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Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.

14 Jul 04 - 12:19 AM (#1225096)
Subject: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: GUEST,John Mehlberg

I am seeking people to sing me rude rhymes & bawdy songs that they learned for a folklore project. People often think of these as rugby songs, military songs or hash house harrier song and are shared traditional bawdy songs.

If you know a rude rhyme or bawdy song, please send me an email at john AT mehlberg D-O-T com.

Any help will be appreciated.

Sincerely,

John Mehlberg
www.immortalia.com
~
Common song titles:

    I Used To Work In Chicago
    The S&M Man
    My Name Is Jack
    Caviar Comes From the Virgin Sturgeon
    The Ball of Kerrymoor
    Sammy Small
    Sweet Violets
    Bang Away, Lulu

14 Jul 04 - 04:03 AM (#1225138)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: John MacKenzie

Kirriemuir, and it's in the Angus in Scotland.
Giok

14 Jul 04 - 04:15 AM (#1225146)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Dave Hanson

John, try and find a book by Ed Cray entitled ' Bawdy Ballads ' a serious study but enough bawdy songs for anyone.

eric

14 Jul 04 - 05:11 AM (#1225190)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: pavane

'Llewtrah' has a large number on her web site - link can be found somewhere in the threads here.

14 Jul 04 - 05:37 AM (#1225205)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Leadfingers

I would reccomend Thomas D'Urfey's 'Pills to Purge Meloncholy' - a wonderful collection of seventeenth century filth .

14 Jul 04 - 08:20 AM (#1225264)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Bert

And you can search DT for @BAWDY

14 Jul 04 - 11:55 AM (#1225323)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: NightWing

Being Hash Mouth for the Denver and Boulder Hash House Harriers,
14 Jul 04 - 12:00 PM (#1225327)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: NightWing

Whoops! That didn't work. Let me try this again, with apologies.

Being the Hash Mouth for the Denver and Boulder Hash House Harriers, my own website has a quite a few Hashing songs, some with links to tunes. These are mostly modern, rather than traditional, however.

ON-ON

Little Head / Shut Yer Manhole

(aka [here on the Mudcat] NightWing)

14 Jul 04 - 12:13 PM (#1225337)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Bill D

I do hope John Mehlberg comes back to follow up, as not everyone will go to the trouble to send emails when we trade information here, mostly.

(There are many places you can find bawdy songs...it's always a popular topic...but except for research purposes, I don't particularly care for the 'hashing' versions, as they tend to get into filth for filth's sake, with little concern for accuracy and construction as long as it is long, loud and goes well with LOTS of beer! *grin* )

Many bawdy songs are quite clever and funny, but after the 23td gratuitous verse which is just an excuse to bellow out naughty names for body parts and acts, I do get a mite bored..

14 Jul 04 - 08:52 PM (#1225691)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: dick greenhaus

Bill D-
You always did have a short attention span.

14 Jul 04 - 09:52 PM (#1225717)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Bill D

oh, I wouldn't say th

14 Jul 04 - 10:38 PM (#1225732)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Celtaddict

Besides Oscar Brand's longlived series of "Bawdy Songs and Backroom Ballads" (those we called "Basement songs" when I was in school) you might want to check out Richard "Salty Dick" Docker's recent release "Uncensored Sea Songs" from Old Fashioned Music. (www.oldfashionedmusic.com)

15 Jul 04 - 12:02 AM (#1225765)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

?No one has mentioned the two volume set, "Roll Me In Your Arms" and "Blow the Candle Out," Randolph and Legman, over 950 quarto-sized pages of bawdy and "unprintable" Ozark Folksongs, pub. by Univ. Arkansas. (Since bawdy songs travelled everywhere, these are not just Arkansas versions. Still available at near published price.

15 Jul 04 - 02:18 AM (#1225807)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Terry K

Note that our GUEST John Mehlberg posted

"I am seeking people to sing me rude rhymes & bawdy songs that they learned for a folklore project".

He didn't ask for recommendations of good books.

15 Jul 04 - 02:59 AM (#1225815)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Nerd

True, but I'll mention that Ed Cray's book is actually called The Erotic Muse.

Our Guest's request on the surface seems odd. Why would he care if we learned them for a folklore project? On the other hand, if he merely means that he wants them for a folklore project, then the "that they learned" becomes redundant; clearly we could only sing songs we had learned.

15 Jul 04 - 05:48 AM (#1225910)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: GUEST

G;day Leadfingers,

I don't have the time, or patience to transcibe ALL the Bawdy Ballads. GUESt Johm - you'll find tem of 'em at this D/Urfey link. Mumble... here's Another link...

Cheers Sam - Singing "Eskimo Nell"... or is it "Charlotte".. or...???

I can't remember.....

Cheers - Sam

15 Jul 04 - 06:35 AM (#1225925)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: s&r

Ed Cray may have written other books; I have in front of me 'Bawdy Ballads' compiled by Ed Cray and published in 1970
Stu

15 Jul 04 - 07:49 AM (#1225960)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Ed Cray, in his introduction to "The Erotic Muse," gives examples of a child's bawdy rhymes. The girl, pointing to her breasts, genitals and buttocks, chants:

Milk, milk, lemonade,
Around the corner where fudge is made.

and:
My bonnie lies over the ocean.
My bonnie lies over the sea.
My father lies over my mother,
And that's how I came to be.

Children's bawdy rhymes are not well represented in published literature, having been ignored by Opie, Baring-Gould and the like, and perhaps would be worth exploring in a thread, but "adult" material is so well-covered by the volumes of Randolph and Legman, Cray and others that it is hard to make original contributions.

15 Jul 04 - 11:07 AM (#1226127)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: radriano

Check out the sea songs at:

Salty Dick's Uncensored Sea Songs

15 Jul 04 - 11:40 AM (#1226159)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Nerd

Sorry, Stu, you're right! The Erotic Muse is Cray's famous study of Bawdy songs (second edition, 1992).

Q: we used to sing "that's how they got li'l ol' me" at the end of the bawdy "My Bonnie." It's the only version I knew as a child!

15 Jul 04 - 11:47 AM (#1226166)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Radriano's post reminds me to mention "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor," unexpurgated sea chanties, by Douglas Morgan, 124 pp., Swordsmith Books, 2002, in paperback. (Mentioned in other threads)

15 Jul 04 - 12:23 PM (#1226190)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: JWB

Would someone be so kind as to define "hashing", "hash house" and "harrier" songs? I've never encountered the terms before.

Thanks.

Also, Ed Cray has published both "The Erotic Muse" and "Bawdy Ballads", an edition of the former I purchased recently right here at the Mudcat auction. "Erotic Muse" is an expanded version of "Bawdy Ballads".

Jerry

15 Jul 04 - 01:24 PM (#1226238)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
From: GUEST,John Mehlberg

Greetings everyone,

I already have almost every book published that has bawdy songs in them -- and a few manuscripts that have never been published. I seek people to SING for me the bawdy songs that they know.

You can email me directly at John AT Mehlberg D-O-T com

I do not make any money from this project and all songs sung, with your permission, will be public domain. Here is an example of bawdy songs that I have recorded.

  • Field Recording - John Mehlberg Collection - See Notes.

    • 15 Jul 04 - 02:34 PM (#1226284)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: Stilly River Sage

    It wouldn't do any good then to suggest extant recordings because they're already under copyright in other venues. If someone learned a song, for example, from an Ed McCurdy recording (The Daliance albums, for example), is that what you're looking for, or do you want simply the neighborhood bawdy song handed down informally?

    In the "For What it's Worth" category, I enjoy and laugh at the McCurdy songs and others, but the few I listened to in this thead seem to fall into a "guy thing" mode or perhaps "juvenile (but not necessarily youthful) humor." It's bound to have plenty of takers, but I think I'll leave it here. :-/

    SRS

    15 Jul 04 - 03:23 PM (#1226333)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: John M.

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Yes, I too enjoy the Ed McCurdy recordings of When Dalliance Was in Flower -- all of which are on my website. These are songs are primarily derived from Thomas D'Urfey's Pills to Purge.

    I am looking for BAWDY FOLKSONGS that were learned from other people. Most people seem to have learned their traditional bawdy songs while in college, in the military, while playing sports (e.g. Rugby) or as a Hash House Harrier.

    So if any of you know any bawdy songs, would you be willing to sing them? I can make the recording anonymous if you prefer.

    If yes, you can email me directly at John Mehlberg.

    Any help will be appreciated.

    Sincerely,

    John Mehlberg
    ~
    Here is my current 3300 mp3 collection of -- mostly traditional -- bawdy songs: http://www.immortalia.com/sounds/download-bawdy-mp3-song.htm

    15 Jul 04 - 06:47 PM (#1226506)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: Uke

    Hello John

    Incredible website - congratulations...! And thanks too, a great resource...

    16 Jul 04 - 05:13 AM (#1226767)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: pavane

    Three drunken maidens (from the Isle of Wight) has a bawdy verse - omitted in recorded versions. I presume you already have that.

    I am not sure how traditional it is though - if and when that verse was collected.

    21 Sep 04 - 09:02 PM (#1277833)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: NightWing

    JWB asked, "Would someone be so kind as to define 'hashing', 'hash house' and 'harrier' songs? I've never encountered the terms before."

    The Hash House Harriers are the infamous international "drinking club with a running problem." You can find out more about the Hash at http://www.harrier.net.

    Like ruggers (rugby players, of course) we like to sing bawdy songs after our runs.

    ON-ON

    Little Head aka Shut Yer Manhole

    (and, here on the Mudcat, as NightWing)

    22 Sep 04 - 05:21 AM (#1278041)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: Forsh

    Here's another link for your perusal: BAWDY LINK
    Oh, and... "Remember the night, you fell in the shite, ya had ya best suite on, the one with the stripes,the one that ya baught with Embassy coupons, Magic, Moments, ...etc
    Filth, it's a great leveler!!

    13 Nov 04 - 01:46 PM (#1325769)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: John M.

    I am reviving this thread to ask for people to SING TO ME over the phone any rude rhymes & bawdy songs that they learned for a folklore project. People often think of these as rugby songs, military songs or hash house harrier songs and are traditional bawdy songs.

    If you know a rude rhyme or bawdy song, please send me an email at john AT mehlberg D-O-T com.   If you like I can keep the recording of you singing anonymous.

    Any help will be appreciated.

    Sincerely,

    John Mehlberg
    www.immortalia.com
    ~
    Common song titles:

        I Used To Work In Chicago
        The S&M Man
        My Name Is Jack
        Caviar Comes From the Virgin Sturgeon
        The Ball of Kirriemuir
        Sammy Small
        Sweet Violets
        Bang Away, Lulu

    13 Nov 04 - 09:44 PM (#1326145)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: Joe_F

    _The Dirty Song Book_ by Jerry Silverman (Stein and Day, 1982, out of print but seems to be pretty available) contains a lot of the old standards as well as some that I have not seen elsewhere.

    03 Mar 07 - 07:46 AM (#1984780)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: GUEST,Jack-o2007

    I wondered if anyone would know any other verses to the following, It also unknown where it originated.

    Tiddly-Winks ?

    Tiddly winks old beam, have you ever kissed a queen
    Have you ever seen a sailor eat a can od sardines
    Said the Captain of the lugger to another filthy bugger
    Let's have another drink before the ship goes down ... ..

    .........another ballad was:-

    Which really I only know one line - that I had been trying to fine if there is actually a more to it. I remember my father use to sing in while playing the banjo when we were kids, during the late 1960s.
    The line goes like:-

    Go home to ya mother, ya little black bugger
    You don't belong to me

    Another version, I heard from elsewhere (years later) was:

    Go home to ya mother, ya red-headed bugger
    You don't belong to me.

    IF ANYONE CAN HELP WITH ABOVE 3 - IT'LL BE GREAT......

    comedy_2000@hotmail.com

    10 Jun 10 - 07:09 AM (#2924487)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: GUEST

    sex ? anytime pal (6)..

    10 Jun 10 - 11:31 PM (#2925178)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: LadyJean

    Another catter, John Edwards, recorded me singing some naughty songs my mother taught me. (She was an unusual lady.) I'd be deligted to sing them for you too.

    01 Jul 10 - 01:45 AM (#2937693)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: GUEST,Jack-o

    Hi
    Does anyone know - when the following bawdy ballads were first recorded and are they in copyright?   1st one is Thrashing Machine which I cannot find any early versions before 1970.

    ROSIE ME GIRLFRIEND
    Rosie, Rosie me girlfriend
    She lets me touch her little twot
    I don't know if she likes it or not ----- (and so on)

    the other is

    ORGY AT BILLY MILLER'S RANCH
    I went out to an orgy
    At Billy Miller's ranch ----- (and so on)

    the last one

    POOR OLD BLUEY
    Bluey shot down from the scrub, running for his life
    Seems they caught old Dusty, screwing Bluey's wife
    We were siting drinking at the pub that day
    When Dusty had a bang bang bang, with Bluey's wife called May

    any help would be appreciated.

    J.

    03 May 11 - 10:19 PM (#3147430)
    Subject: RE: Folklore: Rude Rhymes & Bawdy Songs.
    From: GUEST,singdown

    Unfortunately, in 2011 neither John Mehlberg's email address nor his immortalia website are still functional. Anyone know where's he gotten to?