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22 Jul 04 - 12:52 AM (#1231131) Subject: Cat Stevens. From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Hello, Cat Stevens is one of my favourite singers, waht do you think about that? he used to be really good, but he went a bit odd, and decided to be a muslim, and he stopped singing then. [my boss is a muslim, they go to church on Fridays, instead of sundays, like christian people], i think jewish people go on Fridays as well, not sure really. |
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22 Jul 04 - 02:37 AM (#1231157) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST christian people can go to chirch any day they like - Sunday is just the day most people go - my mother goes about 5 times a week to various services Cat Stevens or whateve his name is now still sings I believe but moslems do not like accompanied singing and are more into acoustic music such as drums |
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22 Jul 04 - 02:47 AM (#1231158) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull oh. |
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22 Jul 04 - 03:43 AM (#1231170) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: John MacKenzie Cat Stevens is now Youssef Islam. The Jewish Sabbath is from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. A devout catholic can attend mass twice a day or more, for 7 days a week. I think that Moslems are supposed to pray 5 times a day, but I'm not 100% certain. We have the Free Church of Scotland known as The Wee Frees, which believes in total observation of the sabbath, and does not use musical instruments in the church. They use a system like the Jewish cantor, where someone leads off the hymn, and the rest join in. Gaelic hymn singing is an amazing thing to hear, and I recommend it to all folkies as being well worth the listen. Giok |
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22 Jul 04 - 03:57 AM (#1231174) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: el ted I bought all his albums up to and including "Numbers" which was pretty naff. Still love the previous ones and still play them.I understand he has a DVD out of his last American tour, and as I have NEVER seen any footage of him I would love to buy it, unfortunately I don't have a DVD player! Oh bugger! |
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22 Jul 04 - 04:21 AM (#1231187) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Ellenpoly There was a recent documentary about him in the UK a few months back. It followed his career and was just brilliant. I loved him, had all his records, and despaired when he quit and became a Muslim. But he has recently decided to get back into music, albeit from a more Islamic viewpoint. I think he has at least one, and maybe two CDs out by now...but you'll have to look for it under Yussif Islam I imagine, and not Cat Stevens, but I might be wrong about that. The money he makes goes in support of the Islamic schools he has helped organize. PS-Yes, Muslims do pray 5 times a day, and devout Jews pray three times a day, and devout Christians pray daily, and some of us pray whenever we like! ..xx..e |
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22 Jul 04 - 04:37 AM (#1231190) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Georgiansilver I still have Cat Stevens LPs in great condition and play them when I have time. On Gainsborough Festival Day...in the evening...at The Old Hall...we had a rendition of "Can't keep it in" from a local singer...not as good as Cat Stevens but nice to hear someone who is prepared to keep his music alive. May consider doing some myself at some point. Prayer is something I offer when I feel the need. Daily and sometimes several times a day. Great to have prayers answered! Be Blessed. |
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22 Jul 04 - 05:23 AM (#1231212) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Dave Hanson Yeh Ellenpoly, although Cat Stevens is now a good muslim he still draws his ' royalties, ' he may well support muslim schools but he also supported the fatwah to kill Salman Rushdie, a law abiding British citizen. So all you who carried on buying his records have the satisfaction of knowing you were also supporting a fatwah. He ought to fuck off and live in a muslim country if he likes it that much. eric |
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22 Jul 04 - 06:20 AM (#1231241) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k El Ted... get with the times man, and buy a DVD player. Paco De Lucia has a new DVD out. and i can lend you kate rusby and christy moore dvds. buy one you sadsack. Cat Stevens is great, i listen to him a lot, only got the best of album though. Moonshadow is greeat, wild world great, in fact all songs on that best of are great. |
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22 Jul 04 - 06:31 AM (#1231247) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GMT I got the DVD for my birthday and what I have seen of it, he performs very well. I too haven't seen him perform apart from a video I have of him. As far as the records, I stopped after Buddah and the Chocolate Box. The biography of him (which goes for strange amounts of money on ebay) is also quite enlightening. Cheers Gary |
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22 Jul 04 - 08:45 AM (#1231308) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Ellenpoly It's an interesting point you make, eric. But I pay for things all time without either knowing or approving where that money is going...including my taxes. If indeed Mr Stevens/Islam was idiotic enough to support a fatwah against Salmon Rushdie, then shame on him. But I will never stop appreciating the songs that were a great part of my emotional life for several decades because of what his religious or political leanings are now. There are certainly good ethical discussions to be had on this point that have probably been seen on Mudcat threads before...Can we support artists when we don't support their views in other areas? ..xx..e |
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22 Jul 04 - 08:54 AM (#1231313) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: el ted Cat Stevens is dead... Yousouf Islam took his place. I agree with Eric. At the time of the fatwa I bought "the satanic verses" as a sign of solidarity with Mr Rushdie, but jesus... I tried to read it but didn't get past page 1, talk about heavy going! |
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22 Jul 04 - 08:59 AM (#1231318) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Dave the Gnome I had all of them on vinyl and have just started collecting the CD versions. Trick is wait until HMV have them in the sale. They do one or two at a time so I have Mona Bone Jakon and Tea for the Tillerman. I believe Teaser and the Fircat and Tea for Catch Bull at Four are due..:-) In his recent documentary he says he never realy supported the fatwah but as he was an 'early' Islam at the time he said he belived whatever the Mullahs (or whatever) told him. Now he is an eminent Muslem himself he is in a position to argue against the church leaders and would do so against such a fatwah in future. Sounded genuine to me and if so I think we need more people like him to bring some aspects of Islam into the 21st century! Cheers DtG |
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22 Jul 04 - 09:05 AM (#1231322) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: el ted Why not just leave it in the 13th century where it belongs? |
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22 Jul 04 - 09:22 AM (#1231333) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Dave the Gnome Oooooh, ET. Hope you are not serious. You may find Cat Stevens coming after you with a big sword;-) Is it c13 for Moslems BTW? I thought they were up to 14 or 15 now? Just coming up to their Rennaisance:-) DtG |
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22 Jul 04 - 09:37 AM (#1231341) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: el ted I do mean it!! And yousouf can come and get me, because I know from his biography that he is a shortarse! I am a foot taller than him, so he would come off worse! |
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22 Jul 04 - 11:14 AM (#1231400) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,Hootenanny I started visiting this site because of a long interest in folk music and similar eg; music hall, jazz etc and much of the material here is inetersting. But why do we waste time and space on people like Steve Adams (sorry I can't remember his non-anglicised surname) |
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22 Jul 04 - 11:19 AM (#1231404) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k cat stevens = musician musician = listen to their music forget about his private life! |
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22 Jul 04 - 11:25 AM (#1231414) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: mooman Stephen Dimitri Georgiou Peace moo |
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22 Jul 04 - 11:32 AM (#1231417) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: mooman By the way Stephen Georgiou/Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam never supported the fatwah on Salman Rushdie. Read here for his own account. Peace moo |
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22 Jul 04 - 11:43 AM (#1231426) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,Hugh Jampton I wonder if Cat Stevens also advocates beating your wife where it doesn`t show like that sad soul that Ken Livingstone has invited again to London spout his venom. If so ,perhaps he could write a song about it! |
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22 Jul 04 - 11:58 AM (#1231435) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: mooman Looks like I made the right decision not returning to the UK if this is the level of general comment and knowledge concerning Islam. But I do not believe it to be so. moo (not Christian or Moslem) |
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22 Jul 04 - 12:11 PM (#1231442) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: el ted When in Rome, do as the Romans do. |
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22 Jul 04 - 01:52 PM (#1231525) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Little Hawk People should feel free to live wherever they want to, regardless of their religion, as far as I'm concerned. It's up to them to decide, not someone else who is offended by something negative that he associates with their religion. There are as many good things (in fact, more of them) that you could say about Muslims as you could bad things. Just depends what your focus is, that's all. I saw Cat Stevens once around about 1974, and he did a superb show. Philosophically speaking his songs didn't really grab me, but they sounded great. I bear him no ill will for converting to Islam. That's his business and nobody else's. |
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22 Jul 04 - 01:59 PM (#1231530) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: fat B****rd I liked (and bought) several of his post TB records. I still love "Lady D'Arbanville" in particular. His religion/politics are his business as he doesn't seem fanatical about it. |
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22 Jul 04 - 02:08 PM (#1231537) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: TheBigPinkLad Tea for the Tillerman brings back lots of good memories for me. Mostly about Mary M. and a trip to Windermere in a Morris Minor. I prayed like a bastard for 30 years and have never prayed since with exactly the same results. |
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22 Jul 04 - 03:40 PM (#1231603) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Big Al Whittle My thought about him is that it all happened a bit too easily for him. He was with a major record label since he was about 17. If he'd had to slog along unappreciated, like some great singer/songwriters do, with really just his belief in music to sustain him - then I don't think he would have cast it away so easily. The riches of the world were showered upon him and he had no idea of their value at all. I suppose I sort of feel sorry for him. |
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22 Jul 04 - 04:39 PM (#1231659) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Ed. weelittledrummer, that strikes me as a little simplistic. There are many who have handled early 'success' well, and many who haven't. There are many for whom the reverse (in terms of late 'success')is true. 'Morning has Broken' and 'The Wind' etc are enough for me... |
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22 Jul 04 - 05:11 PM (#1231687) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: open mike not all christians worship on sunday...seventh day adventists consider the sabbath to be saturday. i think they even try to forbid anything that involved work or exchanging of money...my borther in law once went way out of his way to get gas on friday so that he would not have to pump or pay on saturday. |
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22 Jul 04 - 07:18 PM (#1231741) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Big Al Whittle No I don't think I'm being simplistic, or simple minded or whatever. My feelings and thoughts are as profound as the next mans. Last year I lost a good friend, a guy called Roger Brooks, a Nottingham lad About the same age as Cat, maybe a year or two younger. He was physically beautiful, he was far better guitarist than Cat, his songs were stunning - some of the best songs written this century, a great performer - a committed musician. He just happened along in the middle of the great contemporary versus traditional debate, so mediocities obstructed his career. His songs were never played on the folk radio programs even. His status never really rose much above that of floor singer in England. he never had much more recognition than the guy reading the mole catcher from an exercise book and getting that wrong. So he ended up gigging pubs mostly abroad - presumably mostly to people who couldn't understand the wit and lyricism of his song writing. then we have Jack Hudson. Gifted with a voice of such depth and sweetness - yet festival organisers would rather let his talents go unheard by a decent sized audience..... Did Cat write morning has broken, I seem to remember singing it in primary school fifty years ago. One thing I feel pretty certain of, is that if he had had any appreciation at all of what God had given him - not just in terms of talent, but in terms of recognition. how exceptional was his financial and artistic success when placed along side of much more talented men. then whatever his route to God - Christian , Buddha, Moslem - it wouldn't involve such self conscious spirituality. A bit like TS Eliot's poetry after he found Anglicanism, somehow there is diminishment in his humanity. |
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22 Jul 04 - 07:23 PM (#1231745) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,Wyllow FYI.... Cat Stevens (or Yusef Islam) is actually mentioned in the Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie, but not by name; but it's obvious who he's talking about. He talks about "the young Englishman (or foreigner) with the beautiful voice (who converted to Islam)" ; and how he was doing radio shows for a radical Islamic radio station. Sorry I don't remember more; it's been ten years, probably, since I read the book. I always enjoyed his music, too... |
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22 Jul 04 - 08:02 PM (#1231770) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST Listen to "How Can I tell You" from Teaser and The Firecat,one of the greatest love songs of all time. Cat Stevens is a brilliant musician. Sadly he does not play his guitar anymore, I miss his music. |
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22 Jul 04 - 08:31 PM (#1231808) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Quoute [eric the red] "He ought to fuck off to a muslim country" eric-theres probably more practising muslims in England, than there are christians, church attendences are falling, whilst Mosque attendences are growing, and more new mosques are been built than churches. [I'm not a muslim, but many of my freinds are, it is a peaceful religon, its just a few nutters that spoil it, and give the rest of them a bad name]. Ted-you can get a decent DVD player from ASDA for less than £30, i got one a while ago, picture quality is exellent, it plays CDs and is Multi-Region, [plays imported DVD's]. |
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23 Jul 04 - 03:17 AM (#1231972) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k yes ted. buy one. NOW. cheap arse. "he ought to fuck off to a muslim country" OK, almost everyone in America is christian, so if youre a christian should you fuck off to america? Do you not see how religion causes more conflict than anything else... you are just proving this with your sad attitude that he should fuck off to a muslim country. Cat Stevens is great, i keep listening to the best of album now, i cant stop, its fantastic. Let Cat Stevens do whatever he wants to do in life, it is his life nobody elses and he has the right to live it how HE wants to. |
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23 Jul 04 - 03:59 AM (#1231983) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Dave the Gnome When in Rome, do as the Romans do. I guess the implication is that when in Britain do as the British do? Is that the Protestant English that still celebrate Novenber the 5th by burning an efigy of a Catholic? Or the Catholic British that blow up children in Warrington? Or the West Indian British that make their money in Moss Side with guns and drugs? Or is it the British that tolerate all religions and races? The ones who run the corner shops and take racist abuse with a smile? The ones who understand that a vocal minority are not representative of a whole race or religion? Is this turning into a very strange thread or am I having an odd turn? I thought it was a thread about a good singer/songwriter who, as far as I know, has never broken the law of the land or done anything to warrant deportation??? :-) Cheers DtG |
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23 Jul 04 - 04:10 AM (#1231989) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: mooman Quite Dave! Peace moo |
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23 Jul 04 - 06:05 AM (#1232034) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k dave the gnome has seen the light |
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23 Jul 04 - 07:00 AM (#1232059) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Dave Hanson Yo jOhn, personally I am an atheist but I firmly believe everybody should be free to hold any religion or belief as long as it does not interfere or impinge on others. I live in West Yorkshire and I too have muslim friends, Cat Stevens [ actually from a Cypriot background ] having been raised in this liberal country has adopted someone elses religion and like all other fanatics wanted to impose a corrupted version on others, maybe he is more liberal now ? I don't know, nevertheless he has had a priveliged upbringing in this country and ought to respect it better. eric |
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24 Sep 04 - 04:35 PM (#1280296) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Bonnie Shaljean He's in the news tonight, having been refused entry into the US on grounds of national security. He's says he's taking legal action. |
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25 Sep 04 - 01:27 AM (#1280566) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: The Shambles See this non-music related thread. BS Terrorist Cat Stevens Booted |
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25 Sep 04 - 05:18 AM (#1280621) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k see also thread "YET AGAIN THE BRITISH LAW IS SHITE" i cant believe they even dare not let cat stevens in the country, that well renowned peace supporter, who released a 4 disc box set after 9/11 and gave the money from it to the families of people who died there. all this must conclusively prove he is a terrorist...... |
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25 Sep 04 - 08:20 AM (#1280663) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: matai When 'Tea for the Tillerman' came out I had a couple of flatmates who made love to it every night in the room next door to me. Their favourite track was 'Hard Headed Woman' which they played over and over. I don't think I'll ever forget one lyric from that song or from the whole album. I was really sorry to hear about his treatment by the American government though. Sometimes I wonder if people like Yusef Islam are used to make some kind of example of. It is like he is being brought face to face with all the implications of his life choices. Imagine if we all had to go through that. I mean we all make mistakes or do things we shouldn't inadvertently sometimes. It is pretty scary stuff. I wish him well. |
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25 Sep 04 - 12:24 PM (#1280773) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,Christian Cat Stevens = muslim muslim = Evil wife beating head chopping bastards Simple hey? |
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25 Sep 04 - 01:45 PM (#1280843) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Lanfranc "Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky, Imagine all the people living for today... Imagine there's no countries, It isnt hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace..." Says it all, really... Alan |
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25 Sep 04 - 06:11 PM (#1281021) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: CarolC GUEST,Christian, here in the US, people who talk like you do wear white robes with pointy hoods, and they burn crosses when they get together with their friends. What do they wear in your part of the world? |
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25 Sep 04 - 08:52 PM (#1281095) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Haruo Personally, I would appreciate reading a good multifaceted discussion of Islamic teachings, traditions, prejudices and notions about music, but perhaps the Mudcat is not the most likely place to hold such a dialogue; probably best to hold it someplace where there are more (and diverse) Muslims. I must say I was hoping for a bit more musical content when I first clicked on this thread. Haruo |
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26 Sep 04 - 05:39 AM (#1281281) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k GUEST Christian, you little git, you need to grow a brain before you post here you stupid little shit, you think you can post stuff like that on here and get away with it because its on the internet, sad thing is you probably actually think this in real life too, and therefore i will hope that something incredibly nasty happens to you, that cripples you. its because of retards like you that there are all the wars etc in this world you stupid little prick, get the hell off this website, little shit. |
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26 Sep 04 - 06:16 AM (#1281291) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,christian Hey fuckhead s6k I hope the bearded mullahs capture and behaed you as you're wasting air which us humans need to breathe. - SHITFACE |
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26 Sep 04 - 06:27 AM (#1281292) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,Jonno It's because of WANKERS like s6k that stinking muslims are taking over the planet. |
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26 Sep 04 - 01:33 PM (#1281526) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,JTT I don't think he's stopped recording; Amazon lists an audiotape called A is for Allah by him (under the spelling Yusuf Islam, by the way, rather than Youssef). Oh, and two more called Prayers of the Last Prophet and The Life of the Last Prophet. My 2 euro cent: if a man gets religion and tries to live his life better because of it, I'm not about to object. The crazy wing of Islam seems to have got the upper hand at the moment, but most Muslims are perfectly decent people. As for wife-beating, just drop down to your friendly local outpatients (ER for Americans) next Saturday night and ask the battered wives their partners' religion; I doubt it'll universally be Muslim. Was watching a good programme on TV last night about Gram Parsons, God rest him. What a sad waste.... if he'd found religion rather than the kind of solutions he found, maybe he'd still be making good music, or at least living a happy life. By the way, DVD playerss are dead cheap nowadays; Amazon.co.uk has one for something like £35, a Yakumo. I got one and it's really, really good. |
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26 Sep 04 - 01:37 PM (#1281530) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,JTT Oh, and the Satanic Verses thing. Yes, he did say that blaspheming against the Prophet was punishable by death under Islamic law; I think, though I'm open to correction, that he later acknowledged that this was an idiotic thing to say. |
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26 Sep 04 - 01:44 PM (#1281535) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,JTT One last thing and I'll shut up; when I first listened to Hard-Headed Woman I thought he was saying: "I'm looking for a hard-headed woman, who'll make me do my bed..." Always imagined a really tough babe: "Get back in that room and make your bed or you're not going out to play. I mean NOW! Put that guitar down when I'm talking to you!" |
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27 Sep 04 - 12:04 AM (#1281948) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: RWilhelm It proves we're winning the war against singer/songwriters. |
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27 Sep 04 - 12:33 AM (#1281960) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: JedMarum When I lived in the Boston area in the 70's and early 80's - all the Pubs had large jars on the bar - "HELP THE CHILDREN OF NORTHERN IRELAND" sort-of fund raisers, continously being filled with folding money and coins ... rumor has it those jars funded more ammo then milk. Cat Stevens's charities are suspected of the same sort of thing. I don't know if either is true - but I understand why US immigration folks look into those matters very carefully. I understand why they consider who is allowed in to visit our country, and under what circumstances. His attorneys are looking into the matter? Maybe Cat Stevens can change their mind ... |
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27 Sep 04 - 11:03 AM (#1282287) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Paco Rabanne I DID IT! I BOUGHT A DVD PLAYER!!!! went into HMV on saturday to purchase Cat Stevens DVD, but they didn't bloody have it, so I came away with "the old grey whistle test 1970 to 1980. Absolutely fab! Edgar Winter band doing Frankenstein is divine. |
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27 Sep 04 - 11:12 AM (#1282300) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k i wanna see that dvd! i was also in HMV on saturday, however my purchases were a Yes dvd, and a bob marley dvd. i searched for the paco de lucia dvd, but no. also i am led to wonder why there is no martin carthy or any form of Carthy... in dvd format. maybe in time.. |
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27 Sep 04 - 11:27 AM (#1282316) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: Paco Rabanne Mr Carthy's new album was on prominent display though which was good to see. The OGWT dvd is a corker, lynryd skynryd, little feat, alex harvey, captain beefheart etc etc |
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27 Sep 04 - 01:47 PM (#1282421) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k captain beefheart doing This is The Day (if thats the one on the dvd) on whistle test.... that is simply amazing. lynyrd skynyrd freebird is also an ace version on there. but on the other dvds we must see Marillion doing forgotten sons, that was great |
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27 Sep 04 - 03:23 PM (#1282472) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: GUEST,JTT Well-wear the new DVD, Ted! Many years of happy watching to you! |
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27 Sep 04 - 04:34 PM (#1282518) Subject: RE: Cat Stevens. From: s6k keep your eyes peeled for good deals on volume 2 and 3 as well ted, i would like those too... but not at 20 quid! |