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19 May 04 - 05:06 PM (#1188796) Subject: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: GUEST,Noddy I find this quite exciting. It was thought that all the existing glebes in the UK were already known, but they have found a brand new one. It is going to be called Fisher's Glebe, after the fellow who stumbled upon it. |
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19 May 04 - 05:19 PM (#1188811) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: beardedbruce Glebe Glebe (Lat. gleba) originally signified, in common law, any farm, estate, or parcel of land, and the word is so used in the Theodosian Code. But in ecclesiastical law it has become the technical term for land permanently assigned for the maintenance of the incumbent of a parish, and is the oldest form of parochial endowment. This use of the word is found in numerous medieval charters, of which Du Cange gives a few examples, and formerly no church could be consecrated unless thus endowed with a house and glebe. The fee-simple was held to be in abeyance, that is, without an owner in the eyes of the law, but the freehold belonged to the incumbent. It could be leased, sold, or exchanged, with the bishop's consent, and was sometimes allowed to be mortgaged for the purpose of repairing the parsonage or church. In England and Scotland, where glebe is held by the established Churches of those countries, there are now special laws regarding the leasing, sale, or exchange of such property, and all such transactions are subject to the approval of the land commissioners. In the Catholic Church, glebe, where it exists, is regarded as mensal property, and canon law regulates the conditions which govern its possession. The alienation of mensal property is now held by most legists to require the special permission of the pope, and even then only certain justifying causes are recognized, viz: (1) necessity, as when a church is overburdened with debt; (2) utility, or the opening for an advantageous exchange; (3) to redeem captives or feed the poor in time of famine; (4) convenience, as when the land is so situated that its produce cannot be gathered without great expense. Certain specified formalities have also to be complied with. (See PROPERTY, ECCLESIASTICAL.) |
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19 May 04 - 05:34 PM (#1188836) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Little Hawk I wonder how Fisher's Glebe compares to the better known Least Glebe which is located in Kent? Nice try, Noddy. That idiot beardedbruce ruined it. He's obsessed. |
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19 May 04 - 05:39 PM (#1188841) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: open mike i guess this is not a grebe (bird?) http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/Infocenter/i0030id.html http://www.montereybay.com/creagrus/grebes.html |
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19 May 04 - 05:41 PM (#1188845) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: beardedbruce I just want to show that NOTHING is too boring to generate a discussion on Mudcat. Gives me some hope that someone may actually read my poetry and give me real comments. And isn't this a bit transparent? Just start a thread about nothing- Though I suspect there is a lot to say about that. I will not post until at least one other person has. I promise. |
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19 May 04 - 09:52 PM (#1189127) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: mack/misophist Boring??? This is absolutely riveting! Please go on, beardedbruce. Have you anything else to add? For example, how many glebes include wabes? |
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19 May 04 - 10:07 PM (#1189136) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Amos Who the obsessed? Who the obsessor? Which grebe the greater? Which, now, the lesser? Grebes draw us on, chasing time's arrow! Not to be taken For the more common Sparrow. A |
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20 May 04 - 12:01 PM (#1189755) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Uncle_DaveO Amos, you are wonderful! Dave Oesterreich |
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20 May 04 - 12:07 PM (#1189766) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: JennyO One of our inner city suburbs in Sydney is called Glebe. Nice place with interesting cafes, such as "Badde Manors". |
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20 May 04 - 12:33 PM (#1189798) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Little Hawk The Grebe of Glebe* While passing through the sunny expanses of Glebe I happened to view the flight of a crested grebe That arrested my vision, it enchanted my gaze Which took me back in time to those most wondrous days Of which you may have heard when British knighthood was in flower And brave deeds were done for maidens sequestered in very dark towers Imprisoned there, it seems, by vile and seditious soulless torturers And men in black cowls, who were exceedingly mortuous By nature consumed, they were steeped in the Black Arts Which led then into vices not practiced much in these parts Of late, though I suppose, one might find them sometimes In certain depraved haunts like that filthy pub in West Hamplines At which I read poetry once and was threatened with bodily harm By a vile tatooted knave who menaced me with his bulging arms For he (the brute churl) did not appreciate fine art But instead was a slave to the bodily passions that give their part To so many of the ills that beset our beloved British nation And draw sighs from the widow's breast while stirring legal negotiations In the courts and there consume the time and money Of an honest man who would rather be at home spreading honey On his toast and contemplating the beauteous works of Mother Nature As revealed in the presence of simple natural creatures Such as the innocent crested Grebe That I had the great good fortune to witness on one fine day in Glebe! *(this poem, written by mois, is an attempt to match the work and style of the great William McGonagall. I wrote it specially for Amos.) |
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20 May 04 - 12:38 PM (#1189808) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: beardedbruce your rhymes are weak, but the poem, overall, is quite good. |
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20 May 04 - 12:42 PM (#1189817) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Little Hawk They're supposed to be weak! And the meter is supposed to be absolutely wretched. I had to really struggle to do that, because I am normally quite good at it. Have you ever read much William McGonagall? |
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20 May 04 - 01:20 PM (#1189864) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: beardedbruce Then it is a masterpiece! I read mostly lyrics. 14th to 17th century prefferred. |
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20 May 04 - 07:25 PM (#1190237) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Herga Kitty I hope Amos appreciates this. The West Hamplines line is a bit too far, even for WMG, who was always OTT. But as LH says, the meter (or, for us over the pond, the metre) of WMG's poetry was wretched. It wasn't just WMG's weak rhymes, but the appalling scansion, and trying to cram all the extra words into the line. LH's facility with the genre is quite worrying, really..... Kitty |
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21 May 04 - 08:57 AM (#1190682) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Amos Well, I am touched, Little Hawk by this excellent parody, and the similarities to McGonagal's work are many and obvious. However, this does NOT soften me up on the subject of McGonagle. And...mortuous???? Sounds like the emotional state of a large turtle. A |
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21 May 04 - 03:15 PM (#1190964) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Mr Red terrapin Amos, terrapins only. |
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21 May 04 - 03:26 PM (#1190977) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Amos Right -- large terrapins, when they are depressed, drag their asses around acting mortuous. Right? A mortuous sort of pall settled over the creatures in the Terrapin Display. Even the slugs had nothing to say... A |
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21 May 04 - 03:48 PM (#1190996) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Little Hawk Slugs seldom do have much to say... |
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21 May 04 - 04:21 PM (#1191015) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Amos Oh, they would, if they weren't driven into such mortuous doldrums by so many huge entities all the time. A |
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21 May 04 - 05:57 PM (#1191079) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: open mike where does a terrapin fit in in the categories of turtle-like critter? tortoises , turtles etc....some i believe have hinged carapaces, and others, not. some are aquatic. others, not, but then this is a thread about Glebes, is it not? |
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21 May 04 - 08:26 PM (#1191188) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Amos Glebe: Soil or farm land. Now used primarily in poetry. Once, the cultivable land belonging to, and used for the support of, a parish church. www.mises.org/easier/G.asp Grebe:small compact-bodied almost completely aquatic bird that builds floating nests; similar to loons but smaller and with lobate rather than webbed feet www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn Terrapin: any of various edible North American web-footed turtles living in fresh or brackish water www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn The terrapin sings to the grebe Upon the pastor's ancient glebe An' makes mah sorry chest to heab.... |
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21 May 04 - 11:45 PM (#1191277) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: katlaughing A Glebe! A Glebe! My queendom for a Glebe! |
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22 May 04 - 12:06 AM (#1191290) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Pogo so if one was say noticeably nonchalant with an aquatic bird upon medieval farm land...it's being glib with a grebe upon a glebe... now say that ten times fast {OP |
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22 May 04 - 12:07 AM (#1191291) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Pogo that that that that that that that that that that hah...beat the smart arses to it! |
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22 May 04 - 12:23 AM (#1191300) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: Amos If the glib grebe were enlightened, he might be a hip glib grebe; if a Republican, a hip glib Shrub glebe, no? A |
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22 May 04 - 12:31 AM (#1191303) Subject: RE: BS: New glebe discovered in Shropshire From: GUEST,leeneia I first saw a grebe while walking around a pond in Everglades National Park. The birdwatchers there are very friendly, because we all recognize one another. A cheerful, plump, elderly woman approached us and said, "Did you see the grebe. He's the cutest little feller! Go back the way you came and turn left at the second alligator." (There were large alligators lying perpendicular to the pond's edge at intervals.) We did, and we saw the grebe. It was indeed cute, but whether it was a feller or a gal, we shall never know. Do not do what we did if you have children or a pet with you. Alligators and small animals do not mix. The phrase "turn left at the second alligator" has now entered our family lexicon. |