:45 AM (#1136798) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Jeri '******' could have been 'bucket', but it doesn't rhyme with the next verse. One could re-write it, but one would have to change the asterisk allocation throughout and probably end up with the offending w**d. Is there anyone out there who doesn't know what's coming when someone says 'There once was a girl from Nant**kett'? |
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15 Mar 04 - 09:40 AM (#1136951) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Dave Bryant Up in Hull, the probably type "F99k". |
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15 Mar 04 - 10:42 AM (#1137009) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Is there anyone out there who doesn't know what's coming when someone says 'There once was a girl from Nant**kett'? Jeri: One thing that is coming next is a proofereader's note that says, "It's Nantu**et". :>)) Love, A |
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15 Mar 04 - 01:43 PM (#1137206) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Cluin Because they don't actually mean "fuck"; they mean "bugger". That's why they use that chocolate starfish symbol. |
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15 Mar 04 - 02:39 PM (#1137265) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Hawker B******D if I Know! |
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15 Mar 04 - 03:06 PM (#1137290) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace Hawker: Bastard only has one D in it. |
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15 Mar 04 - 03:32 PM (#1137307) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace Hawker: Bastard only has one D in it. |
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15 Mar 04 - 03:53 PM (#1137330) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Brucie: Buggered has two R's in it. Buggered has two R's in it. Buggered has two R's in it. Buggered has two R's in it. A |
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15 Mar 04 - 04:09 PM (#1137346) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D ? someone stole one of those Rs and replaced it with a G, Amos and I can't pronounce "bugerered" |
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15 Mar 04 - 04:14 PM (#1137347) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos lol!! Bill, I'm sorry. It was a typo, okay? Just 'cuz I repeated it four times in a row!! Geeze!! :>))) LOL! A |
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15 Mar 04 - 04:43 PM (#1137368) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D for two bears a day, j0hn from Hull will do your typing and spelcheking for you.. ;>) |
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15 Mar 04 - 04:53 PM (#1137377) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Peace Well, I'll be b**tardeded. (It doesn't have the ring to it that I'm looking for.) And for the flithy-minded, That ain't the ring I mean! |
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16 Mar 04 - 09:45 AM (#1138071) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,Beetle When using common words, it's just so much easier to abbreviate them into something like F**k instead of typing out the whole F-i-r-e-t-r-u-c-k! |
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16 Mar 04 - 11:10 AM (#1138162) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Amos Ever since I was a little boy I wanted a bright, red, loud, powerful f**ck. With ladders. A |
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16 Mar 04 - 06:21 PM (#1138630) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Burke Anyone else here use the word FOOT for expressions of frustation when young? I know I did, then it just seemed to fall out of our vocabularies. In college I heard a very proper friend say "Oh, FOOT!" & understood what I'd said & heard as a child. I'm one who also did not understand why we could not use the motto "Flip the Bird" when we were playing a bird nicknamed team for homecoming. I thought it would be great--at least until a friend explained it to me. |
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16 Mar 04 - 11:18 PM (#1138821) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: dick greenhaus Well, it keeps the "N-word" company, or N****r if you prefer. We used to insert Latin words into common songs and verses to encourage dirty minds. Like "I wonder who's kissing her nunc." |
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17 Mar 04 - 09:27 AM (#1139090) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: s6k F**k off |
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03 Jul 04 - 08:07 PM (#1219062) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,Crdiac F**K is a government created abbreviation derrived from the 1860's-1880's Comstock prosecutions, particularly the prosecution of author D.H.Lawrence and various book sellers for distributing the book "Lady Chtterley's Lover". The extensive legal history showed Court pleadings that repeatedly abbreviated the phrase " Federally Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" with the first four capital letters of the phrase. IT WAS CREATED AS A LEGAL ABBREVIATION...HOW ELSE WOULD THE OBSCENE WORD "F**K" BE SPLASHED ALL OVER THE COMSTOCK TRANSCRIPTS AND BOXES OF RECORDS??? (Hint-it wasn't obscene yet!!!) As for the pseudo-intellectuals who want to reconstruct it with ancient Germanic, French, Scottish, and Latin phrases meaning "to move quickly", etc., that's why they're **AMATEUR** linguistic analysts.... This is a government-created good old-fashioned ABBREVIATION that came to mean, by usage, the Federally Unlawful Carnal Knowlege that it was once used to depict in the texts of the legal arguments. We abbreviate it on the internet because if we don't, the stooopid amateur linguists get filtered out, and then they can't make themselves feel important by being brilliantly stooooopid historical revisionalists... By the way--abbreviate all you want--I won't be back. You f***'in' people are stoooopid---get a life!!! |
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03 Jul 04 - 08:14 PM (#1219065) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Oaklet Blimey |
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03 Jul 04 - 08:25 PM (#1219072) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D too bad Crdiac won't be back, so we can't explain to (him) that he has been the 27,324,814th person to fall for that "unlawful carnal knowlege" tale. That has been shown to be just---plain--false. |
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03 Jul 04 - 08:35 PM (#1219074) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Jeri Yeah, Bill, but Crdiac's post IS entertaining. Nothing like an "I'm smarter than all of you insects" post that not only just repeats an urban legend, but misses the entire point of the thread to do so, for a good chuckle. |
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03 Jul 04 - 08:38 PM (#1219076) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST Hey, Bill D Re Crdiac: F##K 'im! (There, I changed the spelling.) |
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03 Jul 04 - 11:14 PM (#1219104) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: Bill D you'd FOLK a Crdiac? wow....(I notice there's silent 'u' in Crdiac....wait..maybe it's a silent 'a'..... |
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04 Jul 04 - 08:30 AM (#1219223) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,ted in his shreddies 98 |
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04 Jul 04 - 08:30 AM (#1219224) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST,ted 100. i thank you |
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04 Jul 04 - 08:43 AM (#1219230) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: beardedbruce re earlier post- SNAFU - Situation Normal All F**ked Up (Fouled Up in mixed company) FUBAR (or FUBAHR) - F**ked Up Beyond All (Hope of) Repair sometimes SNAFUBAHR was/is used Both are military terms, predating WWII. Not sure how much earlier- but I suspect the Roman Legions had an equivalent. |
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04 Jul 04 - 07:07 PM (#1219461) Subject: RE: BS: Why do people type 'F**k'? From: GUEST The Romans did. TMMOTFI (Tum ought fee.) It meant 'two more miles on the fucking iter'. |