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March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?

21 Oct 98 - 08:52 AM (#42647)
Subject: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Jennifer Burdoo

Looking for two songs now. Assuming you know MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA by Henry C. Work, there are two other songs I know of that use the same tune, both Irish, and both of which I want the lyrics to because I can not understand the Irish brogue.

1. Come in -- Done by the Irish Rovers on LP 'The Unicorn'. Some lyrics:

Chorus:
Come in, come in, we'll do the best we can
Come in, come in, bring your whole bloody clan
Take it slow and easy -- [gibberish]

One verse
I've travelled east, I've travelled west, I rove from town to town
I cut the harvest down [gibberish] people up & down?
[gibberish]the welcome mat is always waitin' me
Come fill your glass along with us and sing 'Ould Ireland Free'

2. Victoria -- Two or three Irish sisters on some CD anthology series.

Chorus:
Victoria, they're a-comin' for you soon
Victoria, ?leif-nagle and the moon?
?They're shinin' by September Cross around the Florida Tune?
They're a-comin' down for you, Victoria

(I swear that's what it sounds like! That's the best I can transcribe! Help!)

The Lion and the Unicorn were fighting for the Crown
And ?then? the Irish turned around, the wall came tumblin' down
The second ?jars? departed to [gibberish]
But they're comin' down for you, Victoria

If anyone can make any sense out of this, I'd be much obliged.

Jennifer


21 Oct 98 - 10:11 PM (#42746)
Subject: Lyr Add: HURRAY, MY FATHER'S GONNA BE HUNG^^
From: BSeed

HURRAY, MY FATHER'S GONNA BE HUNG

Hurray, hurray, my father's gonna be hung!
Hurray, hurray, that dirty drunken bum:
He was very mean to me when I was very young,
Hurray, hurray, hurray, hurray, hurray they're hanging Father.

Hurray, hurray, my mother's gonna be shot!
Hurray, hurray, that dirty drunken sot.
She was very mean to me when I was just a tot,
Hurray, hurray, hurray, hurray, hurray, they're shooting Mother.

Hurray, hurray, my sister's gonna be hurt!
Hurray, hurray, that nasty old pervert.
She was very free with me when I was just a squirt,
Hurray, hurray, hurray, hurray, hurray, they're hurting Sister.

Hurray, hurray, my brother's gonna be destroyed!
Hurray, hurray, that dirty little boy.
He always used to try on me the things he read in Freud,
Hurray, hurray, hurray, hurray, hurray, they're destroying Brother.

I ran across this in that old yellow book, whatever it's name is, published by "The American Outing Association" or something like that. --seed ^^

Click for another transcription of this song


22 Oct 98 - 06:33 AM (#42789)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Susan of DT

Jennifer - I have that record and will listen to it if no one posts it first.

The chorus on come in, come in ends with "for I'm an Irishman" as I (possibly incorrectly) remember. There is something else in the first part of the "gibberish"


22 Oct 98 - 06:50 AM (#42790)
Subject: Lyr Add: IN THE GOLDEN GULLIES OF THE PALMER^^
From: Helen

Jennifer,

Just out of interest, here is an Australian song to the tune of Marching through Georgia.

Helen

^^ IN THE GOLDEN GULLIES OF THE PALMER

Then roll the swag and blanket up, and let us haste away,
To the Golden Palmer, boys, where everyone they say,
Can get his ounce of gold, or it may be more, a day
In the Golden Gullies of the Palmer

CHORUS: Hurrah, hurrah, we'll sound the jubilee,
Hurrah, hurrah, and we will merry be,
When we reach the diggings boys, and there the nuggets see,
In the Golden Gullies of the Palmer

Kick at troubles when they come boys, the motto be for all,
And if you've missed the ladder in climbing Fortune's wall,
Depend upon it boys, you'll recover from the fall,
In the Golden Gullies of the Palmer

Then sound the chorus once again and give it with a roar,
And let its echoes ring boys, upon the sea and shore,
Until it reaches the mountains, where gold is in galore,
In the Golden Gullies of the Palmer


22 Oct 98 - 11:00 AM (#42801)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Jerry

I remember a little bit of a 19th century fraternity song to this tune. It was sung at Bowdoin College in the State of Maine. All I have in my head is the chorus:

Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah for old Phi Chi [pronounced Kai]/ Hurrah, hurrah, and may she never die/ When pluck beats luck and Prex is stuck and profs are high and dry/ Phi Chi is in her ancient glory.

The lyrics describe the hazing rituals that pledges had to endure to become brothers.

Jerry


24 Oct 98 - 02:11 PM (#43086)
Subject: Lyr Add: COME IN, COME IN
From: Susan of DT

Here is Come In:

COME IN, COME IN

    CHORUS:
    Come in, come in, we'll do the best we can
    Come in, come in, bring the whole bloody clan
    Take it slow and easy and I'll shake you by the hand
    Set you down, I'll treat you decent, I'm an Irishman.

I have traveled East, I've traveled West
I roamed from town to town
I cut the harvest down and there are people up and down
Wherever I go the welcome mat was always waiting for me
So fill your glass along with us and sing Old Ireland Free.

When I am gone some other place, my memory growing dim
Just fill a glass, drink a toast, invite the colleens in
Think about the good old times and you'll remember me
When good old songs are roaring out and porter flowing free.

@drink

Also, I searched the database for songs to Marching Thru Georgia by
1) Search for Georgia and note the name of the tune: MRCHGRGA in this case
2) Search for *MRCHGRGA You need the asterisk for tunenames because of the stuff(partly invisible) before it.
This yielded the original Marching Thru Georgia and three others.


12 Nov 98 - 03:06 PM (#45134)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Jennifer Burdoo

Found more about "Victoria" -- It's by the Grehan Sisters and can be found on a 4-cd compilation -- Irish Folk Favourites, if anyone who has that can transcribe it better than me. As I recall, it's the first song on the third cd. Help!

Jennifer


12 Nov 98 - 09:48 PM (#45178)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Guy Wolff

Hi, This is from Connecticut square danceing and not what your after but just another use of the song. It was the most popular dance tune in these parts for along time and Tude Tanguay's signiture piece

Oh the first old lady prominade the inside of the ring .When you get back home again you give that man a swing. Form a circle to the right with the ladies in the lead ....As we go marching thruogh Gorgia, Haray haray go back the other way ,Haray ,haray your going the wrong way when you get back home again you give that girl a swing ...As we go marching thruogh Geogia........... Sorry Atlanta........


17 Nov 98 - 05:18 AM (#45775)
Subject: Lyr Add: PAINT 'ER RED! (Ralph Chaplin)
From: Jon Bartlett

I'm astonished! A million Mudcatters and no Wobs?

PAINT 'ER RED!
(Ralph Chaplin)

Come with us you workingmen and join the rebel band
Come you discontented ones and lend a helping hand
We march against the parasite to drive him from the land
With One Big Industrial Union

CHORUS: Hurrah! hurrah! we're gonna paint 'er red!
Hurrah! hurrah! The way is clear ahead!
We're gaining shop democracy and liberty and bread
With One Big Industrial Union.

In factory and field and mine we gather in our might
We're on the job and know the way to win our hardest fight
For the beacon that shall guide us out of darkness into light
Is One Big Industrial Union.

Come on you fellows, get in line, we'll fill the boss with fears
Red's the colour of our flag, it's stained with blood and tears,
We'll flout it in his ugly mug and raise our loudest cheers
For One Big Industrial Union.

"Slaves", they call us, "working plugs", inferior by birth
But when we hit their pocketbooks, we'll spoil their smiles of mirth
We'll stop their dirty dividends and drive them from the earth
With One Big Industrial Union.

We hate their rotten system more than any mortals do
Our aim is not to patch it up but build it all anew
And what we'll have for government when finally we're through
Is One Big Industrial Union.

- by Ralph Chaplin, 1914 (he made Solidarity Forever, too). There was also another (tamer) song to the tune, which appeared regularly in each edition of the Little Red Songbook, called "One Big Industrial Union", made by G.C. Allen, but the Chap[lin version, though I think never published in the songbook, was the more popular. It was used by the prosection in several Wobbly sedition trials to prove the IWW's revolutionary intent. Jon the offsider


02 Jun 02 - 11:53 PM (#721946)
Subject: Lyr Add: VICTORIA (Brian O'Higgins)
From: Jim Dixon

Lyrics opied from http://celtic-lyrics.com/lyrics.php?ID=96

^^VICTORIA
(Brian O'Higgins)

The lion and the unicorn were fighting for the crown,
Then up spoke the Irish Cheddar and they both came tumbling down
The second George departed too, from Stephen's Green in town,
And they're coming for YOU, Victoria!

Victoria, they're coming for you soon,
Victoria, it may be when the moon
Is shining on December frost or on the flowers of June
But they're coming for YOU, Victoria!

A gas main burst in Belfast on the eve of Poppy Day,
And loyal doors, and windows too, blew rapidly away.
Came the dawn in Dublin, and the naughty so they say
Sent a message to the Castle for Victoria.

Georgie lost the seat he had; king Billy lost his head;
The lion lost his balance and the unicorn has fled,
And as sure as you're a stumpy humpty bumpy lump of lead
They'll be coming for YOU, Victoria.

Nelson's weather eye, they say, is looking out for squalls;
They're nervous in the Phoenix Park and round old Dublin's walls
But whosoever keeps his place and whosoever falls,
They've a double date with YOU, Victoria !!!


See also this thread (click)


03 Jun 02 - 12:52 AM (#721968)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: JennieG

This tune was used as the school song at the high school my sons attended - the chorus went something like:
Hurrah, hurrah, for the plough and the harrow and the hoe
Hurrah, hurrah, for the wheat in the waving row.....
I don't know who the perpetrator was, it was a long time before my boys went there. But is is a school that specialises in agricultural subjects, which may make the choice of words clearer! Neither of my sons became farmers either - one is studying music (jazz drumming) after some years working in the IT field, the other is a gymnastics teacher.
Cheers
JennieG


03 Jun 02 - 01:47 AM (#721984)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: masato sakurai

The Bodleian Library has a song to the tune of "Marching Through Georgia", with MIDI (Click here).

A Marching Song For Land Reformers [c. 1900] (Johnson Ballads 1295b)

The Land Song [c. 1910] (Johnson Ballads 1294)

"These two sheets, from similar sources, illustrate the use of well-known tunes for political ends. The second of them is the only example in the collections of the use of sol-fa rather than staff notation."

~Masato


03 Jun 02 - 01:52 AM (#721986)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Liz the Squeak

There is a pretty rousing hymn to this tune too, regretably I can't find the book, but the first line goes

'Come and see the shining hope that Christ's apostles saw'

and the chorus goes something like 'He lives, He lives! Christ lives .......'

I'll try and find it for you all if you want.

LTS


03 Jun 02 - 05:20 AM (#722018)
Subject: ADD: VICTORIA (Brian Na Barbar)
From: Snuffy

I've had the original Grehan Sisters LP "On the Galtymore Mountains" (Transatlantic TRA160) (autographed by all three) since the 60's. Victoria is the first track, and like many others, it is often very difficult to decipher what they are singing. There are minor differences from Jim's posting, perhaps the biggest being "they're coming down for you, Victoria" in the chorus and verses 1 & 3. The Grehans credit the composer as Brian Na Barbar, rather than O'Higgins. Are they one and the same?

The sleeve-notes give some background (but have been proved to be inaccurate for at least one other track):
The decapitation of King Billy's statue in College Green, Dublin, the blowing up of the Equestrian Statue of King George II in St. Stephen's Green and the removal by violent action of the Lion and Unicorn emblem near Dublin Castle on the morning of Poppy Day 1937, set loyal people saying that means should be taken to protect the ugly and aggressive looking image of the Queen Victoria that stands on Leinster Lawn.

VICTORIA
(Brian Na Barbar)

The lion and the unicorn were fighting for the crown,
When up spoke Irish Cheddar1 and they both came tumbling down
The second George departed too, from Stephen's Green in town,
But they're coming down for you, Victoria!
CHORUS:
Victoria, they're coming for you soon,
Victoria, it may be when the moon
Is shining on December frosts or on the flowers of June
But they're coming down for you, Victoria!

A gas main2 burst in Belfast on the eve of Poppy Day,
And loyal doors, and windows too, blew rapidly away.
Came the dawn in Dublin, and the naughty so they say3
Sent a message from the Castle to Victoria.

Georgie lost the seat he had4; king Billy lost his head;
The lion lost his balance and5 the unicorn he fled,
And sure as you're a humpy stumpy bumpy lump of lead
They'll be coming down for you, Victoria.

Nelson's weather eye, they say, was looking out for squalls;
They're nervous in the Phoenix Park and round old Dublin's walls
But whosoever keeps his place and whosoever falls,
They've a double date with you, Victoria !!!

  1. It certainly sounds like 'Irish Cheddar', but what does that mean?
  2. I had always heard 'A gatling burst'. On re-listening it does sound more like 'gas main', but it's impossible to be sure.
  3. Who or what are 'the naughty so they say'?
  4. I had always heard 'lost his seating'. Could be either
  5. Sounds more like 'from' to me
WassaiL! V


03 Jun 02 - 08:38 AM (#722048)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: John MacKenzie

What about The Glasgow Eskimos, written in praise of the foolhardy idealists who tried to stop the first convoy of US warships arriving at the Holy Loch on the Clyde, using only kayaks.
Up the Clyde came Lannan[?]in his super duper yank
We fairly cramped his smile me boys when we dropped him in the stank*
Up to your knees in sludge and sewage fairly cramps your style
For we are the Glasgow eskimos.

Hurrah hurrah we are the eskimos
Hurrah hurrah the Glasgow eskimos
We,ll gaff that nyaff**called Lannan, and we'll spear him where he blows.
We are the Glasgow eskimos.

Don't remember any more, but I'm sure ljc will know some of this one.
*stank= drain
** nyaff=creep/plonker

Failte....Giok


03 Jun 02 - 11:11 AM (#722092)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Rich_and_Dee

Billy Bragg recorded "There is Power in a Union"

"There is power in a factory, power in the land Power in the hands of the worker But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand. There is power in a union"

Don't have the rest of the lyric handy. Pretty rousing stuff.

Rich


03 Jun 02 - 12:34 PM (#722135)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Mark Ross

POWER IN THE UNION was written to the tune of ARE YOU WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB not MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA. Joe Hill wrote PITU around 1912.

Mark Ross


03 Jun 02 - 01:11 PM (#722150)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Rich_and_Dee

Hi Mark,

I certainly defer. On Billy Bragg's "Talking with the Taxman about Poetry" album, he claims credit for writing the lyrics and says the tune is Traditional.

When I played the song for my wife, she said the tune was Marching through Georgia.

I wonder if we're referring to the same song?

Regards,

Rich


03 Jun 02 - 01:41 PM (#722169)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Mark Ross

I haven't heard that album. Joe Hill wrote a song, which can be found in the IWW Songbook SONGS TO FAN THE FLAMES OF DISCONTENT called POWER IN THE UNION;


03 Jun 02 - 01:45 PM (#722171)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Mark Ross

I haven't heard that album. Joe Hill wrote a song, which can be found in the IWW Songbook SONGS TO FAN THE FLAMES OF DISCONTENT called POWER IN THE UNION;

There is Power(there is power) In a band of working folk When they stand, hand in hand, That's a power(that's a power) That will rule in every land One Industrial Union Grand.

Actually it's to an old Baptist hymn THERE IS POWER IN THE BLOOD.

Mark Ross


03 Jun 02 - 02:11 PM (#722192)
Subject: Lyr Add: GLESCA ESKIMOS
From: Kenny B (inactive)

A little bit of folklore background
Capt Lanin of the USS ? called the group of protesters on the pier at the Holy Loch a "Bunch of Eskimos " because they were all wearing Parkas. He was subsequently assaulted and knocked into the gutter while off duty in Sauchihall St in Glasgow. I think a big boy did it and ran away?

GLESCA ESKIMOS
From: GUEST,jacko@nz
Date: 21-Sep-01 - 08:33 PM
Yes, I think I've done this before....., never mind

GLESCA ESKIMOS

It's up the Clyde comes Lanin-a super-duper Yank
But doon a damn sight quicker when we coupt him doon the stank
Up tae the neck in sludge and sewage fairly stops yer swank
--We are the Glesca Eskimos

Chorus
Hullo, hullo, we are the Eskimos
Hullo, hullo, the Glesca Eskimos
We'll gaff that nyaff ca'd Lanin
We'll spear him whaur he blows
We are the Glesca Eskimos

It's in an oot, an up an doon, an on an aff the piers
There's cooncilors, collaborators, pimps and profiteers
The hairies jouk the polis, and the polis jouk the queers
--We are the Glesca Eskimos .... Chorus

There's dredgers and there's sludgie-boats tae keep the river clean
Ye lift yuir haun an pu the chain--ye ken fine whit ah mean
But why in the hell has the Holy Loch been left ootside the scheme
--We are the Glesca Eskimos ....Chorus

We've been in mony a rammy, lads, we've been in mony a tear
We've sortit oot this kind afore, we'll sort them onywhere
O, get yuir harpoons ready--he's comin up for air
--We are the Glesca Eskimos ....Chorus


03 Jun 02 - 03:15 PM (#722229)
Subject: Lyr Add: THERE IS POWER IN A UNION (Billy Bragg)
From: Rich_and_Dee

Hi,

Here's the Billy Bragg song I referenced. It's interesting in the folk tradition how artists borrow song titles, even when they don't borrow the actual lyrics.

THERE IS POWER IN A UNION
(Billy Bragg)

There is power in a factory, power in the land
Power in the hand of the worker
But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand
There is power in a Union

Now the lessons of the past were all learned with workers blood
The mistakes of the bosses we must pay for
From the cities and the farmlands to trenches full of mud
War has always been the bosses way, sir

The Union forever defending our rights
Down with the blackleg, all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters from many far-off lands
There is power in a Union

Now I long for the morning that they realise
Brutality and unjust laws cannot defeat us
But who'll defend the workers who cannot organise
When the bosses send their lackeys out to cheat us?

Money speaks for money, the Devil for his own
Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone?
What a comfort to the widow, a light to the child
There is power in a Union

The Union forever defending our rights
Down with the blackleg, all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters from many far-off lands
There is power in a Union


04 Jun 02 - 11:28 AM (#722812)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: masato sakurai

There're seven campaign songs whose tune is "Marching Through Georgia" in Irwin Silber's Songs America Voted By (Stackpole Books, 1971):

1. "March of United Labor" (words: George Campbell)
2. "Silber Song"
3. "Marching With McKinley to Victory" (words: M.C. Dawsey)
4. "Our Victory Banner"
5. "Marching Through Rum-Land"
6. "Voting for Labor" (words: James R. Townsend)
7. "That's Why We're Voing for Roosevelt" (words: Thomas O'Dowd)

Three songs in Richard E. Lingenfelter & Richard A. Dwyer, Songs of the American West (University of California Press, 1968):

8. "All Are Talking of Utah" (words: "Ieuan")
9. "When We Go Marching Home"
10. "Come, All Ye Toiling Mllions" (words: H.F. Johnson)

Thirteen songs in Philip S. Foner, American Labor Songs of the Nineteenth Century (University of Illinois Press, 1975):

11. "Labor Song" (words: John Siney)
12. "The March of the Toilers"
13. "Labor Free For All"
14. "Marching to Freedom"
15. "The Unionist's Song"
16. "Industrial Freedom" (words: S.M. Jones)
17. "A Song of Eight Hours" (words: E.R. Place of Mass.)
18. "Marching With Coxey"
19. "Coxey Army!" (words: Willie Wildwave)
20. "The Workingmen's Army"
21. "The Land Song"
22. "March of United Labor" (words: George Campbell)[= 1]
23. "Gold Bugs Go Down Before Bryan"
24. "When We're United for Freedom" (words: H.B. Salisbury)

~Masato


04 Jun 02 - 11:51 AM (#722818)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: masato sakurai

21. "The Land Song" is the one at the Bodleian Library linked to above.

~Masato


04 Jun 02 - 12:10 PM (#722836)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)

From "Mormon Songs From The Rocky Mountains, ed. Thomas E. Cheney:
The Story of Mormonism
All Are Talking of Utah (mentioned above)
Marching to Dixie


30 Sep 04 - 10:50 PM (#1285523)
Subject: Hurlstone Agricultural High School-school song
From: GUEST,mykey_au@yahoo.com.au

I went to that high school Hurlstone Agricultural High School where the school song was to the tune of marching through george though at the time I always thought it was to the tune of the Land Song. The school is in Glenfield a suburb of Sydney, New South Wales Australia. I remember it well because I was in the first year of high school (year 7) when our music teacher Mr Wood "updated" the song and I suggested to him some of the changes to the wording of the first verse (or so I like to think ... memory is a strange phenomenen!)

Current School Song

Come gather round Hurlstonians
And sing with all your heart.
It's here we learn about life's ways
And how to play our part.
It's here we learn about the land
That gave us all your start.
We are glad that we belong to Hurlstone.

CHORUS:
Hurrah, hurrah for the plough and the harrow and the hoe.
Hurrah, hurrah for the wheat in the waving row.
And when we're out upon our own
The good results will show
What we have learned at dear old Hurlstone.

Now you should see our sporting teams
When they achieve their goals.
They try their best and tear it in
With all their hearts and souls.
While o­n the field the other side
Lie round in countless shoals
When the blue, red and gold play up for Hurlstone.

CHORUS

And here's to those who've gone before
To fortune and to fame,
All fiercely proud Hurlstonians
Who've won for us a name
And in the years that are to come,
We hope to do the same,
For the honour of our great school, Hurlstone.

CHORUS


Original School Song

The School Anthem reproduced below was first written in 1912 by an old boy, Gerald Digby. Several alterations were made in 1918 and the last stanza was added. The song which follows the air of 'Marching Through Georgia,' is sung at Thursday morning Assembly.

Come, gather round, ye Hurlstone lads
And sing with might and main,
Tis here we learn our dairy work
And how to sow the grain.
Tis here we learn our orchard work,
From Taylor's mighty brain,
'Neath the eye of Lugmuir, boss of Hurlstone.

CHORUS:
Hurrah, hurrah for the plough and the harrow and the hoe.
Hurrah, hurrah for the wheat in the waving row.
And when we're out upon our own
The good results will show
What we have learned at dear old Hurlstone.

We've soldered in the plumber's shop,
And shaped the sheets of tin.
We've hammered nails and blunted planes
'Neath skilful craftsman Pinn;
And often after 'ragging,' the office we've been in,
So well known to all of us at Hurlstone.

CHORUS

You ought to see our football team,
When they start kicking goals
They score the tries and tear it in,
With all their hearts and souls;
While o­n the field the other side,
Lie 'Dead' in countless shoals.
Wen the Bland and Gold play up for Hurlstone

CHORUS

We've sought the mighty liver fluke,
And learned about it ways,
And how it is and why it is Merino wool it pays,
And paced with and of microscope,
The fierce Amoeba's gaze,
In the modern science room at Hurlstone

CHORUS

And here's to those who've gone before,
To fortune and to fame, old boys in far Gallipoli,
Who made for us a name,
And in the years that are to come
We hope to do the same, for the honour of
The dear old school Hurlstone.

CHORUS


01 Oct 04 - 01:40 AM (#1285656)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: JennieG

GUEST mykey, when were you at Hurlstone? I believe they will be celebrating their centenery in a few years.

Cheers
JennieG - mother of 2 ex-Hurlstonians


01 Oct 04 - 05:25 PM (#1286395)
Subject: Lyr Add: THEY DON'T WANT TAE KNOW (Jim McLean)
From: Susanne (skw)

There's another song from Scotland to the same tune, written by - you guessed it - Jim McLean and dealing with sectarianism in Glasgow:

THEY DON'T WANT TAE KNOW
(Jim McLean)

Chorus:
Hello, hello, we're orange and we're green
Hello, hello, we toast the pope and queen
We argue about fitba' and we're living in a dream
And we don't want to know, no we don't, no we don't
We don't want to know, no we don't

Your pal is called Macdonald and he hates the Campbell clan
He talks about a massacre, and him an Orangeman
But tell him that King Billy signed the dirty stinking plan
He'll no want to know, no he'll no, no he'll no
He'll no want to know, no he'll no

Your other pal's a Celtic fan and he comes frae Polmadie
He waves the Irish banner just because he is RC
But tell him that Saint Patrick was a Scotsman and you'll see
He'll no want to know, no he'll no, no he'll no
He'll no want to know, no he'll no

Repeat 1

There's some folks sing The Soldier's Song and some God Save the Queen
There's some ? the royal blue and some the emerald green
Instead of fightin' for their rights they fight aboot Jock Stein
And they don't want to know, no they don't, no they don't
They don't want to know, no they don't

So if you follow Rangers or you are a Celtic fan
Don't belt the bloke beside you 'cos' your team lost 7:1
Remember that he's just like you - a Scottish workingman
He'll no want to know, no he'll no, no he'll no
He'll no want to know, no he'll no

Repeat 1


And the Civil Rights movement in Northern Ireland used the tune, too:

THE LONG MARCH TO DERRY
(Anon?)

Chorus:
Hurrah, hurrah, we proudly march along
Hurrah, hurrah, we sing our marching song
The battle cry of liberty went ringing loud and clear
All on the long march to Derry

'Twas on the first day of the year in nineteen sixty-nine
We gathered at the city hall, the weather being fine
With McCann in first to lead us, Michael Farrell in the van
Off on the long march to Derry
As we approached to Antrim town the bridge we found was blocked
There stood a certain major with a feather in his hat
No Fenian folk will e'er pollute this sacred ground we hold
We'll soon stop your long march to Derry

Now Toomebridge town was good we found, the people stood and cheered
And everyone supported us wherever we appeared
We crossed the bridge where McCorley died with our banners flying high
Off on the long road to Derry
'Twas in Dungiven Farrell stood and told the watching crowd
We're marching for our civil rights, we're marching and we're proud
And every man and woman here regardless of its creed
Should join in the long march to Derry

They ambushed us at Irish Street(?) and at Burntollet too
And the air was thick with stones and bricks and the missiles fiercely flew
But we got up and struggled on though battered black and blue
To finish the long march to Derry
Well now the march is over we can lay our banners down
For the world has seen what Ulster's like while loyal to the crown
And generations yet unborn will live to toast the boys
Who went on the long march to Derry

I got this off an album by 'Owen McDonagh and the Bogside Men' called 'Songs of Civil Rights' and made some time in the early Seventies, but there wasn't much info on the sleeve so I've no idea who wrote this and the other songs. If anyone happens to have access to this album, would you mind PMing me, please?


01 Oct 04 - 06:04 PM (#1286428)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: English Jon

No one seems to have mentioned:

Hello, hello, we are King Billy's boys
Hello, hello, we are King Billy's boys
Up to our necks in Fenian blood, surrender or you'll die
We all follow King William.

Or indeed the modification into a Luton Town Football Song

Hello, hello, we are the Luton boys
Hello, hello, we are the Luton boys
Up to our necks in Watford blood, surrender or you'll die
We all follow the Luton


Jon


02 Oct 04 - 09:57 AM (#1286823)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Sandra in Sydney

another Australian song using this tune - by singer/songwriter John Dengate, 'My tongue goes bumbling through Georgia', it's about Australians who adopt American accents to sing, and is not complimentary to these performers

I don't have the words but I'll try to get them, or maybe even transcribe them this weekend.

sandra


02 Oct 04 - 11:07 AM (#1286856)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: GUEST,Flash Company

For some reason my cookie has vanished!
I recall a version from somewhere about a guy with too many girl friends which had achorus of 'Put on, put on, your little old running shoes' But I can't remember anything else about it!

FC


05 Mar 07 - 10:15 AM (#1986902)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Scrump

Reviving this thread that I stumbled across during a search. Reproducing the lyrics posted upthread by Snuffy:

VICTORIA
(Brian Na Barbar)

The lion and the unicorn were fighting for the crown,
When up spoke Irish Cheddar1 and they both came tumbling down
The second George departed too, from Stephen's Green in town,
But they're coming down for you, Victoria!

CHORUS:
Victoria, they're coming for you soon,
Victoria, it may be when the moon
Is shining on December frosts or on the flowers of June
But they're coming down for you, Victoria!

A gas main2 burst in Belfast on the eve of Poppy Day,
And loyal doors, and windows too, blew rapidly away.
Came the dawn in Dublin, and the naughty so they say3
Sent a message from the Castle to Victoria.

Georgie lost the seat he had4; king Billy lost his head;
The lion lost his balance and5 the unicorn he fled,
And sure as you're a humpy stumpy bumpy lump of lead
They'll be coming down for you, Victoria.

Nelson's weather eye, they say, was looking out for squalls;
They're nervous in the Phoenix Park and round old Dublin's walls
But whosoever keeps his place and whosoever falls,
They've a double date with you, Victoria !!!

1. It certainly sounds like 'Irish Cheddar', but what does that mean?
2. I had always heard 'A gatling burst'. On re-listening it does 3. sound more like 'gas main', but it's impossible to be sure.
3. Who or what are 'the naughty so they say'?
4. I had always heard 'lost his seating'. Could be either
5. Sounds more like 'from' to me


No-one seemed to answer these queries at the time, and I'm interested to know if anyone can answer them today (maybe a member who joined since then will know).

(Sorry the format has got a bit screwed up by my cut/paste, please refer to Snuffy's posting higher up if necessary).


05 Mar 07 - 10:56 AM (#1986962)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Jack Campin

From a 1903 issue of "The Socialist", an Edinburgh paper of the (DeLeonist) Socialist Labour Party then edited by James Connolly:

Hurrah, Hurrah! We're the fighting S.L.P.
Hurrah! Hurrah! We march to liberty,
To the Socialist Republic and the triumph of the free,
We're marching with the working-class to victory.


10 Nov 07 - 06:29 PM (#2190783)
Subject: Lyr Add: A NEW SONG—UP TO DATE (V. G. Mays)
From: Jim Dixon

For historical interest, here's one from Spanish-American War Songs: A Complete Collection of Newspaper Verse During the Recent War with Spain, edited by Sidney A. Witherbee, 1898. I can't say I'd want to sing it, though:

A NEW SONG—UP TO DATE.
(V. G. Mays.)
Tune—Marching Through Georgia.

Play our school piano and we'll sing another song—
Sing it with the spirit that is worthy of our throng—
Sing it as we ought to sing it, voices good and strong—
While we are shouting for Cuba.

CHORUS. Hurrah! Hurrah! We're setting Cuba free.
Hurrah! Hurrah, we'll make the Spaniards flee.
So we'll sing the chorus here at home, while out at sea
Our boys are gaining the victory.

Have you read the papers? Have you heard the joyful sound?
How our gunboat Nashville has a Spanish transport found.
How our own "Pat" Mullen, by his cannon turned it 'round
As it was steaming to Cuba.

Don't forget the day on which this warfare was begun—
April twenty-second, at the rising of the sun.
Hardly had they 'wakened 'fore they heard report of gun,
And they were turning from Cuba.

Soon we've captured many steamers that belong to Spain,
Pedro, Catalina, Miguel Jover, now are gain;
Saturnina, Panama and Guido we'll retain
While we are fighting for Cuba.

Not alone their steamers but their schooners are our prey;
For Mathilda, Canelita could not get away;
Sofia, Candidia, Antonio will stay
While we are fighting for Cuba.
(April 27, 1898.)

In the harbor of Manila was our first affray,
And our Dewey was the victor on the first of May—
While the Spanish squadron, like the old Armada lay,
And we were gaining Manila.
(May 3, 1898.)

When in Santiago Bay, Cervera put their fleet,
Hobson's sunken Merrimac them bottled up so neat,
'Til July the third, forth they filed to sure defeat
That Schley's fleet gave them near Cuba.
(July 6, 1898.)

FINAL CHORUS: Hurrah! Hurrah! Spain's driven from the seas.
Hurrah! Hurrah! She's sued for terms of peace,
For we've Cuba, Porto Rico and the Philippines,
In days fourteen and a hundred.
(Aug. 16, 1898.)


10 Nov 07 - 08:02 PM (#2190845)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Dave Hunt

Learnt from Reg Hall many years ago at Bampton.

Hurrah,hurrah the good old Gravesend Mayor
Hurrah, hurah,he's got lots of hair
He's got whiskers on his chin, he drinks lots of beer
God made the mayor for the people


11 Nov 07 - 02:35 AM (#2190976)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Liz the Squeak

Scrump - if you're still watching this thread -

It is entirely possible that they do sing Gatling burst, a Gatling being one of the first available types of machine gun. A burst of fire from that would certainly take out a door or gate.

I've heard this song sung using 'Gatling burst' and it made perfect sense to me.


LTS


23 Jan 11 - 04:42 PM (#3080928)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: sandinmyears

"Ulster Young Militants:"


23 Jan 11 - 04:56 PM (#3080944)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: MartinRyan

An early posting asked:

The Grehans credit the composer as Brian Na Barbar, rather than O'Higgins. Are they the same?

Yes - though that should be BRIAN NA BANBAN, the pen-name of Brian O'Higgins. It means "Brian of Ireland".

Regards


05 Mar 12 - 12:27 PM (#3317715)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: GUEST

Some time in the 1960s or early 1970s a song that was used for the anthem of rangers football club used the same tune as marching through georgia which is called we are the billy boys. i do not know who wrote this song but when the fans sing it the fans i think sing the tune of victoria or the lion and unicorn but when they sing the corries the tune is marching through georgia and that's how my mates know this song.


18 Dec 19 - 11:47 AM (#4024410)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: Tuvya

And the tune was called into "service" Charlie King dissected election expectations in "The Little Jewish Ladies For Buchanan" c.2000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZYStoUZxvk


19 Oct 22 - 08:01 AM (#4155581)
Subject: RE: March through Georgia - other lyrics to tune?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch

Fallout from the wool trade searches. About 8 years after the original:

The “Orient" delivers her Carpenter's Chest to the Lammermuir" in Mid-Ocean.

In 1872 the Orient was diagonally sheathed, and Captain Mitchell took command of her.

In 1873 the Orient was just about to leave London for Adelaide, when old John Willis, with his frock-coat flying open and his white hat on the back of his head, came aboard and said to Captain Mitchell: “The carpenter of my Lammermuir has left his tool chest and tools behind; will you take them out to Adelaide and deliver them to him.”

“No," replied Captain Mitchell, who was a skipper of the good old sort, “but I will take them and deliver I them before I reach the line."

The Lammermuir had sailed some 10 days before on the 12th of September to be exact. Old John Willis immediately offered to bet Captain Mitchell £5 that he would not be as good as his word. The bet was accepted and the Orient sailed on 28th September. In 5° N. a ship was sighted ahead and overhauled. It turned out to be the Lammermuir. Signals were exchanged, and a boat put over with the chest on board, and the Lammermuir's carpenter duly received his tools as Captain Mitchell had promised. The two ships then parted company and the Orient eventually arrived at Adelaide on the 16th December, 79 days out, the Lammermuir arriving six days later.

It was a great triumph, and the apprentices of the Orient composed a pumping chanty to the tune of “Marching through Georgia” to commemorate it, the first verse of which ran as follows:

        The Lammermuir left London, boys,
        A fortnight's start she'd got,
        She was bound to Adelaide,
        Her passage to be short,
        But the Orient overhauled her
        Before halfway she'd got
        As we were sailing to Australia.

In 1879 the Orient was sold to Cox Bros., of Waterford, and she was still afloat quite recently as a coal hulk at Gibraltar.”
[The Colonial Clippers, Lubbock, 1921]

See Advent thread for: Round the Horn Before the Mast, Lubbock, 1902