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05 Jul 04 - 09:09 PM (#1219605) Subject: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: ChildoftheSea I love the song "Bantry Girl's lament" and have researched all about the time period and the words and origins, but one fact eludes me: What is a Bantry Girl and what did she do? This would help me alot..thanks!! |
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05 Jul 04 - 09:25 PM (#1219616) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: open mike in Star of the County Down i think there is a place name called Bantry Bay. Not knowing the song you refer to , that is the only reference I can come up with. |
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05 Jul 04 - 09:25 PM (#1219617) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: Nerd Bantry, I think, is a town. |
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05 Jul 04 - 09:25 PM (#1219618) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: Q (Frank Staplin) She lived in Bantry, Co. Cork? And mourned Johnnie, gone to fight in the Peninsular Wars? Not sure what you are after. See thread 44455 and others listed there for discussion of the song: Bantry Girl |
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05 Jul 04 - 09:41 PM (#1219626) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: ChildoftheSea That makes alot of sense...I think you are right..thanks alot |
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06 Jul 04 - 02:33 AM (#1219735) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: MudGuard Bantry, Co. Cork, is a small town in the south west of Ireland located at 51°41'N 9°27'W - on the southern shore of Bantry Bay. |
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06 Jul 04 - 04:32 AM (#1219777) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: Mr Happy http://www.westcork.com/bantry-tourism/gettingto.html |
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06 Jul 04 - 07:11 AM (#1219830) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: MartinRyan It's a bit confusing but - the Bantry in this case is actually in County Wexford, in the South East of Ireland. I think the details are in another thread - but don't have time at the moment to dig it up. Either way - Bantry is the name of the place from where the girl came... Regards |
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09 Jul 04 - 01:57 PM (#1222428) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,nickr90 AS Martin Ryan said Bantry is the area she came from - it is a townland in County Wexford but may also be in other counties. Nicky |
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09 Jul 04 - 02:31 PM (#1222453) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: PoppaGator I was aware of the town named Bantry at the head of Bantry Bay in the southwest corner of Ireland; I didn't know about any Bantry in Co Wexford in the southeast, but I don't doubt that it's there. I'm not surprised two Bantrys might exist, because I know it's not the only town name that occurs in more than one Irish county. There's a Turlough in County Mayo, just outside Castlebar, site of a very interesting and fairly new museum documenting old-time "Country Life" in the West of Ireland. I'm not sure exactly where the other Turlough is located, but we had already encountered one such town elsewhere before visiting the museum in Mayo's Turlough. Who knows --there might be three or more of them; "turlough" is the Irish word for a kind of pond or lake that appears seasonally, drying up and disappearing underground for part of each year. Hopefully, a given town name can be used only once per county! The confusion would be too much otherwise. |
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10 Jul 04 - 08:09 AM (#1222816) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: Fiolar PoppaGator: Her are the details about Bantry, County Wexford: TOWNLAND ACRES BARONY PARISH PLU (Poor Law Union) Bantry Commons 1,514 Bantry Templeludigan New Ross Bantry Commons 545 Bantry St. Mullin's New Ross Bantry Commons 1,640 Bantry Killann Enniscorthy As you can seen one of the above has connections with the song "Kelly, the Boy from Killann". |
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10 Jul 04 - 11:55 AM (#1222893) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) A lady who walks like William Petersen in CSI. Oh, sorry. Thought you said 'Bandy Girl'. |
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13 Aug 05 - 03:45 AM (#1541558) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,Guest, Big Tim This verse of the song also ties it to Co. Wexford, The boys will sorely miss you, When Moneyhore comes round, And grieve that their bold captain, Is nowhere to be found. Moneyhore is a townland about two miles SW of Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford. In his "Enniscorthy: History and Heritage" (1998) Micheál Tóibín says, "That fine ballad 'The Bantry Girls' Lament' calls to mind the celebrated Fair of Moneyhore. The passing of a century has brought to an end these old village fairs and lent to them a romantic glow which will linger on in popular memory long after the dates of the gatherings and locations of the [fair] greens are forgotten". (Re duplication of place names, there are dozens of Dublins in the US! See "Sweet Liberty" by Josephy O' Connor). |
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18 Apr 11 - 11:33 AM (#3137447) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: mikesamwild re Dulication eg Turlough --- was Turlough OCarolan linked or did the Irish use place names a a first name ? |
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18 Apr 11 - 11:41 AM (#3137454) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: MartinRyan mikesamwild IIRC the christian name Turlough is an anglicised version of an Irish name which is usually translated as Terence. Even though I have comparatively good Irish, I'll have to check on the original spelling! While a "turlough" is a drying lake and an element of some placenames, I reckon it's not relevant in this case. Regards |
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18 Apr 11 - 12:12 PM (#3137472) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: mikesamwild Thanks Martin , I'd be very interested as we have a Carolan workshop here in Sheffield |
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18 Apr 11 - 12:31 PM (#3137487) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: MartinRyan I'm open to correction on this one but, essentially: Toirdhealbhach is the old spelling of his name, rendered in Roman script and with h replacing the "séimhiú" mark or dot above a consonant which shows lenition (changes the sound or eliminates it). In modern Irish it becomes Traolach. Turlough is a kind of intermediate form which retains some Gaelic character but is used in English. Still with me....? ;>) Regards |
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18 Apr 11 - 12:34 PM (#3137490) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: MartinRyan Incidentally, there's a 19C. biographical note on Carolan HERE . Regards |
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18 Apr 11 - 12:53 PM (#3137504) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,Peter Laban Even more incidentally, the book the reference was taken from, Joseph C. Walker's Historical Memoirs of the Irish Bards, can be downloaded in full through Google books. |
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18 Apr 11 - 01:27 PM (#3137530) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: MartinRyan Thanks Peter - must do that... Regards |
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18 Apr 11 - 01:51 PM (#3137539) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,Peter Laban Daly's The Poets and Poetry of Munster is on there as well |
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18 Apr 11 - 04:22 PM (#3137649) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: JHW Any ideas on a boreen green? (Actually I'd always thought it was a boring green but just checked aka Mondegreens, Perpetuated Errors at al) |
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18 Apr 11 - 04:30 PM (#3137658) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: MartinRyan JHW "boreen" is an anglicised version of the Irish word "bóthairín" which is a diminutive of "bóthar" - which means "road". So a boreen is a country road or track, basically. Regards |
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19 Apr 11 - 11:12 AM (#3138245) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: Thompson Factoid: a bóthar (road) is wide enough that two herds of cattle (bó = cow) can pass; a bóithrín, pronounced bore-een, is a small road. |
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22 Jun 11 - 06:47 AM (#3174409) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,Fiairefeá Bóthar comes from bó & thar A cow lengthways and a cow wide the standard measure for a road in Brehon law. |
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01 May 23 - 06:50 AM (#4171212) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,Frank Carter The song relates to County Cork, within which are Bantry town and Bannog, which also features in the song…. “and the girls from the Bannog in sorrow may retire…. “ |
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01 May 23 - 09:21 AM (#4171221) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,jm bainbridge mention of Bantry brought back happy memories of buying & selling at the monthly Bantry (Cork) market on a Friday. After the business we'd retire to a great old pub/ironmongers called An Clinic, where the seats were empty beer barrels with doormats on top for comfort. The first notes of the 'Stack of Barley' had all up dancing while customers came in for their paintpots, seed packets & kerosene! Bantry is prone to sea flooding & I asked one regular how he'd fared during one serious flood. 'jasus I just stayed on me bar stool & it didn't reach that far up it' happy days & a great song, wherever it's from! hi Frank (of Sligo?) |
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01 May 23 - 11:01 AM (#4171235) Subject: RE: Origins: What is a Bantry Girl? From: GUEST,RJM according to jimmy crowley the song relates to county wexford , it mentions moneyhore which is in wexford, there is a bantry in wexford, Moneyhore is a townland about two miles SW of Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford. In his "Enniscorthy: History and Heritage" (1998) Micheál Tóibín says, "That fine ballad 'The Bantry Girls' Lament' calls to mind the celebrated Fair of Moneyhore. The passing of a century has brought to an end these old village fairs and lent to them a romantic glow which will linger on in popular memory long after the dates of the gatherings and locations of the [fair] greens are forgotten". (Re duplication of place names, there are dozens of Dublins in the US! See "Sweet Liberty" by Josephy O' Connor). |