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17 May 04 - 07:47 AM (#1187147) Subject: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: pavane The Young Tradition recorded a song (Fragment?) called The rolling of the stone (on Galleries, I think). I was looking for some information on the origins, but I can't find the song in a search here. I remember the following, and can post the rest tomorrow (Can't remember the first verse, about the rolling of the stone) 2: Will you drink of the blood The white wine and the red Or will you go and see pretty Susie When that I am dead 3: Susie charms the birds from the skies The fish from out of the sea, And there she lay in her true loves arms And there was content to be |
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17 May 04 - 08:25 AM (#1187160) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: A Wandering Minstrel As in Will ye gae tae the rollin of the stanes The playing at the ba' or will ye gang to see pretty susie dance amang them a'? I suspect itrefers either to a curling match or some scots strongest man type competition where very large sones are turned over. (see also throwing of the tree) |
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17 May 04 - 08:29 AM (#1187161) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: JudyB Bok, Muir and Trickett recorded a version of this on Folk Legacy CD 1004, Vol II, The First 15 Years. Ed's notes say that it's a version of Child ballad #49 learned from Helen Schneyer. Joe Hickerson reports that some scholars haveinterpreted the ballad as describing an incestuous relationship between Susie and her brother. "Regardless, it's a chilling song of mystery, magic and love." Charley Noble |
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17 May 04 - 02:46 PM (#1187366) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Malcolm Douglas "Wandering Minstrel"'s stanza has had its spelling altered to make it appear Scottish, but it isn't. The form of the song "Pavane" asks about is American, as are almost all the examples with tunes in Bronson (a few from Scotland, recorded by the School of Scottish Studies in the 1950s/1960s, appear in the appendix). The song has been discussed here before; there is no need to post either the verses that the Young Tradition got from Oscar Brand (I don't know where he found them) or the longer set; I have already posted text and tune as noted from tradition, and what appears to be an edited and/or collated set is in the DT. See Two Brothers (Rolling of the Stones), where I gave some specifics (and a couple of guesses). The line in this particular variant that people have taken to imply an incestuous subtext appears to be a modern interpolation; it is clear that Susie or Susanne, when she appears, is not the sister but the "truelove" of the dead brother. There may be other factors in other variants which might perhaps imply something of the sort (there's at least one recent study that I haven't read so far), though for what it's worth, I am not yet convinced. |
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18 May 04 - 08:37 AM (#1187603) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: pavane Thanks. I didn't find it when I did a search (wonder why?) |
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19 May 04 - 12:35 AM (#1188215) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: LadyJean It was on a record by Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie that my sister used to own. As I remember, Brand said it was about Lady Mondegreen who was killed with the Earl of Moray. OH Well, mondegreens happen. |
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19 May 04 - 01:24 AM (#1188232) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: dick greenhaus I strongly suspect that rolling of the stones refers to a game of marbles. Not everything has earth-shattering significance. |
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30 Apr 05 - 09:50 PM (#1475380) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: GUEST i have ......susie charmed the birds &c.......she charmed youg john all out of his grave and there in his ams did lay, what do want of me susie what do you want from me one kiss one kiss from your cold clay lips then its back to your grave |
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01 May 05 - 04:39 PM (#1475959) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Willa Eileen McGann sang this at Whitby and has recorded it on 'Heritage' DRGN 005CD Sleeve notes relate it to Child 49 'The Two Brothers'... 'The earlier song makes it clear that it is his own brother who kills te young man at the dance because he wants pretty Susie for himself. Rolling the stones and tossing the ball were the games the two brothers used to play togeher (as Dick suggested) before jealousy came between them' |
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02 May 05 - 01:20 AM (#1476230) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Tannywheeler (Wow! My cookie's back!) Guest of 30 April,'05 -- sounds/looks like a relative of "Th' Unquiet Grave", a version of which is done by Rosalie Sorrels(Sorels?). Tw |
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02 May 05 - 03:54 PM (#1476693) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Malcolm Douglas See the other thread I indicated a year ago. Eileen McGann is only guessing when she says "The earlier song makes it clear..." (it doesn't) but most people only guess, so there's nothing unusual in that. |
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02 May 05 - 04:06 PM (#1476706) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Ramblingsid dick greenhaus said: "I strongly suspect that rolling of the stones refers to a game of marbles" Or possibly dice/die? |
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16 Feb 12 - 08:37 AM (#3309421) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Richie Hi, I've posted Oscar Brand's lyrics here: http://bluegrassmessengers.com/the-rolling-of-the-stones--brand-ny-1959.aspx Also I believe "the rolling of the stones" was once "the putting of stones" or "the throwing of the stones." Here's an excerpt from Child B, collected by Motherwell from Widow McCormick, January 19, 1825; Westbrae, Paisley: It's whether will ye play at the ba', brither, Or else throw at the stone?' Richie |
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16 Feb 12 - 09:28 AM (#3309448) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Lighter See Malcolm Douglas's post of May 11, 2002, here: thread.cfm?threadid=47394#709060 |
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20 Jun 20 - 10:26 PM (#4060449) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Joe Offer Looks like this needs some more work |
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21 Jun 20 - 11:24 AM (#4060560) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: RTim I recorded a version on my "Home From Home" CD......On Ian Robb's Fallen Angle Records, Ottawa. Tim Radford The Rolling of The Stones A version of the ballad "The Two Brothers" (Child No.49), with a tune learned via The Young Tradition, who sang a three verse version. My words were obtained only relatively recently from Maine, U.S.A., via the Internet! I had heard about and been looking for a full version of this song for many years - thank the Lord for technology. The Song Will you go to the rolling of the stones Or the dancing of the ball? Or will you go and see pretty Susie And dance among them all. I will not go to the rolling of the stones Or the tossing of the ball But I will go and see pretty Susie And dance among them all Will you drink of the blood The white wine & the red Or will you go and see pretty Susie When that I am dead. They hadn't danced but a single dance More than twice around Before the sword at her true love's side Gave him his fatal wound They picked him up and carried him away For he was sore distressed They buried him all in the greenwoods Where he was wont to rest Pretty Susie she came a wandering by With a tablet under her arm Until she came to her true love's grave And she began to charm She charmed the fish out of the sea And the birds out of their nests She charmed her true love out of his grave So he could no longer rest Will you go to the rolling of the stones Or the dancing of the ball? Or will you go and see pretty Susie And dance among them all I will not go to the rolling of the stones Or the tossing of the ball But I will go and see pretty Susie And dance among them all. |
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21 Jun 20 - 04:59 PM (#4060624) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: JHW Blowzabella used to sing this and they sang very little, mainly did tunes as you'll know. Excuse to check my albums. |
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22 Jun 20 - 12:01 PM (#4060776) Subject: RE: Rolling of the stone - origin? From: Reinhard Blowzabella sang The Rolling of the Stones in 1983 on their Plant Life album In Colour. |