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20 Aug 04 - 09:05 AM (#1251891) Subject: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse From my vantage point, the "ugly period" as McGrath referred to this summer at Mudcat, seems to be a problem with truly obnoxious flaming and trolling by members. Now, there ought to be a way for people to keep their threads on topic. Ignoring disruptive behavior in a thread is usually not that difficult, unless one feels they must engage with the person because they are accepted members of the forum. But one really doesn't need to comment upon another person's inflammatory posts, just because it's there. It can be ignored. Shunning works. Those members who are currently showing a very ugly/very stupid side to themselves WILL change their behavior and do so quickly, if they are ignored consistently by everyone participating in a serious thread. The strident religion threads are getting a bit tiresome. I haven't seen a decent political thread in weeks now--it's all right wing screeds and trolling. And the Brit driven shite and rubbish threads are really a bore. I'd like to say the music threads are a good alternative, but there hasn't been much of interest there either. It seems like the forum has been taken over by lager louts and frat boy types. These are the times when Clinton Hammond's arguments for forum moderation might be listened to and appreciated. This place is WAY out of control. |
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20 Aug 04 - 09:35 AM (#1251923) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Leadfingers The only thing to do with any one who is obnoxious in here is to ignore them . |
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20 Aug 04 - 09:36 AM (#1251927) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Midchuck Oh, come on, let me stay! I'll be good! I won't say anything contrary to the conventional assumptions of modern-day liberalism and political correctness, I promise! And when the list gets so bland and dull that it isn't worth bothering with, because all contrary opinion has been stamped out, I'll leave voluntarily. Peter. |
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20 Aug 04 - 09:59 AM (#1251965) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse Peter, for now, the majority of posters in the forum are progressive socially and politically, so for the socially and politically conservative posters to expect a miraculous change in that regard seems unrealistic at best, and when the conservative posters start hijacking the threads with invective because they feel outnumbered and overwhelmed, destructive at worst. While I agree there are problems among a certain group of MC members with low tolerance of people with different opinions from their own being able to effectively articulate their position rather than attacking the person they disagree with, that does usually get sorted out in the course of the thread. The problems, as I see them, aren't with people holding different political and social views. They are with the ways people react to the people with different political and social views. The problems are with the apolitical and nonpolitical posters hijacking political threads out of boredom and being ignored by those who come here to discuss the political and social issues of the day--that is, discuss the contexts in which we are making our art. Today's headlines are tomorrow's folk song titles in many instances. The political and social issues have relevance to this particular type of a forum, because so much folk music springs from political and social concerns. Not all folk music. But a good enough portion of it to be a relevant aspect of discussion in a folk music forum. I'm not, however, convinced of the relevance of William Shatner, Is Cricket Shite, and fart threads. And when the people who are largely here for inane, mindless entertainment not only encroach upon the serious discussions, but running them out of the forum altogether, I think people have a right to be aggravated by that. And to say so. And then there are all the members who feel justified pulling out their flamethrowers without giving it a second thought, because they feel they have been wronged in the past. If people could just stay in the moment, and keep their trigger finger off the 'Submit Message' button when reading something from someone they disagree with, things wouldn't be quite such an abomination. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:11 AM (#1251986) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST The list is already dull and bland, but it isn't because there are more progressives than conservatives. It's because the BS and music sections both have been taken over by the lager louts. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:18 AM (#1251992) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Georgiansilver "And the Brit driven shite and rubbish threads are really a bore". GUEST Treehouse...are you not guilty of what you are accusing others of?? |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:21 AM (#1251994) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: HRH ted of hull Transport them to Australia!!! oh.... apparently we don't do that anymore. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:22 AM (#1251996) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous Guest, Treehouse. Do you take a crap everyday? You sound pretty constipated to me. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:25 AM (#1252000) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse Perhaps. But I'm not taking over THEIR threads. Mutual respect and live and let live is the only way for the forum to remain viable. So why can't the jokesters back the hell off? Don't like politics and religion threads--ignore them. Don't come into them with the intention of wrecking them. If you don't like/can't function in the argument/debate mode, and wrongly interpret someone strongly arguing with your opinion as getting personal when they aren't (because you don't like conflict, are thin skinned, or whatever), then stay out of the debate/argument threads, instead of taking out the flamethrowers or starting a nasty, personal attack thread against the person who you feel has wronged you. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:31 AM (#1252008) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous I like political threads. Vote Republican. I like religious thread. Jesus is not the messiah See? |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:32 AM (#1252010) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Those who interject a humorous aside into the political/religous threads are NOT ruining them for me. It is all part of converation. If someone doesn't like their beliefs questioned, it is very simple...keep them to themselves. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:38 AM (#1252020) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bee-dubya-ell Who's obnoxious? I put up with all of 'em. I figure anyone with nothing better to do than hang out down here in the BS section of this forum is no more and no less fucked up than I am regardless of their politics, religion etc. Let 'em do whatever they need to do to get off. So what if someone's an asshole? When I had a "real job" I often met a genuine, real-life, 3D asshole every few minutes. It's a helluva lot easier to ignore them here than when they're in your face. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:41 AM (#1252027) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Dave Bryant "And the Brit driven shite and rubbish threads are really a bore" But it is British rubbish and shite ! - perhaps it's less boring to us Brits than corresponding American threads. Correspondence, even of the more trite variety always works best between friends and aquaintances, and because this country is a smaller place than the US, we do tend to know each other. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:43 AM (#1252030) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: HRH ted of hull Good point Dave. I rub shoulders with dozens of mudcatters every weekend. |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:43 AM (#1252031) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: wysiwyg Everything one person likes is detested by others, that's life. Accusing people of being obnoxious is obnoxious itself. Oh look now I've done it too. See what I mean? ~S~ |
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20 Aug 04 - 10:54 AM (#1252052) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse It is attitudes like that, bee dubya ell, that are so intolerant. What you are saying is, anything goes. What many here are saying is, if anything goes, than you don't ever get anything of quality. You don't get anything of value. You just get a big pile of crap. The site owner's refusal to allow moderation is the real problem here, just as it always has been. "Reasonable" members once argued vociferously against moderation just a few summers ago, because they really enjoyed flaming guests. Those same members are now being overwhelmed and driven away from the forum by assholes pouring into the BS section, and trashing the place, because they can get away with it on the argument that because it is a "BS" section, it means that they get to take out their information superhighway road rage on anyone they encounter here. Maybe people should learn to watch what they ask for, because what we have now is a perfect example of what comes with absolutely no effort. So, if the music threads are dull and repetitive, and most rarely get more than 10 posts, and the BS section continues to be tolerated as the shit hole for the music section, why would anyone with a legitimate interest in folk and blues music be enticed to come in and stay awhile? What in god's name makes any of you in the "anything goes in the BS section" camp, think that having a road rage forum is going to make this place viable? There are literally thousands of discussion forums on the internet that have had to be abandoned because nobody was willing to do the hard work of policing themselves and one another, to keep the forum clean. That is really what this is about. bee dubya ell, you just don't want ANYONE here telling you to follow some basic rules of decency when interacting with others here. You want to burp and fart and peoples' faces? Well, fine. Just don't expect many people to want to be in your company, except those who burp and fart right back at you, and find the whole exercise entertaining. But that isn't what most folk music enthusiasts come here for. But then, the asshole members who have taken over this place aren't coming here for the cafe atmosphere. It's the lager lout pub atmosphere that rules here, because in 3D life, the lager louts are being driven to fringes of society in Britain, and the more civilized cafe society is taking over. I guess the Mudcat BS part of the Mudcat Cafe forum is one of the places online where the lager louts and lassies have decided to make a stand, because they know no one here will stop them. Which is why the folkies are pretty much out of here. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:00 AM (#1252061) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Cluin Have a beer, Treehouse and relax. A word of advice: below the line, take nothing seriously. It's better that way. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:02 AM (#1252065) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Beast of Farlington You use a lot of cursing and blasphemy to make your point, don't you Treehouse? Don't you think you might just be hanging yourself by your own petard? |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:15 AM (#1252083) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk How anyone can imagine that jokes about William Shatner could harm a forum or its participants is beyond me. The beloved Catspaw49 (otherwise known as Spaw) has perpetrated much similar humour on this forum, but not so much lately because he is stuck with a slow computer. How do Shatner and the WSSBA differ substantially from the NYCFFTS, Paw & Cletus, the Reg Boys, Cleigh O'Possum, the Little Pissant, voting for Millard Fillmore, and various other silly running jokes that Spaw put on this forum...all of which drew their own audience of adherents who laughed along with the joke...while some others didn't. I am a folkie. So are numerous other people here to whom I assume you are objecting when they don't meet your expectations. However, I don't think you've said nearly enough, Treehouse. No, not nearly enough. I would welcome a 5,000 word post from you to further explain your position. Even a 15,000 word post. Tell us more, by all means! Get it ALL off your chest. It'll keep you off the streets for awhile, I figure. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:15 AM (#1252085) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse No, because swearing and cursing isn't the problem. Look, the Brit lager louts and lassies are being locked out of all the major European capitals, and entire European countries are banning this very behavior we are tolerating here at Mudcat. That is all I'm saying. You want "anything goes" by this standard, and the first thing to go will be folk and blues music discussions, just as we've seen happen this summer. There is no difference between the British and American versions of this--the "gone wild" American thing is exactly the same. Rude, offensive, stupid, banal. Day in, day out this summer, that's all we've seen here. It's either going to sink this ship, or the rats will be driven off it. It's that simple. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:18 AM (#1252089) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse What we are seeing now is most definitely the downhill slide begun by the Catspaws and Little Hawks. The jerks that have taken over here are your descendants, because you made sure you stacked the decks against anyone who called you on your appalling behavior. If the shoe fits... |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:21 AM (#1252092) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Tell me more...I am honored to be ranked in a Rogue's Gallery with Spaw. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:23 AM (#1252094) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull blar blar blar, stop moaning. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:23 AM (#1252095) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Beast of Farlington "Day in, day out this summer, that's all we've seen here" - that is somewhat of an exaggeration "The jerks that have taken over here are your descendants" - charming! you don't help your case when you use the same methods you despise |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:24 AM (#1252096) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos Treehouse: I share your resentment towards the high volume of deliberate inanaity and cultivated stupidity which ahs been coloring the Cat of late. I have never seen so much drivel in my life, outside of some grade-school recesses, and it saddens me that a place of good will and tolerance, humor and intelligence, should be so cluttered up with cultivated mindlessness and what I think of as passive aggression. It is not as though counting to 100 is funny, or as though mimicking threads discussing something real by starting threads that are just empty blather about unreality adds anything to the communication. There's the rub--the desire to communicate is being suborned by those who wish to pour oiut nbon-communication, as if seeking to drown communication because they can't bear the thought of people understanding each other. It is not my habit to promote intolerance, but I hate to see a beautiful place so littered with trash and the refuse of indifference, uncaring and unthoughtful. Amos |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:24 AM (#1252097) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST The peasants are revolting. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:26 AM (#1252100) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse "you don't help your case when you use the same methods you despise" There is always a time for honesty, and this is it for me. I don't anyone rushing to the defense of this behavior except those who routinely engage in it. Gee, wonder why that is. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:29 AM (#1252107) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST They're changing the guards at Buckingham Palace. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:29 AM (#1252108) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull too many moany people about nowadays. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:32 AM (#1252113) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jim Dixon Ignore them. Don't argue with them. Don't respond to them. If you must discuss them with others, do it in Personal Messages. If you have gotten into unpleasant arguments in the past, re-read the old threads to (1) see how you contributed to the escalation of the rhetoric, (2) decide at what point you could have bowed out gracefully, and (3) see whether you could have interpreted another person's remarks in a more generous way. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. (That is, you're one of the people that others shouldn't respond to.) |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:33 AM (#1252114) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Amos-you moan about the BS, I've just clicked on your name! Have you ever posted to a music thread??? |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:36 AM (#1252120) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse As I said in the first thread Jim Dixon, shunning does work, quite effectively. But there are also times when we need to draw attention to the mess in here. Ignoring that it's a mess doesn't help either. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:37 AM (#1252123) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Oh, it happens, all right, Amos, and I've noticed it too. Who hasn't? I don't in the least mind people who make goofy jokes, while frequently also having something worthwhile to say. I do find it tedious when someone has absolutely nothing worthwhile to say or when they are repeatedly, deliberately offensive or mean-spirited...not in a way that makes a useful point, but out of sheer hostility. I do not wish, however, that I could control them, because it's not my business to control other people. I find this forum interesting, because it's a microcosm of the World. You encounter all possibilities here, as you do in the World. That means...either you adapt and grow up emotionally...or you storm off in a huff, because the forum isn't as you would like it to be. You can do that in the World too. You can buy a house in a gated community, hire guards, grow big hedges around on all sides, and complain about how awful the people on the outside are. I feel sorry for someone who reacts that way to life. Those who wish to improve the World must make a positive input to it themselves. I do. Spaw does. You do. Carol does. Bobert does. Lots of us do. I have no idea who Treehouse is and as yet no evidence of a positive input on his or her part. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:42 AM (#1252129) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Georgiansilver mmmmm Yes Guest Treehouse...their are lager louts in UK and Europe generally..I assume you are in the US...Do you feel safe when you walk down the streets there..we hear of people being shot frequently in US..Big news when someone goes mad with a gun eh??? Think I would rather take my chances with the lager louts thank you. I love the music threads, reading many of them often and learning some things from them. I love to use the non-music threads.... occasionally, in a lighthearted way...not like some who take it so seriously!!!! If that's your bag friend then please just live with it and stop blaming anything other than yourself for getting so involved with the whole issue. Best wishes. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:48 AM (#1252134) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage It hardly gets noticed when something gets posted the the music threads and in the tech threads that help us keep our computers running and lines of communications open. The books were pulled out and citations offered on the King Arthur thread a couple of days ago--hardly a blip since. But going to that trouble and not getting a response is better than the nonsense below the line lately. It's time for a few virtual dope slaps. SRS |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:49 AM (#1252135) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Ebbie As no doubt, iyo, one of the people sliming these halls with drivel, I mght point out that threads and posts with pointed humor are far different from those loaded with invective and insult. And that, imo, is where the difficulty lies. If one does not get the humor or does not appreciate a humorous point, it is easy to slide over that particular post. Invective, on the other hand, is meant to be unpleasant and hurtful. So, Treehouse, imo, you are using too broad a brush. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:49 AM (#1252136) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: HRH ted of hull ( put sensible head on....) Maybe it's time to hear from the people that own this mudcat to declare whether they are happy with the way it's going or not? Maybe some of us, myself included, ought to bugger off. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:57 AM (#1252143) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peter K (Fionn) I haven't seen much in the way of Mudcat wars, but agree that an increasing proportion of content is sheer drivel - much of it indeed Brit driven (along the lines of what's going to happen next in someone's favourite soap). The Shatner and Cletis stuff I can live without (and fear not, LH, I don't think many mudcatters would put your humour up there with Spaw's), and I share Joe Offer's aversion to the hugs and prayers threads. A lot can be ignored,but a lot can't because it is intertwined parasitically with useful content. For instance threads about Mudcat gatherings contain essential details for those planning to attend, yet are frequently over-run by inane chit-chat which at best amounts to private natter between people who know each other, and which has the effect of making others feel excluded. I considered inviting some serious musicians to the last "Loughstock" gathering, but knew that if I referred them to the relevant thread I would be exposing Mudcat at its most puerile. |
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20 Aug 04 - 11:58 AM (#1252145) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse I don't know about your world Little Hawk, but the Mudcat Cafe this summer doesn't even remotely reflect it. Georgiansilver, I live in an urban neighborhood in the US. Yes, we have the equivalent of the laddie/lager louts and lasses behavior in the US, it is known by many names. Beer boys. Frat boys. Girls gone wild. Those are all labels put upon the worst aspects of anti-social behavior while no one in authority is looking. That is what this is really about. People from both sides of the Atlantic are behaving badly in the Mudcat Cafe because there is no authority figure here to stop them from doing it. That is why they only inhabit unmoderated internet chat forums. They get thrown out of the moderated forums for their bad behavior. For good reason. Which is why a good number of old timers like Little Hawk keep claiming that moderation is the equivalent of censorship. It isn't. Forum moderation is where a group of people agree to have discussions according to a previously agreed to set of rules, and those who refuse to abide by those rules are removed. It isn't censorship, it is consensus building. When there is so little to celebrate or embrace in the Mudcat Cafe, why should I try and paint phoney smiley faces on a bad situation, just to "be positive". That is a manipulative guilt trip from the offending group. This isn't about being positive or negative. It is about an open airing of long held grievances. Only when an honest airing of grievances takes place, can solutions be found. Therein lies the difference. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:02 PM (#1252149) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk We all have an aversion to various things, Peter K. There must be a hundred theads right now in the music section and 60 in the BS section. How many of them will I visit today? 10 or 12? I will certainly not visit those threads that I have an aversion to, nor will I experience mental distress over the fact that those threads exist. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:04 PM (#1252151) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Treehouse...who would you throw out? |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:10 PM (#1252158) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: George Papavgeris I have seen some marvellous threads this past year in Mudcat; some were even in the BS section (the discussion on icons for example). The gems-to-crap ratio might be 1/30 now, where it was 1/10 a year ago, but I still find the forum very valuable. I am put off slightly by the increase in crap-shite threads, but that's just personal taste. It actually helps to see it in the title, because I can then avoid such threads - which is how I make it through a Mudcat read without getting annoyed. But... The comparison to lager louts and what is happening in European cities is incorrect, in my opinion. This is a forum where people choose to visit, they don't have to inhabit it. Furthermore, it is a forum of folkies, traditionally a diverse, sometimes unruly or politically incorrect, tolerant yet kicking-at-the-tyres-of-convention kind of people - and that's partly its inherent value. To try to shoehorn that into a prissy well-behaved discussion group would be moderating the essence out of it. It may die, as people vote with their feet. Or perhaps it will not. But it is precious as it is. I give you two much better examples: a) The best flowers need shit to grow b) I'd rather spend the last day in the life of an animal that's about to become extinct watching it, recording it, understanding it, enjoying it in its freedom, than cage it forever in order to "protect" it or "preserve" it. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:10 PM (#1252159) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Good question! :-) And how does someone who is either a Guest...or a member afraid to post under his/her own name get the authority to throw anyone out? Treehouse, there is now another Shatner thread at the top of the BS section. Get mad, gnash your teeth, tell your kids the end of the world is at hand, and tell us ALL about it. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:11 PM (#1252161) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: George Papavgeris ...and yes, I did vote a dozen times or so for Philmore too. I like to think that I can be serious and joke too. At the same time. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:12 PM (#1252162) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Beast of Farlington I contribute music and off-topic posts to several moderated fora. Moderation in itself does not guarantee off-topic posting. It all depends on what those who run the forum consider acceptable and the extent to which they allow the membership to run the forum. In my experience the old 80/20 principle comes into play here - about 20% of the membership contribute 80% of the posts which leads to the feeling among that 20% of members that they should have the biggest say in how things are run - an oligarchy, if you like. That's the feeling they have but one of the reasons that they remain the most frequent posters is that newcomers are frightened off by a cliquey feeling and intolerance of difference. I accept that it can be annoying to have a thread blown off course by humourous posting but if those who want to keep it serious have nothing else to add, then what's the problem? We can't MAKE others contribute in a certain way if they don't want to. If you have something else to say, keep saying it. I don't think Mudcat's technology helps either. It's reassuringly antiquated - there are many more user-friendly bulletin boards that help you quote a previous post and get the thread back on track. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:20 PM (#1252167) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk That 80/20 principle you're describing happens in any club or group of people anywhere, doesn't it? The "regulars" are simply those who participate the most and who get to know each other the best. It takes time to become a regular...if you want to. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:30 PM (#1252173) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bee-dubya-ell One thing I don't understand is why GUEST, Treehouse, who appears to be a member based on his/her familiarity with the goings-on around here, is posting anomymously. The only posts I can find for anyone named Treehouse are the ones on this thread. If I were inclined to start a thread on this tempest-in-a-teapot topic I would be absolutely certain to do it under my own name. Treehouse obviously holds strong opinions on the matter, so what's wrong with having those opinions associated with a name we recognize? And, Amos, my dear friend, I'm sorry, but I don't see much difference between the inanity of many of the silly threads being talked about here and the brand of silliness we get into over on "The Mother of All BS Threads". Is it just that having several "Is _______ Shite?" threads going at the same time is excessive? Perhaps, in the same fashion in which the Horse Punchers have been asked to only start one thread a month, the shite-heads could start something like "It's August! Are these things shite?" |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:39 PM (#1252182) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow There's humorous and there's nasty and deliberately hurtful, and they aren't the same thing. Attempts at jokes by people whose sense of humour or humor is a million miles removed from what we might ourselves consider funny can be irritating, especially if it seems to knock off course a discussion we are interested in - but deliberate insults and abuse is what causes the real damage. But what I've observed over the past few years is that these kind of things do run their course. At some point people stop rewarding the people who are swaggering around trying to disrupt things, and they move on elsewhere, or start to read their own posts perhaps, and come to their senses. A good rule of thumb, I suggest, is that it is never right to say anything here that you would be unwilling to say face to face to the person you are addressing. There's no way to enforce this, and the relative freedom from being "moderated" of the Mudcat is a good thing in my view, even though there is a price to be paid for it. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't aim at moderation in how we deal with each other here. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:41 PM (#1252185) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse Beast, there is virtually nothing I disagree with in your last post. However, there is still this pesky problem of people overstepping their bounds. That is happening a lot these days, and consistently by the same people. So what is the problem with calling them on it? That is all I'm doing here. Expressing my opinion, and calling the people I think are going well beyond reasonableness in their efforts to impress one another. Of course I can't control anyone's behavior. I also don't want to play forum cop to the delinquents. I've never been involved with such an immature group of folk musicians and folk music afficionados, so I guess I have nothing to compare this place to. But I do know a lot of folk musicians and folk music afficionados. They are, by most anyone's standards, a witty, warm, engaging, argumentative, and opinionated group of people, overly drawn to things that are old and antiquated. Which is why I'm sure a lot of them congregate in this, rather than the more state of the art folk music boards that don't put up with childish behavior that is so admired here. Only occassionally does childish pranksterism entertain, and when it's all you have going, it ceases to fun and funny altogether. It is one thing to co-exist, ignore, and live and let live. If that is what was happening here, no one would have cause to complain, would they? But it is another thing entirely to CONSTANTLY disrupt and destroy conversations with incredibly bad manners. A lot of members are complaining about this, not just me. So maybe, right now, in the current circumstances, we all need to examine our own behavior and see how we might be contributing to the mess, and god forbid, actually pitch in and help clean it up. Sometimes getting others to do their share requires bitching and nagging. If I am guilty of bitching at and nagging those forum members who are causing the problems, so be it. Somebody needed to call them on it. Polite and reasonable attempts to get them to stop have been mocked and ignored. So just why should we all shut up and take it again? |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:50 PM (#1252193) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse I see no difference whatsoever between the Mother of All BS sorts of threads and the Rubbish/Shite threads and the many variations of the Mudcat popularity contest threads (birthday threads, prayer and hug threads, etc). They are all of the same ilk. I've never even opened the Mother thread, so that in itself ought to tell you something about where I spend my time in this forum, which is in both music and BS sections, but not in the threads of those ilk. Now, if the posters to those threads would behave properly in the non-mindless drivel threads I regularly participate in, there would be no cause to bitch slap them when they get out of hand. But they all got a good virtual bitch slap coming to them, and I'm happy to give it. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:51 PM (#1252195) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Joe Offer I think it helps for all of us to be mindful of humor. Silliness and intelligent humor come across well on the internet, but put-down humor most often seems like an attack. If I question what looks like the beginnings of a big brawl, people say, "Don't worry, it's just their kind of humor." - and then before you know it, somebody gets hurt and it does become a big brawl. If you're trying to write something funny, keep it light. If you want to make fun of somebody, make fun of yourself - you are your own safest victim. If you're on the receiving end of humor and it seems offensive, try not to take offense. Oftentimes, the poster didn't intend to offend. -Joe Offer- |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:52 PM (#1252196) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: kendall MG, Jesus may not be YOUR messiah, but he is to many of us. |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:53 PM (#1252198) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Ellenpoly Interesting that quite a lot of the threads are discussing the same thing. I'm not sure how I feel, having contributed far more below the stairs than above it, and some of it (I've gone back to re-read my postings-a rather sobering experience) pretty silly to say the least. But like everything else on the internet, or in life, one has to learn to sift through all that is on offer, pick and choose according to one's tastes, and let the other go it's merry (or not so merry) way. Perhaps if the level of shite becomes too high for some folk, a little holiday from Mudcat is in order. I'm thinking of doing that myself, unless I can somehow disipline myself to not let William Shatner channel through me anymore! Time will change, people will change. I still think in the end that it's better to keep this site messy. ..xx..e |
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20 Aug 04 - 12:57 PM (#1252204) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Treehouse...I ask you again, as you suggested it as an improvement.WHO WOULD YOU THROW OUT? |
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20 Aug 04 - 01:03 PM (#1252210) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse I do often take holidays from Mudcat. In fact, I've been on holiday from Mudcat most of the summer. This is my personal, last ditch effort to see if I shouldn't make the holiday permanent, expressly because of the level of shite. And apparently, from reading through the other threads on this subject this week, some pretty well respected contributors here feel the same. So maybe it isn't us that needs the holiday. |
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20 Aug 04 - 01:06 PM (#1252214) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Isle of Wights nice at this time of year. |
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20 Aug 04 - 01:56 PM (#1252267) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos I would submit that here are two sorts of BS posts -- those that try to enhance the experience of people by offering them thought, humor or creative exploration of some kind and those posts which are essentially cultivating the art of stupidity or school-boy humor. I don't think we need to get into a long parsing of which is which. Does anybody out there think that "Is Shite Shite" is funny? Or silly mockeries of thread titles based on really dull-witted puns? Good humor includes relevance, some degree of creativity and a modicum of respect for its audience. The kind of crap that I think Treehouse is objecting to, and I concur with him, is the sort of deliberate cultivated mindlessness that does nothing for anyone. It is, to me, like osmeone littering a favorite beach with empty styrofoam cups and spent condoms. Maybe some of you like spent condoms, but I don't care for them myself. And BWL, to compare the heights of frenzied silliness found int he MOAB with the kind of drivel against which I am trying to register a protest is most undiscriminating -- the MOAB is usually creative and has a sort of educated flair to it which I find entertaining and socially uplifting. It makes me laugh. I gave up fart jokes for the most part when I graduated from grade school. A |
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20 Aug 04 - 01:57 PM (#1252268) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: DougR Treehouse: I think you are expecting something of the Mudcat population that has never existed, at least during my tenure here. You said in an earlier post that moderation could be achieved by the group agreeing to a set of rules. I don't think that would ever happen here. We sometimes have a difficult time agreeing on the simplist of things. I think ignoring things that offend, as well as those that do not interest, might be a good rule of thumb when considering behaviour here on the Mudcat. DougR |
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20 Aug 04 - 01:59 PM (#1252275) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Yes, and Twillingsgate is also reputed to be a lovely place to take a few weeks off and revel in the pastoral beauty, quaint shops, and peaceful atmosphere. Treehouse, I almost fell off my seat when I saw you use the term "ilk" in your post. Ilk, glorious ilk! If you had bothered to read much of the MOABST, you would have discovered that the term "ilk" has been used for a long time now as an in joke amongst a goodly number of us. Whenever we decide to depict the incensed ramblings of a particularly pompous windbag who is railing on about something that has upset him/her, we throw in the term "ilk" as in..."When will this despicable cretin and his ilk learn that their behaviour is not appreciated here, indeed is offensive in the extreme and MUST not be tolerated any longer!!!" And so on, and so on... It's such an expressive word. The fact that you have innocently used "ilk" in a post in which it was not intended to be humorous indicates that you are from a finer class of individual, the sort who once lifted this forum above the sweaty, vulgar masses and into a more rarified atmosphere where 17 alternative versions of House Carpenter is NOT a subject guaranteed to reduce the listener to a comatose state of boredom! I deeply regret the fact that there are so few left of you and your, dare I say it...ilk...these days. There has been a shocking deterioration in society, and your kind are needed more than ever before to return us to sanity and balance. The Mother of all BS Threads was started on a whim by Khandu. Why, I don't know. Like I said, it was a whim. I think it was inspired by Saddam Hussein...indirectly. Well, by something he said once. At any rate it was a terrifically funny thread in the first couple of hundred posts, and I feel sorry for you because you didn't get to read it. My heart is rent with sympathy. After a lengthy period of time the MOABST grew bloated and redundant, I am sorry to say. A small group of lost souls (including Amos & Rapaire) became addicted to posting on it for no reason other than that they had already done so a few hundred times! I can understand your annoyance at seeing people thus distracted from the higher purposes of life. But what can one do? People will have their addictions, won't they? You said: "But I do know a lot of folk musicians and folk music afficionados. They are, by most anyone's standards, a witty, warm, engaging, argumentative, and opinionated group of people, overly drawn to things that are old and antiquated." That sounds to me like a rather good description of a number of the people whose whimsical posts you are objecting to. In my case, though, I'm more the kind of folkie who is drawn to the folk singers of the 60's to the present...who tend more to write their own songs. That interests me a good deal more than the trad stuff, but I do like trad material and know a fair bit about it. It was the foundation upon which people like Baez and Dylan started out. They just didn't stay there, that's all. Dylan still performs traditional songs in his live concerts, and obviously knows a phenomenal number of them. |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:05 PM (#1252279) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage I see no difference whatsoever between the Mother of All BS sorts of threads and the Rubbish/Shite threads and the many variations of the Mudcat popularity contest threads (birthday threads, prayer and hug threads, etc). They are all of the same ilk. I've never even opened the Mother thread, so that in itself ought to tell you something about where I spend my time in this forum, which is in both music and BS sections, but not in the threads of those ilk. Now, if the posters to those threads would behave properly in the non-mindless drivel threads I regularly participate in, there would be no cause to bitch slap them when they get out of hand. But they all got a good virtual bitch slap coming to them, and I'm happy to give it. Treehouse, you've missed a lot of far-reaching good natured imaginative fun by not reading the MOAB. It is a bit of a job to catch up, but if you go back a few hundred posts that should be enough to take the measure of the site. Little Hawk, if we count all of the Shatner posts, you aren't exactly a stranger there yourself. This appears to be the MOAB pot calling the MOAB kettle black. SRS |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:11 PM (#1252287) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos Especially the Shatner posts. They are a disgrace to the community and a great moral and literary compromise on Little Hawk's part. He is capable of such depth, such flair, such creativity and such imaginative flights of fancy, that to anchor his dissertations to the fat and shedding Persona of a rug-0headed, bloated, monotone, flat-singing has-been wanna-be like Shatner is just -- I don't know -- self-destructive and self-insulting in one fell swoop! I weep not against Shatner, buit for the gentle soul of Little Hawk which has forced itself to such depravity for the sake of ill-gotten flittering waves of thin admiration. A |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:12 PM (#1252288) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk You are so right, Stilly. I have been absolutely shameless in promoting Mr Shatner. He is one of Canada's larger exports, after all. :-) It's my patriotic duty. |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:17 PM (#1252298) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk You almost had me in tears there, Amos... Should I consider dumping the Shatman? Do I have the strength of character to overcome this grotesque malady? Will Sweet Nell be rescued from a hideous death beneath the wheels of the oncoming express train??? Don't touch that dial!!! |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:27 PM (#1252311) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Ellenpoly Don't fret yourself, Little Hawk Amos will be taken care of Soon (William Shatner still channelling through Ellenpoly though she EXPRESSLY told him to go bother Treehouse from now on.) |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:31 PM (#1252317) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Shatner wouldn't consider dealing with Treehouse, who is obviously out of his tree or at least on the way to being so. |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:37 PM (#1252324) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: CarolC You have to be able to understand Canadians, Amos, in order to understand the Shatner thing. I used to think Neil Young's music was just plain crap until I had it explained to me by Canadians that he (a Canadian himself) is, much of the time, being ironically humourous in a uniquely Canadian sort of way. Now I think his stuff, while still being crap, is funny crap. |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:37 PM (#1252325) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow "...drawn to things that are old and antiquated."..."I'm more the kind of folkie who is drawn to the folk singers of the 60's to the present"... As I see it, Little Hawk, us folk singers of the 60's are pretty old and antiquated by now - and all the better for it. Breaking hearts and heads over the fact that things aren't perfect always seems a waste of time to me. As the saying goes "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." Complaining about this kind of thing falls into the first category fairly rapidly. It's worth doing from time to time, but not worth persisting in doing so. |
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20 Aug 04 - 02:42 PM (#1252329) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Cluin So, basically, if it's not something THOU is interested in taking part in, it's a waste of time? As opposed to the regular waste of time around here? It's been said before: if you don't like it, ignore it. Nobody's forcing you to read it or respond to it. And if you object to it dirtying up your little world around here, maybe it's time to take a walk in the park or go to the beach or something and gain a bit of perspective. Have a laugh! Life's too short not to have regrets. |
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20 Aug 04 - 03:11 PM (#1252361) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Clint Keller Well, we all know Sturgeon's law: 90% of everything is crap. I have learned a lot from the 10% noncrap here, and I don't read the shitethreads et al. if I don't want to. If you put in Bounds and Authority you'll still have 90% crap: less giddy crap, true, but more pompous crap, and you'll be limiting the good 10% to Approved Topics. And what fun is that? I don't contribute much to the music threads because usually everyone knows more than I do, but I read them. I contribute to the BS threads most because a lot of what I know is BS. And my opinions are unfailingly correct. I've learned from the good 10% on both sides of the line. Censorship sucks. clint |
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20 Aug 04 - 03:18 PM (#1252365) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: SINSULL Treehouse says: Now, if the posters to those threads would behave properly in the non-mindless drivel threads I regularly participate in, there would be no cause to bitch slap them when they get out of hand. But they all got a good virtual bitch slap coming to them, and I'm happy to give it. I'm confused. According to my search you didn't exist before this thread and have never posted to another. As to obnoxious MC members. Your observations have been made almost since the beginning of Mudcat. It goes through silly periods and nasty periods and productive periods. Some complain; some wallow; some join in. Continue to post your objections. You have the right. But be realistic - it is not going to change. What to do about obnoxious MC members? Ignore them or don't. Very simple. |
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20 Aug 04 - 03:54 PM (#1252387) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous Guess what, Treehouse. I'm a folksinger! I am very opinionated and I actually do collect real antiques, not just guitars. Your whining, snobbism, and pseudo-intellectualism type is actually what is obnoxious to some members, who, like myself, are not really so heavy handed as to living up to being a folksinger. My type like folkmusic and play it, also. Maybe we aren't navel gazing songwriters who have to socially comment on Mexican farm laborers. Maybe we like folk music like the Chad Mitchell Trio. I don't think it's all just about your perfect folk music site world. Hell, I'll bet you even have a beard. I don't. I feel that no one "owns" a thread. You cannot log into a thread. Threads are not private conversations, and "interrupting" a thread might just be a good way of voicing an opinion against the thread in general. So many of the philosophical threads, the "what if" threads, really are quite obnoxiously silly. Stepping in can be as funny as say, jumping into a pool wearing a tutu at the olympics. |
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20 Aug 04 - 04:00 PM (#1252393) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles The site owner's refusal to allow moderation is the real problem here, just as it always has been. Splutters with astonisment!!! "Reasonable" members once argued vociferously against moderation just a few summers ago, because they really enjoyed flaming guests. From what I can see, (and am told) everyone but me seems to argue in favour of the current level and manner of imposed censorship or even for increased imposed censorship to be undertaken. As long as this censorship is not imposed upon them and they can continue to request reactive editing to be imposed on the contributions of others and they are permitted to judge and make personal attacks upon other posters, who may not share their views. Those responsible for this censorship, and who eagerly volunteer to pass judgement and impose censorship upon others, actually set this example by feeling that they can make personal attacks.....It should not be too much of a surprise if this poor example is followed. Perhaps it is time that a far better example was set, by those who would volunteer to judge the worth of the invited contributions of others? |
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20 Aug 04 - 04:01 PM (#1252395) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: SINSULL Actually Martin, unless menopause has been particularly unkind to treehouse, I don't believe she has a beard. But I am fairly certain she does not consider Chad Mitchell to be "folk". |
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20 Aug 04 - 04:01 PM (#1252396) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Joe Offer I confess that I listen to the Chad Mitchell Trio more than just about anybody other than the Kingston Trio. Does that mean I'm one of the "obnoxious" Mudcatters? -Joe Offer- |
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20 Aug 04 - 04:02 PM (#1252397) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Cluin - was that me you were responding to or some earlier post by someone else? Get's confusing sometimes, I think it's a good idea to attach a name to a post that's intended as a response to a particular poster. Assuming your post was intended for me, "waste of time" wasn't meant to have the attacking intent that you seem to have read into it, and the attached quotation was intended to indicate that. |
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20 Aug 04 - 04:05 PM (#1252401) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: SINSULL Joe - I can't believe you had to ask. Read the threads Man! You're not only obnoxious but a Nazi leaning member of the Mudcat Elite and what's worse a CLONE who uses his power to keep the rest of us in line and CENSORED! But if you follow treehouse's advice and delete anything she finds offensive (not sure how to determine that, sorry), all will be forgiven.
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20 Aug 04 - 04:09 PM (#1252402) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous Joe I learned to play guitar from Kingston Trio records. Hasn't the arguement always been, and continues to be disguised in this thread: What is Folk? Who or what is a folksinger? Now, though Treehouse makes more sense that I know she is a broad. I am sure that she feels the same way about those that watch the Three Stooges. |
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20 Aug 04 - 04:42 PM (#1252426) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Subject: RE: Can we (meaning you) rename a thread? From: The Shambles Date: 14-Aug-04 - 02:30 AM Wesley S came up with the following [posted in the latest 'hug and prayer complaint thread]- it says more in a few lines than I can ever manage, in my long-winded way. Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others. As it was not a suggestion of mine, is there any chance of you putting this wonderful common sense into the FAQ and in the headings of the various forums? [crediting Wesley S of course] The starting point is setting the example that accepts that none of us here really have any control over the posts and ideas of others - only ourselves. That is something I would have thought that the Joe Offer I first came across and greatly respected in the forum, accepted and set the best example in. |
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20 Aug 04 - 04:55 PM (#1252434) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace In a well-written post above, someone mentioned that the MOAB thread had been using the word ILK. Many of you know I have difficulty with my vision. Nothing serious, it's just that I am getting on in years and neither eye is what it was in my youth. I had been reading ILK as ELK. That is why I avoided that particular thread. We have elk in Canada; indeed, we have elk near Hinton where I live. I had thought that people were making fun of elk, and because many of those did are folks I admire, I restrained myself and did not go to the defense of that delicious antlered animal, because to have done so would have put me at odds with many Mudcat friends. So, Ms Treehouse, thank you; have saved me an embarrassment. Thank you. VOTE HILLARY |
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20 Aug 04 - 04:57 PM (#1252436) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Ellenpoly LOL! |
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20 Aug 04 - 05:20 PM (#1252442) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Russ Ignore them. |
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20 Aug 04 - 05:20 PM (#1252443) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Russ OOPS! Ignore the preceding message. |
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20 Aug 04 - 05:59 PM (#1252476) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Devilmaster It always seems, to me anyways, that threads like this one come up every 6 months or so. Get over it people. Its the internet. It is what it is. The internet gives anyone the chance to publish their personal views whether or not the masses agree with it. It has completely changed how we live in this world, and will continue to change it for years to come. Do a few google searches on stuff that you really hate. You'll find webpages on it I'm sure. Type white supremacist into a google search. I'm sure you'll find some moron who has a webpage saying that Hitler was mis-understood and that the holocaust did not happen. There are webpages that say if you don't believe in their deity, you'll go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. Now those are extreme examples. Mudcat has those threads which people like Tree complain about. Honestly, this website has evolved over the years. But at the same time, how would you control those types of threads? Since Treehouse apparently is so sick of the state of this place that he/she posts as a guest, (a bit ironic, imo) it seems like Tree is just posting his/her final posts here. So long buddy. I always get a laugh at the people who say 'this forum isn't what I want to see, so I'm typing my last post now, and I'm saying i'm leaving!'. Effin Waaahhh. People who think they're above everyone else and that their opinion is more valid than everyone else. Got news for ya. There is only one opinion above everyone else's opinion here. There is only one person that is above Mudcat. And since Max owns the puters that holds all these viewpoints, and he owns the webname, he is the only one whose opinion truly matters. Cause if he gets sick of it he just pulls the plug. Everyone will find a new site to play at. So in the end, mudcat is what it is. If that is not what you want or like, there is one thing you can do. Hit that button labelled on/off or power. Steve |
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20 Aug 04 - 06:05 PM (#1252480) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous Devilmaster: You pounded the nail in with one hit from the hammer. The Internet is like the wild west. The strong survive, the ones with no intestinal fortitude bit the dust. |
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20 Aug 04 - 06:09 PM (#1252484) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle The revolution starts from within. I will try to be less obnoxious - its not going to be easy though. |
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20 Aug 04 - 06:24 PM (#1252491) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk I love it. Whoever the hell Treehouse is, she has given me: 1. a Buncha good laughs 2. A question. If she is a member, why does she skulk in the shadows under a Guest name while protesting the present state of the forum? Or has she lost her cookie somehow? SINSULL, what's your theory on that? Treehouse, I have been listening to and thoroughly enjoying folk music ever since the late 50's. The first folk musicians I really focused on were The Weavers, on Vanguard recordings. |
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20 Aug 04 - 08:28 PM (#1252596) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller I've never seen anybody complain about Little Hawk or his ilk before. This is cool. Because I've recently decided to dislike him too, partly out of a real jealousy I'm trying to pass off as a mock-jealousy (clever ruse, eh?) partly just to be different. I don't support nannying things around, there are other places that do that, though. Try them, seriously. It sounds like I'm being a smart-ass, but seriously, look around. |
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20 Aug 04 - 09:19 PM (#1252627) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk My ilk is my own damned business, Fred. :-) I am going to hex you by doing a Shatnerization ceremony in front of my life-size idol of Big Bill that stands in the inner sanctum, surrounded by his many books, recordings, and memorabilia. I am going to send powerful vibes your way, ramped up by the Spirit of Shatner. You...will soon find yourself speaking...with dramatic pauses...coupled by significant glances at the camera (whether it's there or not). You...will have to eke out a living doing...corny TV ads and convention appearances. It's...not all bad, though...most women will find you...wellnigh irresistible! |
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20 Aug 04 - 09:27 PM (#1252631) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace Well, Little Hawk, you jus' keep yer hands off my ilk. Don't tolerate none of that 'round here. |
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20 Aug 04 - 09:45 PM (#1252650) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous ilk and cookies, anyone? |
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20 Aug 04 - 09:53 PM (#1252655) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace artin, very good idea. |
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21 Aug 04 - 11:17 AM (#1252911) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse I don't expect the stupid threads to disappear. I also don't expect stupid, dull witted posters to disappear. I accept that the stupid and dull witted rule this forum, as is demonstrated by the sheer numbers of their posts, and their dogged determiniation to remain in power here. But that isn't all there has ever been at Mudcat, nor is it all that this forum could be, if anyone decided to police themselves, and control their "on a whim" posting behavior. Let's just be very clear about that. I could care less about the so-called humorous threads. Not my brand of humor, although I do accept that it is just that sort of humor which dominates the forum. It is quite rare to see any decent, intelligent humor around here, just like in the 3D world. I'm fed up with rude and obnoxious members (and we all know very well who they are), interrupting decent conversations with pathetic attempts to be funny and get noticed by the people they obviously want to get noticed by--but don't because the people they want attention from generally don't post to the moronic threads. It is that simple. I am complaining about rude and obnoxious members who keep interrputing otherwise decent conversations, just to get attention. I understand they, like all immature adults who engage in these sorts of behaviors to get people to notice them, interrupt these conversations in such grossly inappropriate ways because: 1) they don't have the required social skills to get noticed any other ways, and; 2) they are out of their league in terms of knowing the subject matter being discussed. Yes, I ignore them when they do it. I only started this thread, because so many other members whom I consider to be well mannered, good natured, and to have a decent, intelligent sense of humor, are bitching about how pathetic the forum has been of late too. They will likely remain polite (and be leaving these parts for greener online forum pastures soon because of the insistence of everyone here that this is the way Mudcat MUST be) because they are invested in relationships with a few people here. I, on the other hand, believe that more can be gained by making my displeasure known, than by being polite. Which is purely a style difference, because we are in agreement the way the forum has been going this summer, has made for a piss poor Mudcat experience for us. But not, of course, for the morons. They have been truly enjoying themselves here of late. There is no doubt about that, just like there is no doubt in my mind that complaining about the moronic Mudcat majority here in the forum with any expectation that it will change anyone's behavior, would be as productive as shouting into a hurricane. That doesn't change the fact that I'm getting a tremendous amount of satisfaction bitch slapping those of you who so blood well deserve it, though. Thanks for your cooperation. |
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21 Aug 04 - 12:26 PM (#1252918) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST "leaving these parts for greener online forum pastures " I've never seen one yet. If you've got some which match that description, share the URLs, Treehouse - not that I have any wish to desert the Mudcat, but for the times when it's down. |
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21 Aug 04 - 12:26 PM (#1252919) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow |
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21 Aug 04 - 12:52 PM (#1252922) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow Those last two GUESTs were me - inadvertently nameless. |
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21 Aug 04 - 01:14 PM (#1252928) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse "Those last two GUESTs were me - inadvertently nameless." Oh, the delicious irony... McGrath, here's the thing. Some of us have wider interests than just folk music, and so we participate in other online forums related to those interests. But it doesn't mean I want the eejits from here following me to them. This is the only unmoderated forum I come to, hence the frustration level of those of us who know what we're missing here, when things get more puerile than usual. My tolerance for this sight is getting used up, as is others. If you want to know who the others are who might be seriously considering not using this forum anymore, look to who HASN'T been posting much who used to post frequently. That isn't the people in this thread. Even though Amos agrees with me, I don't think Amos has any alternatives to Mudcat (unless I've been misreading his posts). Some of us do. Also, some of us have other things to do than spend all our time on the internet. Like jobs, families, friends, music and non-music passions and interests--lives in other words. It really isn't my problem that so many people here don't have them, and/or are so addicted to this particular internet fix they become consumed by it. It's always a question of balance, having productive, having positive alternatives to this forum for our internet entertainment and intersts, and many healthy alternatives to sitting on one's ass and getting all worked up and aggravated all day (and night too for a lot of you apparently) by acting like/reacting to stupid morons. Or are you saying that we should all just shut up, never complain about all the jerks who frequent this place, and take their abuse? Well, if that works for you, more power to you. But it doesn't work for me. I see no reason to just shut up and take the abuse the morons are dishing out. Yes, I do have the option of leaving this forum. I use it regularly. Maybe if more members used that option, this place wouldn't suffer so severely from domination by the socially challenged. Just sign me-- Another Mudcat Veteran for Forum Truth. |
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21 Aug 04 - 01:25 PM (#1252932) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Also, some of us have other things to do than spend all our time on the internet. Like jobs, families, friends, music and non-music passions and interests--lives in other words. It really isn't my problem that so many people here don't have them, and/or are so addicted to this particular internet fix they become consumed by it. Speaking of delicious irony, has anyone else noticed that the most obnoxious poster here, and the one writing the longest posts, is the initiator of this thread, who goes on about how she has better things to do than be here? |
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21 Aug 04 - 02:15 PM (#1252935) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,curmudgeon Amen. Guest. I do think you've summed it up neaatly. |
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21 Aug 04 - 02:26 PM (#1252943) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,TIA Where are you el Ted? Better hurry! |
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21 Aug 04 - 03:06 PM (#1252956) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: CarolC Delicious irony? |
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21 Aug 04 - 03:07 PM (#1252957) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: CarolC 101 Thank you very much. |
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21 Aug 04 - 03:16 PM (#1252964) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace "I'm getting a tremendous amount of satisfaction bitch slapping those of you who so blood [sic] well deserve it" Bitch slapping, a term with which I am not familiar, connotes that the user may really enjoy abusing physical strength--likely with women, and certainly with people of a more diminuitive stature. You must be lots of fun to hand around with. Usually I have to pay for that treatment. |
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21 Aug 04 - 03:28 PM (#1252971) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Since this thread appears to be the first time anyone has posted as "GUEST,Treehouse", and there seems to be no member who has the Mudcat name Treehouse, it may be a little naive to take this person at face value. In other words, this thread could well be a slightly more subtle than usual exercise in stirring. "Shooting fish in a barrel" is the term sometimes used. |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:03 PM (#1252991) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Someone on here has used that term in the past a few times....bitch slap... I remembered it because it is so horrible and graphic. Maybe it is a common term? |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:04 PM (#1252993) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos 100. Thanks. Neener neener. |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:10 PM (#1253000) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Ellenpoly Ah, Amos....always the voice of reason ;-D |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:15 PM (#1253004) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace GUEST: The originator of the thread has used it a few times. Disgusting, actually. |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:41 PM (#1253030) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos It is a common slang term -- it describes the wrath of infuriated females being taken out on other females. At least I think that is what it implies -- the kind of caterwauling screaming and slapping that only two women over the edge can manufacture.... A |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:45 PM (#1253034) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Pogo Send 'em to the Steel Cage Match thread and let 'em fight it out. I need more ratings :OI |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:49 PM (#1253038) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: wysiwyg That's funny, I thought it was a euphemism for "d**k-slap," which I understood to denote a female cheek stricken by an item of male anatomy. I guess it would translate (?!?!?!?!?) to labeling her a bitch. "His" bitch-- discipline a pimp would deliver to one of "his" girls. Correct me if I'm wrong. :~) But watch how you do it. :~) ~Susan |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:52 PM (#1253041) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage I haven't heard the term "bitch slap" but I have used "dope slap"--referring to what Moe used to use on Larry and Curly. Or Oliver Hardy used to do to Stan Laurel (though Hardy was gentler about it than Moe was). SRS |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:54 PM (#1253045) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace bitchslap: From the stereotype of a pimp's demeaning and abusive treatment of his prostitutes, whom he refers to as his bitches. Those who use the term typically see themselves as being superior and as being in a situation that calls for them to mete out harsh, abrupt, and abusive treatment for what they perceive as stupid or disrespectful behavior--or simply when they think such treatment is needed to remind someone of her inferior status. Example: You talk back to me one more time, and I'll bitchslap you. The above is from SlangSite.com |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:56 PM (#1253047) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: wysiwyg "Bitch-slap" is becoming a frequently-heard expression on TV, etc., but if it does mean what I think it means-- it would be yet another case of white/mainstream media "borrowing" from the black community without knowing what they're doing. Then I say the joke is on them for not having a clue how vulgar they're being! :~) ~S~ |
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21 Aug 04 - 04:56 PM (#1253048) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos Well, I guess it is emerging from different circles, and the definition you grasp instinctively depends on the circles you travel in. I for example, obviously associate with angry and frustrated women; SRS seems to come from a world of moronically funny heros; while WYSIWYG comes from a world of penis-wielding pimps. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer choice! A |
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21 Aug 04 - 05:27 PM (#1253063) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,fred miller |
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21 Aug 04 - 07:39 PM (#1253109) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: pdq If we go with the thread title and the past eight or so posts, we can safely say: "What to do about obnoxious MC members? Bitchslap 'em, eh?" |
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21 Aug 04 - 08:10 PM (#1253130) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles This is the only unmoderated forum I come to, hence the frustration level of those of us who know what we're missing here, when things get more puerile than usual. If this person considers this now to be an unmoderated forum and no one (especially our unknown numbers of uknown volunteer moderators) posts to corrects them - does it mean that it now is an unmoderated forum? |
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21 Aug 04 - 11:12 PM (#1253203) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST After the shit that people have been talking on each other around this place, you people are worried about someone using the term "bitch slap"? Please. This is about the rough equivalent of the usual Mudcat drivel. The object is to win, and in order to win, you must conform. Just like Mudcat. I'm sure most of you will be champs at this baby in no time. |
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21 Aug 04 - 11:24 PM (#1253211) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST For those who prefer musical content there is this. Keep clinking to play "Bitch slap a rock star". |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:09 AM (#1253229) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: JennyO This is about the rough equivalent of the usual Mudcat drivel. Ah yes GUEST, but YOU knew where to find it ;-) |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:10 AM (#1253231) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Fooles Troupe "Or has she lost her cookie somehow?" ROFL!!!! Sorry.... "My tolerance for this sight" - well, the correct spelling is 'SITE', but in the context, [the sight of what is happening here on these threads] - makes the comment ironically funny. But only to those who have the neural connections to see that, and I am not being intentionally insulting to the poster, it's just the way my mind works, when it does... Some of the 'nonsense' (or BS-titled) threads, start out as just 'Shite' - it might even be in the title, but sometimes they get sidetracked into very serious discussion and even include songs. Remember CREATIVITY strikes in many forms, -'opportunity knocks but once' - some songs of mine have been inspired by a passing comment in the BS stuff - Pot Noodles Can't Be Beat was one that my Muse kicked me in the bum with unexpectedly - or one could say 'hit me over the head with a pillow containing the rocks of a song' - inspired by a BS thread. That song may not be to your personal taste (I'm addressing EVERYBODY), but where did you get your licence to decide that my particular form of creativity is not approved for consumption by anyone else? :-) Robin |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:48 AM (#1253241) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Fooles Troupe Further thought has recalled to mind something relevant. Back in the 1970's I was involved in Computing Study at University, ending up on Computing Advisory Committees, and President of the Local Student Computing Club (started in the mainframe days and which went defunct when Personal Computers became the big thing!). The Computing Centre System Programmers & the Centre Manager had a relevant word of wisdom. When the first multi-player games (created originally as Doctoral Thesis subject materials!) began to circulate on the mainframes, everybody, including especially the system programmers just HAD to spend hours getting thru them. You didn't get such jobs if you were intellectually deficient, by the way, so they were smart cookies! There was only one thing to be done to deal with the situation. Yes, people were spending work time playing! But the only workable managerial response was... "They will get sick of it in time and get back to work. Ranting and raving will only piss them off and the cleverest ones will get a job elsewhere, and we'll be left with the less clever ones. Leave them alone!" |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:52 AM (#1253243) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,fred miller pathetic attempts to be funny. I think that's certainly redundant. There's a local doctor here who is one of the leaders in exploring the healing properties of laughter, but I think it would be as significant to study the pathology of comedy. Treehouse, there's just something about your position that makes no sense at all. Several things, really, and they all point to an unflattering characterization of your ability to think socially. Just one thing--you talk about people in power here, as if it were by some sort of... what? It's fantastically absurd. You can only influence people by example and by your own sort of participation, not by decree. And you can't really slap anybody, just make them think less of you and your input. And since you're anonymously posting that adds up to achieving less than nothing. This way won't work, and no amount of self-proclaimed high-mindedness will, would, or could. Surely you see that now. It's an autistic fantasy of social life. It's ridiculously self-centered. And you're missing a very deep vein of humour by dismissing it out of hand. Some stupid things only really become funny by persisting against all sense and reason. It's only at the zillionth invocation of a moronic theme that it becomes somehow hilarious. A friend of mine was in a sociology class which examined jokes, and I suggested they banter a theme like, say, Is this going to be on the test? all term. It's stupid, and annoying, but. By the end it will be funny. This phenomenon seems to tie in to Henri Bergson's theory of comedy as Something mechanical inlaid upon the human, and also has interesting connection to Sanford Meisner's acting pedagogy. Say--You like my tiara? I like your tiara--back and forth with a partner until something happens. What good is announcing you possess a fine sense of humour, instead of offering it? You seem to have it, but without meaning it. |
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22 Aug 04 - 01:40 AM (#1253251) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Fooles Troupe Fred, this 'repeating nonsense until it becomes funny' was used by Spike Milligan in some of his first Goon Shows on the BBC Radio back in the 1950's. The classic example from one of the early shows was a character who would stick his head in a door and shout 'More Coal!' - that character did nothing else. The first time, there was silence. By the third time people were laughing. By the end of the show they were laughing uproariously, almost expecting it to be thrown in. This was Spike's '3 times and it's funny rule'. It has been documented in print in comic histories, especially those on British Humour, and the show and him especially, if you want to track it down. Another classic from the same show was 'He's fallen in the water!' Those who make the most noise about how wonderful their sense of humour is without publicly sharing the output results of their creative sense of humour, often are observed to have the least or narrowest sense of humour. "Empty vessels make most sound." Robin |
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22 Aug 04 - 02:07 AM (#1253258) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage Monty Python also benefitted from repetition. "Spam" comes to mind at the moment. . . This phenomenon seems to tie in to Henri Bergson's theory of comedy as Something mechanical inlaid upon the human, and also has interesting connection to Sanford Meisner's acting pedagogy. Say--You like my tiara? I like your tiara--back and forth with a partner until something happens. I know we've discussed the Smothers Brothers before (as I have in other venues--they address more than musical topics). This puts me in mind of "I see by your outfit that you are a cowboy, You see by my outfit that I'm a cowboy, too. We see by our outfits that we are both cowboys; If you get an outfit you can be a cowboy, too. More or less how the song goes. They play on a well known song and repeat "outfit" and "cowboy" enough to make them uproariously funny. SRS |
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22 Aug 04 - 04:49 AM (#1253298) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Jon Shambles, If this person considers this now to be an unmoderated forum and no one (especially our unknown numbers of uknown volunteer moderators) posts to corrects them - does it mean that it now is an unmoderated forum? When was "then"? I'm sure there would have been a "then" before new facilites were added but moderation has existed here in all the time I've been around, ie. since 1999. There have also been hidden "Joe Clones" in all this time. As far as I can make out, during the period between then and now, there has been no significant change in policy. All that has happened is that the system has had newer and more visible (and useful IMO) enhancements such as the ability to close threads and to rename thread titles. I'd also suggest that the FAQ made knowledge that posts could be deleted more open. In fact overall, I would suggest the whole approach is more, not less, open now than it was when I first joined - quite the opposite to what you suggest. I would further suggest that your arguments are based on what I call a "Mudcat myth". It always seemed sort of cosy to portray Mudcat as unmoderated but Mudcat was what I would describe as a very mildly moderated forum in 1999 and it remains so in 2004. Your problem appears to me to be that it took you until 2004 to realise this. |
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22 Aug 04 - 06:24 AM (#1253347) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow If this person considers this now to be an unmoderated forum and no one (especially our unknown numbers of unknown volunteer moderators) posts to corrects them - does it mean that it now is an unmoderated forum?(The Shambles). I've just read this three times, and I still can't make it out too well. I think "this person" here means "The Shambles", as in the Kai Lung stories, but I'm not sure. (I recommend Kai Lung to people who prefer their humour dry and gentle.) |
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22 Aug 04 - 06:32 AM (#1253353) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles As far as I can make out, during the period between then and now, there has been no significant change in policy. All that has happened is that the system has had newer and more visible (and useful IMO) enhancements such as the ability to close threads and to rename thread titles. I'd also suggest that the FAQ made knowledge that posts could be deleted more open. Jon I was making the simple point that despite what you say about the FAQ - there are still many people who are under the impression that this is an unmoderated site. And that still none of our volunteers have posted to correct this impression and to give a true picture of the extent of this imposed editing and to change the 'cloud- cookoo land' that many long term posters are under and the myth that many insist on trying to defend. There is the 'spin' but truth is that the list of contributions that will receive routine imposed editing is long, getting even longer and threatens to become endless. And all done as a reaction,with questionable effect, in making any difference to the problem, it is supposed to deal with. These reasons can all be summed up as that personal judgement will be made in secret, on the worth of the contribution and reactive editing action will be automatically be imposed (and defended) in secret, whatever the nature or level of the supposed offence. This censorship, which can better better described as the single summary punishment, will be imposed without consultation with other volunters and without the prior knowledge of the contributor, often at the request of fellow posters who are encouraged to post (now also in secret) to do this. This one punishment will be automatically imposed for offences which range from a (supposed) personal attack to just being unlucky enough to have posted to an entire thread that is deleted or closed because it is easier to do this than for the vounteer to make the effort or take the time just to delete the 'offending' few postings. It is a time for more imagination and honesty and for a far better example to be set. Especially by those who volunteer to judge the worth of other's contributions and who wish to shape our forum by imposed editing action based on this judgement, rather than by the encouragement of our forum to be shaped by setting an example of positive contributions. |
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22 Aug 04 - 06:40 AM (#1253355) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles For Kevin's benefit, the person referred (who I quoted but did not name) to was Guest Treehouse. Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles - PM Date: 21 Aug 04 - 08:10 PM This is the only unmoderated forum I come to, hence the frustration level of those of us who know what we're missing here, when things get more puerile than usual. If this person considers this now to be an unmoderated forum and no one (especially our unknown numbers of uknown volunteer moderators) posts to corrects them - does it mean that it now is an unmoderated forum? |
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22 Aug 04 - 06:50 AM (#1253359) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle look I admit I'm the obnoxious one. I come from an obnoxious family. I never really had a chance in life to be anything except obnoxious. I live in an obnoxious house with my obnoxious dog. There are no redeeming factors in my obnoxiousness. It was me doing it all the time to get attention. Jaysus..... what a thread! |
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22 Aug 04 - 07:21 AM (#1253369) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Jon OK Shambles, Ill try to be as objective as possible and as am speaking as an ex Joe Clone (one who resigned but not for reasons of editorial policy). My own preference was to be known as a Joe Clone but I can't argue with those who want to remain "hidden" or with Joe's "protection". In my experience, nothing underhanded goes on in terms of actions from the clones and ultimately, it is Joe, not Max, who tends to end up carrying the can for any editorial decisions. Hidden editors, are not uncommon either. I did read you comment on the BBC boards in the help forum saying you at least knew who the mods were. Nothing could be further from the truth. We know who the hosts for the boards are but there is a team (I think called the mod squad) that nobody knows anything about. Posts have dropped off the BBC F&A board without Mel (host) knowing anything about them. The official line with Joe Clones is that they do not delete posts. This is not quite true as I for one would delete a clear case, eg. a thread opening with a link to a porn site, knowing it would have to go and knowing such an action would be supported from above. Overall though, Joe would be alerted rather than a Clone making judgement themselves. That brings me on to the close thread option which did not exist in my time and one possible application of it. To understand this, you have to understand the nature of Mudcat and some MC members. I, like you, are familiar with unmoderated places like uk.music.folk and we both know that people over there do not get excited over things like my porn example. They are controled enough not to react but over here it is guaranteed that some will have to express their shock and horror, etc. and in no time a long thread has developed... You may wonder why I said a possible application of closing a thread in relation to this but if you bear in mind that Clones are not supposed to delete posts and Joe is not around for 24/7 consultation, it gives another and perhaps better option. The thread can in theory be put on hold to prevent further trouble and later be re-opened if appropriate. Where I would be inclined to agree with you, is that if moderation is to exist (and I am not going to argue it should or shouldn't or if it does the appropriate level - those sort of things make a site different to another and contribute towards "uniqueness") I do believe that everyone should be clear as to the rules (and no that doesn't mean a need to know who applies them) and that what rules exist are applied equally. My personal opinion is that MC perhaps could improve a little more towards those goals but overall plays pretty straight on this. |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:07 PM (#1253499) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST If people believe the forum to be unmoderated it must be so, sort of like the prayer chain working to cure all ills. If the moderation is done in secrecy, there must be a good reason, we just can't be privy to it. If this is a moderated site, what exactly, is being done to moderate the immoderate behavior that is so disruptive to thread continuity and alienating to people like Jerry Rasmussen and Bobert, well liked members of the forum who started complaining about the anti-social behavior before Treehouse did? Could it be that everyone attacks Treehouse (an easy target) not Bobert and Jerry, because Treehouse can be easily attacked and dismissed, while Bobert can't be? This thread, with a guest as the originator, is now well over 100 posts attacking the guest, but with rare exceptions like Amos, not actually addressing the issue Treehouse raised. Compare this to the Can You Say Acrimony thread which only garnered 23 posts. So why are the members here ignoring the same concerns expressed by Treehouse, being expressed by the likes of Jerry Rasmussen and Bobert? Could it be the ease with which the automatic Mudcat lemming response, which causes all of you leap off the 'attack the guest' cliff in such huge numbers? That you use the 'attack the guest' ploy as a means of avoiding discussions of subject matter that concerns you, and makes you feel uncomfortable with the way you are behaving? So once the lemming express gets rolling, the tactic for refusing to discuss ultimately results in the whole subject discussion being shouted down and drowned out, so you can comfortably settle back down into your dysfunctional ways? Here is what Bobert had to say about all this just a few days ago: Subject: RE: BS: Can You Say Acrimony? From: Bobert Date: 19 Aug 04 - 11:36 PM Well, Jerry, I couldn't have said it better. Yeah, I've been known to get up on a soapbox now and then but I'd like to think when I get to discussin' issues (okay, debating them, if you will...) that I do it with respect for those on the other side. I mean, I cannot fathom either DougR or Teribus resorting to the base-ness of what I've seen here at Mudcat over the last month or two. It has gotten so bad that even well thought out threads get hyjacked by the same few folks who just want to find another thread to attack one another. It doesn't make me want to contribute. Throw in the "slam book" threads that I was asking about and Mudcat has just about been reduced to somethin' akin to TV wrestling. It is gettin' dumbed down at breakneck speed and I'm finding less and less joy in coming here... So, Fred Miller, et al, how about you address Bobert's concerns, instead of attacking Treehouse? And really, what is anti-social about commenting upon people's anti-social behavior? Why is the anti-social behavior being so rigorously defended by so many here? Is a community of anti-social misfits the goal here? |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:12 PM (#1253506) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Nice weather out there today. I think I'll get some sun. |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:18 PM (#1253513) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST And avoid the tough questions, right Little Hawk? You seem to be one of those who led the lemming charge over the cliff in this thread, so it comes as no surprise when someone holds members' feet to the fire, you start squirming. |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:26 PM (#1253523) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow I get a feeling that "GUEST,Treehouse" may be the same as that last GUEST. |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:33 PM (#1253531) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles The official line with Joe Clones is that they do not delete posts. This is not quite true as I for one would delete a clear case, eg. a thread opening with a link to a porn site, knowing it would have to go and knowing such an action would be supported from above. Overall though, Joe would be alerted rather than a Clone making judgement themselves. If it is not true, then the whole official line is based on a lie and this lie just encourages many who do not wish the forum well, to constantly point this lie out. What is Joe, if not another poster who has volunteered to judge and impose this judgement upon other posters? I feel that the official line should be what is actually happening and this then can always be defended and if someone finds their post has gone and asks why their contribution has been deleted, the reasons for this can be explained. I have demonstrated and evidenced so many occasions when this offical line was not the case and all of these have always been defended and nothing has changed. Rather than accepting that nothing is perfect and everything can be improved, those holding a different view and who write suggesting improvements, are subject to their motives being questioned and to personal abuse from these volunteers. Not, I feel the best example to give if one of the main objectives is meant to be the prevention of such things. But can this single measure actually work, when the post appears and the 'damage' has aleady been done? Do we not as individual posters have all the editing tools we require? Do we have to open the forum at all? Do we have to open threads that from their title are clearly not to our tastes. Do we have to read every post even if we have opened the thread? Having found something that is not to our taste, Do we have to make such a fuss about it that other posters, who would have not even seen it - are alerted to it? There will be no shortage of folk vounteering to judge and impose this reactive judgement upon the worth of other's postings. This example just encourages posters to feel as if it is their duty to request editing to be imposed upon others. My concern is less that some form of editing takes place but that there is thought to be only one type of editing - i.e. the imposition deletion of posts or the deletion or closure of entire threads. Whatever the nature of the 'offence', this is imposed by volunteers upon the contributions of those Max has invited to contribute. Can at least it be accepted that to find one's invited contribution has been subject to imposed editing - always remains A BIG THING to the individual poster. This general and routine imposition is just not in the spirit of the Mudcat, especially when the posters only 'offence' is to post to a entire thread that is deleted. Is it really too much to ask that, when and where it is possible, (as it very often is) to consult the poster before any judgment and imposed editing action is taken on their contribution, that this attempt be made? That judgement and imposition based on this judgement is used sparingly and always as a last resort? And that posters are encouraged by the good example being set, to shape our forum by their postive contributions and not by being encouraged to request editing to be imposed upon the posts of others? |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:43 PM (#1253538) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,*daylia* I suspect LH just wants to enjoy the sun, GUEST. I know he's not much into conflict and confrontation, especially when it serves no useful purpose. If I don't like the tone of a certain thread, I've learned not to post on it. If I don't care for someone's on-line manner or find I'm always butting heads with them for some reason or another, I've tried making it a policy to skip their posts. (WARNING: if you try the ignoring tactic and the person does decide to extend the olive branch at some point, you'll never know it) When it gets really unbearable, I just stay away from the Cat completely for a while. But I'd rather be here than on a site so heavily censored and monitored the discussions sound like they're piped in from the good ship Lollipop! daylia |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:43 PM (#1253539) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Devilmaster What tough questions? I haven't seen smoke at member's feet, let alone fire. :rolleyes: I'm still waiting for treehouse or any complaining person to come up with ideas to fix what they see as a problem..... I laugh at people who say 'this is wrong, this is crap, this is unfair' yet never seem to come up with the ideas to fix what they see is wrong, crappy or unfair. Perhaps tree wouldn't be dismissed so quickly if he/she offered ideas to fix what they see is the problem. Ideas have been implemented at mudcat before - the splitting of the music and BS threads into their own sections was a direct result of people at this forum asking for a separation, and a perfect example of constructive criticism leading to changes. I haven't seen tree or anyone else in this thread offer constructive criticism or solutions to their own complaints. Just a bit of laughable BS. At least its in the right section.... :D Steve |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:59 PM (#1253545) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST cough gasp aw, shit, now I have to wipe off the screen and the keyboard I just read daylia's post. |
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22 Aug 04 - 01:17 PM (#1253554) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST "I get a feeling that "GUEST,Treehouse" may be the same as that last GUEST." As usual, McGrath chooses to deflect the conversation by focusing on the identity of the poster, rather than the content of the post. No one has suggested anything "be done" to people. What has been suggested is that members who keep disrupting threads in which they have no interest other than disrupting the thread, control their "on a whim" trigger fingers on the 'Submit Message' button. If you aren't one of the people engaging in such behavior, and disrupting threads you don't like just for the hell of it because you can, then nothing being said in this thread is of relevance to you. There is no need for you to be personally offended. There is no need for you to come to the rescue of other members' dishonorable and rude behavior, unless you are interested in protecting your personal right to be a jerk here. As Shambles has noted, each and every poster to this forum has the ability to control what they post, and where they post. All this thread is really, is a thread begging members to EDIT THYSELF. Or as I asked in my last post, is the true goal of the members posting to this thread to entrench and maintain an anti-social forum for anti-social misfits--or as Bobert put it, a forum that is the cyber equivalent of TV wrestling? It is up to each and every poster to this forum, what type of forum this will be, because what and how we post is what determines it. |
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22 Aug 04 - 01:29 PM (#1253562) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Victor Meldrew. The odd non sequitur will always creep in, and the off-beat, off topic funny remark is not totally beyond the pale. However some eedjit jumping into an otherwise sober and sensible thread (Remember them!)with cries of, '100 Yippee' is beyond a joke. |
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22 Aug 04 - 01:31 PM (#1253565) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Jon Shambles, perhaps I should have said that, or if I had done, been more clear. I was not talking about member posts. What I was trying to say was if some idiot guest just came along and just posted a link to something sexually explicit, there wasn't a question that it should go, at least not if it was caught straight away before other posts had been added. |
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22 Aug 04 - 01:49 PM (#1253578) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Friend of Treehouse, Amos, and Victor Meldre Jon and Shambles, would you mind please moving the conversation to a thread where your perfectly legitimate issues, are relevant? We are trying to discuss a very specific problem behavior that is currently nearing epidemic proportion here, cause largely by obnoxious members. We aren't suggesting/discussing censorship, as we have stated, censorship isn't the antidote to this problem. Nor is moderation. While creating a well moderated forum back in the day would have circumvented the very problem of which we speak here, discussions of censorship and moderation really aren't relevant anymore in this forum. The only possible solution to the behavior of obnoxious members, is for members and guests alike who behave well and decently here, to ignore obnoxious members and guests. Shunning those who engage in the obnoxious behavior would be a swift antidote for those who typically refuse to control themselves (and most of us don't seem to be having much problem coming up with a 'worst offenders' list). |
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22 Aug 04 - 02:07 PM (#1253589) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace weelittledrummer, I have never found you to be obnoxious. So, what have I been missing? |
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22 Aug 04 - 06:53 PM (#1253842) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jerry Rasmussen I've avoided posting to this thread because it looked like it would quickly evolve into an "Oh yeah, you're stupid" call and response. Somehow, Treehouse's opening statements didn't sound much like a sincere effort to communicate. I also find the argument that if you insult someone, it's their fault for being insulted kinda stange. There is a big difference between disagreements, even heated disagreemnts, and outright mean-spirited insults. I've seen what has happened to Don Firth and if people wish to brush that off as just a "disagreement" or suggest that Don was being overly sensitive, then I question how they carry on a respectful conversation with anyone. What bothers me is that I've seen another music community destroyed by a few people who thought that they could say anything they wanted, no matter how cruel-hearted and that if people didn't like it, they should leave. That's exactly what finally happened. What had been a lively, mostly mutually supportive community of people is now a ghost town. I still have several wonderful friends that I made in that community, and I have many here. It bothers me that fewer and fewer of them seem to be participating these days. One of the arguments I hear is that this is like the Wild West and only those who are "strong" survive in here. That's confusing strength with volume. There is something unrealistic about a internet community because in 3D people would never get away with the guly insults they toss around so casually in here. I like the people in mudcat. I enjoy having a conversation, and I appreciate the generosity and kind-heartedness I've come to know in here. I just hate to see it diminished. Jerry |
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22 Aug 04 - 07:23 PM (#1253869) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Pogo It all reminds me of the Monty Python Arguement Clinic skit, actually. Some people love to argue. I can't say I see the point of it. Perpetuating contention for the pure love of contention is just annoying, it doesn't prove how smart or sophisticated you are. As for dismissing the humor threads I say this... " A little nonsense Now and then Is cherished by The wisest men " I like a little side of whimsy every once in a while, it's a breath of fresh air. Life would be unbearable if we were serious all of the time. So there. My two cents... |
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22 Aug 04 - 07:50 PM (#1253898) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Argument is a funny word - it can mean a discussion between people who disagree about some thing, or it can mean a quarrel. And those aren't the same thing by any means. Discussing disagreements is a useful thing to do. Letting that turn into a quarrel isn't. Some people seem to find it hard not to turn discussions into arguments. Sometimes I get the impression that it's not that the disagreement build up into a quarrel, it that people are looking for a quarrel for its own sake, and just about any pretext will serve. I wholly agree with Jerry in finding absurd the notion that "If you insult someone, it's their fault for being insulted". At the same time I don't think that the fact we've been insulted in a forum like this ever means that we are justified in throwing insults back. "It takes two to tango." |
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22 Aug 04 - 07:59 PM (#1253910) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Cluin No, McGrath, my post was not directed at you. If it was I would have PMed you. Sorry it looked that way and also sorry for the late reply; I was on the road this weekend. And WYSIWYG, what you refer to above is known as: Smurfing - smacking your partner in the face with your penis, also known as a "Danza Slap" because of an urban legend that Tony Danza did this in a porno movie early in his career, as in the sentence... "It's a real Danza Slap if you say `Who's the Boss?' while you're doing it; otherwise it's just plain old Smurfing, man." |
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22 Aug 04 - 08:05 PM (#1253916) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles I wholly agree with Jerry in finding absurd the notion that "If you insult someone, it's their fault for being insulted". At the same time I don't think that the fact we've been insulted in a forum like this ever means that we are justified in throwing insults back. "It takes two to tango." You mean like these examples (for others to follow) from our volunteers? Shambles, go whine somewhere else, or maybe we should start threads about you and the sheep or something. But Shambles believes in this sort of thing, so I think that maybe this would be a good opportunity to smear his reputation. Shambles, I'm sick of you and your shit. Ah, Shambles - we make an exception for you, since you seem to think it's a good thing to have personal attacks. We want to keep you happy, after all. Your whining is so annoying. Now there are some worse examples, if you wish me to find them? |
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22 Aug 04 - 08:10 PM (#1253923) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Why don't I address Bobert's concerns instead of attacking Treehouse. Let me explain. For one, Bobert's concerns weren't on this thread when I posted, and even if they were, I'm not required to respond in the way that someone, later, wishes I would've. This goes back to my point about absurd, unrealistic, autistic fantasies of social interaction. Second, I'm not really attacking Treehouse, or his futile desire to control a coalescence of social tone and manners by dictating what he or she prefers. A previous post in which I simply made fun of Treehouse in my preferred pathetic manner didn't take, for some reason. So I then decided to post "seriously" in my best version of what manner I can gather that Treehouse prefers. If I'm now also required to share Treehouse's point of view and concerns as well, because Bobert seems to reflect some of them in another post, then you are an absolute moron, no joke intended, and you should try to get help that I'm not qualified to provide. I've answered those concerns anyway. I obviously don't share them and can't be drafted by hook or crook. I know where to go for more polite discussions, on subjects of particular interest to me, where more on-topic ettiquette suits me better. Here I'm satisfied with letting others post in ways I may not like, if I can post in ways they might not like. Treehouse simply doesn't like it, and as simply, I do. I'm sorry, that's all. |
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22 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM (#1253944) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Thanks for clarifying that, Cluin - and that was a good example of why it's not a good idea to snap back too strong when you think someone's aimed something at you. |
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22 Aug 04 - 09:03 PM (#1253991) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow As usual, McGrath chooses to deflect the conversation by focusing on the identity of the poster, rather than the content of the post. Not so, nameless friend. The point in question wasn't one of identity as such - I don't know anything about the identity of more than a handful of people here - it was about the intention of the post which launched this thread, and the subsequent posts by the same person. |
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22 Aug 04 - 11:42 PM (#1254109) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Fred, you know what? Referring to a poster expressing their opinion on posters disrupting and derailing threads isn't the equivalent of (your words) "futile desire to control a coalescence of social tone and manners by dictating what he or she prefers". That is just plain bogus. And adding insults about the person's opinion being "absurd, unrealistic, autistic fantasies" because you disagree with the strong opinion being expressed, isn't much of a contribution or a furthering of understanding. As if that was your intention. |
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23 Aug 04 - 12:00 AM (#1254115) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Like Jeryy Rasmussen and others I've avoided this thread until now. What Happened to the fun threads? lets not forget why we came here [we share a love of folk and traditional music and song] why so much moaning? Shambles-And as for you!, why don't you just give it a rest? you are a constant whinge, whinge, whinge! you quoute Joe [who does a lot of work here for free, you are constantly on his case [because he moved/closed/deleted one of your threads? talk about bearing a grudge eh! LEAve the bloke alone, eventually he might say "fuck this, it ain't worth the hassle" he could quite easily sit and watch television, or go to the pub, or loads of other stuff like that. Max owns the site, but he is busy trying to earn a living, raise a family, pay the bills etc. Joe is retired, and chooses to spend some of his time here helping out, waht thanks does he get? you fucking moan all the time! so waht if he delted/closed your thread, its just a website! get a life! |
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23 Aug 04 - 12:19 AM (#1254121) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace GUEST: I have a question for you. |
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23 Aug 04 - 02:23 AM (#1254192) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Subject: RE: Can we (meaning you) rename a thread? From: The Shambles Date: 14-Aug-04 - 02:30 AM Wesley S came up with the following [posted in the latest 'hug and prayer complaint thread]- it says more in a few lines than I can ever manage, in my long-winded way. Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others As it was not a suggestion of mine, is there any chance of you putting this wonderful common sense into the FAQ and in the headings of the various forums? [crediting Wesley S of course] The starting point is setting the example that accepts that none of us here really have any control over the posts and ideas of others - only ourselves. That is something I would have thought that the Joe Offer I first came across and greatly respected in the forum, accepted and set the best example in. |
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23 Aug 04 - 02:40 AM (#1254199) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull shambles=really, really big writing =SHUT UP! |
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23 Aug 04 - 03:07 AM (#1254215) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to hide the bodies where they can't be found. |
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23 Aug 04 - 03:13 AM (#1254223) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Fooles Troupe I thought Smurfs were little blue cartoon people from one of the Scandanavian countries... There was even a Smurf Song that made it into the Hot Parade - anyone remember it? Robin (Now its a music thread!) |
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23 Aug 04 - 03:16 AM (#1254225) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull I see Mr Shambles doesn't answer me! |
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23 Aug 04 - 05:23 AM (#1254303) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John MacKenzie j0hn,while I enjoy most of your posts, and suspect there is an intelligent person lurking under a lot of your off beat posts, you are becoming part of the problem, and not the solution. Personal attacks, comments, and dredging up postings from 1999 solve nothing, and are mean spirited. The title of this thread is "What to do about obnoxious MC members", it is an invitation to contribute ideas to help stop the nastiness, not to illustrate the problem. Giok |
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23 Aug 04 - 08:25 AM (#1254395) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Beast of Farlington Time to start a thread about long, boring, sanctimonious threads rather than humorous ones, I think. |
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23 Aug 04 - 09:22 AM (#1254427) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others Quite right, Shanbles. But it applies to you as well. |
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23 Aug 04 - 11:12 AM (#1254507) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Yes Kevin......And am I glad you agree. I feel that there are many like me who do actually like our forum - as it is, warts and all and are happy for it to reflect all of the contributions that Max has invited. Sadly those that do not accept this have and are still constantly trying to change it by these complaints. And sadder still, those complaints, usually to judge the worth of what and how other people post, (and which is no none else's business) have been encouraged. For example, rather than accepting that Max has invited people to post what they like and to use their own name or no name at all - Some posters continue to judge others and insist that guests use a consistent name, even when it is perfectly clear that Max has no intention of imposing this change...... Folk do have a right to express a view, folk also have a right to agree or to disagee with that view and also to ingore anything they wish or which is not to their taste...Perhaps we can finally accept this? |
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23 Aug 04 - 12:00 PM (#1254534) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D I'm not sure you quite realize, Shambles, that the logical extension of your position is that 'freedom to post what they like' INCLUDES the freedom to note objectionable behavior. McGrath & I ...and others...have long said, and by your logic, have the right to say, that we do not appreciate anonymous trolling. All those folks would have to do is pick a name and those complaints would drop to zero. (oh, sure,arguments with them would continue, but about issues). Max has also said that the volunteers can and will continue to do some forms of editing of posts that you often object to. You seem to wish to pick & choose which of Max's edicts you will follow. (sometimes I wonder if this whole thing is providing someone data for a PhD in Sociology... "Interactive Personal Dynamics in Semi-Moderated Forums") |
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23 Aug 04 - 12:24 PM (#1254543) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Bill you and anyone else has every right to express your opinion. When complaints are made and encouraged to made about what and how others posters contribute in the hope that editing action is imposed -or these posters are forced to post in the manner you require of them, that is another thing. Is it setting a very positive example? Making ground for this, has been encouraged for a long time but will never ever satisfy those encouraged. Perhaps it is time for some of the the more tolerant among us who generally like our forum as it is, to be listened to for once? Perhaps those who do not accept the reality of what our forum is, can just be encouraged to stop complaining about other posters or to go somewhere else? The routine imposition of editing action is a big thing for the individual concerned. I trust you agree with that? Encouraging posters to request that editing action be imposed in secret upon others by unknown volunteers is not in any spirit of The Mudcat that I understand. This example just encourages more people to feel that the routine imposition of this is acceptable and the only answer. |
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23 Aug 04 - 12:35 PM (#1254552) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow But you must admit you do rather go on about it. Past the point when it ceases to be helpful to anybody, in my view, and I am pretty sure. A bit more "serenity to accept the things they cannot change" might be appropriate. |
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23 Aug 04 - 12:37 PM (#1254554) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jerry Rasmussen Shambles: We seem to be talking apples and orangutans. I think everyone in here agrees that there should be room for disagreements, and even heated arguments. I agree with that. If you go back to the title of this thread, it is NOT What to do about Mudcatters who disagree with us? That is not the issue, and this thread goes on endlessly not discussing the issue. The issue is people who come in to a thread, not to post their agreement, but to immediately attack other posters with obscenities and personal insults. I have not seen you do that, so you are not one of the people I am talking about. Rather than continuously discussing freedom of speech and the right to disagree (which everyone agrees upon,) how about commenting on whether or not you are comfortable with people who come onto a thread and start attacking other Catters with a string of obscenities. Respectfully, Jerry |
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23 Aug 04 - 01:01 PM (#1254583) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John Routledge It may also be helpful to look at "Interactive Personal Dynamics in Semi-Moderated Forums" Perhaps Bill would like to start a thread. I am not brave enough :0) |
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23 Aug 04 - 01:03 PM (#1254587) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST It is hard to make a collective decision regarding your 'obnoxious' members, because there is not a collective opinion. Take your lovely MG as an example, those who have encountered him seem to fall into three distinctive camps : 1. Insult him right back. 2. Ignore him. 3. Humour him so as not to be his next target. What kind of action would need to be taken re this member, in order to please all above camps? |
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23 Aug 04 - 01:20 PM (#1254598) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse Good question Guest 1:03. I can only speak for myself, of course. My strategy regarding the MGs of Mudcat has been pretty consistent, though not 100%. I nearly always choose option 2. My results have been very good with that option. #1 demeans me, so I'd rather not. And #2 means it is irrelevant if I am his target, because I care not one iota what the MGs of the world have to say about me. Why would I? They are jerks. It isn't a terribly complex forumula. It makes for a much better online experience everywhere I've ever posted except in this forum. Not only does everyone revel in this Tourette syndrome sort of behavior, ie completely out of the blue interrupting threads and hurling abuse at those carrying on a conversation, but there are membership bonus points when the interruptions are done in a thread started by non-members, and a regular lemming effect when members direct their animosity towards named or unnamed guests. This thread illustrates my point quite well, actually. Even though I am posting politely with the 'From' line filled in, as all members insist must be done to be polite and not be viewed as a troll, I have been consistently accused of posting anonymously in this thread. I am not anonymous, I am Treehouse. But because that name has never been used at Mudcat before (I checked before using it), it still makes me "the outsider". Outsiders are easy pickings around this place. But now, many members are beginning to feel the pain. Because if the entire forum supports members getting their jollies by abusing guests (regardless of whether or not the 'From' line is filled in consistently with the same word/name), it is a quick slippery slope to abusing one another. Which is what has happened here. You see, these sorts of double standards for behavior never work the way people say they do. People here have been saying for years that guests bloody well deserve to be abused because they aren't members. Now, it looks as if the new Mudcat majority is deciding that if it is acceptable to abuse guests, why not members they dislike too? So then, you gets what you gets. Which is what ya got here. |
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23 Aug 04 - 02:14 PM (#1254636) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Larry K I tend to agree with Little Hawk and Amos. I would hate to censor anything on this forum- it gives too much power to the person who makes that choice. There are always 100 different threads to look at. If you don't like one or think it is silly- don't open it. If enough people don't open it, the thread will go away. I only have time to look at 5-6 threads a day. Sometimes music, sometimes non music. It just depends what cathes my eye that day. But my eye is different than your eye. I wouldn't expect others to have my exact interests. Therefore, I like having all the choices. Even if some are "SHITE". I also don't expect anyone to have my same lack of taste in humor. A person in my office said she completely understood my sense of humor and I suggested counceling. To me, the forum is kind of like a song swap. The less rules the better. If someone wants to sing "Kumbaya" let them. Otherwise, somebody will be telling the rest of us what we must sing. |
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23 Aug 04 - 03:33 PM (#1254690) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller But Guest, as I explained, these are not examples of my hurling insults, these are my NICE ones. I posted these instead. From my point of view, you and Treehouse ARE the Mudcat majority in that you and your ilk don't think my posts are as funny as I think they are. Pointing to some Mudcat Majority apart from yourselves is therefore bogus, and does not lead to any further understanding of what I want you to understand. I have only one anonymous guest in my camp, that's all. And even I am beginning to suspect it's me, posting how much I like my own posts. Please allow me to imagine that I've thought about this before, and to feel on the whole that any remedy would be worse than the problem. Please? Can you please let me have my opinion, then patiently teach me how to better express it in the manner you want to hear? I'm trying, honest. |
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23 Aug 04 - 05:42 PM (#1254739) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow "We seem to be talking apples and orangutans" - lovely coinage Jerry. One for the Mudcat Quotations thread, which exists around here somewhere. |
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23 Aug 04 - 08:12 PM (#1254841) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow And I've stuck it in there now - Mudcat Gallery of Quotations |
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23 Aug 04 - 08:35 PM (#1254863) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Treehouse, please consider. This thread begins with insults, unnecesary rude remarks, calling some threads that nobody is asking you to participate in or read at all "boring." And calling people Brits. Nicer people than I are willing to hold your hand through confronting something obvious. You are to some people what some other people seem to you. You are, in places, insulting, tedious, mechanical, haughty, and moronic. Guest, I too can review and red-mark like a school-teacher. Who can't? Guest doesn't play well with others. I'm being polite enough for the tone that was established, in point of fact. I'm not using naughty words either. The thing to do here is to do what you do better, and draw people in by their recognition of the value, interest, and fun of what you are doing or saying. Or is positive appreciation, as in taking the time to "get" people, and modest self-regard (in my case, sadly, mock-modest, because of my freaking awesomeness) not useful toward understanding? |
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23 Aug 04 - 08:53 PM (#1254872) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D "...it still makes me "the outsider". Outsiders are easy pickings around this place." *tsk*..we have many regulars who post with a consistent name as 'guest' for one reason or other and have NO problems being respected and enjoyed. I have NO problems with 'treewind' not being a 'member'....if I ever have a disagreement with Treewind, it will be on the basis of what he/she says.... The problem of people posting long, involved arguments and promoting political agendas while refusing to use any name is an entirely different issue. It is a rude, tedious way of behaving, and to then accuse those who call attention to it of the rude behavior is the height of arrogance. Try it the polite way..pick a name, stick to it, and you will get all the thoughtful 'discussion' you want from almost everyone! You don't have to set a cookie and leave yourself open to PMs...just give us the respect of allowing us to reply without complicated references to time and quotations! as I have said for YEARS, being obnoxious is not confined to "guests", but when a member is obnoxious, there are ways to deal with it...and IF they go over certain lines, as a couple have done, (You will notice how generous the 'line' is by how much MG gets away with),Management has options. Non-members can ignore civility with impunity unless entire IP addresses are blocked. |
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23 Aug 04 - 09:01 PM (#1254877) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST But but but Bill D, now that you have made your point again, the next time you stumble across a thread that confuses you, just move on. Please don't interrupt it with the same old blarney as you have just trotted out. It spoils it for those of who have kept a grasp on it. |
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23 Aug 04 - 09:54 PM (#1254919) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D confused? No, *grin* just consistent. as long as you stand in the shadows and refer to a request for fairness as 'blarney', you take your chances, I'm afraid. If you choose to keep your position that you can be above common courtesy, I may choose to keep commenting when I notice...ok? You can always ignore ME and continue your shadow posting...all I can hope for is that others might see the point and cease replying to those who refuse to have ANY identity. and I think "..those of who have kept a grasp on it." need to get a better hold, on both politeness AND editing... |
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23 Aug 04 - 10:08 PM (#1254931) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST OKEY DOKEY Billy boy, we'll make sure the words "CONSISTENT ON THE ANONYMOUS GUEST THING AT THE MUDCAT FORUM" makes it on to your grave stone, along side YOUR NAME IN LIGHTS so EVERYONE will know what your identity in this life was. It's going to be SO important in the big scheme of things, after all. |
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23 Aug 04 - 10:10 PM (#1254934) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D ain't gonna HAVE a gravestone....you'll hafta put up a commerative plaque. Your choice on the lights... |
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23 Aug 04 - 11:11 PM (#1254984) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous Guest, Treehouse I really think that you are the real problem here. Pompous. Snobby. Bitchy. Update. controlling. Unhappy in life. Isn't it obvious to all that you are incapable of orgasm? |
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23 Aug 04 - 11:16 PM (#1254990) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,.gargoyle
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23 Aug 04 - 11:29 PM (#1255003) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous The Captain's daughter is a hermophodite |
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24 Aug 04 - 01:16 AM (#1255054) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Skipjack K8 Damn, I've just wasted an entire weekend on the boat when I should have been here reading 186 posts that I don't now have time to read. Can anyone who is keeping the score do a quick precis on what has thus far been achieved? Double damn, that's the minute I was prepared to devote to this investment in the future all used up............. |
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24 Aug 04 - 02:25 AM (#1255076) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Rather than continuously discussing freedom of speech and the right to disagree (which everyone agrees upon,) how about commenting on whether or not you are comfortable with people who come onto a thread and start attacking other Catters with a string of obscenities. I have gotten rather used to being personlly attacked by guests, named guests, fellow members and volunteers. I am not comfortable with it no, it is not very pleasant but folk are only following or reacting to, the (poor) example shown. It is probably a matter of opinion as to who is considered obnoxious. The people you seem to be worried about and making a awful fuss about - are the very least of our problems and are very easily dealt with. But the trusted and true method of doing this does not generally find favour here as ignoring obvious attempts to only cause trouble, is not thought to be as much fun as insulting right back. Stop feeding the oran-utangs with oranges and they will go away. Sadly that still leaves us with the routine reactive imposed editing which is the only (fun) method of dealing with this problem, which has never worked and then will be focused entirely on the contributions of others, which may not conform. As for me going on. As this thread seems to be based on the false premise that this is now an un-moderated forum, so perhaps certain individuals do well understand what I am trying to demonstrate and are fed up with keep seeing it - however, there are obviously many others who do not. The question that I am asking is what are those that are aware, going to actually do about it (other than just critise me and try to stay sitting on the fence), some hoping perhaps to get an edit button of their very own? |
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24 Aug 04 - 02:27 AM (#1255078) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Or apples.............. |
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24 Aug 04 - 05:46 AM (#1255132) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Its not an unmoderated forum, its a moderately moderated forum and has been for a long time. |
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24 Aug 04 - 09:36 AM (#1255242) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow This is the very model of a moderated forum, Occasionally troubled by a sad lack of decorum, When GUESTS without a name and occasionally some resident Lets slip some vulgar comment that insults the Yankee President, Or uses words unseemly from some insolent vocubalary That would once have earned a visit from a stern constablulary. But there's no need to worry, Uncle Joe will sort the matter out And purge the Mudcat of the stuff that really is much better out, Though some there are who view this trend with irritated attitude And even criticise at times, with evident ingratitude, Evoking angry cries from those who hasten to assure 'em "This is the very model of a moderated forum". |
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24 Aug 04 - 09:47 AM (#1255254) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Perhaps a look at some of the threads on the Mudcat Help Forum will enable folk to make up their own minds? You may even find a request there that your 'song' be removed from the BS forum....... http://help.mudcat.org/threads.cfm Perhaps you are right - a move to a song challenge in this thread may be a good idea? I will start...To the tune of Who Wants To Be A Volunteer? Who wants to be a volunteer - I do....... |
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24 Aug 04 - 09:49 AM (#1255257) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Wasn't there another more famous 'Uncle Joe'? |
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24 Aug 04 - 10:05 AM (#1255270) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Dave Bryant If any attractive ladies wish to stop me from being obnoxious, they could always seduce me. That would keep me off the net for at least 5 minutes ! |
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24 Aug 04 - 10:39 AM (#1255281) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage This is the very model of a moderated forum, Very nice, Kevin! SRS |
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24 Aug 04 - 11:17 AM (#1255315) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D "Do you wanta go to Mudcat, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe-? Do you wanta post on Mudcat, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe? Do you wanta chat on Mudcat, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe?" "I don't mind the chatter, if the guests don't blow" "Will you promise to be civil, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe? Will your posts be light and cheery, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe? Will your drivel be deleted, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe?" "I don't mind the chatter, if the guests don't blow" (fiddle break) pass the creative torch to next in circle. |
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24 Aug 04 - 12:10 PM (#1255378) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John MacKenzie Mudcatters, Mad as hatters Argueing incessantly on silly little matters Mudcatters Daft as batters Trumping on like Catspaw, his pants must be in tatters Madcatters Christians, Hindus, Latters Yapping on like terriers, those enthusiastic ratters Mudcatters Taller thinner fatters Fingers on thier keyboards, going pitter pitter patters. Giok |
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24 Aug 04 - 12:20 PM (#1255387) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk There's a very simple remedy to even the most obnoxious members. Turn off the computer and do something real instead. |
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24 Aug 04 - 12:25 PM (#1255394) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos Psychiatrist: Zo!! Vot did you DO ven you realized you had multiple personality disorder? Patient: I started a chat room. |
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24 Aug 04 - 12:46 PM (#1255408) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Don Firth I think people with multiple personalities should share them with those who don't have any. Don Firth |
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24 Aug 04 - 01:01 PM (#1255420) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Such as? |
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24 Aug 04 - 01:02 PM (#1255422) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,William Shatner You people amaze me. Do like my book says and "Get A Life!" |
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24 Aug 04 - 01:06 PM (#1255425) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John MacKenzie But Bill, you are only a figment of Ellenpoly's imagination, so you don't have a life yourself. Giok |
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24 Aug 04 - 04:48 PM (#1255584) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller I like it that the forum is un-moderated generally, but without forsaking the option. And if I could impose on a Joe-clone, I'd like to moderately alter my post above where I said "And calling people Brits". This joke would be better rendered "And calling people the B-word". This would seem at first to refer back to a discussion of "Bitch-slapping" but instead, then I say "Brits". Get it? Thanks. And please do not interpolate a long empty space between the set-up "B-word" and the punch-line "Brits". The joke is not good enough to pause for, even with the changes, and should be simply tossed off, as if at full typing speed, maintaining an appearance of the casual and effortless wit for which, I think it's fair to say, I am generally known. Don't forget to then also delete this post and it's reference to the editing changes required to improve the previous post. The proposed amendment will clarify the general spirit of the post, as a merely playful, albeit pathetic attempt to be amusing, and will therefore be less likely to give any actual offence to persons of the Brit persuasion, or to others who may mistake the tone and intention as purposefully rude. Thanks in advance if this correction can be accomplished. |
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24 Aug 04 - 05:01 PM (#1255601) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Yes! The terrible "B" word. Fred, your sagacity on hot liberal issues never fails to impress me. |
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24 Aug 04 - 07:01 PM (#1255722) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: CarolC I think, when they make the movie version of Fred Miller's life, William Shatner should play the part of Fred Miller. He'd be perfect! |
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24 Aug 04 - 07:06 PM (#1255727) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk That is a brilliant thought, Carol! I am odd. No...I mean awed. Well, both of those, I guess. |
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24 Aug 04 - 07:08 PM (#1255731) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Is the Y-word acceptable? |
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24 Aug 04 - 07:28 PM (#1255750) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk No! And the "L" word isn't either. |
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24 Aug 04 - 07:28 PM (#1255751) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: CarolC The Y word is acceptible if you're addressing me, McGrath, because I am a true Yankee. I was born in Rhode Island, which is definitely Yankee territory. If you call people who are not from the northeastern part of the US a Yankee, you might get some complaints. |
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24 Aug 04 - 08:59 PM (#1255832) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller I love the "when" Carol C. When they make the movie of my life. They better hurry up, to get Shatner. But it may be possible now with computer imaging to play larger film roles post-humously. Hm. |
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24 Aug 04 - 09:06 PM (#1255838) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: pdq I agree. Play roles. Post humorously. |
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25 Aug 04 - 03:04 AM (#1255988) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,SueB Guest of Aug 23 at 1:03 PM seems to be under the erroneous impression that Martin Gibson is universally feared and disliked. I would like to remind him/her that he was correct when saying there's no such thing as a collective opinion, and I wish to take this opportunity to mention a few things I like about MG He's very direct. He's not a phoney, or wishy washy, or insincere. He's reliable, and consistent, and politically incorrect, which takes some courage. You always know where you stand with Martin Gibson. I don't agree with 99% of what he posts, but so what? What the hell, live and let live. There are other people who post here who irritate me more. If they can tolerate me, I can tolerate them. As my very weird friend told me a few weeks ago when I was all upset about a woman who went off at me in a very intense and unexpected manner, "You gots to chew the meat, and spit out the bones." It ain't always going to be prime rib. |
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25 Aug 04 - 04:28 AM (#1256026) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Georgiansilver GUEST Sue B I agree with you in all except the "not a phoney bit"...of course he is a phoney but everyone knows that...if he weren't a phoney in the way he behaved toward others on here then he would be one well screwed up individual, Best wishes. |
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25 Aug 04 - 07:51 AM (#1256136) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle Mention of The Smurfs made me think about the narure of this thread and its inherent contradictions. You see one of my best mates is The Smurfs. He plays all the music and he does all the voices on their records. He is certainly the finest musician ant the cleverest studio engineer I have ever met, and a really nice cultured man. But all the gold discs on his wall are for being a Smurf - well maybe one or two others but certainly the most of them are. Now some people see the Smurfs as garbage, a waste of the world's finite resources - Oasis won't even let them parody their songs. and yet some people obviously have derived much pleasure from The Smurfs. I like the Smurf input into Mudcat - probably more than I do the anal music stuff. I suspect I'm obnoxious on both counts. A good religious upbringing will do that for you. You see brethren, Jesus had it about right when he said, he who casts the first stone, let him first remove Smurfs greatest hits from his own cd collection |
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25 Aug 04 - 08:10 AM (#1256159) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow I'm afraid people back here say "Yanks" they don't make any distinction between what part of the States you come from. ...................... Of MG He's not a phoney... or insincere. Well, he has repeately said that he is precisely those things. I'd prefer to think that he's speaking the truth when he says that, and that the hatred is just an act. |
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25 Aug 04 - 09:45 AM (#1256245) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,fred miller but if someone tells you they are phoney and insincere, should you believe them? It's like the parodox of the Roman who tells you all Romans are liars. I don't mind Martin G, and he's forthright and helpful when he decides to be. He does a stock bit to stir things up, but doesn't dress his unreasonable side up in long complicated pseudo-reason. I wish I could say I personally knew the Smurfs. Maybe I will anyway. Maybe they could be in the movie of my life. I'm feeling a little blue. |
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25 Aug 04 - 10:16 AM (#1256286) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos See, that's what I yam talking about!! Smurf's Greatest Hits? Oy!!! Thanks for the grin, WLD. A |
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25 Aug 04 - 10:41 AM (#1256306) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,SueB I don't read every post by every member, and most of the time lately I don't even open more than 5 or 6 threads on any given day, not unless I have a project I'm REALLY procrastinating on, so if I'm wrong about the sincerity thing, oh well - my impression may not be based on the same experience you may have had, but even this illustrates my point - which is - oh nevermind. Weelittledrummer has the best post on the subject. Good post, wld. |
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25 Aug 04 - 04:17 PM (#1256638) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle Dear Fred However blue you are feeling - I think it most unlikely that bringing The Smurfs into your biopic could be anything but a subtraction from this upcoming film's undoubted merits. Aim higher. One of the reason God gave us fingers was to switch off The Smurfs. best wishes for happier moods |
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25 Aug 04 - 06:36 PM (#1256811) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous What happens when a Smurf gets the blues? I mean, how deep can it get? |
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25 Aug 04 - 06:48 PM (#1256834) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Cluin Ask Smurfette. |
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25 Aug 04 - 07:32 PM (#1256894) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: khandu Many posts to this thread. Many opinions expressed. Much frustration, many good intentions & much humor. I love this place. I have gained much from my trips here. . . much BS & much useable info, along with a few pricked feelings. But I love this place! There have been several similar threads over the years. They eventually fell of the board to gather dust in the threadcellars below. Those who posted to them were much as those who have posted to this one. . . intense, insulted, frustrated, tickled, humorous, happy. Soon, this thread will join them in the dusty dungeons. And things will generally remain the same. This thread, as all its "ilk", is an exercise in futility. Only this, and nothing more. However, I am compelled to say these following things: MOAB was NOT created on a whim, LH!! It was created on a Fancy! Please get your facts straight before stating them as fact! Yes, I am sure you will argue there is merely a thin thin line between a whim & a fancy, but I agree! There is a thin line BUT THE LINE DOES EXIST!! Some have said that Joe Offer is "obnoxious". Perhaps. . . but let none say that Joe Offer is an Igmo! He is not! Amos, personally, I have always thought you bore a striking resemblance to Shatner in your wit & your writing style. Others have expressed this privately! Thank you for the podium for this brief period! My Mom thanks you, my pop thanks you & my ilk thanks you! k |
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25 Aug 04 - 09:09 PM (#1256956) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller You may be right, Martin, I really only know the Smurfs from a Robert Smigel parody about Anna Nicole Smith getting a yeast infection. My kids are hooked on The Simpsons now. |
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25 Aug 04 - 09:17 PM (#1256966) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous I would have loved to have seen that parady. I wonder if Anna used that medication that gives one a purple pussy. |
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12 Nov 05 - 06:49 AM (#1602958) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Are you considered by others as an obnoxious MC member? |
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12 Nov 05 - 07:22 AM (#1602964) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle 'gives one' ...? - you mean YOU had a purple minge Martin.....? Bloody hell! I never considered for moment that you might be female Martin. Forgive me if I ever said anything ungallant or discourteous in your presence. al |
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12 Nov 05 - 07:45 AM (#1602966) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST who are the obnoxious MC members. each person name one. lighthearred fun really |
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12 Nov 05 - 08:49 AM (#1603002) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: kendall Why do we care for the opinion of someone whom we neither know or give a damn for? I still say, anything goes except personal attacks. |
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12 Nov 05 - 09:03 AM (#1603008) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Mick Ignore them, in fact, ignore this thread. I won't be back. |
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12 Nov 05 - 09:10 AM (#1603011) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jeri From: Martin Gibson Date: 25 Aug 04 ...................Straight to: From: The Shambles Date: 12 Nov 05 |
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12 Nov 05 - 09:32 AM (#1603020) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John Routledge Well unsaid jeri. |
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12 Nov 05 - 09:38 AM (#1603022) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: wysiwyg I don't think Shambles was addressing MG. I think he was speaking to us all collectively, as an opening salvo in using this thread to renew his prosecution of his position about Mudcat moderators. ~S~ |
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12 Nov 05 - 12:27 PM (#1603099) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk What do we do with them? Simple. Find out where they live. Hunt them down with torches and bloodhounds. Tie them hand and foot. Try them in a citizens' court. Condemn them to hideous torture. Strip them naked, flay them alive, make them watch "Gidget Goes Hawaiian" 85 times in a row, and then hurl them into a pit full of starving rats. If they survive, present them with either an accordion or a banjo, forgive them all their sins, and send them off rejoicing. That oughta do it. |
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12 Nov 05 - 07:18 PM (#1603311) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: SmileHabitat Nice to see folks coming in here to tell everyone this is a bad, bad thread and they aren't going to post to it. |
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12 Nov 05 - 10:18 PM (#1603395) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Thanks, Shambles. There are more than a few obnoxious members here. The whole radical socialist crowd that won't let people think for themselves is a good start. Right, Amos? |
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12 Nov 05 - 10:49 PM (#1603411) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Indeed there are, all the saints are sinners |
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13 Nov 05 - 01:05 AM (#1603516) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Did you ever notice that it's always darkest during the storm and at night when there is no light? |
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13 Nov 05 - 02:26 PM (#1603892) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp To quote Mick Jagger, "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke." - Chongo |
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13 Nov 05 - 02:40 PM (#1603899) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Chongo, sometimes you just amaze me with your widsom for a primate. |
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14 Nov 05 - 01:51 AM (#1604322) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Primate = A senior clegyman and dignitary. Most of our fellow primates tend to show a lot more wisdom (and indeed dignity) than most of our species display. |
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14 Nov 05 - 02:00 AM (#1604325) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp I'm religious about long-legged dames and mangos. And good whisky. All three together can put you in a totally altered state. - Chongo |
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14 Nov 05 - 09:12 PM (#1605167) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Joe_F 10% of the cost of freedom is defending it. The other 90% is putting up with it. --- Joe Fineman joe_f@verizon.net ||: If we were all good liars, there would be little commendation of honesty. :|| |
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28 Mar 12 - 02:25 PM (#3330218) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Things haven't improved much outside this place either. |
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28 Mar 12 - 02:58 PM (#3330239) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu It only takes one bad asshole to spoil the bunch. |
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28 Mar 12 - 03:02 PM (#3330241) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: VirginiaTam GNU!!! Imagery is a terrible thing to abuse. I cannot get the picture out of my head of bunches of bad assholes. Thanks for that! |
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28 Mar 12 - 03:33 PM (#3330252) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Ebbie lol |
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28 Mar 12 - 03:40 PM (#3330260) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: katlaughing Somewhere, could have been here, I read/heard the following: The mother of assholes is always pregnant! (I think it was a Mexican quote on the tv series WEEDS.) |
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28 Mar 12 - 04:10 PM (#3330272) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jeri I've got a lovely bunch of butt holes There they are all sitting in a row Big ones, small ones, all sizes I will bet Give them a cork or a poke with a fork Cuz this is the internet I've got a lovely bunch of butt holes They want so much for you to pay them mind If you post, you're flamin' toast Singing pucker sphincters up there back behind Pucker up back there behind (I have no clue if that scans.) Seriously, has anyone here NEVER been an asshole? Sure, some put more effort into it and seem to aspire to rectumhood, and those are the ones I really wish could be slipped some superglue Preparation H and force fed beans But assholes can be ignored (mostly) unless one actively tries to be involved in thread buggery. So, what to do? I think you have to not engage with them; turn your back and walk away, or you stand a good chance of becoming one. Complaining IS engaging, BTW. |
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28 Mar 12 - 04:43 PM (#3330286) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Chongo: "To quote Mick Jagger, "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke." I thought it was, "Joke them if they can't take a fuck!" GfS |
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28 Mar 12 - 04:44 PM (#3330287) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jeri It was Richard Pryor who said that. |
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28 Mar 12 - 04:49 PM (#3330289) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Thank you Jeri! Again you proved your insights! GfS |
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28 Mar 12 - 05:05 PM (#3330293) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu Jeri... "Seriously, has anyone here NEVER been an asshole?" I have been an asshole but it was possibly inadvertent and I apologized for my misunderstanding. My problem is with real assholes who do it for fun. They suck up to mods, post warm and fuzzy posts on threads... massage... and then troll and get nasty. It's THOSE assholes that concern me. I can be an asshole, by mistake, but I don't make that my agenda to get my rocks off. Big difference. |
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28 Mar 12 - 05:09 PM (#3330294) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Take them as part of life's floor show, and laugh at them? |
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28 Mar 12 - 06:35 PM (#3330334) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rapparee Warm and fuzzy assholes? Like those of a llama or a sheep? No, but to each his own.... |
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28 Mar 12 - 11:38 PM (#3330440) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: ollaimh i have to say i disagree that mudcat is mostly tolerasnt and progressive. i have been deeply disapointed by the intolerance and head in the sand attitudes to real abuses in society and on this list. and i can;t believe anyone thibnks little hawk is a problem. i would have thought i'd be a more likely lynch mob candidate |
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28 Mar 12 - 11:54 PM (#3330446) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: number 6 Let's face it .... all of us who post down here in the BS of the Madcat must be an asshole to some degree. biLL .. :) |
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29 Mar 12 - 12:20 AM (#3330457) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,erbert You yanks are all a bunch of assholes. I'm English, I'm an arsehole. Except for when I'm in polite company; then I'm a bottomhole. |
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29 Mar 12 - 02:28 AM (#3330475) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Ebbie bottomhole? lol |
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29 Mar 12 - 02:55 AM (#3330481) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle nobody is THAT bad on mudcat. No one farts really disgusting smells. |
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29 Mar 12 - 03:28 AM (#3330492) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity What's just as obnoxious, is the stupid perceptions some people have of perfectly normal posts....and then they accuse YOU of being obnoxious, when they misinterpret it, and get nasty about something that was not obnoxious, AT ALL!! GfS |
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29 Mar 12 - 04:24 AM (#3330505) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Megan L of course that means yer aw a bunch o bums. Dae ye want a ribbon on that? |
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29 Mar 12 - 08:13 AM (#3330567) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Wesley S Assholes on Parade |
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29 Mar 12 - 09:16 AM (#3330605) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Musket I suppose if the original poster gets upset by "British" trolling or whatever you call airing a view that is different to others. he / she / it could always keep in the top section where we have healthy debates on the 1954 folk music definition and always see the view of others... I must admit, I'll always have posts where I can question the relevance of religion, anything about football (real football not the padded helmeted nonsense between advert breaks you get in the USA,) and don't get me started on healthcare... If you want sanitised discussions, may I suggest joining a church hall debating society? if you want the breadth of opinions, I suggest Mudcat, especially when we don't get people wanting to shut the thread because that bugger over the pond has been saying things that make me upset.... There are some people on here I seriously disagree with, some I would have a beer with later and some I would pour a beer over their head (well lager anyway, beer is too good for them,) but Mudcat bullshit section is to air views. if it were any other way, there'd be no point in having it in the first place. Keep talking like that and Max will have a paddy again and spoil the fun for us all...... Discuss |
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29 Mar 12 - 09:34 AM (#3330609) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: MartinRyan Max will have a paddy again... Racist! ;>)> |
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29 Mar 12 - 11:08 AM (#3330643) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Anura What is the feminine of paddy assuming that Paddy Field from China is male. |
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29 Mar 12 - 11:25 AM (#3330645) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: MartinRyan I sem to recall a crossword clue in The Times many years ago: Clue: Periodical for an Irish man Ans. Rice paper Regards |
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29 Mar 12 - 01:11 PM (#3330688) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Musket What a wonderful word, racist. Don't have a paddy, otherwise the sandal wearing ethnic skirt wearing thought police will send you for group therapy to calm your karma or whatever such nonsense they are perceived as doing. Funny how colloquialisms have ancient origins that sneer at sections of a society, but calling someone racist for upholding local traditions, keeping heritage alive, blah blah is an opportunity to point and laugh at you. (I was delighted to see the term used not only in my native Derbyshire, but also used all the time when I was working in Dublin.) I use the term paddy, always have, always will, up yours, With affection. |
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29 Mar 12 - 01:31 PM (#3330707) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle We could have messages colour coded. If a thread has been initiated bysomeone who is bit of a turd - it could be in brown. Someone who has been proved consistently to be Irish - it could in green. Some one who is a bit of a prick - we could have their messages marked out with pictogram of a small penis. For someone who is a total prick we could have a symbol of big penis. For someone who's a bit of a twat.....and so on. In this way we could steer clear of the turds, the pricks, the twats and of course the Irish. Unless that's the sort of company that one habitually seeks out. And why else would you be a musician? |
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29 Mar 12 - 02:23 PM (#3330730) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,erbert We all..., I.. have potential to be an arsehole as much as anyone else in civilised society; though whenever I'm surrounded & cornered by smug egotistical self-righteous A holes, I'm more usually the sarcatic abrasive 'Izal - sand paper toilet roll' scraping away at the encrusted clinkers on their over sensitive doctrinaire piles and fistulae ... ... I know, bit of a shite over-heaved metaphor, but there you go, it's good enough for down here in BS. |
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29 Mar 12 - 03:52 PM (#3330752) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: VirginiaTam I use the term paddy, always have, always will, up yours and so the conversation revolves back around to the rear orifice and With affection no less. For this reason, I Y Ian Mather. IY Jeri too for the butt hole song. Laughed so hard I leaked. |
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29 Mar 12 - 04:22 PM (#3330767) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Bluesman I have never saw so much name calling and bickering on threads as there is here at the moment. Exchange of views is one thing, being downright rude is another. It used to be a very sociable atmosphere here, a few would do better taking ten steps back and giving just a little more understanding to other people's feelings. |
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29 Mar 12 - 05:46 PM (#3330795) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle 'Erbert I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you..... I'm really sorry mate - but you have been using your Izal the WRONG WAY ROUND. The smooth side is made for a smooth comfortable intercourse with the anal cavity. The rough abrasive side is so that your fingers can get effective purchase and swish and poke around effectively. I have this from the horses mouth - so to speak. I conclude by wishing you more happy and stress free wiping experience than life has hitherto granted you. |
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29 Mar 12 - 06:07 PM (#3330809) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Dave the Gnome Izal? IZAL??? Us proper men only use old newspaper lovingly cut into squares by 'er indoors and hung on nail behind the karzee door. You've never lived until you have felt the cold wind blow under t'door to bite your bollocks and then wiped your arse on a picture of some famous royal. Eeeeh. And when you tell the kids today they don't believe you. Arseholes. :D tG |
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29 Mar 12 - 06:45 PM (#3330827) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Seayaker Quite right D tG. In my grandads outdoor karzee it was squares of the Daily Telegraph. These days if you don't use the latest bio-degradeable tissue you're on the phone to DynoRod. Even the bogs had more balls in those days. |
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29 Mar 12 - 07:32 PM (#3330847) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Richard Bridge I suppose the female of Paddy (Field) could be Padded (Bra). |
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29 Mar 12 - 08:01 PM (#3330859) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu GfS.... everyone can read your posts and draw their own conclusions. You wrote them. You OWN them. Seems you just can't accept that ownership or even read your own posts and understand what you posted in the manner that you posted them. Added to that, you continue to post on threads (Bobert's) when it is clearly in poor taste and unwarranted. This thread is actually about people like you. And everyone who reads your posts knows it. Have you NO shame? or brain? |
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29 Mar 12 - 08:27 PM (#3330866) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T ""I have never saw so much name calling and bickering on threads as there is here at the moment. Exchange of views is one thing, being downright rude is another."" Bluesman.........Pot, Kettle! It's probably a waste of time and effort, but are you really unaware that you have just described yourself and your input? Don T. |
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29 Mar 12 - 10:26 PM (#3330916) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: framus I haven't been in here in over a year, but I notice that most of the obnoxious posters (In my opinion) haven't actually added to this thread! Might there be a moral here? Btw, I thought the "Fuck 'em all" line was Bette Midler. |
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29 Mar 12 - 11:23 PM (#3330936) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage Incoming!!! What tune to you propose for that ditty, Jeri? I tried "Plastic Jesus." Doesn't work. SRS |
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29 Mar 12 - 11:25 PM (#3330937) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jeri I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts? |
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29 Mar 12 - 11:51 PM (#3330950) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity gnu, Naw, Mudcat owns them..I just contributed. You post is a PERFECT example of what I was writing about, in my last post!...and by the way, Big Al Whittle's post was obnoxiously hilarious!..as were some that followed! Jeez, that guy, as of recent, really must have a fat wiggly bug up his ass.....if you can't be 'nice' try at least to be humorous! Regards Followers of Obnoxicity! GfS |
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30 Mar 12 - 03:14 AM (#3330982) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Ah, well I picked up on my old man's irony anyway. We should have a bet on who can be the biggest arsehole on the thread but if we did, when it came to paying up, the loser would Welsh on the bet causing the winner to have a paddy and those contributing to the fund would become suddenly Scottish. |
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30 Mar 12 - 03:56 AM (#3330989) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: theleveller Interesting that the most obnoxious are the ones who are whining the most about others. Personally, I feel the necessity to be an arsehole at least once a day in order to avoid controversy constipation. |
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30 Mar 12 - 04:07 AM (#3330990) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: theleveller ...dialectic diarrhoea is something else entirely. |
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30 Mar 12 - 07:56 AM (#3331055) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity The Leveller: "Interesting that the most obnoxious are the ones who are whining the most about others. Personally, I feel the necessity to be an arsehole at least once a day in order to avoid controversy constipation." Being a Mudcat 'regular', now takes on a whole new meaning....or is that a 'hole' new meaning?? Regards, you ol' fart! GfS |
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30 Mar 12 - 08:18 AM (#3331069) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle God ! Wouldn't it be great to get a job like in the military museum in Dorchester (tableau of 19th century soldier getting flogged) Alvaston Park( old lady making a peg rug) Plymouth Hoe (old salt telling about Francis Drakes game of bowls) I could be 'an old hand' sitting astride a lavatory - showing how folks used the shiny side of Izal toilet paper in the old days. Much more entertaining than making a corn dolly. |
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30 Mar 12 - 09:17 AM (#3331097) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp What do we do about them obnoxious MC members? Deny 'em their yearly quota of mangos!!! If that don't smarten them up, defenestrate the bozos! Meanin'...throw 'em out of high windows. And if that don't do it, restrict 'em to buyin' only 10 rounds of ammo a year, small caliber, .22 or less! That should do it. They will soon come around and have the sense to act decently. ;-D - Chongo |
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30 Mar 12 - 10:00 AM (#3331111) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: theleveller "Being a Mudcat 'regular', now takes on a whole new meaning....or is that a 'hole' new meaning??" As, indeed, does the Beatle's song 'We Can Work It Out' . |
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30 Mar 12 - 10:11 AM (#3331116) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Bluesman Straight talking is what I admire in a person. I always say it as I see it. It is important to consider people's feelings, no need to be nasty, we are all friends after all. |
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30 Mar 12 - 10:13 AM (#3331118) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,999 So how come you never write, you never call . . . |
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30 Mar 12 - 10:19 AM (#3331122) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,erbert A Museum is probably the only place youngest & future generations will ever get to see a roll of Izal. Let alone thrill to the first hand interactive experience of using a sheet or two in action. New old stock rolls and memorabilia are fetching increasingly extravagant auction prices, pushed up ever higher beyond £30 or more by greedy speculators and gullible private collectors. Used rolls may be more affordable, but you take your chances on condition & quality...??? |
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30 Mar 12 - 10:31 AM (#3331127) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Eliza Total thread drift, but we used to love Izal for tracing paper and paper-and-comb music. |
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30 Mar 12 - 10:48 AM (#3331132) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: theleveller Izal was one of the first advertising accounts I worked on. I remember writing the headline 'Britain's leading daily paper.' |
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30 Mar 12 - 10:49 AM (#3331133) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Musket I used to hate it for wiping me arse though. We had it at school, and as I recall, wetting it first helped. Made comb and paper a bit difficult, granted, but so long as you kept to major keys.. |
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30 Mar 12 - 11:09 AM (#3331143) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,erbert ps.. Big Al, all.. Song challenge ??? Great Britain, The Empire, the world needs a new folk song lamenting the fading socio cultural history, traumatic user memories and ultimate economic demise of Izal !!! |
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30 Mar 12 - 12:52 PM (#3331175) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Izal? Never heard of the stuff. Was it a UK phenomenon? |
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30 Mar 12 - 12:56 PM (#3331177) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Megan L It was the best ever for playing the comb and paper these modern loo rolls are for sissys |
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30 Mar 12 - 01:01 PM (#3331180) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Bluesman Izal was in every government building, hospitals, schools and we used it in the army. It was fine, although if you suffered from piles it would have cut the ass of you. |
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30 Mar 12 - 01:07 PM (#3331185) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu LH? Izal Waz was a sharp-tongued salt-addicted Arcona Jedi Knight during the Yuuzhan Vong War. So says Wiki. |
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30 Mar 12 - 01:08 PM (#3331186) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,999 You folks must come from the rich man's yard. We had to use both sides when we were kids. The difference was the grit of the paper. One side was P12 and the other P2400. |
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30 Mar 12 - 01:18 PM (#3331195) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle Days of Forty Nine I'm old Ben Bloggs From the town square bogs And mine is a mighty chore My mission is to make every bum Awfully red and sore I'm an awful chap When you sit for a crap I'll afflict you beyond reprisal I'm afraid old chum Your poor old bum Will soon be wiped raw by Izal Chorus So what care I If in pain people cry For I am a character shady Round the bogs I lurk Doing my dirty work In the Gents and in the Ladies |
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30 Mar 12 - 01:33 PM (#3331207) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity theleveller: "Being a Mudcat 'regular', now takes on a whole new meaning....or is that a 'hole' new meaning??" As, indeed, does the Beatle's song 'We Can Work It Out'." Have you considered using a corkscrew?...then you'd have fun with a hole new twist! Chubby Checker would be revived! "Come on Baby, let's do the twist...." and for constipation, you can you could repeat the chorus of 'Twistin' the Night Away'!!!" "Let's twist away, like we did last summer..." "Twist and Shout..work it on out"..."and it goes like this..you go round and round and round..." and after you make a mess, you can start 'Slip Slidin' Away'...but at least you can consider yourself a 'little hipper'!. Regards,(but change you shoes before getting on the dance floor and doing the 'Mash'!....and for the victims of constipation, "The Monster Mash" GfS |
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30 Mar 12 - 01:48 PM (#3331211) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: maeve Izal toilet paper, with suggestions for usage thereof |
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30 Mar 12 - 03:24 PM (#3331261) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Aha! I DO remember that stuff now. It used to be in those rest stops on the highways...maybe still is. And in schools and other institutions. I bet it's incredibly cheap, and that's why they use it. And, yes, it's bloody awful! What were they thinking of to invent such a product? |
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30 Mar 12 - 03:38 PM (#3331266) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Penny S. Izal's chief competitor was called Bronco. Leading to the children's ditty: Bronco, Bronco, tear it along the dotted line... You may recognise the source and the tune. I don't remember a second line, though. |
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30 Mar 12 - 04:20 PM (#3331290) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Eliza Izal was hygienic. Being slippery on one side it kept your hand dry while the non-slippery side dealt with the business! And it was impregnated with disinfectant, remember that smell? We also put a few sheets of it inside the piano at school. The result was a very pleasing percussion effect when the hammers hit the paper. ("Concerto in G for piano and Izal") |
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31 Mar 12 - 12:56 AM (#3331431) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Tastes great, too! GfS |
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31 Mar 12 - 01:25 AM (#3331433) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnomad The disinfectant in Izal was also available in liquid form (in fact I think that it still is) it had a strong and very distinctive smell. Useful for dealing with residual whiffs if you had, for instance, needed to clear an outside drain, or clean up a rubbish bin. Led to the childhood ditty- Ding dong dell, Pussy's in the well, But now we've put some Izal down, And never mind the smell. |
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31 Mar 12 - 03:11 AM (#3331446) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle Isn't it strange how folk song( real folk song) always seems to be there when our trousers are down.... |
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31 Mar 12 - 03:45 AM (#3331453) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Depends what 'instrument' you play with. GfS |
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31 Mar 12 - 06:07 AM (#3331489) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Eliza In spite of this long thread drift, isn't it nice to read some funny, good-humoured and well-mannered posts? No 'obnoxious members', and a lot of fun and pleasure. |
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31 Mar 12 - 06:36 AM (#3331497) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bee-dubya-ell Yes, the best way to get Mudcatters to behave as reasonable adults is to change the subject to something having to do with shit. (Those requiring visual cues to determine if a statement is meant seriously or humorously may imagine a "smiley face" here: _______.) |
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31 Mar 12 - 08:59 PM (#3331796) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Guest Eliza: "In spite of this long thread drift, isn't it nice to read some funny, good-humoured and well-mannered posts? No 'obnoxious members', and a lot of fun and pleasure." I find your polite and completely well meaning spirit of courtesies, especially in this forum, just a little bit TOO OBNOXIOUS. What are you up to??...Are you a troll in disguise?? Actually, WARMEST REGARDS!........(you mood wrecker) GfS |
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01 Apr 12 - 03:20 AM (#3331878) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Bee-dubta-ell: "Yes, the best way to get Mudcatters to behave as reasonable adults is to change the subject to something having to do with shit." No shit???....Naw, you're just shittin' me! Actually, if your right cheek and the left cheek would just stick together, no shit would go by! GfS |
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01 Apr 12 - 04:18 AM (#3331892) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: bubblyrat Yes, I remember Bronco very well ; both the TV series and the toilet paper . "Show me a man who's used it once I'll show you a man who's used it twice ; Once any man has used it twice He doesn't smell very nice ". Ty Hardon , wasn't it ? |
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01 Apr 12 - 05:43 AM (#3331911) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Eliza Guest from Sanity, teehee, you've guessed my secret! I'm a troll in disguise! My sickening bonhomie is guaranteed to make you puke! Hahahaha!! (Actually, best wishes to you too, you little devil!) |
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02 Apr 12 - 01:16 AM (#3332352) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity I KNEW IT!!!!! You just lay in wait to say nice things and build people up, and remind them of being basically good folks....How DARE You!?!? You must be the leader of the organization known as 'Trolls on parade'! Me?....I'm like an alien from outer space, looking for evidence of INTELLIGENT life on planet earth......this is the right place isn't it?? Oh my....I'm just SO confused......calling all trolls, calling all trolls....help me out!!! Shit, where am I??..Where's my computer??? GfS |
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02 Apr 12 - 02:59 AM (#3332365) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Eliza Guest from...er...Sanity?? I am indeed the Leader of Trolls on Parade. If you do not behave yourself, I will Cheer You Up!!! |
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02 Apr 12 - 03:43 AM (#3332370) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Damn!..I hate when that happens!!! Damn trolls!.....They make me so miserable I have fun coming on here finding them..but alas, and alack they find me first.... Your place or mine?? GfS |
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02 Apr 12 - 04:29 AM (#3332380) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jim Carroll This thread has the (not so faint) whiff of smug self-righteousneness – no intention of becoming involved, but just thought I'd share some thoughts, then go on my way. Personally I find describing members of this forum as "turds, pricks and twats" fairly obnoxious, as I do the term "obnoxious" itself. I do take offence to terms like "Paddy" when describing Irish people, as do many of my neighbours (I'm a Brit who has chosen to live in Ireland, mainly because of warm friendliness of the people here) – it is regarded as a derogatory term when used by non-Irish people just as "nigger" is considered offensive when used by non-black people. Anybody who has read any of my postings in the non-music Threads section will know that my particular thing is racism, which I have been brought up both to detest and to fear and which personal experience has introduced me first hand to the effects of. Thirty-odd years ago my wife and I began recording songs and stories from members of a community to whom racial prejudice is an everyday occurrence. That prejudice ranges from humiliating name-calling and being refused service in shops and pubs, to being deprived of basic rights that the rest of us take for granted, clean water, sanitation, ready access to medical care, education for their children, regular employment.... you name it, they don't have it. It even stretches as far as physical assaults and arson attacks aimed at whole families. The end result of all this is that members of that community have a life expectance which is at least ten years less than the rest of us. Many of the people we met over the years became close personal friends; most we recorded are now dead and the age at which most of them died bear out the life expectancy figures (re-confirmed last week in the press). So if I become stroppy when I hear terms like "nacker", "pikey" and "gyppo" (the latter two used extremely aggressively by a contributor to this thread) you'll have to put it down to my bad upbringing. An added element to this for those of us involved in traditional music is that those abusive terms and the effect they have on the community they are aimed at, include such people as Jeannie Robertson, the Stewarts, Duncan Williamson, Phoebe Smith, not to mention John Reilly, Margaret Barry, Johnny Doran, John Docherty and Tommy McCarthy, all of whom also qualify for the added description "Paddy" as well. This element isn't really relevant; nobody should be able to abuse people unchallenged in the way described, whether they are singers or musicians, or not. Of course some of us become over-enthusiastic and go over the top when we are discussing things we are passionate about, especially when they have touched us personally. I am disturbed and not a little ashamed that on occasion arguments I have been involved in with one member particularly have led to the driving away of other contributors to threads – am trying to sort that one out. This aside, we debate these subjects to the best of our ability and if we go over the top on occasion, sorry about that – that is what happens in real life – I grew up in a city where discussions on football often came to blows, and where it was not uncommon to see a notice in a pub reading "no politics – no religion" So "what to do about obnoxious MC members"? – perhaps you gather them all together on one thread and let them slap each other on the back and tell each other how holier-than-thou they all are (sorry – didn't mean that– just thought I'd try to capture the atmosphere here). Anyway – I'll let you get on with it – sorry for the interruption. Jim Carroll PS I'd really watch that lavatorial/anal fixation some of you seem to have, some people regard such things as "obnoxious". |
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02 Apr 12 - 05:07 AM (#3332394) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Bluesman Obnoxious comments aren't as bad as long winded posts. I almost fell asleep after six lines of this one above, it is as long as the free states overdraft. Do what I do, ignore obnoxious posters, sadly there is no shortage of them here. |
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02 Apr 12 - 06:15 AM (#3332415) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jim Carroll "Do what I do, ignore obnoxious posters," You should have ignored this one then, shouldn't you - especially as you were the one specifically singled out in the posting? Jim Carroll |
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02 Apr 12 - 10:42 AM (#3332532) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity ....but then again, when it comes to being obnoxious, one man's ceiling is another man's floor! ..and a lot of people inaccurately accuse other of being obnoxious, while the accuser is beyond the pale!! ..oh, and by the way..having another side to an opinion is NOT the same as being obnoxious....but you'd never know it on here....(sometimes). GfS |
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02 Apr 12 - 12:02 PM (#3332560) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jim Carroll And I would say that the particular "floor" for me is to use a thread whose only purpose is to slag off other members - and show the world how righteous you all are - pretty obnoxious from where I'm standing. Stick with your 'Bronco' - it seems to be your level Jim Carroll |
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02 Apr 12 - 12:12 PM (#3332565) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity ....speaking of being obnoxious...Jim! GfS |
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02 Apr 12 - 12:15 PM (#3332568) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Old boy Joking about 'poo related' matters positively reaffirms our common shared basic humanity.. Don't disrespect the community building power of Poo.. go with the flow... |
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02 Apr 12 - 01:00 PM (#3332585) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: MartinRyan Failing that, of course - piss off! ;>)> Regards |
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02 Apr 12 - 01:03 PM (#3332589) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jim Carroll "..speaking of being obnoxious...Jim!" No GfS It's bad enough when members of the forum use a thread that can have no other purpose but to pontificate about other members, but when guests come in to tell us how we should respond to topics that interest us... A bit much really. This i nasty behaviour on the part of members and guests alike - anyway, I'm gone, so I'll leave you to your pontifications. Jim Carroll |
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02 Apr 12 - 01:04 PM (#3332590) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,999 Better to be pissed off than pissed on. |
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02 Apr 12 - 01:09 PM (#3332592) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Dave the Gnome ...and better to be pissed up than either. |
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02 Apr 12 - 01:15 PM (#3332600) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Dave the Gnome Addressing one of Jim's comments. Lavatorial humour is part of life. It is certainly part of folk music - Childrens song in particular. I expect that you will have found this in your research though, Jim, so it does surprise me that you think people may be offended by it. Cheers DtG |
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02 Apr 12 - 01:17 PM (#3332602) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,999 Good one, DtG. |
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02 Apr 12 - 01:26 PM (#3332606) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle I see my suggestion for colour coded posts has not gone down well. Would I purposely offend my old friend, Jim? Of course not. Sorry about my lavatorial excesses - however I am well struck in years and when you've spent your life being a mucky old sod.....alas there is no bottle of domestos which will restore the inner Whittle to pristine whiteness. |
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02 Apr 12 - 02:17 PM (#3332623) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,olddude I guess the same thing ya do with a drunken sailor earli in the mornin :-) |
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02 Apr 12 - 02:27 PM (#3332628) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jim Carroll Don't worry Al - you're a bright spot in a rather squalid thread I suppose you're right Dave, much better to talk about shit rather than throw it. Not really offended, but I thought the somewhat priggish ensemble here might be. Jim Carroll |
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02 Apr 12 - 03:28 PM (#3332657) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bee-dubya-ell I like the color coding idea. When someone says "shit" the font immediately turns brown, if they say "piss" it turns yellow, if they say "jizz" it turns white. |
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02 Apr 12 - 04:26 PM (#3332681) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu BWL... well done! |
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03 Apr 12 - 04:55 AM (#3332873) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Musket Notice that? Nobody on this thread has called an Irishman a Paddy, yet Jim Carrol reserves the right to be sanctimonious. I believe I stated that somebody having a temper tantrum was called, in most the UK, having a paddy. For someone who rattles on about preserving heritage, he certainly does know how to stifle it... Does that mean all the people you namedrop in your earlier rant are in your eyes paddies? That's what I seem to be reading? Or is it that they all get angry and have a hissy fit? (With respect to all ethnic hissies out there...) I suppose that when an industrial unit of mine was broken into eight times over a fortnight and when the police raided the conveniently situated impromptu caravans at the end of the estate, they found some of my property... I shouldn't have used the term "thieving bastards", because after all, it could have been a cultural thing and I was oppressing them with my "values." In the interest of balance, the industrial unit was on the outskirts of Dublin... Which leads us to the original thread and obnoxious members. As I see it, I enjoy being obnoxious from time to time, if only to knock sanctimonious people off their perch. It's called getting a reaction, another cultural aspect of being human... You see, in debate, you can slowly bend to the opinion of others and have your perspective altered, and that's a good thing. On forums such as this, I note that we live up to the comments expected of us, hence you don't need to do anything to obnoxious members, as this is not really a debating forum. it is a showpiece for the more focussed aspects of our opinions, and that will always invite ridicule, because we are a broad church as it were.. As an example; Anything sung in a folk club is a folk song. Wait... |
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03 Apr 12 - 05:28 AM (#3332895) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity 'Tis a shame....because some of my very closest musical friends are Irish/Celts...and I would NEVER even THINK to call them anything other than musicians.....and REALLY AWESOME ones at that!....and even though they are pretty well, internationally known, they are even more awesome, than what they are known for! ..........and I respect that..and them!! GfS |
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03 Apr 12 - 05:59 AM (#3332906) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jim Carroll "I bet he returns " Only to apologise "Nobody on this thread has called an Irishman a Paddy," Deepest apologiees Ian - I misread your posting - apart from that, everything else stands. Byeee Jim Carroll |
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03 Apr 12 - 06:24 AM (#3332919) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Big Al Whittle 'I enjoy being obnoxious from time to time' Classic! as Jeremy Kyle says - you are the quotes biological father! |
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03 Apr 12 - 06:27 AM (#3332921) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: saulgoldie Ignore 'em. If they post useful info above the line, that is fine. If they post ridiculous posts below the line, just don't respond. Eventually they will get bored and go to some other forum. Saul |
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03 Apr 12 - 06:47 AM (#3332931) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: theleveller You mean there are other forums where you're allowed to be obnoxious? WOW, please tell me where. I feel I've been hiding my light under a bushel. |
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03 Apr 12 - 07:13 AM (#3332940) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Musket Accepted Jim. Come on Al, we all say things to get a reaction from time to time.. Writing songs can be to get a reaction? Thinking deeply for a moment, every time someone sings a song that parodies or offend others, (political songs?) the person hearing it feels the singer is being obnoxious. As Albert says, it's all relative. And as I say, it is not easy to discuss things to a point of accepting the other's viewpoint on these threads, it is far easier to dig in and plug away, hence we can all come over that way. Better to mean to be than not realise I suppose? And that seems to be me, especially when confronting our more evangelical brethren... |
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03 Apr 12 - 11:45 AM (#3333101) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Keith A of Hertford Bronco, Bronco, tear it along the dotted line... You may recognise the source and the tune. I don't remember a second line, though. "Bronco, Bronco, just in time." |
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03 Apr 12 - 09:25 PM (#3333342) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: framus What do you do about all the (alleged) catters who adopt false IDs, defame members and put up totally false posts - surely they are the really obnoxious members. Joking TOTALLY apart. |
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03 Apr 12 - 10:09 PM (#3333358) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage Delete them. |
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04 Apr 12 - 02:09 AM (#3333410) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River You gotta get real tuff with them kinda people. Take away there dope! Ground 'em! Cut there illegal TV cables so's they can't watch "Swamp People"! Infest there flippin' compyuders with a real bad virus! Slash there flippin' tires so's they can't drive to the Beer STore! Tell the cops where there stuff is stashed! Spread word that they got a real nasty soshial disease so no one will date 'em! Put crazy glue in there door locks! And on the door handles too! Put water in there gas tank! Put red pepper in their flippin' underwhere and vaseleen in their socks! Lock a skunk inside there car! Strip 'em naked and throw 'em out on main street durin' rush hour! And finally................................... TAKE AWAY ALL THERE BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!! That oughta flippin' set 'em to rights, eh? - Shane |
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04 Apr 12 - 03:24 AM (#3333416) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Megan L Shane dear was that from personal experience? Granny jis pits them ower her knee and skelps them. |
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04 Apr 12 - 12:53 PM (#3333657) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River What the FLIP!?? You SCALP yer kids over in Scotland? I think that is goin' way too far! No wonder the flippin' English deesided to take over the place back in 1800 and kill half the people to keep the rest in line, eh? You would never see a McBride scalp there own kids. Geez! Maybe someone else's kids. But surely not there own! - Shane |
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04 Apr 12 - 07:16 PM (#3333809) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Don Firth I like the crazy glue idea. Put it on their toilet seats! Don Firth |
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05 Apr 12 - 02:55 AM (#3333893) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Ebbie This is what Stilly responded to: "What do you do about all the (alleged) catters who adopt false IDs, defame members and put up totally false posts - surely they are the really obnoxious members." I think attacking her is out of line. |
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05 Apr 12 - 05:03 AM (#3333905) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Backwoodsman Teach 'em the difference between 'their' and 'there'. :-) |
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05 Apr 12 - 05:52 AM (#3333910) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Nice thought BWM, but you can't teach the really obnoxious ones anything. They have neither the desire nor the equipment for learning. SRS, you are one hundred percent correct. The most obnoxious share the christian name GUEST and numerous different surnames. Don T. |
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05 Apr 12 - 09:08 AM (#3333966) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John P Let's get real here. Two extremely obnoxious guests are taking part in this conversation and pretending that they don't like obnoxious posts. Bluesman and Guest from Sanity have both spent so much time posting bigotry, bile, and personal attacks, directed at both Mudcat members and people in general, that I would find anything they have to say on this subject hilarious if it weren't so tragically hypocritical. If you guys act like bigoted assholes, you better be ready to take the heat for it. |
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05 Apr 12 - 10:29 AM (#3334022) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John P Ah, so you've decided that I'm feeling some sort of heat and have decided to share this "insight" with the world, in terms that imply some sort of cowardice on my part. The difference, you see, is that I respond to what people actually say. You and GfS, on the other hand usually simply lash out with unfounded assumptions about the validity and intelligence of others, and do so in demeaning and disrespectful terms. This is one of the prime examples of obnoxious internet forum behavior. Another smaller difference is that I sign my name and am a member of Mudcat. |
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05 Apr 12 - 10:40 AM (#3334030) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage My answer had only to do with framus's question: What do you do about all the (alleged) catters who adopt false IDs, defame members and put up totally false posts - surely they are the really obnoxious members. Joking TOTALLY apart. |
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05 Apr 12 - 11:56 AM (#3334056) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jim Carroll "Two extremely obnoxious guests...." I was wondering if somebody was going to get round to mentioning this - well done John P - you've restored my faith in humanity. Gave me a bit of a buzz to be told "Do what I do, ignore obnoxious posters, sadly there is no shortage of them here" - by somebody who, at the same time, was jackbooting his way through the 'Discrimination against Roma' thread - (now closed, thanks to his behaviour there) Anybody who doubts this, I suggest they take a peep before it disappears altogether (only for strong stomachs though) "Your world is closing in on you!" Had similar experiences with GfS in the past. There - broken my silence - will the mystery guest please step forward and reveal him/herself and claim their prize. Jim Carroll |
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05 Apr 12 - 11:58 AM (#3334058) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: saulgoldie I'm gonna hold my breath until I turn blue, etc. And if we ignore them long enough... Saul
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05 Apr 12 - 12:29 PM (#3334069) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: MGM·Lion Still ~ the apparent deletion between 0908 & 1029 has left those of us who have been following but didn't log on in time in something of a limbo. Could we at least perhaps have some sort of expletive-deleted simulacrum restored in the interests of clarity? ~M~ |
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05 Apr 12 - 01:24 PM (#3334093) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: MGM·Lion I am reminded of the Duchess's song in Alice In Wonderland ~~ Speak roughly to your little boy And beat him when he teases He only does it to annoy Because he knows it teases Perhaps we can employ Megan L for the purpose rubricated in line 2: she would appear to be MC's resident skelper. ~M~ |
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05 Apr 12 - 01:26 PM (#3334095) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: MGM·Lion When he sneezes, bugger it!!!!! |
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05 Apr 12 - 01:40 PM (#3334102) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity So demonize everyone who doesn't go along with your 'politics'...welcome to Germany 1937!!! Joe, I'm really disappointed in this practice! Dylan would have been censored, too! GfS |
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05 Apr 12 - 01:41 PM (#3334103) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity When the ideologues were running rampant, and I called for patience... ...but radical wannabes don't want the truth! GfS |
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05 Apr 12 - 01:43 PM (#3334104) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu What post are you referring to GfS? |
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05 Apr 12 - 01:48 PM (#3334107) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity ..gnu, a whole lot that are being deleted, because the politicos can't stand the truth....click the link, before it's gone too! GfS |
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05 Apr 12 - 02:39 PM (#3334134) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu Sooo... I assume you mean Joe Offer... maybe? Joe doesn't delete posts. Joe doesn't set policy. And, posts are deleted by mods for a reason. If you wanna discuss deletions, take it up with Max, although, I think you shouldn't waste his time. This is the most "freedom of speech" site on the net. Methinks you doth protest too much... well, probably. |
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05 Apr 12 - 03:23 PM (#3334160) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guesr from Sanity beardedbruce, You'd think that fair and open exchange of ideas, would be welcome, especially on a site, that would encourage creativity in the arts! When it comes to deleting posts, that clearly are truthful, and links that expose mis- & dis- information, one would expect appreciation, that the record gets set straight. In these cases, the disinformation which caters to propping up divisions and hostilities within our culture, nation and influences, seem to be not only welcomed but encouraged. This is flat out wrong, and stupid!! If one's 'politics' needs this kind of absolute nonsense and lies, then I'd say re-assess your politics! That being said, I've been painted as a 'right wing-nut'..and nothing could be further from the truth...What I'd rather promote, is a healthy exchange of ideas, whether either side wants to agree or not! I think the deleted posts should be put back up, and let the posters decide...not the propaganda machinery and their mechanics! Regards, GfS |
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05 Apr 12 - 03:57 PM (#3334164) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Don Firth Disappearing posts have less to do with censoring people's political opinions than it does with sheer bloody RUDENESS on the part of certain posters who are habitually and intentionally obnoxious. It's interesting to note that there are those, many unfortunately right here on Mudcat, who, as long as they are sitting safely in isolation behind their computer keyboards and their anonymity, who feel free to say things that, were they to say them face-to-face to someone in the 3-D world, might result in that person grabbing them by the shirt-front, shoving them against a wall, and slapping the living snot out of them! Cowards as well as barbarians. Don Firth |
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05 Apr 12 - 04:12 PM (#3334170) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu That is a perasonal attack. And, I figure it's bullshit. Just like a lot of other posts... you know who you are. Ya wanna get some sympathy, ask Max. But, as I said, don't waste your time. Yes, that's what I was saying earlier. The mods do their jobs to the best of their ability. If your posts are deleted, it's because you fucked up. Don't whine about it in posts unless you truly have an arguement. If so, PM Max. If you don't PM Max, you fucked up. Case closed. And, there have been people banned from this site before so "be careful" who YOU attack. |
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05 Apr 12 - 04:30 PM (#3334178) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Sounds good, but not true. GfS |
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05 Apr 12 - 04:38 PM (#3334183) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu Bullshit. Put yer money where yer mouth is. Ask Max. And stop trolling. It's really tiresome for me and a LOT of other Mudcatters. |
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05 Apr 12 - 04:43 PM (#3334187) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Don Firth Just keep it up, GfS, and you may just have personal experience with getting blocked. And it won't be because of your political opinions, it wiil be a direct result of your, shall we say, "social skills?" Don Firth |
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05 Apr 12 - 04:46 PM (#3334189) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Okay. So some of you want serious posts here, do you? Fine. Peace (and quiet) are found within oneself...not by attempting to control, dominate, and intimidate other people. Your real business in life is to control yourself, not to control others. If one insists on seeking out conflict with other people, one will definitely find it. That's a guarantee. One will be at continual war with others. If one becomes too emotionally attached to one's own sense of aggrieved righteousness to let go of past disagreements with other people, then one will remain a prisoner of one's own negative emotions, and will probably cause some disturbance to others as well...if they bother to react to it. (But if they're wise, they will not react to it.) And if they don't, all you combative types will hear is the sound of your own angry voice bouncing back at you off the wall of anger you have built around yourself. That's self-imprisonment. Let him who has ears to hear listen and understand. He that is deaf will just keep yelling. Free yourself. No one else is going to do it for you. If you want peace.......make it. |
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05 Apr 12 - 05:05 PM (#3334196) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Don Firth Little Hawk, there are SERIOUS people in this world who are interested in the issues that effect them and the rest of society. It is a learning experience to discuss and debate these issues with others. But ever since the time of Plato, there have been those who did not know enough about issues to seriously discuss them, but jumped in with a loug mouth and a foul vocabulary and tried to intimiate others with shouting and insults. Back in those days, those who would not participate in the dialogs in a rational and polite manner were frog-walked to the door and kicked out into the streets where they belonged. So when someone comes into this forum and acts in an uncivilized manner, banning them by blocking their IP address is merely an modern technological way of booting them out the door so the adults can continue to discuss things rationally. Don Firth |
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05 Apr 12 - 05:13 PM (#3334202) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John P Little Hawk, you're doing it too. We're not angry, even though you have apparently decided that you know our inner emotional states and have decided to share. Care to try again? Here's a hint: tired of boorish behavior. Tired of ad hominem attacks, which is what you often do, no matter how philosophically you word it. |
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05 Apr 12 - 05:17 PM (#3334204) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John P I'm sorry, Little Hawk. Please don't try again. Just don't go there at all. None of your business and you're almost always incorrect. |
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05 Apr 12 - 05:48 PM (#3334218) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Don: "Little Hawk, there are SERIOUS people in this world who are interested in the issues that effect them and the rest of society. It is a learning experience to discuss and debate these issues with others." Even when you're 'seriously wrong'??? John P: "I'm sorry, Little Hawk. Please don't try again. Just don't go there at all. None of your business and you're almost always incorrect." Now you attacking Little Hawk????????? I rest my case! GfS |
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05 Apr 12 - 05:53 PM (#3334220) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John P So demonize everyone who doesn't go along with your 'politics'...welcome to Germany 1937!!! Wow, I don't even have to prove my point with GfS. He's doing it for me! By the way, almost every post I've seen get deleted on Mudcat has been because they were personal attacks. Trying to make it sound like political censorship is just one more example of people not taking responsibility for what they say. Once again, GfS, I don't demonize you because of your politics. I demonize you because of your overt bigotry and your senseless attacks on other people. I'd love to have a reasoned politic discussion on Mudcat that didn't include attacks. I've seen you trying really hard to do that, but your abrasive nature almost always gets the better of you. It's really simple: talk about what's being talked about, not each other. |
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05 Apr 12 - 06:04 PM (#3334226) Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: gnu LH... when someone punches me or my friend(s) in the nose, that in NO WAY means I or they are seeking the punch and I take serious offense to you saying that I or my friends do so. Anyone who "punches" for no good reason, especially trolls and bullies, gets punched back. THAT is a SERIOUS post. Trolls and bullies shall not be tolerated and no amount of psycho-babble will change that. Glad it works for you. Me, I don't take shit from assholes. |