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12 Jul 04 - 07:52 PM (#1224206) Subject: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth I think we're all pretty aware of the concept of the "October Surprise." With the national election coming up on the first Tuesday in November, something happens in late October that makes the incumbent look like he can walk on water, undercutting his challenger' charges and criticisms. So the incumbent winds up with four more years in which to do whatever he wants to do to the country and the world. It has happened before. And there is no reason to doubt that the incumbent will try to bring it off again. After all, it is becoming a standard political ploy. But lately, there has been a curious pattern of events occurring repeatedly. Whenever Kerry does something or says something that makes the headlines, or when something is revealed that makes the Bush administration look bad, the Bush administration tries to pull a rabbit out of a hat somewhere and steal the headlines away from Kerry or overshadow whatever Republican dark deeds have been uncovered. The Democratic Convention is coming up in Boston, on the 26th to the 29th of July. This event is guaranteed to garner headlines and much television coverage, and it, of course, will feature much criticism of Bush and his administration. Therefore, look for the July Surprise. Briefly HERE (note particularly the second to last paragraph), and in more detail HERE Don Firth |
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12 Jul 04 - 08:17 PM (#1224214) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Amos The Pakistani government is under a lot of pressure to produce HVT ( High Value Targets) during that time frame; I don't know what to think of an administration that bends over so far just to manipulate perceptions, instead of getting things done in the real world. It seems flaky or dishonest, or both. A |
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13 Jul 04 - 04:23 AM (#1224389) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: John MacKenzie Hey what's new, we've suffered from the ministrations of unelected spin doctors for the last 7 years at least. In the UK every time the Conservative Party announces a good policy, the Labour Party steals it. however that's no surprise, as the Labour Party is only the Conservative Party wearing a red tie. Politicians are the same the world over, remember what Billy Connolly says, 'Don't vote, it only encourages them' Giok |
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13 Jul 04 - 08:57 AM (#1224508) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Bobert Normal, Don... Are you in any way surprised? These aren't ordinary thugs we're dealing with here, in case you hadn't noticed... Their end game is complete and centralized *control* so this batch can shine in the eyes of their aging Nazi parents who failed to drive a stake through the heart of the New Deal... ...and this batch of crooks needs another 4 years to accomplish the task. Bobert |
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13 Jul 04 - 09:27 AM (#1224528) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Ellenpoly You should enjoy seeing this one, Don..xx..e http://www.ericblumrich.com/lotto.html |
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13 Jul 04 - 09:49 AM (#1224545) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous So what, Don. As long as something dishonest is not being done, it's come to all's fair in the spin world. You can choose to buy into it or not. And you think all of Kerry's campaign commercials won't be all Bush bashing instead of purely extolling the qualities of the candidate. To even bring this up shows how worried and paranoid one can be. How nieve you are. |
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13 Jul 04 - 10:03 AM (#1224562) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Bill D if I read Don's posts, can I be nieve too? |
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13 Jul 04 - 10:05 AM (#1224565) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: beardedbruce BillD, You are NOT nieve? (BG) |
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13 Jul 04 - 10:48 AM (#1224602) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: John MacKenzie How naif of you to say so. Giok |
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13 Jul 04 - 10:53 AM (#1224605) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: beardedbruce Naif (a.) Having a true natural luster without being cut; -- applied by jewelers to a precious stone. Why, thank you, Giok! I did not know you thought so highly of my words here on Mudcat... (BG) |
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13 Jul 04 - 11:02 AM (#1224610) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Amos The nature of spin IS dishonesty. What else? A |
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13 Jul 04 - 11:17 AM (#1224627) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous The nature of spin is not dishonesty, but influence of interpretation. Not everything is pure black & white. spin can be an opinion. |
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13 Jul 04 - 11:23 AM (#1224630) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Rapparee Spin, like Charm, Truth, Beauty, Up and Down, is a quality of quarks. |
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13 Jul 04 - 12:40 PM (#1224671) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous Spin is also a cycle your washing machine does. So, amos when your washer is in the spin cycle, it is being dishonest. |
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13 Jul 04 - 01:43 PM (#1224709) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: John MacKenzie Ask it to come clean! Giok |
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13 Jul 04 - 02:12 PM (#1224727) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous It can't come clean. It's a spin, so therefore it is dishonest. Amos said so. So it must be. Right? also, going to jump down, spin around, pick a bale of cotton is a dishonest way of doing this chore. Stevie Nicks did a lot of twirling and spinning around when she would perform with Fleetwood Mac. Don't you agree that this was a dishonest way of performing? |
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13 Jul 04 - 02:38 PM (#1224748) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth And so, because of the little people with nothing to say another thread that could generate serious discussion goes down the tubes. Aw, to hell with it!! Don Firth |
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13 Jul 04 - 02:39 PM (#1224749) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: John MacKenzie Where does that leave the folk group known as The Spinners? Giok |
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13 Jul 04 - 02:41 PM (#1224753) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: GUEST Well, gol darn!!! My washing machine must be tellin' the truth!!! When it's in the spin cycle it keeps sayin', "Martin Gibson is a liar - Martin Gibson is a liar - Martin Gibson is a liar - Martin Gibson is a liar..." |
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13 Jul 04 - 03:17 PM (#1224776) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Amos You guys are impossible. Look. There is (1) seeing and (2) knowing what you see and (3) saying what you know. That's honesty. Then there is calculating about what kind of effect you want to create or what thoughts you want another to think and working up a line that will influence the listener toward that view. That's alteration with intent. It is not just innocent interpretation. Innocent interpretation includes the statement of opinion -- such as "It seems to me..." or some such. Saying that the administration is "providing bold new guidelines for conservation of our great legacy of the wilderness" -- when one is actually announcing legislation to open up thousands of acres to lumber-cutting interests -- is dishonest. Honesty is saying what you actually see, and if its an opinion, saying as much. A |
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13 Jul 04 - 03:31 PM (#1224788) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous Amos A lot of blah blah blah. Are you an attorney? Knowing what you see isn't honest if you have vision problems, or drank too much. Knowing what you hear isn't honesty if you are hard of hearing. Knowing what you feel isn't honesty if you are confused. Unless of course you are honestly confused. that of course can come from spinning in a circle numerous times., Don, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Guest, I am not a liar. But what is a "gol" as in gol darn mean? |
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13 Jul 04 - 04:14 PM (#1224815) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Bill D and to address the subject of the thread..(sorry, Don..*grin* was heading out the door and couldn't resist the short remark) I have NO doubts that plans are afoot to time various releases of information to take advantage of the attention span of both the public and the News Media! Add to that, they are doing various tedious things NOW, so the whatever furor there is will dies down by the time to vote! One...they are planning to wipe out the "no roads in the wilderness" edict that Clinton gave us at the end of his term. Two...they are relaxing the restrictions one at least one nasty pesticide (methyl bromide) LONG arguments about these can be found. I see that one Al Quaida figure has surrendered...I suppose Bush will find a way to claim credit) |
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13 Jul 04 - 04:21 PM (#1224820) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: beardedbruce Gee, and I thought it was because of the Kerry/Edwards ticket... Actually, the reason he gave was to take advantage of the Saudi amnesty ( well, they promise not to execute them) for terrorists who surrender. CNN story a quote from the end of the article: "After arriving in Saudi Arabia, al-Harbi made a statement broadcast on Saudi TV. "I called the embassy, and we felt that we were welcomed, they were among family. Thank God for this blessing," he said. "I came because I abide by the word of God and that of the caretaker of the holy sites. This initiative from the caretaker of the holy sites and the king is an opportunity. And our country is the country of Islam. "Undoubtedly, it is an opportunity any logical man would thank God -- every logical man should take advantage of this opportunity." " |
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13 Jul 04 - 04:42 PM (#1224842) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: GUEST Martin: I didn't think you would admit to knowing about "gol." It is the updated signature of the Republicans. Was: GOP - Grand Old Party now gol; grand old liars you're welcome |
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13 Jul 04 - 05:39 PM (#1224876) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous That's quite, ignorant, Guest. winner of today's song and dance award. I think you are the biggest liar, because you haven't got the balls to post under your regular name when you want to get in a jab. Actually, you talk like Gomer Pyle. |
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13 Jul 04 - 05:44 PM (#1224883) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Amos Martin: It has come top my attention that you are not yet in compliance with my earlier instructions to you to go piss up a rope. Should you continue on this course of noncompliance, be advised that this office will take appropriate action, including, but not limited to, prosecution in a court of law. For your convenience in understanding what is expected in response to this notification, please see the simple step by step instructions below. 1. Find rope. 2. Hold, hang, nail, tie, secure or otherwise place rope above your head, hanging downward. 3. Remove urinary device (if locatable by you) from any garments that would impede flow. 4. Point urinary device upward along the axis defined by hanging rope. 5. Direct flow of urine up same rope until available supply of urine is consumed in this process.. Please advise this office when you have completed these instructions. A |
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13 Jul 04 - 05:58 PM (#1224901) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous You hold the rope, open your mouth and cath it on the way down. or I'll point the urinary device in your face. Piss up a rope is a stupid expression. Is that as good as you can do? Puhleeese! |
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13 Jul 04 - 11:36 PM (#1225075) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: GUEST,Clint Keller Spin is, for example, GWB announcing that the administration is allowing more industrial emissions and then saying, "This will give you clean air." It may be that "Putting more crap in the air will give you clean air," is an honest opinion, but if you believe that you're stupid, either congenitally or wilfully. clint |
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13 Jul 04 - 11:37 PM (#1225076) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: The Fooles Troupe This thread may be in July - but the way it has gone is certainly no surprise.... |
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14 Jul 04 - 02:55 AM (#1225120) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Ebbie There are a couple of things I really wish we knew how to accomplish. One is how to begin de-polarizing our nation. If Kerry/Edwards wins this fall, there will be about as many disgruntled/alarmed people in the country as there are people right now who perceive outrageous mindsets and alarming actions from the current administration. Mind you, I believe that most of us who see clearly the danger we are in on the course we have set under the bush are far more aware of truth and justice and tolerance and just plain decency to our fellow man than any of the die-hard, believe-in-my-leader-to-the-last-gasp people who will be disenfranchised in a regime change. But I really do think we have to find a way to defuse them- or this country will lurch from one crisis to another for years to come. The other thing that I wish we could accomplish - and this needs to be done very soon - is to find a way to let everyone in this country know that there will be some kind a surprise, whenever it may occur, so that the people of this nation don't jump on an unstable, nonsustainable, unseemly, inappropriate band wagon. |
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14 Jul 04 - 03:08 AM (#1225123) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: The Fooles Troupe From an Aussie viewpoint there seem to be 2 causes... 1) voting is not compulsory - even though we have "the donkey vote" - being fined for being too lazy to go to the polling booth seems to have some effect - you can always choose to vote 'informal'. 2) The rigid 2 party system (with its formalised selection system) seems to have produced 2 almost indistinguishable flavours of the same political party. 'Minor parties' & 'Independents' are a real force in other cultures - this lack seems to have produced a very narrow minded (and perhaps it could be called 'uneducated') view of the world in the USA. Robin |
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14 Jul 04 - 03:52 PM (#1225477) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth The two major American political parties consist of Way to the Right of Center Conservative (Republican) and Somewhat to the Right of Center Conservative (Democrat)—contrary to the assertion of the Bush administration that Kerry and Edwards are "extreme liberals." In my view, judging from a few politicians I have met and talked with, notably Washington State Congressional Representive Jim McDermott, those in the Democratic Party will be considerable more accessible and responsive to non-billionaires like me than the Republicans have been or ever will be. And far less inclined to play the global bully, at least in the somewhat crude and obvious way of manufacturing reasons to invading other countries as the Bush administration has done. The reason there is a rigid two-party system in the U.S. is that it's "winner take all." In some countries, the government is made up of a coalition reflecting the proportion of the population that voted for each of the various parties. In this kind of system, a third, fourth, fifth, or tenth party at least has a voice in the government. But not in the United States. The President is going to be either a Republican or a Democrat. The Senate and the House of Representatives will be predominantly Republican or Democrat. If the President and the majority of Congress are of the same party (as is the case now), the President has an easier time getting his policies approved and the laws he wants passed. If they are of different parties, not so easy. This is all part of the "checks and balances" that the Founding Fathers had in mind. As far as third or fourth party members are concerned, there may be an occasional Green in the House of Representatives, and perhaps a Libertarian or two, maybe even a Senator who calls himself an "Independent," but that's about all the influence minority parties have ever achieved. And although it makes the supporters of third party Presidential candidates unhappy when someone points it out, a liberal third party candidate will split the Democratic vote, making it more likely that the Republican Party candidate will win (and vise versa, but right now there is no conservative third party to split the Republican vote). It's simple arithmetic. One can expect third party supporters to cavil at this and deny the obvious because if they acknowledged the truth of it, they would have to face the political reality that they are damaging their cause more than they are helping it. It is more productive to vote for the major party that's nearest to your position, even if they don't fully represent your beliefs, and if they (hopefully) get elected, be politically active in that party and try to influence it as much as you can in the direction you want it to go. The solution to the problem, of course, is to change the system under which American politics works. But I doubt this will happen in the foreseeable future. Don Firth |
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14 Jul 04 - 05:20 PM (#1225546) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous And I hope it doesn't. Another post of blah, blah, blah, I hate America and Bush bashing. Shee-it! Is that all you can think of? Of course, Don, you want a candidate to reflect every single belief you do. Not nearest to your beliefs, but your beliefs. As usual it's about you. So, Don we shouldn't have invaded Iraq. Saddam should be in there still. Let's get silly, Don. Do you like DC comics or Marvel. both had good qualities as I rmember. More powerful superheros in the DC books, but the Marvel ones had superheroes with more human feelings. Don't you agree? Anyone else out there have any ideas about that? |
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14 Jul 04 - 05:31 PM (#1225559) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth Martin Gibson, it has become obvious that you are stalking me, and posting you usual juvenile drivel following anything I post. I count on the intelligence of Mudcatters in general to evaluate both my posts and your posts and judge them accordingly. I was talking to Foolestroupe, not to you. Go to your room! Don Firth |
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14 Jul 04 - 05:36 PM (#1225567) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous I think you are stalking me, actually. Maybe we can get that guy who counts posts to see how many of yours actually have been following mine. and again, this is an open forum. with all of your intelligence you did not address anyone in particular with your post. |
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14 Jul 04 - 05:41 PM (#1225574) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: McGrath of Harlow "Another post of blah, blah, blah" I think that means a post which is not merely made up of slogans and insults, but actually tries to present some kind of coherent argument. |
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14 Jul 04 - 05:47 PM (#1225578) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Amos Martin: I do not know why your frequency of appearance has increased so dramatically lately. Have you lost a regular job? Some other upset? In any case, what do you suppose it would take to neutralize the bitterness which you bring to these threads? Is there something you are trying to prevent very hard from happening in life? A |
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14 Jul 04 - 06:02 PM (#1225590) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous No, work is cool, amos. Are you counting posts, also? There are others who post way more than me, I am sure. I'm having a pretty good time, overall. Have you heard about Mike Ditka possibly running for senate in Illinois? What kind of comic books did you like to read? I am not bitter. Do you think that there is anything that can be done to neutralize the flow of bullshit that tries to pass for something intellectual? |
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14 Jul 04 - 06:08 PM (#1225596) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Bill D "So, Don we shouldn't have invaded Iraq. Saddam should be in there still." Saddam should NOT 'be in there'...and we SHOULDN'T have invaded Iraq. There are other evil leaders in the world that need to be taken out also....but they aren't as easy, and we don't have the forces, .....and Kim Il Sung didn't thumb his nose at Daddy... In response to Don's post about political parties....yes, under the current setup, it almost requires a serious voter to vote, as it were, for the lesser of two evils. There are WAY more than two viewpoints and agendas going, and it is beyond silly to expect all the politicians to cram themselves into two awkward groups....and it is 'almost' as silly to try to form a 3rd party when all that will do is confuse the situation. A country as complex as the USA needs a system to allow the minorities to maybe GET that 1-2 representatives, instead of begging for favors from 2 parties which have to write 7 versions of every stump speech ...and remember where they are on Tuesday! Add to this the need to shorten,by a lot the 2+ years of jockeying for position and a primary system which give a few states a ridiculous amount of influence over choices of candidates! We DO live in an amazing, wonderful country in many respects, but efforts to improve it are not always self-serving power grabs or ". ...another post of blah, blah, blah, I hate America and Bush bashing. ". |
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14 Jul 04 - 07:06 PM (#1225632) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth This is a free country, Marty, (so far, at least) and you have a perfect right to sneer at anything that is beyond your comprehension. Don Firth |
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14 Jul 04 - 07:07 PM (#1225634) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Amos Ditka is an exciting prospect all right. I don't know if he has a lot of respect for the Constitution or not, or how he feels about starting wars, though What about this bit? "Ditka's wife has been quoted as saying she'd divorce him if he ran -- a prospect Ditka dismissed Tuesday saying, "She'd do anything I wanted to do." Hmmm. Maybe the last 20 years of advancement in equal rights for women haven't reached Illinois. Well, maybe she just says that all the time, and he knows her better than I do for sure. So, Martin, what do you think constitutes real thought? Or is it all BS? A |
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14 Jul 04 - 11:31 PM (#1225754) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: The Fooles Troupe Shaddup MG! I'm currently experiencing the same level of intellectual debate that you demonstrate, from my 7 year old highly intelligent god-daugher.... Don, Another problem is the 'first past the post' voting system which also encourages 'winner take all'. In Australia, I may not like the current party in power, or even 'the opposition', but I do have a chance to vote first for someone else, then give a second preference to one of the major parties. This tends to keep the big boys in line, cause if the minority parties get too many primary votes and exchange preferences the right way, the big parties lose that seat, then need to chase after the little guys to stay in power. This discourages complacency. As was evidenced with the 'Pauline Hanson' phenomena, it cause the Liberal Party to veer hard to the Right to stop it's so called 'Conservative Voters' deserting them in droves. In Australia 'Labour' = just right of centre, 'Liberal' = Hard Right Wing, 'Conservative' = somewhere in between. 'Democrat' & 'Green' = somewhere approaching the old Labour Party Left position... 'Independent' is genuinely anywhere from Hard Right to somewhere left of centre... :-) |
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15 Jul 04 - 11:25 AM (#1226147) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous "Fool" stroupe, you shut-up and go spend more time with your 7 year old god-daughter. go play dolly with her. Don, thank you oh thank you for reminding me this is a free country. I rely on your posts to get me through life so very much. NOT! Amos, Ditka as you probably heard said he will not run. You show that you know very little about Mike Ditka the man, or Illinois politics in general, as Illinois is quite possibly the biggest Democratic stronghold in the country. Lumping all from illinois as not knowing anything about equality for women is both accusatory and shows you are not at all the intellectual you claim to be, but just another reactionary goon, whether liberal or conservative. Even though he claims to be quite conservative, most everyone in Chicago, where he has been a beloved personality for many years, knows Ditka is very honest, answers to know one, tells it like it is, and fully believes in what he thinks. However, the democrat Barack Obama is a quite fine candidate who's star is rising and could eventually be one of the true leaders of the Democratic party. He is both believable and extremely intelligent. Would have been interesting if Ditka ran, but it was just something fun to talk about for a few days. As far as real thought goes, why should I dwell on it with you? consider that life is too short to dwell on what is and what isn't "real" thought. If you spent less time on dwelling on what is real thought, you might just fine that you smile more. |
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15 Jul 04 - 02:22 PM (#1226277) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth Foolestroupe, I'm not exactly sure how that Australian system works, but I've just discovered a web site that attempts to explain it, so I'll go and try to educate myself. I'm not (yet) sure if this is the way the Australian system works, but I would favor a system of preferential voting, in which a voter can rank the candidates in order of his or her preference. That way, if one listed Nader as #1 and Kerry as #2, if it becomes obvious that Nader is not garnering a plurality*, the vote would automatically shift to Kerry. [And for those of conservative bent who object to my example, were Pat Buchanan (or Robertson) running and if they're coming in well behind, their votes would shift to Bush (assuming that was the next choice of the conservative voter)]. This way, those who prefer a candidate other than the majority party candidate could list the order of their preference with no fear of their vote being "wasted," as happens under the present American system. And the major parties would have to take the minor party candidates and platforms very seriously, otherwise they might suddenly find that they have become a minority party. Don Firth *Majority = a candidate has to have over 50% of the vote to win. Plurality = the candidate who receives the most votes wins, even if it is not a majority (this is the U. S. system). P. S.: By the way, regarding Martin Gibson—what else would you expect from someone whose role models are Beavis and Butthead? |
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15 Jul 04 - 02:39 PM (#1226287) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous Don, you just ewon't quit with the attacks, will you? You are a piss poor intellectual, Don and quite a poor insulter to say the least. You just don't get how hypocritical you are, and how stupid you appear. I think you are such an anti-American loser just sponging off of this country. I would have your social security checks stopped. You really don't deserve them. |
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15 Jul 04 - 03:21 PM (#1226331) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth Marty, the question here is who's attacking whom and how long has this been going on. I post something serious and you follow it with one of your brilliant sallies composed of nothing but insults liberally larded with toilet vocabulary. You started doing this months ago. You've been stalking me, Marty, and you've been doing it for a long time. And not only that, you regularly insult a whole bunch of people here on Mudcat--anyone you don't agree with. No attempt at rational discussion or rebuttal on your part, just childish invective. I think my reference to Beavis and Butthead is apt, and it explains a lot about you. Is your life so empty that you can't find something better to do with your time? A couple of times now, I've tried to extend an olive branch to you, but you just strip the leaves off and try to whip me with it. But I'll try again. If you'll leave me alone, I'll leave you alone. Deal? Don Firth |
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15 Jul 04 - 03:41 PM (#1226355) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous I have never seen an olive branch to you, just you STALKING me with snide insults and a lot of pure snobbish attitude. You have repeatedly stuck your nose in to discussions to just criticize me because I don't think or act like you do. I will assure you, that you are much, much more uncomfortable wih me than I am with you. Your real name is Don Firth (I presume). I have said before, I am Martin Gibson here and when I leave this web site, I am XXXXXX X. XXXXXXXXX. My fun and outlook of the world is much different than yours. What makes yours the right way? To me, you are what is wrong about a part of MudCat, an exclusive boys club of pseudo intellectuals not at all interested in anything but your own blah, blah, blah agenda. A narrow minded litlle group of old men who have seen better days in the real world and now have basically their keyboards left. A narrow minded group who have nothing better to do but discuss some matters that they pretend to know so much about. As for your offer, I will think about it. |
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15 Jul 04 - 03:52 PM (#1226366) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth If that's really what you think of the people who frequent Mudcat, I don't understand why you hang around here, but each to his own, I guess. As to who's stalking whom, I could very easily come up with where you first attacked me and then follow the whole trail. But as far as a truce is concerned, do think about it. This is really getting stupid, and I'm quite sure all the other narrow-minded, pseudo-intellectual old men are getting pretty sick of it too. Don Firth |
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15 Jul 04 - 04:47 PM (#1226415) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous Don, the group I was referring to is a part of Mudcat, who utilize the BS threads to stroke their own ego. I could easily come up with how your posts attack me after I have posted. You will always be to me the one who started this crap because you offend way too easily, and can't accept people who think out of your narrow little box of far, far left extremeism. as for the other narrow minded, pseudo-intellectual old men who are getting sick of it, I am glad that you agree with my discription of them. |
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15 Jul 04 - 04:48 PM (#1226416) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Ebbie Third graders frequently think potty jokes are hilarious but they tend to grow out of it. I can't imagine why an adult would think they are fun. It appears to me that someone's wife is not aware of what someone in the privacy of his own home does. |
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15 Jul 04 - 05:17 PM (#1226435) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous specifically what potty jokes are you referring to, Ebbie? Referring to someone as a narrow minded far left old man is hardly a potty joke, even if one is offended by it. swearing at someone to prove a point is no joke, either. Of course you are talking about don's wife, as you do not know mine. I also would never make references about your family. You are out of bounds for doing so about mine. Please practice being nice to others before you preach about someone else's behavior. |
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15 Jul 04 - 08:18 PM (#1226558) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth Yeah, he's hopeless. Like I said, he's trying to rise to the level of Beavis and Butthead. Don Firth |
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15 Jul 04 - 09:14 PM (#1226599) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Ebbie Making references about your family, Martin Gibson? Can't be- you don't exist, remember? |
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16 Jul 04 - 12:21 AM (#1226686) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous Ebbie, My wife does exist here. She is Kay Gibson. before I married her she was Kay Taylor. don, I never watched Beavis & Butthead. Tell me more what you know about them. They were on MTV right? Did you watch them there or were you watching to see all the cute girls with the nice tits? |
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16 Jul 04 - 07:25 AM (#1226829) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: The Fooles Troupe "who utilize the BS threads to stroke their own ego" Hmmmm... Funny, I've never heard it called by that name before.... BTW, my 7 year old god-daughter is potty trained... and potty-mouth trained... Don, "I would favour a system of preferential voting, in which a voter can rank the candidates in order of his or her preference." etc That is the way that 'preferential voting' - to use one word to cover a multitude of slightly different systems - basically works. There are several similar systems for various State & Federal Aussie Elections and other countries have similar systems. The Senate is a different game on its own - each candidate is elected when they receive a 'quota', and the remaining votes of that candidate run on to the next candidate in the same 'party', and so that candidate my then receive a 'quota' too. The minorities are not swept away by 'pluralities' - which is really just another name for a complete 'first past the post' system - the necessity is for the winner to obtain over 50% - the 'preferences' from the first and each subsequent eliminated candidates (fewest primary votes) are distributed in order until the leading candidate exceeds 50%, or all candidates other than the remaining two are eliminated, at which point one candidate must lead over the other unless there is an exact tie - which has never happened yet as far as I know. Recounts are often automatic in close cases, and may be asked for - there may be several recounts before the matter ends up in front of the Electoral Commission for a final decision if it is needed. Robin |
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16 Jul 04 - 10:20 AM (#1226928) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous you are very unclear, foolstroupe. Heard what called by that name before? As for your god-daughter being potty trained, gee I hope so at that age. As for potty-mouth, yeah I would think someone that age would not be using strong adult language. However, when she is about 14, develops a women's body, and wants to be more woman than girl, good chance she might end up with a truck dirver's vocabulary for a while. |
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16 Jul 04 - 10:31 AM (#1226937) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: The Fooles Troupe Whoosh! Air Force Flying Low Today! :-) |
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16 Jul 04 - 11:42 AM (#1226982) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous Get ready for a bomb. |
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16 Jul 04 - 01:31 PM (#1227051) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth Thanks for the clarification, Robin. It sounds like a fairly complicated system, but it probably becomes more tidy once you've dealt with it a bit. I've found a web site (here) that goes into it in detail. I'm going to give it a bit of study and try to get an idea of how well it might work here. In theory, of course. The chances are we're stuck with the system we've got, for the time being at least. Don Firth P. S.: To Marty: I saw something about Beavis and Butthead in the TV Guide some years ago. I watched one episode, enough to get the gist of the thing. Toilet humor wears thin after about ten seconds. But obviously you like it quite a bit, since it's your stock in trade,. One suggestion, though: less toilet and more humor. Nah, forget it. That would put too much of a strain on you. |
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16 Jul 04 - 09:30 PM (#1227392) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: The Fooles Troupe "No Brain, No Strain"!!! |
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17 Jul 04 - 12:08 AM (#1227454) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Once Famous Don, pinching a loaf in the morning is probably a strain for you. I think that's pretty humorous, but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it. I value my lungs too much. Toilet humor for your pleasure. Very clever "fool" stroupe. Not really. But what's the punchline? |
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17 Jul 04 - 02:02 AM (#1227491) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: The Fooles Troupe Whoosh! Air Force On Manoeuvres Again Today! :-) |
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17 Jul 04 - 02:08 AM (#1227493) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: The Fooles Troupe Bran! That's what he needs! |
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17 Jul 04 - 04:37 PM (#1227825) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: Don Firth Jeeze! No matter how many times I flush the toilet, Marty is still there!! (Hand me the Yellow Pages. I've gotta find a plumber!) Don Firth |
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17 Jul 04 - 04:44 PM (#1227828) Subject: RE: BS: JULY surprise! From: GUEST Ah jeez, I see Martin Gibson is being his usual rectal self again. |