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20 Apr 04 - 04:29 AM (#1165827) Subject: BS: To join or not to join? From: Shanghaiceltic So Tony has said there will be a referendum on both the Euro and The European Constitution. As people with a vote in the UK how would you decide? For myself a sound no to both. No to the Euro as it hands what is a good strong and reasonably stable currency over to a central bank that will then tell our own Bank of England how to run the economy, as well as increase taxes in the UK (VAT would be levied on many things it is not on at the moment). I believe there are at least 5 countries which are breaching or ready to breach the Euro-zone measures. They should have been fined but instead have cocked a snoot at the ECB. No on the European Constitution; Again I cannot see the point of it. Our law is old and well established. It is already being overturned by the European Courts so there is no need for a further check there. Again we will be handing power over to a group of people who provide minimum represenation to our country. I am however in favour of open borders and open trade. But a charter is not needed to tell us how to do that. No matter how wrong headed our UK Government can be (of whatever colour) I see no point in having a European Parliament in telling us what to do. Now I must go and find my Union Flag boxer shorts and socks! |
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20 Apr 04 - 05:58 AM (#1165888) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Teribus Fully agree with you - Resounding NO to both. |
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20 Apr 04 - 06:02 AM (#1165892) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: el ted Ditto! I will vote no. |
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20 Apr 04 - 06:11 AM (#1165903) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: s6k Hell no |
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20 Apr 04 - 08:07 AM (#1165973) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Hawker Both resounding NOs from the both of us! ;0) |
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20 Apr 04 - 08:22 AM (#1165990) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Tracey Dragonsfriend NO again... |
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20 Apr 04 - 08:23 AM (#1165992) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: McGrath of Harlow The main reason for voting No would be the people who want us to vote Yes; and vice versa. Now if Tony Blair would promise that he would retire to spend more time with his family if he wins, that would make it a lot easier. |
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20 Apr 04 - 08:43 AM (#1166019) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: GUEST,Tony "Yes" - you all need to move with the times. |
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20 Apr 04 - 08:59 AM (#1166031) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Rapparee I don't think I'll vote in this one. |
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20 Apr 04 - 11:38 AM (#1166195) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Flash Company Q for a song- How could you believe me when I said 'Referendum' When you know I've been a liar all my life? FC |
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20 Apr 04 - 11:44 AM (#1166199) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: McGrath of Harlow Times don't move. |
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20 Apr 04 - 11:53 AM (#1166209) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Teribus How could you believe me when I said 'Referendum' When you know I've been a liar all my life? The "slings and arrows" bit I've done I only seem to lose This pois'n'd chalice I'll pass on and ask you lot to choose |
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20 Apr 04 - 06:27 PM (#1166556) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: McGrath of Harlow So now you agree he was lying about Iraq, Teribus? |
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21 Apr 04 - 04:44 AM (#1166887) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Teribus Not in the least McGrath, Iraq is probably one of the few things that he has not lied about. In general I view all politicians and journalists as pathological liars/dissemblers - as none approach any situation with an open mind, the politician has his/her party's policies to defend, the journalist already has his/her slant or angle on the story fixed. |
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21 Apr 04 - 05:58 AM (#1166929) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: McGrath of Harlow "the politician has his/her party's policies to defend, the journalist already has his/her slant or angle on the story fixed." I don't think that's a mind set limited to politicians or journalists. People who can avoid falling into it are pretty rare birds, it seems to me. The important thing isn't to avoid making a judgement about what is the truth about a situation, it is to remain willing to modify that judgement in the face of new evidence. "The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." (Chesterton) |
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21 Apr 04 - 09:02 AM (#1167046) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: C-flat My instinct is to say "NO", but I'm not sure how much of that is based on my dislike for those who seem to have be forcing this transition on us, or how much is based on my fear of not fully understanding the implications. Most of the people I know are in the same position. I've yet to hear an argument that isn't based on extremes and they are all so contradictory it's hard to weigh it up objectively. The promise of a referendum will no doubt spark a new assault in the media and I will strain to try and find a voice of reason amid it all before casting my vote. |
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21 Apr 04 - 09:39 AM (#1167086) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: HuwG Yes (or at least, not an emphatic No) to the Constitution, Maybe / Don't Know to Euro. [Looking at the answers above, I may have just got myself banned sine die from a number of Sessions I have yet to attend, but let's go down fighting.] I see little instrinsically wrong in the Constitution. The Euro could do with a few more (enforceable) guarantees regarding interest rates and debt management, but it doesn't seem to have reduced the Irish Republic to a dependent banana state. |
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21 Apr 04 - 03:05 PM (#1167130) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: McGrath of Harlow If Blair promises to go if the vote is Yes, and promises to stay on if the vote is No, that would do an enormous amount to get people to vote Yes. And vice versa. |
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21 Apr 04 - 03:25 PM (#1167158) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Gareth Well as we don't know the question yet I submit that a decision eitherway might be a little stupid. I will enjoy sitting back and watching the Conservatives, and the little Englanders tearing them selves to peices tho !! (sniggger sniggger) Gareth |
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21 Apr 04 - 03:44 PM (#1167181) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: greg stephens Well I remember voting for Europe in the last referendum(back in the 70's).Thirty something years later, people are still driving into France and Belgium for cheap vino and fags. I imagined(and I'm sure a lot of other people did) that we were voting to remove those ludicrous duty differences and other barriers to trade. I expect I shall vote for Europe in the new one too, in the same generally uninformed European sort of way. Whether politicians will deliver what I would like to see is another question. What clinches it for me is earning euros in Ireland and having to pay a commission to some official money-launderer to get stirling to buy things in Britain. Roll on Europe I say. No more money-changing, no more white vans full of aGolden Virginia. Not that it will make Britain part of Europe, or make us eat frogs or anything. Whatever we decide, the fact is that they are foreign and we are not. And a piece of water has been placed between us to remind us of this fact. |
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21 Apr 04 - 03:51 PM (#1167187) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Arnie It's got to be a resounding NO!!! to both the Euro and a European constitution. Why should we be run by a bunch of Eurocrats sitting in Brussels (and occasionally in Strasbourg to keep the French happy) and dictating even more of our way of life. Don't give the buggers any credibility by actually voting for them!! |
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21 Apr 04 - 08:55 PM (#1167440) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Non of them forigners voted for us in the last Eurovision Song contest, so why should we use there stupid foreeign money then? english people should use english money, Euros are a big rip off. |
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21 Apr 04 - 09:44 PM (#1167464) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Shanghaiceltic Just read that even if there is a 'No' vote B'Liar will not accept it and have another referendum. So much for the voice of the people and his listening to the people. What a bloody little oil tanker (seagull rhyming slang) |
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22 Apr 04 - 06:43 AM (#1167745) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: McGrath of Harlow So if there's a "No" vote he's promising to stay on? That's good news - now if he'll only promise to go, if there's a Yes vote, it should be home and dry. |
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22 Apr 04 - 08:28 AM (#1167839) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: GUEST Oops - thought this was another guest or member thread. |
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22 Apr 04 - 10:33 AM (#1167960) Subject: RE: BS: To join or not to join? From: Flash Company EUROPEAN REFERENDUM Please tick in the printed box to indicate your wishes The UK government should accept the EU constitution YES [ ] NO Please note, any tick not in a printed box renders this Ballot Paper invalid. Easy money! FC |