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23 Mar 04 - 11:10 AM (#1143877) Subject: Lyr Add: WILLIE O' WINESBERRY (from R Cinnamond) From: Barb'ry I want to sing the version of Willie of Winesberry sung by Robert Cinnamond on the Songs of the People CD, 'It fell on a Day, a bonny summer day'. It's a great recording but quite muffled in places and I wondered if anyone has the missing words. The ones I have are (I think) as follows: WILLIE O' WINESBERRY (from R Cinnamond) There was a lady lived in the west and she was dressed in green And she leaned over her father's castle wall for to see the ships sail in What is wrong with you her father did say, you look so pale and wan For you must have some sure sickness or have lain with some young man Oh I have had no sure sickness but I'm in love with a young man And the only thing that breaks my heart is what keeps my darling so long Is he a lord or a squire or a duke or a man of noted fame Or is he young John from the Isle of Man that ploughs the raging main? He is neither a lord, a squire or a duke or a man of noted fame But he is young John from the Isle of Man that ploughs the raging main Then call him down the salt sea **** and bring him here to me If he's thinking to gain my daughter's hand he must leave this country Oh father dear don't be severe or be cruel unto me Oh if you send away young John Barlow? you will get no good of me Then the king he called in his merry, merry men and he called them by one two and three And instead of young John being the very first man, the very last one was he He entered the room young John Barlow and the clothing he wore was silk And his 2 blue eyes like the morning stars and his skin as white as milk Aye you think you did wonder the king he did say, my daughter's in love with thee For if I was a woman as I am a man, my bedmate you would be Will you wed my daughter he said, will you take her by the hand And you shall dine at my table and be master over all my land I will wed your daughter he said but she's no match for me For every pound that she counts down, I can count thirty three Now fill your glasses to the brim, drink a health to your country Drink a health to young John from the Isle of Man and to his lady******* Hope someone can help Thank you Barbara |
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23 Mar 04 - 04:33 PM (#1144200) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ? version of Willie o'Winesberry From: Matthew Edwards Hi Barbara. I can't think of a better version of this song to learn from so I hope to hear you singing this soon. I've been listening to the song again, and with the help of the text given in the booklet accompanying the CD these are the changes I'd make:- v2.2 For you must have some sure sickness or have lain with some young man For you must have some sore sickness or have lain with some young man v3.1 Oh I have had no sure sickness but I'm in love with a young man Oh I have had no sore sickness but I'm in love with a young man v6.1 Then call him down the salt sea **** and bring him here to me Then call him down the salt sea [strand?] and bring him here to me v8.2 And instead of young John being the very first man, the very last one was he And instead of young John being the very first man, the very last one came he v13.2 Drink a health to young John from the Isle of Man and to his lady******* Drink a health to young John from the Isle of Man and to Lady Winsbally I'm not at all sure about the conjectured [strand] in v6 - it sounds more like "column"(?) to me. Good luck with singing it anyway. Matthew |
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23 Mar 04 - 05:29 PM (#1144234) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ? version of Willie o'Winesberry From: Barb'ry Thanks Matthew - see you soon, I hope xx ps - the booklet has gone walkabout in our house! |
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23 Mar 04 - 07:00 PM (#1144319) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ? version of Willie o'Winesberry From: Susan of DT Put Child #100 in th esearch box to see 4 versions of this song. |
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28 Feb 12 - 05:23 AM (#3314433) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: Phil Edwards I was just working up Tom the Barber when I remembered this version. You're right, Matthew - if you see this! - it's a good text & an excellent tune. On the disputed word in v6, I wonder if it's Then call him down, the salt sea clown, and bring him here to me There's a similar internal rhyme in v7 - and 'clown' doesn't necessarily mean 'clown' in the modern sense; it was in use to mean 'peasant' well into the nineteenth century. |
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08 Jan 19 - 10:06 PM (#3970683) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: GUEST,Jill Greene Here are the lyrics that Robert and I revised for our recording of Willie of Winsbury: WILLIE OF WINSBURY The king has been a prisoner And a prisoner long in Spain And Willie of the Winsbury Has with the King’s daughter lain What ails you, what ails you my daughter Jane. For you look so pale and wan I fear you have some sad sickness Or else you be with child I am not sick my father dear But with child I surely be For I was grieving all those days And what had become of thee. Oh, was it with a lord or a duke Or a man of birth and fame Or was it with one of my serving men That's lately come out of Spain? It was not with a lord, nor duke Nor a man of birth and fame, But it was with Willie of Winsbury, I could bide no longer alone. And the king has called on his merry men By thirty and by three, Says, Fetch me this Willie of Winsbury, For hang-ed he shall be. But there did stand before the king A kind and courteous young man His heart was pure and full of love For Jane and their child within. And will you marry my daughter Jane, By the truth of your right hand? Oh, will you marry my daughter Jane I will make you the lord of my land. Oh yes, I will marry your daughter Jane. By the truth of my right hand Why yes, I will marry your daughter Jane But I'll not be the lord of your land For I have houses and I have land I have men at my command And were it not for your daughter fair I would not be your serving man And he's set her on a milk-white steed, And himself on a dapple grey He’s made her the lady of as much land As she can ride in a long summer's day. |
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11 Jan 19 - 03:43 PM (#3971147) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: Mrrzy I wish I could remember who does the version I knew; daughter Janet, and her father strips her naked to discover the pregnancy. Otherwise very like the above. |
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11 Jan 19 - 03:44 PM (#3971148) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: Mrrzy Pentangle! |
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11 Jan 19 - 03:55 PM (#3971150) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: GUEST,Ed Mrrzy, I assume you mean the verse: "Cast off, cast off your berry-brown gown You stand naked upon the stone That I may know you by your shape If you be a maiden or none" Amongst many others, Pentangle and Anne Briggs have done versions including that verse. |
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11 Jan 19 - 03:55 PM (#3971151) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: GUEST,Ed Sorry, didn't see your post... |
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11 Jan 19 - 11:34 PM (#3971202) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: Mrrzy Yes, indeed. And she cast off her berrybrown gown and looked pregnant. |
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12 Jan 19 - 04:25 AM (#3971214) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: David Carter (UK) And presumably this verse is in the Andy Irvine/Sweeney's Men recording, as it was from them that both Anne Briggs and Pentangle would have got this song. Andy Irvine would have got it from Child, hence the famous story about getting the wrong tune. |
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21 Apr 22 - 03:50 AM (#4139715) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: GUEST,Ruairidh Not "salt sea column". He sings "saucy clown". |
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21 Apr 22 - 06:37 AM (#4139732) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Willie o' Winesberry From: The Sandman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0zAr1t6nTE version here on concertina |