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08 Apr 04 - 04:57 AM (#1157271) Subject: Lyr Req: whaling song From: erinmaidin Looking for entire lyrics of a song that starts with "Oh, my johnny, he works upon the sea...where the waves blow wild and free..he splices the ropes and he sets the sails..while northward they go in search of the whales". Close as I can get..song is about the use of whales in the making of perfumes again..partial lyric "all you ladies who smell of wild rose...think ye of the perfume to where the man goes" |
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08 Apr 04 - 06:13 AM (#1157299) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: erinmaidin correction....the name is "donal" |
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08 Apr 04 - 07:20 AM (#1157318) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Little Robyn I think Ray Fisher used to sing it. Robyn |
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08 Apr 04 - 07:33 AM (#1157323) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: kendall Pedant alert...there are only two ropes in a ship, the bell rope and the tiller rope. All others are sheets, halyards, hawsers and assorted lines. You can always tell a sea song that was written by a lubber. |
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08 Apr 04 - 07:46 AM (#1157335) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: erinmaidin argggh....the song was written from the aspect of the woman who stayed home waiting for him to return...I guess that would constitute a "lubber"...er...pardon this but "God, lub her" |
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08 Apr 04 - 09:02 AM (#1157386) Subject: Lyr Add: MY DONAL (Owen Hand) From: Amos It's "MY DONAL" by Owen Hand, found here. Oh my Donal he works on the sea With the waves blowing wild and free He splices the rope and sets the sail Now he is awa' to the home of the whale. Oh he ne'r thinks of me far behind O' the torments that rage in my mind He's mine for only half part o' the year Then I'm left all alone with nought but a tear. Oh guid ladies who smell the wild rose Think ye for your perfume to where a man goes Think you o' the wives and bairnies so young 'Cause their man ne'r returned from hunting the Sperm. Oh my Donal he works on the sea With the waves blowing wild and free He splices the rope and sets the sail Now he is awa' to the home of the whale. |
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08 Apr 04 - 09:03 AM (#1157389) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Amos If a mudelf could terminate the hyperlink just after the word "here" I'd be grateful. Damn fat fingers. A |
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08 Apr 04 - 11:49 AM (#1157538) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: GUEST,satchel Another pedant alert: Hey kendall, what about bolt-ropes on a square sail, man-ropes on the gangway, and foot-ropes under the yards? Their are lots of ropes on a sailing vessel. One shouldn't be so quick to buy into maritime innuendo! |
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08 Apr 04 - 12:20 PM (#1157568) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: erinmaidin Dear Amos! God bless your fat fingers....thank you very much. |
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08 Apr 04 - 12:24 PM (#1157574) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Shimbo Darktree Satchel ... maritime innuendo ...oh, it is so tempting ... but no, I will NOT succumb! (Anyone got a barrel?) Shimbo |
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08 Apr 04 - 12:27 PM (#1157576) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Amos I really wanted to marry Tiemin Uendio, but her parents said she was too old. A |
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08 Apr 04 - 01:00 PM (#1157603) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Q (Frank Staplin) I will succumb. You can tell Kendall is a trendy modern Admiral of the chanty. In the 1850s, ropes were ropes. Tying, splicing and knotting rope was a common task for sailors on watch. It would be anachronistic for a Donal of the whaling days to splice 'lines;' equivalent to seamen locating their position with a GPS. |
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08 Apr 04 - 10:59 PM (#1157706) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: dick greenhaus Even aside from the aforementioned specific ropes, any cordage aboard that's coiled up in a lazarette somewhere and doesn't have an assigned function, is still "rope". |
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08 Apr 04 - 11:39 PM (#1157735) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Naemanson Pedant alert!! As for the comment about the use of whales in making perfume, I think the intent of that verse is to point out the Gawdawful stench of a whaling ship. |
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09 Apr 04 - 12:11 AM (#1157755) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Amos NAr, ambergris was and still is used in perfumery. A |
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09 Apr 04 - 12:36 AM (#1157767) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Amos Raw cordage is always rope. But lines is lines. A |
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09 Apr 04 - 11:18 AM (#1157835) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: GUEST,Ballyholme Kendall, I'm not so sure that the (late) Owen Hand was entirely a land lubber. I believe that he had, indeed, worked on whaling ships at one point. Perhaps someone with a better knowledge of Owen's background could clarify that point. Incidentally, he was also a handy boxer. |
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09 Apr 04 - 11:36 AM (#1157854) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: kendall I spent much of my adult life at sea. I stand by what I said. |
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09 Apr 04 - 02:22 PM (#1158000) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Anglo That's why they invented the word "curmudgeon," Kendall. :-) |
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09 Apr 04 - 03:31 PM (#1158069) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Amos I'd rather go to sea with Kendall being a curmudgeon than a dozen nice-pants rope-twisters any day! A |
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09 Apr 04 - 06:10 PM (#1158238) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Naemanson My own personal belief is that in the later days of sail nobody carried on the distinction between rope and lines. In my mind's eye I can see some tired sailor yelling to someone else for them to "Gimmee that rope there, the main stays'l halyard, damnit!" |
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12 Apr 04 - 07:53 AM (#1159753) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: MartinRyan Donald? ... sjeeing as we're knit-picking... Regards |
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13 Apr 04 - 04:16 AM (#1160523) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song From: Wilfried Schaum Owen Hand sailed on whaling and merchant ships as we can learn from his short biography (link in Amos' post. So I think he knows what he writes about. In German we have a distinction between Leine = line and Tau = rope, depending on thickness and way of production. You may hang your wash on a (Siegfried)line, but for hanging a rope should be used - it is stronger. |
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13 Apr 04 - 08:36 AM (#1160665) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song (My Donal) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Been reading through "Man-of-War," about a sailor's life aboard the USS Columbus in 1845-1848 (its voyage around the world). Mostly ropes talked about. Nordhoff discusses the make-up of a sail, and a special kind of rope, made of minutely stranded yarn (for strength), called 'bolt-rope.' "The perfect soundness and stability of the rope being of great importance to the sail." They lost a nearly new foresail because the 'foot rope' proved defective. "The rope and clews" were all that remained of the sail portion exposed to the fury of the gale. He speaks of the immense yard ropes, reminding me of Wilfried's 'Tau.' Dana's Dictionary of 1851 defines rigging as the "general term for all the ropes of a vessel." 'Running rigging' is defined as "the ropes that reeve through blocks." "The standing part of a rope is that part which is fast..." 'Clewline' was used at the time: "the rope that hauls up the clew of a square sail." A clew-garnet is defined as "the rope which hauls up the clew of a foresail or mainsail in a square-rigged vessel." At other times 'rope' is used with regard to the clews; The current 'mandatory' use of the term 'lines' may have started with this. |
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13 Apr 04 - 09:27 AM (#1160709) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song (My Donal) From: erinmaidin I'm wondering if perhaps I should start doing a song about rigging instead of poor Donal?? |
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13 Apr 04 - 01:07 PM (#1160980) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: whaling song (My Donal) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Donal who? When does digression turn into transgression? Sorry! |