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27 Apr 04 - 04:56 PM (#1172652) Subject: Ofsted into Folk From: Les in Chorlton Just something I picked up from the Education Guardian or was it the TES? New government initiatives related to quality of artistic performance in community activities, use of lottery money and PELs could result in Ofsted Inspections of Folk related activities. Good thing or a bad thing? |
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27 Apr 04 - 05:02 PM (#1172657) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: John MacKenzie OffFolk? John |
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27 Apr 04 - 05:06 PM (#1172660) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,Peter from Essex He who pays the piper etc.... |
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27 Apr 04 - 05:09 PM (#1172663) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Ned Ludd Does that mean we'll have to sing better when the inspectors come in? |
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27 Apr 04 - 05:17 PM (#1172672) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,Peter from Essex If you are going to be inspected Ned it means that you have already taken the government shilling. Those of us who pay taxes expect some value in return. |
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27 Apr 04 - 05:41 PM (#1172687) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST OffFolk? FolkOff! |
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27 Apr 04 - 07:01 PM (#1172743) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener More beaurocracy. When will it ever end. Stifling the life out of everything. |
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27 Apr 04 - 07:01 PM (#1172746) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Gareth No - regretably I fear that it will mean that all folk activities will have to be "politically correct". Gareth |
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27 Apr 04 - 07:07 PM (#1172755) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener Beaurocracy. More jobs for the boys from idiots who woudn't know there arse from their face. All this sort of thing is stifling talent and turning everybody into form filling paper wasting idiots. Why can't life just get back to simplicity. People don't have time to show their skills anymore becuase they are filling in stupid forms that seem to satisfy some plonker who sits in an ivory tower picking their nose and thinking up the next idiotic thing to upset everybody. If they try that at my club they will get a kick straight up the arse and shown the door. oops thees beaurocrats don't like you having a go at them. :-) |
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27 Apr 04 - 08:39 PM (#1172818) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: George Papavgeris Folk? Politically correct? I'd laugh if it wasn't tragic. So, all the alternative content of folk will be criticiesd? Let'em come. |
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27 Apr 04 - 08:41 PM (#1172820) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: George Papavgeris Let's see: We are happy to have cowboy builders scaring the shit out of old people; that doesn't need inspecting/monitoring. But folk does? Puleease! |
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27 Apr 04 - 09:02 PM (#1172835) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: PennyBlack "There's only one F in Ofsted" song to the tune of Guantanamera??? must be traditional though ;-) PB |
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27 Apr 04 - 09:19 PM (#1172847) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: McGrath of Harlow I kind of suspect that this story has got a bit spun. Not much point in getting all aerated without rather more infornation about it than we've been given so far. |
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28 Apr 04 - 03:59 AM (#1172974) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener I agree, but its nice to get your thoughts off your chest :-) |
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28 Apr 04 - 04:21 AM (#1172999) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,EtV@work Should it ever happen (which I doubt) you'll need planning, scheme of songs, timings, and all the other crap that goes with an F'oftsted inspection. Sod that-I'm going to play heavy metal from now on! Looooow lie lie lie lie the fields of Athenry, yeah, yeah, yeah. |
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28 Apr 04 - 06:35 AM (#1173073) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener Can you imagine that. Somebody turns up at the club and asks if he can sing. Club Organiser "Have you got your Song Plan with lyrics of each song, who wrote them, timings etc" Artist "No M8, but I can get some toilet paper and scribble it on there" CO "Ok can you fill this 22 page form required by the European Funding Commission, to justify the money we pay you, becuase we are funded by them and they have millions of people all waiting to input your information into the database" A "OK M8, but can you help me fill it in, becuase I am dyslexic. If you read out the questions and I will answer them, and you fill the answers in" CO "I can read the questions out for you, but I am not allowed to write the answers, you have to do that" A "OK" CO "Name, Address, Telephone number, Age" Pause whilst A fills the answers in. CO "Sex" A "Have we got time?" CO "No I mean are you Male or Female?" A "Well surely you can tell that can't you" CO "yes, you are female and you need to put that on the form" A "Oh OK" CO "Are you British, white, black" A "No" CO "Are you Irish" A "No" CO "Are you Indian" And so on and so forth CO "Do you have any disabilties" A "Blimey its already 11:00 pm, sorry but I have to go and catch the last train, maybe I can come back next time" God help us. |
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28 Apr 04 - 06:59 PM (#1173572) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Eric the Viking I also suppose that they'll travel around the countryside staying in 1st class hotels, then visiting pubs etc where the venue is, having already asked for all the different bits of information to be sent out in advance. Can you imagine how they might manage a floor singers night or a session when there is no strict running order and nobody knows who is going to turn up for certain? Bang goes your funding mate for not sticking to the planning! |
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29 Apr 04 - 12:54 AM (#1173777) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener The other problem is that they may enjoy it too much, and keep on coming back!!!!!!!! |
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29 Apr 04 - 01:43 AM (#1173791) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Red and White Rabbit under the new framework if the folk club is satisfactory in all areas it will fail - they are no longer looking at your teaching ability but the effect you are having on how the other mere mortals are learning - no a- level choruses please!! |
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29 Apr 04 - 01:54 AM (#1173793) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener The old problem "Are they learning" Well I am not a musician and am not learning. I am listening. Maybe I could learn to listen better, that way I must be learning Am I learning to say no when somebody asks me if i want to sing. Of course I don't bloody want to sing. My voice is crap and I would not let other people suffer just becuase of my own ego. If I want to learn to sing, I will go and get lessons. If and when I am good enough, I might then, having practiced my 2 songs, go and plant my arse on the chair in a folk club, where they are good at listening to crap. :-) |
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29 Apr 04 - 03:43 AM (#1173822) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Splott Man Don't forget you'll have to fill in a risk assessment form predicting the possible damage each song can do to the audience and the steps take to avoid said damage. If you play an instrument you'll need to go on a manual handling course. If you do a murder ballad, you'll probably have to go on an anger management course afterwards. Splott Man (Founder of OffKey) |
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29 Apr 04 - 03:51 AM (#1173824) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: el ted Whenever this touchy feely Government puts money into anything, an army of clerks is raised up to "regulate" it. Don't laugh, it will happen. Risk assessments will follow. |
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29 Apr 04 - 03:56 AM (#1173830) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener But hey lets think about it. Its a good way to keep the unemployment low. How come we care so much about ofsted's etc, and then go and kill thousands of innocent people as we have in Iraq. Maybe we should send everybody involved in ofsted to Iraq. Hopefully they won't come back. :-) |
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29 Apr 04 - 05:03 AM (#1173868) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Ian Im sure that the results of the inspections could form part of the annual folk awards which would require at least one rep from each site to attend. Fully funded by the government as effective feedback is a requirement of any inspection. |
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29 Apr 04 - 05:08 AM (#1173873) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener Do you think that this is a ploy by Breezy and El Greko. Are they the Ofsted Officers? |
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29 Apr 04 - 05:31 AM (#1173879) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Schantieman Presumably 'beaurocracy' is government by the handsome? ;-) S |
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29 Apr 04 - 06:53 AM (#1173915) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Pied Piper What's the difference between an OFSTED inspector and a plastic Surgeon? The Surgeon tucks features. PP |
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29 Apr 04 - 07:34 AM (#1173945) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener LOL |
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29 Apr 04 - 07:46 AM (#1173951) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,Sooz(at work) Pied Piper's comments notwithstanding - I feel a career change coming on. Where do I apply? |
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29 Apr 04 - 08:07 AM (#1173968) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Leadfingers Hey Splott Man - Where do I apply to join Off Key ?? |
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29 Apr 04 - 08:31 AM (#1173988) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Sttaw Legend El Ted are you any relation to Ofs Ted ? |
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29 Apr 04 - 08:57 AM (#1174006) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,Sooz(at work) Must be his brother.....or a late arrival. |
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29 Apr 04 - 10:19 AM (#1174056) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,Kathy They use one of our CD's in music lessons at my school as examples of Folk already. We've just been 'done' and found that the music was very good but if you want to be found very good and have your hair fall out, lose half a stone in four days, not sleep, spend hours comforting colleagues that are in tears because of the callousness of the whole thing.....then let Ofsted into folk music but I won't be there! |
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29 Apr 04 - 10:35 AM (#1174059) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,Parent In most walks of life people experience on-going assessments within their job. Why should teachers be any different?, assessments are new to them so they need to get used to them. Our children are taught by teachers and we need to be assured it is done correctly, and to a certain high standard. How many of us have bad experiences from school in the past. |
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29 Apr 04 - 11:02 AM (#1174072) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,Sooz (at work Ofsted report on schools, not on individual teachers. Inspections are not new and the stress comes form being part of a team and not letting the side down. Teachers are incredibly loyal! The profession has other ways of assessing individuals and this process is ongoing whereas Ofsted inspections can be years apart. |
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29 Apr 04 - 11:09 AM (#1174073) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener How you doing Sooz. Do you want to play live on the BBC Bus next week? You may get a call from Rachel who works on the BBC Bus. They are in Market Rasen all next week. |
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29 Apr 04 - 11:10 AM (#1174074) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener No Ofsted officers there!!!!!!! |
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29 Apr 04 - 12:54 PM (#1174162) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: el ted Teachers......... easy life! |
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29 Apr 04 - 12:59 PM (#1174173) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener he he that might get Mrs sooz going |
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12 May 04 - 12:56 PM (#1183958) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Les in Chorlton Will the Folk of the West Riding confirm or deny a rumour that 2 folk clubs have been found to have serious weaknesses and a morris side has been deemed in need of special measures? |
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12 May 04 - 02:58 PM (#1184052) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: breezy El Greko and I are making notes right now Will I be offered early retirement again? Clubs failing folk better watch out. Who wrote and sang the line 'Never take advice when it comes for free' So thats it for the open sessions then |
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12 May 04 - 03:00 PM (#1184055) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: breezy cant be any worse than Joe Stead nothing is worse than Joe Stead only Joe Stead What became of Stan Arnold? |
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12 May 04 - 03:01 PM (#1184056) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Sooz Jez Lowe - I claim early retirement immediately! |
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12 May 04 - 03:51 PM (#1184107) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Les in Chorlton If you check the Ofsted noticeboard you will find a number of post asking for Ofsted to take a look at Mike Harding's Folk prog. Now, I have no issue with Mike's prog but I know a lot of others do. I think people in the folk community should be careful about encouraging the evil people of Ofsted. |
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13 May 04 - 04:13 PM (#1185029) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Sweetfia When we had Ofsted at school it was rather amusing, because all the crap teachers would draw up 'lesson plans' and write the lesson's 'objectives' on the board when normally the teacher didn't give a shit about us...of course, the class was always on their "best" behaviour...ha! However, for decent teachers like my mum(i'm saying this as a comparision to tecahers at my old high school, not to anyone who's a tecaher on here) Ofsted can be very stressful. So shut up dad (El Ted) you don't know what your on about! Ofsted should stay clear of Folk, it would only be a nuisance. |
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14 May 04 - 10:40 AM (#1185690) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: el ted Three months holidays.......... only "work" 9am to 3.30pm........ overpaid............ easy life! |
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14 May 04 - 10:58 AM (#1185700) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: muppett Oh no not here as well, just spent best part of the day trying to set up a meeting with these buggers, so the community centre I work in can put the right procedures in place so they can run a creche and now they want monitor my leisure time ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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14 May 04 - 11:05 AM (#1185705) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Dave Bryant What happens if I fail the tests ? - do I have to stop singing folk songs - or do I have to see "miss" when school's over. |
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15 May 04 - 02:03 PM (#1186295) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Cobble What about health and safety, do we sing in a high visability vest and wear a hard hat?? Can we be sued for damaging somebodys ears, that only listens to electronic CRAP??? The mind boggles Cobble. |
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15 May 04 - 02:53 PM (#1186329) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: GUEST,Trish Wrote this one 2 years ago (post-OFSTED), usual thanks and apologies for "borrowing tunes/lyrics etc. No one who isn't a teacher has any idea of what being OFSTED'd is like, it isn't just that they "move the goalposts", they change the bloody game as well! Teacher's Life Teacher's life is like a miner's, or a prisoner doing time Every day you're at the chalkface in front of horrible year 9 Watch your back they're little horrors, up to mischief without fail Keep one eye what they're doing, and you'll live to tell the tale Union teachers stick together, do not heed what OFSTED say Keep one eye on what they're doing, and live to teach another day Now it's break and year 10's looming, raging hormones, chocolate high There is nothing you can teach them, yet every day you must try So grit your teeth and go in smiling, you know you must not fail To keep one eye what they're doing, then you'll live to tell the tale Union teachers stick together, do not heed what OFSTED say Keep one eye on what they're doing, and live to teach another day After lunch it's year 11, just 3 weeks 'til study leave Count the hours 'til their going, and that great big sigh we all heave 2 year's work in just 6 lessons. The exam they must not fail So keep one eye what they're doing, then you'll live to tell the tale Union teachers stick together, do not heed what OFSTED say Keep one eye on what they're doing, and live to teach another day In conclusion, just remember, keep this thought in your mind That you hold within your power the future of mankind For what you do in the classroom, forever will prevail And if you help just one child, then you know you did not fail Union teachers stick together, do not heed what OFSTED say Keep one eye on what they're doing, and live to teach another day |
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15 May 04 - 04:02 PM (#1186365) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Rasener So it all comes down to stupid arseholes trying to stop gifted and talented people getting on with what they are good at. Me thinks they might even be jealouus of anybody gifted to teach, so they knock them down. They want them to fill stupid forms in so that they don't have enough time to pass on to people their skills. Lets face it all ofsted personel and anybody that supports them are just a load of stupid aresholes who don't like to see gifted people do what they are good at. That is the reason why this country is going down the nick. Get rid of Ofsted and then we can all spend our time more productively. Just look at Learn Direct. The biggest con job in the world. All you need is an administrator, who is then classified as a tutor, but knows FA about teaching. I know I have done it (I am qualified with many years of teaching in Commerce). The idea is to get forms filled in and con people into thinking they are doing well. No teaching skill involved whatsoever. Its all about getting the grants. Not about training people with teacher lead concept. No coursebooks and when it comes to the crunch, these administrators know FA about the subject that needs to be taught. That is why the courses are so cheap. In the past I have had to pick up the pieces on the damage done by these learn direct centres. They take 4 months to let people learn what is possible in a day. I will let you know if Learn Direct try to shut me up. He He |
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09 Jun 04 - 12:27 PM (#1203669) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Pete_Standing Does anyone know of an online link to the TES/Guardian article mentioned at the head of this thread? |
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09 Jun 04 - 07:05 PM (#1203955) Subject: RE: Ofsted into Folk From: Dug The Ofsted Song by Doug Jenner (Tune-Walzing Matilda) I'm just a humble teacher I am not an evil creature And I think my work is adequate as far as I can tell Yet I've been tested and inspected, examined and dissected And it's been the stuff of nightmares and it's been the week from hell Chorus: So goodbye to Ofsted, they can bugger ofsted there's been quite enough said about our little school for they've watched and they've noted and they've postures and they've quoted and about the place they've floated in a manner harsh ahd cruel Like everyone I see now I'm as knackered as can be and I have taken all my lesson plans and shoved them in the bin, and I'd run in the elections for to ban ofsted inspections but I'm secretly afraid that it's a fight we'll never win (Chorus) (I wrote another verse but I can't remember it- I'll have to look for it...) |