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15 Mar 04 - 08:37 AM (#1136899) Subject: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Rembered' From: Compton Notes I have read recently suggests John Tams wrote new words to an original tune (and used in Glasgow show "The Ship")"Only Remembered"...featured on Coope, Boyes and Simpson's "Funny Old World"..Anyone know of orifginal Hymnal words??...Only Remembered is GREAT song! |
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15 Mar 04 - 09:36 AM (#1136945) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Rembered' From: masato sakurai Bill Staines' "Only Remembered" (click here for the audio clip) sounds like "The Battle Cry of Freedom." |
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15 Mar 04 - 11:11 AM (#1137034) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Rembered' From: Burke Two sets of words are already here, I don't know which you might already know. Folksongs of the Ozarks Godless Hymns Thread |
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15 Mar 04 - 11:34 AM (#1137051) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Rembered' From: masato sakurai Notes by Vance Randolph in Ozark Folksongs, rev. ed., vol. IV (p. 64): I have seen a longer version of this piece in a "shape note" hymnal called Harvest Bells (ed. by Rev. W. E. Penn, St. Louis, n.d., No. 223), thw words credited to Dr. H. Bonar and the music to W.W. Bentley. |
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15 Mar 04 - 11:50 AM (#1137069) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Rembered' From: dick greenhaus Soaring from earth like a fly in molasses Taken aloft like a slug on the wing; Seen only dimly through mists as time passes Where are the words I am trying to sing? Vaguely remembered, almost remembered Vaguely remembered from what I have sung; La la la la la la la la la la-la Vaguely remembered from what I have sung. |
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15 Mar 04 - 11:55 AM (#1137078) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Rembered' From: nutty There are two different sets of sheet music here on the Music for the Nation Site both pre 1885 Only Remembered (1) and Only Remembered (2) The first is said to be by Jno. R. Sweney and the second by Asa Hull |
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15 Mar 04 - 05:20 PM (#1137396) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Remembered' From: Barbara The second one by Asa Hull is the one that John Tams used. The tune is different, but derivative, and look at the words: Up and away like the dew of the morning, Soaring from earth to its home in the sun Thus would I pass from this earth and its toiling Only remembered for what I have done. |
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15 Mar 04 - 05:32 PM (#1137414) Subject: Lyr Add: ONLY REMEMBERED (H. Bonar & Asa Hull) From: Barbara All right. That's twice I managed to lose a post, and I'm not typing these silly words again. So I put 'em in my word processor and copied them here. Here is the rest of the hymn, and here -- Only Remembered, John Tams is a link to John Tams' words. I see we have a version of the text below in the DT, but the version below has more verses. ONLY REMEMBERED (Text: 1 Peter 11,9) Dr. H. Bonar & Asa Hull Up and away like the dew of the morning, Soaring from earth to its home in the sun Thus would I pass from this earth and its toiling Only remembered for what I have done. Only remembered, only remembered, Only remembered for what we have done, Only remembered for what we have done. Shall I be missed if another succeed me, Reaping the fields I in springtime have sown? No, for the sower may pass from his labors, Only remembered for what he has done. Only the truth that in life I have spoken, Only the seed that on earth I have sown, These shall pass onward when I am forgotten Fruits of the harvest and what I have done. Oh, when the Saviour shall make up his jewels, When the bright crowns of rejoicing are won, Then will his faithful and weary disciples All be remembered for what they have done. Blessings, Barbara |
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15 Mar 04 - 09:12 PM (#1137580) Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: ONLY REMEMBERED From: masato sakurai This is the version in Sankey et al.'s Gospel Hymns Nos.1 to 6 Complete (1894, 1895, no. 534), with an altered set of lyrics of Horatius Bonar's original and the music by Sankey: ONLY REMEMBERED 1. Fading away like the stars in the morning, Losing their light in the glorious sun Thus would we pass from this earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done. Refrain: Only remembered, only remembered, Only remembered by what we have done, Thus would we pass from this earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done. 2. Shall we be miss'd tho' by others succeeded. Reaping the fields we in springtime have sown? No, for the sowers nay pass from their labors, Only remembered by what they have done. 3. Only the truth that in life we have spoken, Only the seed that on earth we have sown; These will pass onward when we are forgotten, Fruits of the harvest and what we have done. 4. Oh, when the Saviour shall make up His Jewels, When the bright crowns of rejoicing are won, Then shall His weary and faithful disciples, All be remembered by what they have done. X:1 T:Only Remembered M:4/4 L:1/8 C:Ira D. Sankey S:Gospel Hymns Nos.1 to 6 Complete, no. 534 K:Eb B2=A3/2 B/e2B G|B2A3/2 F/ AG3|c2d3/2 d/e2B c| d2c3/2 c/B4|B2=A3/2 B/e2B G|B2A3/2 F/ AG3| c2d3/2 d/e2B A|G2F3/2 E/E4|| F2F3/2 G/ AA2z|G2G3/2 A/ BB2z|B2=A3/2 B/ cd e e| d2c3/2 c/B4|B2=A3/2 B/ e2B G|B2A3/2 F/ AG3| c2d3/2 d/ e2B A|G2F3/2 E/ E4|] |
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15 Mar 04 - 09:34 PM (#1137590) Subject: Lyr Add: ONLY REMEMBERED From: masato sakurai Subject added, and a correction. 2. Shall we be miss'd tho' by others succeeded, Reaping the fields we in springtime have sown? No, for the sowers may pass from their labors, Only remembered by what they have done. |
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15 Mar 04 - 10:01 PM (#1137609) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Remembered' From: Q (Frank Staplin) Amused by the note in The Traditional Ballad Index cufresno: "Although this song has been fairly popular with folk revival singers, it bears noting that it does not conform with the theology of any major branch of Christianity." For heretics only? |
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16 Mar 04 - 09:38 AM (#1138054) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Remembered' From: Burke I had more success with search engines after I noticed that the original has "remembered by what I have done. The I switches around to we, he, they, etc. |
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16 Mar 04 - 10:09 AM (#1138102) Subject: Lyr Add: THE EVERLASTING MEMORIAL From: Burke I found this in the Making of America Collection. The index lists "Bonar" as the author. This book, published in 1872, is roughly contemporary with the sheet music above. THE EVERLASTING MEMORIAL Up and away, like the dew of the morning, That soars from the earth to its home in the sun,— So let me steal away, gently and lovingly, Only remembered by what I have done. My name, and my place, and my tomb all forgotten. The brief race of time well and patiently run, So let me pass away, peacefully, silently, Only remembered by what I have done. Gladly away from this toil would I hasten, Up to the crown that for me has been won; Unthought of by man in rewards or in praises, — Only remembered by what I have done. Up and away, like the odors of sunset, That sweeten the twilight as darkness comes on; So be my life,—a thing felt but not noticed, And I but remembered by what I have done. Yes, like the fragrance that wanders in freshness, When the flowers that it came from are closed up and gone; So would I be to this world's weary dwellers, Only remembered by what I have done. Needs there the praise of the love-written record, The name and the epitaph graved on the stone. The things we have lived for,—let them be our story, We ourselves but remembered by what we have done. I need not be missed, if my life has been bearing (As its Summer and Autumn moved silently on) The bloom, and the fruit, and the seed of its season; I shall still be remembered by what I have done. I need not be missed, if another succeed me, To reap down those fields which in Spring I have sown; He who plowed and who sowed is not missed by the reaper, He is only remembered by what he has done. Not myself, but the truth that in life I have spoken. Not myself, but the seed that in life I have sown, Shall pass on to ages,—all about me forgotten, Save the truth I have spoken, the things I have done. So let my living be, so be my dying; So let my name lie, unblazoned, unknown; Unpraised and unmissed, I shall still be remembered; Yes,—but remembered by what I have done. Found in: The shadow of the rock, and other religious poems. [Randolph, Anson Davies Fitz] 1820-1896, compiler. New and enl. ed. New York, A. D. F. Randolph & co., [1872] p. 81-83 |
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16 Mar 04 - 12:22 PM (#1138242) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Remembered' From: Compton What a great response!!! Thanks all..and any new chums that join this thread. Just a thought, did any ever see "The Ship" live? Wasn't Phil Cunningham the MD? and a lot of the songs written by Tams and Cunningham?..I only saw in on TV! |
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23 Sep 08 - 08:57 AM (#2448069) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Remembered' From: sleepyjon This is all a bit old now, but I've just stumbled on "Only Remembered" in "Sacred Songs and Solos: Revised and Enlarged, with Standard Hymns. Twelve Hundred Pieces. Compiled under the Direction of Ira D. Sankey." Can't find any publication or printing date, but Sankey died in 1908(?). The words of "Only Remembered" are ascribed to H Bonar D.D (alt.). - I'm guessing the "alt" means someone adapted them. They are as given by masato sakurai about five posts back with a few minor differences: V1,1, "..stars of the morning" V2,3 "Yes, but the sowers must pass . . " 4, "Ever remembered . . " V3,3, "These shall pass . . The tune is also as MS gives - and in 4/4 (I prefer the "folk processed" triple time usually heard in clubs (in the UK that is)) But is the refrain after every verse "Always remembered, always remembered . . etc" or, after v3 for example, is it "Fruits of the harvest, fruits of the harvest, fruits of the harvest and what we have done"? (Some of the above would be clearer if I could work out how to do italics or underlines for the changes - sorry!) SJ |
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25 Sep 08 - 06:04 AM (#2449541) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Remembered' From: sleepyjon Correction to last post: Final question: Is the refrain after every verse always "Only remembered, only remembered . . etc" or is it the last line of the verse eg v3: "Fruits of the harvest, fruits of the harvest . . etc"? I'll nod off again now. SJ |
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25 Sep 08 - 11:10 PM (#2450529) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Original hymn to 'Only Remembered' From: Nathan in Texas It's included here in a collection of Bonar's hymns published in 1885. You can find out more about the composer here |
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28 Sep 08 - 10:21 PM (#2452478) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Only Remembered From: Jim Dixon Lyrics of THE EVERLASTING MEMORIAL, identical to those posted above by Burke, can be found in Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope [First Series]. New York: Carter, 1860. |
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29 Sep 08 - 12:09 AM (#2452521) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Only Remembered From: Phil Cooper Great song, after singing it one too many times, I started singing "merely dismembered, merely dismemebered, merely dismembered for what he has done, Merely dismembered, merely dismembered, merely dismembered and cut up for fun." Never dream of doing that on stage. |
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29 Sep 08 - 01:34 PM (#2453034) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Only Remembered From: dick greenhaus Rising from earth like a fly in molasses Flying aloft like a slug on the wing Seen only dimly through mists as time passes Where are the songs i am trying to sing? cho: Almost remembered. Almost remembered Vaguely remembered from what I have sung (pause) Da da da dada, da da da dada Almost remembered, the songs I have sung. |
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29 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM (#2453133) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Only Remembered From: Phil Cooper Good, Dick! |
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09 Mar 15 - 11:14 AM (#3692616) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Only Remembered From: GUEST,Liz Raphael I remember singing at Sunday school, about 55 years ago, a song called Always remembered. I've just woke up from an afternoon nap, and the words are going round in my head. Here's the song / hymn I want you to know that you'll always be remembered I think of you constantly all the day long Your sorrows I'm sharing with god interceding He will not forsake you although you are gone Then the chorus is Always remembered yes always remembered Remembered forever his promise tis true Always remembered yes always remembered God cannot forget and he'll not forget you I do not know what's brought this into my mind after all these years and cannot find anything about it on line. Can anyone help? |
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09 Mar 15 - 11:25 AM (#3692620) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Only Remembered From: Brian May Dick, that was mint. I love that song but I identify completely with what you've written. Thanks for the laugh. |
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12 Nov 20 - 02:53 AM (#4079318) Subject: ADD Version: Only Remembered (John Tams) From: Joe Offer Any corrections to these lyrics by John Tams? Thread #116122 Message #3676488 Posted By: Nigel Parsons 11-Nov-14 - 02:49 PM Thread Name: 'Only remembered' Midlands ITV Subject: RE: 'Only remembered' Midlands ITV
Recently revived for the stage show of War Horse, using the arrangement by John Tams: Mel Barratt did a wonderful performance of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM4KNxmpUus See the note below from Mo The Caller. I think she's right that the verse should begin with "shall we at last," reversing the first and second lines of this verse. |
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12 Nov 20 - 03:38 AM (#4079320) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: BobL I've always been puzzled by this hymn - what do they mean, "only" remembered? However else might we be remembered, but by our words and actions? |
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12 Nov 20 - 05:17 AM (#4079332) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler I have always assumed that the only remembered was as in Julius Ceasar is remembered, but nobody alive today knew him pesonally. Robin |
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12 Nov 20 - 05:39 PM (#4079402) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: rich-joy FWIW, before the John Tams variant became so popular all over, this is the version I loved and sang, from Lisa Null with Bill Shute and friends on "American Primitive" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9TPEjQ0FyQ R-J |
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12 Nov 20 - 06:37 PM (#4079410) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Bonzo3legs It was used in both The Ship and The Big Picnic performed at Harland & Wolf in Glasgow in 1990s. |
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12 Nov 20 - 07:37 PM (#4079416) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Joe G Ah The Ship was brilliant! Saw it on TV - I really wish they would repeat it! |
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13 Nov 20 - 05:08 AM (#4079436) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Bonzo3legs I may still have The Ship on a video cassette! |
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13 Nov 20 - 05:49 AM (#4079441) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Backwoodsman My friend and ex-sailing buddy, Lester Simpson,was in both The Ship and The Big Picnic, IIRC. |
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13 Nov 20 - 06:04 AM (#4079442) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Bonzo3legs And grand he was too, my wife always remembers dancing the Gay Gordons with Jimmy Logan at the end of The Ship. The Big Picnic was an incredible production, even without subtitles for the rough Glasgow accents used!! |
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13 Nov 20 - 06:21 AM (#4079445) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Bonzo3legs Those 2 productions were the only gigs that we ever flew to - on the old BA Shuttle! |
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13 Nov 20 - 09:11 AM (#4079462) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Mo the caller Joe, you posted the last verse as - Will the line hold; will it scatter and run? Shall we at last be united in glory? Only remembered for what we have done? Only remembered, only remembered, and only remembered for what we have done. Shall we at last be united in glory? Only remembered for what we have done? If I try to sing it I think it fits better with the first two lines switched.
Will the line hold; will it scatter and run? -Joe- |
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13 Nov 20 - 11:08 AM (#4079474) Subject: Lyr Add: Only remembered (John Tams) From: Melbert Joe Offer asked me to post these lyrics after hearing a recording of my rendition. I learned the song from the singing of Bob Fox, who played "the Songman" in the stage musical "Warhorse". Only Remembered (John Tams, From the singing of Bob Fox) ONLY REMEMBERED (lyrics by Horatius Bonar with music by Ira D Sankey) (as sung by Mel Barratt, with additions from Bob Fox and John Tams) Fading away like the stars in the morning, losing their light in the glorious sun. Thus shall we pass from this earth and its toiling only remembered for what we have done. Horses and men, plowshares and traces, The line on the earth and the paths of the sun. Season by season we mark natures graces only remembered for what we have done. Only remembered, only remembered only remembered for what we have done. Season by season we mark natures graces only remembered for what we have done. Only the truth that in life we have spoken, Only our deeds when our journey is run. These shall pass onwards when we are forgotten only remembered for what we have done. Where are they running? Why are they falng?l Fewer still fewer from what was begun. Ghosts in the morning mist, silently calling only remembered for what we have done. Only remembered, only remembered only remembered for what we have done. Ghosts in the morning mist, silently calling only remembered for what we have done. Who’ll sing the anthems and who’ll tell the stories? Will the line hold? Will it scatter and run? Shall we at last be united in glory only remembered for what we have done. Only remembered, only remembered only remembered for what we have done. Shall we at last be united in glory only remembered for what we have done. Mel Barratt performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM4KNxmpUus |
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13 Nov 20 - 01:03 PM (#4079493) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Only remembered (John Tams) From: Bonzo3legs Rod Paterson - Only Remembered - from The Big Picnic! |
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13 Nov 20 - 03:26 PM (#4079518) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Only remembered (John Tams) From: Jeri The initial song was a hymn, written by Horatius Bonar. ONLY REMEMBERED (lyrics by Horatius Bonar with music by Ira D Sankey) 1. Fading away like the stars of the morning, Losing their light in the glorious sun-- Thus would we pass from the earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done. Refrain: Only remembered, only remembered, Only remembered by what we have done; Thus would we pass from the earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done. 2 Shall we be miss'd though by others succeeded, Reaping the fields we in springtime have sown? No, for the sowers may pass from their labors, Only remembered by what they have done. [Refrain] 3 Only the truth that in life we have spoken, Only the seed that on earth we have sown; These shall pass onward when we are forgotten, Fruits of the harvest and what we have done. [Refrain] 4 Oh, when the Saviour shall make up His jewels, When the bright crowns of rejoicing are won, Then shall His weary and faithful disciples, All be remembered by what they have done. [Refrain] Source: Hallowed Hymns, New and Old #185 And I got it from https://hymnary.org/text/up_and_away_like_the_dew_of_the_morning |
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14 Nov 20 - 04:44 AM (#4079565) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Snuffy The first line of that verse was inadvertently put at the end of the previous one!! It should read: Who'll sing the anthem, and who'll tell the story? Will the line hold; will it scatter and run? Shall we at last be united in glory? Only remembered for what we have done? |
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14 Nov 20 - 09:35 PM (#4079661) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: The Man from UNCOOL BobL Remembered by what we are/were: character, appearance, and surely other things. |
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18 Jun 21 - 11:51 PM (#4110633) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: GUEST,Allyn Dimock Can anyone tell me when the war reference "will the line hold, will it scatter and run" came into the song. It is not in Bonar's original hymn. Was it there before Tams' version. I don't recall it being in Lisa Null's version in the '70s, nor in any online hymnal versions that I have been able to find so far. Also when did "Ever remembered" drop entirely out of the text? |
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19 Jun 21 - 01:52 AM (#4110642) Subject: ADD Version: Only Remembered From: Joe Offer It's been a delight to get to know Mel Barratt at the Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Mondays. He doesn't come every week, but I love whatever he sings. Here's what he does with "Only Remembered," including the alterations made by John Tams. Mel Barratt performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM4KNxmpUus And here's a version from Sally Rogers, who always comes up with interesting and unusual interpretations of songs (Sally says she learned the song from Lisa Null): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb376X-SV6s Coope, Boyes, and Simpson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDC2KkQkfsE |
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19 Jun 21 - 02:13 AM (#4110645) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: GUEST,henryp Is it confined to a war reference? It could equally apply to a picket line in an industrial dispute - with echoes of the UK miners strike 1984/85 and the Battle of Orgreave. It appeared on Funny Old World by Coope Boyes & Simpson, No Masters NMCD3 (CD, UK, 1993). Production: John Tams, Barry Coope with occasional interference from Jim Boyes and Lester Simpson. Only Remembered; words Horatius Bonar, John Tams, music Ira D. Sankey. Rev Dr Horatius Bonar DD (19 December 1808 – 31 July 1889), a contemporary and acquaintance of Robert Murray M'cheyne, was a Scottish churchman and poet. He is principally remembered as a prodigious hymnodist. Friends knew him as Horace Bonar. |
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19 Jun 21 - 02:54 AM (#4110650) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Joe Offer Hi, Henry - the original version was purely religious. The John Tams verse and the additional verse sung by Mel Barratt certainly give a Remembrance Day "twist" to the song, but I don't think it's limited to any particular topic. It's a song that is easily adapted. -Joe- Here's a performance of the Tams/Brough version, sung by Nicole Murray: Murray's notes:
I learned this song when my husband (and Cloudstreet's lead tenor) John Thompson played the role of Songman in the Australian production of War Horse. My choirs have enjoyed it ever since, and Remembrance Day seems like a good day to share it. |
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19 Jun 21 - 04:14 AM (#4110655) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: GUEST,henryp Agreed, Joe. It's one of the songs that War Horse is founded on. We sat in the front row at a performance of War Horse - it was more like standing in the front line! Dr. Horatius Bonar, of Edinburgh, wrote the words of this hymn, which I set to music in 1891. I sang it as a solo in the Tabernacle in London at the funeral of my friend, C. H. Spurgeon, the great London preacher. Sankey, pp. 334-5 |
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19 Jun 21 - 06:52 PM (#4110714) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: Tattie Bogle No mention so far on this thread (I think!) of the wonderful other version sung by Craig, Morgan and Robson on their album, "Peppers and Tomatoes" (2005). This version has a different set of lyrics by the late Sarah Morgan, and uses a different traditional tune. To quote what Sarah said in their songbook " I was asked to direct the choir for Taffy Thomas's show "Time and Tide" at Whitby Folk Festival, so I wrote these words to fit his theme of the enduring power of tradition." Sadly I can't find any YouTube of the trio singing this song, but those of you who do things like Spotify may be able to find it! Anyway, here, at least, are the lyrics: (and I do have a copy of the notation, though you should probably contact Carolyn Robson if you want to perform this commercially). ONLY REMEMBERED – Craig, Morgan and Robson version We’ve danced through the past to the music of history, Sung out the winter, and sung in the sun, In story and rhyme we’ve recorded life’s mystery, So we’re remembered for what we have done. Chorus: Only remembered, only remembered, Only remembered for what we have done, Only remembered, only remembered, Only remembered for what we have done. Each celebration, in the dance of creation, Binds us together and joins us as one, In songs and stories, of sorrows or glories, We’ll be remembered for what we have done. Chorus: These are the gifts for all those who will follow, Treasures passed on from the old to the young. Yesterday’s fire will light new tomorrows, (And) we’ll be remembered for what we have done. Chorus: Strike up the instruments, join in the singing, Come take your places, the dance has begun. From past to the future the echoes go ringing And so we’re remembered for what we have done. Chorus x 2 |
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22 Jun 21 - 12:06 PM (#4111012) Subject: RE: Origins: Only Remembered From: GUEST,# https://www.facebook.com/sarahmorganfoundation/videos/1087280345048466 They can be heard singing it at that link. Beautiful take of the song. |