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10 Aug 04 - 01:47 PM (#1244252) Subject: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Murray MacLeod Maybe I should have written "Typeface" instead of "Font", what do I know... Anyway, I have just discovered that if you hold down CTRL and roll the wheel on the mouse, you can make the type size on Mudcat larger or smaller. I cannot believe I am the first person ever to discover this, so I would be most grateful if some obliging soul would post a link to a previous post where this is mentioned, lest I become inordinately smug and self-satisfied with my "discovery". |
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10 Aug 04 - 01:48 PM (#1244254) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Amos This is a feature of Internet Explorer, not a feature of the Cat. A |
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10 Aug 04 - 01:49 PM (#1244257) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: GUEST,MMario my mouse doesn't have a wheel. I feel slighted. |
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10 Aug 04 - 01:54 PM (#1244265) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: The Borchester Echo I didn't know you could do that! However, you can change the font and typeface size in your browser preferences. I've got it in Comic Sans 18 pt so that I can read it and it looks pretty. |
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10 Aug 04 - 01:54 PM (#1244266) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Stilly River Sage I don't know if there is a discussion about that, but it is a useful tool. I don't use it often because my trackball has so many things it can do that I sometimes end up messing up the whole screen trying to do one thing like that. Another way to more permanently enlarge your fonts is to go into the "View" then to "Text size" and choose from several sizes. Also, depending on how you set your monitor resolution, the font will be proportionately larger or smaller. Since I have my resolution set high for the web design work I do, I have the fonts set a little larger so they appear "normal" rather than tiny. SRS |
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10 Aug 04 - 01:56 PM (#1244275) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Murray MacLeod I am using the AOL browser, Amos, and there are many sites I visit on which it is NOT possible to do this. |
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10 Aug 04 - 02:04 PM (#1244287) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Bill D various browser do this in different ways....the mouse wheel works in Firefox, too...as does CTRL + and CTRL - In Opera there are a couple of ways... |
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10 Aug 04 - 02:14 PM (#1244296) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Scooby Doo Well i learnt something tonight Murray that i did not know before thanks. |
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10 Aug 04 - 02:24 PM (#1244311) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Murray MacLeod Perhaps some of the tech wizards here can explain why it is possible to do this on some sites and not possible on others ? Go to This page for example and try to alter type sizes. Can't be done. |
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10 Aug 04 - 02:34 PM (#1244320) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: JohnInKansas The mousewheel zoom is actually a feature of the mouse, and isn't built into IE. I can't comment on the other browsers. If you have a "wheel mouse," and it works in IE, it should work in almost any program. For those without a fancy mouse, if you really want to "zoom" on something on the net, with IE you can click on Print Preview, and in Print Preview ONLY, Alt+ and Alt- will zoom you in and out. When you've finished looking, just use Close instead of Print to go back to the "real" page. (Handy for reading the fine print in EULAs.) John |
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10 Aug 04 - 02:40 PM (#1244326) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: JohnInKansas MurryMacLeod - The mousewheel zoom works for me on the site you linked, although the page is laid out in tables and the layout gets rather flaky when you change text size too far. Since this is a MOUSE feature, the particular wheelmouse and driver you have may affect what you get. John |
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10 Aug 04 - 02:50 PM (#1244335) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Murray MacLeod John, I have a feeling that my link directed you to the new site, on which this feature does indeed work, rather than their old site, which is currently running in tandem ... Just to satisfy my curiosity, could you click Here and tell me if you can alter the typeface using your mouse ? |
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10 Aug 04 - 03:18 PM (#1244362) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: McGrath of Harlow Works the other way too, making it smaller if you turn the wheel the other way. (With Firefox anyway.) I think I'll continue to use the menu at the top of the page to change type size as I have till now - but this is an interesting new trick to know about. Thanks, Murray. |
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10 Aug 04 - 03:26 PM (#1244371) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: JohnInKansas Murray - The mousewheel zoom doesn't work for me on that page. Source for the page has a lot of Java junk, and I have most Java "features" turned off. That may have something to do with the lack of flexibility in the display. The source also specifies quite a lot of the text by point size, rather than the preferred relative sizes that let your browser do fit-to-screen display. Sites that conform to recognized standards should recognize the mouse zoom. Apparently these guys are among the many who feel they're too clever to be bound by what the rest of the world does - or who just don't know how to do it conventionally(?). John |
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10 Aug 04 - 04:05 PM (#1244412) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Blackcatter Also, it's no surprise to many of us former AOL users that the AOL browser may still be less than state-of-the-art. |
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10 Aug 04 - 04:14 PM (#1244430) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: treewind It works for me, with Galeon (basically the Mozilla browser) on Linux. It should work on most sites. It possible that a site can specify font sizes using CSS in such a way that you can't override it, or renders the text as graphics (ugh! how brain dead is that?) It's not just a mouse feature - it has to be supported in all applications that use it, but any application that supports some kind of "zoom" view menu item should work - I think the mouse driver sends "zoom in" and "zoom out" messages to the application. Anahata |
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10 Aug 04 - 04:46 PM (#1244473) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: open mike i will try the wheel thing here, but what i really want to know is how to do colors, invisible text and change the size of the text that will be seen on the screen by others when they open the thread... |
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11 Aug 04 - 03:09 AM (#1244510) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: The Fooles Troupe Interesting - on the original site (the 2nd link) - only the text below the copyright bar, and a few spaces between the boxes changed. OpenMike look up some HTML coding reference sites (someone will provide links I'm sure) The necessary commands to look for are 1) Font Color = (setting the font colour to the background colour makes it seem 'invisible') there are a few common color names, but you can specify the absolute color as a string of numbers 2) Font Size = you can also force the font name to be specific if you really want - but if the viewer does not have that font, a default font will be substituted. Also IE can be set to ignore the author specified font and display fonts specified by the viewer. |
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11 Aug 04 - 03:37 AM (#1244521) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Rasener I always use View, Textsize Then select the size you prefer Largest Larger Medium Smaller Smallest Plus you can select Tools, Internet Options Select the General Tab and then click on the FONT button and change your font style and then click on the COLOUR button and change your font colours etc |
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11 Aug 04 - 03:41 AM (#1244523) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Bo Vandenberg Mozilla or Firebird Control and the + sign makes text bigger Control and the - sign makes things smaller If you don't run one of the above browsers you really should give them a try. They are standards compliant, well maintained software available for free. Internet Explorer cannot compare IMHO. |
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11 Aug 04 - 03:47 AM (#1244527) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: treewind It's nice to see Firebird getting a good press and to see that many people are using it. It really is nice, and of course it doesn't suffer from nearly as many security problems as IE. Now if ony some people would stop designing sites that are so exclusive they only work on one browser... Anahata |
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11 Aug 04 - 05:42 AM (#1244586) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: JohnInKansas One thing to note with the mouse wheel zoom in IE, if you zoom using the mouse wheel, and exit IE without returning to your normal zoom, you may (or may not) find that the text size setting has been changed the next time you open IE. If you plan to use this feature, it would be well to remember where to reset your defualt display. Any "Windows compliant" program should have the "hooks" to zoom the display, but the mouse you use also has to incorporate in its driver that Ctl+wheel rotation means zoom. With some mouse drivers, you can enable/disable the feature, and some "accessibility settings" may also affect whether it's available. Other kinds of input devices can use the hook in the program, if it's there, with another kind of input. Some touchpad/stylus devices use tapping the stylus in specific areas of the pad, just as one example. Re the well-known security problems with IE, big Mickey is on the verge of, or may have started, distributing the new WinXP-SR2 which is reported as containing numerous fixes to IE as part of the package. This is a pretty major overhaul, and is recommended by all the experts I've heard from. If you use XP, and haven't done so, it is strongly urged that you turn on "automatic updates" so that they can dribble this fix to you in the background. The full SR2 package reportedly can be as much as 300 to 500 MB if you're behind on previously issued updates, which is a rather long download even on a fairly fast connection. (A CD version reportedly will be available "in a few weeks." Hold your breath for that one.) John |
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11 Aug 04 - 10:58 AM (#1244786) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Bill D open mike--- about colors and such
you mean like this? I cheat and use a little program.... http://www.theill.com/hfc/ |
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11 Aug 04 - 11:38 AM (#1244818) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Rasener My name is The Villan I supportAstonVilla |
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11 Aug 04 - 11:45 AM (#1244827) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Rasener This is how I did it My name is The Villan I supportAstonVilla Copy the coding above and paste it into a new post, change the text accordingly. You do not need the hash sign in front of a code anymore. You can learn to do HTML from the following website. You can also find pages that give you the colour codes etc. http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/basics.html |
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11 Aug 04 - 12:42 PM (#1244882) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Rasener Try that again. Should have it correct now <FONT COLOR="DC143C">My name is The Villan</FONT> <FONT FACE="algerian"<FONT COLOR="800000">I support</FONT><FONT SIZE="7" COLOR="00FFFF">Aston</FONT><FONT SIZE="7" COLOR="800000">Villa</FONT> |
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11 Aug 04 - 02:23 PM (#1244961) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: bluenose re Murray McLeod it works on mine through view/text |
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11 Aug 04 - 07:29 PM (#1245300) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Murray MacLeod bluenose, I am not sure to what you are referring here. If you are talking about Mudcat, then yes , that works. If you mean the first link I put up Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: Murray MacLeod - PM Date: 10 Aug 04 - 02:24 PM then it doesn't work. Nor does it work on the second link I put up. I am sure that John of Kansas is correct in his explanation, which as always goes over my head, but which nonetheless I find fascinating ... |
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12 Aug 04 - 02:22 AM (#1245532) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: JohnInKansas A sort of "key" to what this whole zoom thing (Ctl+Mousewheel) is about may be had from the fact that: it works in Microsoft Word, it works in Microsoft Excel, it even works in my DeLorme Highway Map program that is so old nobody had thought about having a wheel on a mouse when it came out, it works in most, but not all, web pages in IE on my main machine. I'll note incidentally, that it doesn't just change the type size, it "zooms" the whole screen in "normal" programs. A second thing to note is that this particular feature is NOT documented in help files for Win95, Win98, Win2K, or WinXP. ALL of these say "See the documentation for your mouse for additional information." If you just plug a mouse with a wheel into your machine, the PNP (Plug and Play) feature in Windows should detect that the mouse has a wheel, and the zoom feature will probably work in most programs that enable it (and most programs should enable this feature) using the Windows default mouse driver. The only use for the wheel that is documented in Windows Help is for scrolling, and you can go to Control Panel - Mouse and change things like how many lines one "step" on the "scroll wheel" advances the page. Most "mouse kits" come with a small program disk though, that includes a driver specific to the mouse. IF you install the "device specific driver" that comes with the mouse, you may or may not find a number of "extra features" are available. The only place where any "extra features" are likely to be documented will be on the disk that comes with the mouse. Some mouse installation programs may put a "mouse help" file on the machine, but it's not too common. You can have more than one mouse installed at the same time, if you really want to confuse yourself. Each mouse can have its own device specific driver with different features. A mouse can have up to 7 (the most I've seen) BUTTONS and up to 3 WHEELS (again, I haven't seen one with more wheels than that, but they may exist). "MousePads" used with some CAD programs may have 30 or more buttons, and more exotic devices. The current "standard" mouse is probably the one with two buttons and one wheel. The wheel may be rotated to scroll or may be pushed to "click." Earlier wheel mouse devices may not have the "wheel click" switch. The usual function of the "wheel click" is to place an "anchor" on the screen. When you "click" the wheel by pressing it down, a "splat" appears on the screen. If you move the mouse up or down from the "splat," the screen scrolls at a speed roughly proportional to how far you move away from the marker. A second wheel "click" removes the anchor. Any action that a Windows compliant program can perform can be assigned to any input from any I/O device as a "shortcut." MOST actions that are assignable appear in one of the menus in most programs; but there are a whole bunch of others that require a little more exotic "command line." If you go into Tools - Macros in most Windows programs you can find a list of functions sufficient to confuse nearly any of us. Any function that appears there can be "put on a toolbar" or "in a menu listing" in nearly any Windows program. (IE is an exception, and is not set up for you to mess with the menus and toolbars.) Any "special function" your mouse performs in a given program is most likely just a "quick key" assignment, built into the driver for that mouse. Since you can set the same "shortcut keys" to do different things in different programs, what happens is pretty much up to the person who "assigned" the device signals to the functions that person wanted - or "knew" you would want. IF there are any "unconventional" assignments, they should be documented on the disk that came with your mouse. Unfortunately, things you may not know about, that the "programmer" thought were "standard functions," may be ignored in the documentation; but usually there's at least some help there. The documentation for your mouse may tell you how to change what the buttons and wheel do, if you want to do so. You can, in effect, change the size of stuff on your screen in Control Panel - Display by changing the screen resolution. If you haven't looked there, you may be able to get something you like better; but the settings that work will depend on what your monitor can do. Many laptops (with LCD displays) insist on a particular resolution, and won't let you change - especially to a higher resolution. Except in very rare circumstances NO PROGRAM should ever change the screen resolution you set here. I have seen a very few "Flash" sites that ask to change your resolution to suit their pages. They should open a new window at the resolution they want you to use, they should not change to a setting your monitor can't handle, and should revert to what you have set when you close that window. (They don't always do what they should.) In the same Control Panel - Display area, you can set whether you want large, medium, or small type and icons. If you use a high screen resolution, you likely will want to kick the sizes up a little. Nearly all Windows compliant programs offer a zoom setting, under View on the top toolbar. Internet Explorer is an exception, since there is no zoom available on the View menu. There is also no Format section on the IE toolbar, which is where you normally would change font sizes, and no Macro section under Tools to permit you to change the items on the menus and toolbars. This does not mean that the omitted functions won't work; but for some fairly obvious reasons you're not supposed to "work them" just by clicking - or mess with the toolbars. If your mouse implements a zoom, or a font-size change, it may work in IE, and should on a "compliant" html page. If the page designer has used "exotic" methods in setting up the page, the zoom function may not work. ["Nothing is idiot proof, because idiots are too damned clever."] Since whether it works depends on the page that's posted, you can't change it. If you can't FIX IT, it's not a PROBLEM. It's a "situation" you should ACCOMODATE or IGNORE. Those who actually feel a need for this mousewheel zoom should perhaps be aware that in WinXP, and possibly in some earlier versions, in Start - Programs - Accessories -Accessibility there is a "Magnifier" that presents a very much enlarged view in a small inset window. As implemented, it's marginally useful; and there are specialized programs you should look at if you really need this kind of help. But it's there. If you want to use it to try it out, I'd suggest putting a shortcut on your desktop so you can turn it on and off easily. John |
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12 Aug 04 - 04:10 AM (#1245574) Subject: RE: Tech: How to Change Mudcat Font size From: The Fooles Troupe Win95 & Win98 had the magnifier (95 may have had it in the Plus pack) |