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28 Aug 04 - 05:36 PM (#1259100) Subject: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte From: GUEST,Win Grace Bonjour! I am trying to determine the age of the Cajun waltz, "J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte." Could it be "descended" from a tune or song of French or Quebecois origin? Would it have been sung by other French speakers in the states? How long has it had been known in Louisiana? Your help much appreciated! Merci. Win Grace |
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28 Aug 04 - 06:54 PM (#1259156) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Por From: greg stephens Raymond Francois(author of Ye Yaille Chere, the big book on cajun song), says this is an old song, his father remembered it from when the Titanic sunk, which puts it back to 1912. I have never heard of any French or Canadian antecedents, and given the serious interest in this sort of thing, I would guess none have been found. Surprisingly little cajun stuff seems to be traceable back to France. I think people in Louisiana have always been particularly original, musically! |
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29 Aug 04 - 01:18 AM (#1259306) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Por From: Peace The Spanish even contributed a few melodies, including, according to Ancelet, the melody for "J'ai passé devant ta porte," which comes from a concerto for classical guitar. "Mon Cour T'Appelle" ("J'ai Passé Devant Ta Porte") |
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29 Aug 04 - 01:21 AM (#1259308) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Por From: Peace Sorry, 'bout that. It is what I found with the help of my old friend Mr Google. Maybe one might have some success with Mon Cour (Coeur) T'appelle. I'll keep lookin'. I passed in front of your door and My heart calls you |
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29 Aug 04 - 04:51 AM (#1259353) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Por From: greg stephens Well, that is interesting Brucie. I've been playing that song in a band for years(till I'm sick of it, sometimes) and I never knew about the Spanish guitar origin. You live and learn. God bless Mudcat. |
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10 Feb 07 - 09:09 PM (#1963628) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: GUEST,TallCelt I am looking for the sheet music (preferably with guitar chords) to the tune "J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte". It is not listed in the Digital Tradition. It is such a famous tune the I know someone must have it. (celttall@yahoo.com) |
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10 Feb 07 - 10:04 PM (#1963650) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: Peace There it is. That is from http://www.terriau.org/music.htm where you can hear La BANDE Feufollet! sing it. (Needs Windows Media Player.) Great song. |
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10 Feb 07 - 10:17 PM (#1963653) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: Peace And with this site you can karioakey/carryoakie/kareeoaky/sing along to the instrumental. |
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10 Feb 07 - 10:44 PM (#1963665) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: Q (Frank Staplin) "Mon coeur t'appelle" is an old favorite Cajun waltz; Cleoma Breaux recorded it years ago (about 1932) and it has been re-issued along with some pieces by Amadee Breaux and others on a Sony cd, "Cajun Dance Party." Listen to "J'ai Passe Devant ta Porte" here: http://www.terriau.org/music.htm La Bonne Chanson These kids are pretty good! Scroll down and find the link under La Bande Feufollet. LYRICS to J'ai passe devant ta porte (1)- and a great midi: Scroll farther down to Archive or link here: Jai Passe Something is wrong with the attribution to a Spanish classical guitar concerto. I have recordings of most of the major pieces for Spanish guitar, and I recall nothing like that waltz. It does have a slight resemblance to a Spanish waltz, but I think it is coincidence. Where did you get that information? Was it from Ancelet? Digression- An interesting book by Barry Jean Ancelet is "Musiciens cadiens et creoles-The Makers of Cajun Music," Univ. Texas Press. It covers the musicians active in the 1980s. |
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10 Feb 07 - 10:45 PM (#1963667) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: Q (Frank Staplin) Gee, Peace, you beat me to it. I was too busy listenin' |
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10 Feb 07 - 10:59 PM (#1963670) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: Peace LOL Hey, man, I love the completeness of your answers. I learn from every single one of them. The Ancelet/concerto thing comes from snootypatooty.com/breifhistory.html http://snootypatooty.com/breifhistory.html (I had to go locate that again because I don't recall making the post two years ago and I see I didn't attribute or link to it (and I should have)). |
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10 Feb 07 - 11:10 PM (#1963684) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: Q (Frank Staplin) Dunno, could be. I might play some of them and listen. They haven't been on the machine for awhile. |
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10 Feb 07 - 11:16 PM (#1963686) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: Peace Note however that the site I cited doesn't cite its source. The source is outta sight (as it were). |
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11 Feb 07 - 11:54 AM (#1964019) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: GUEST,Dale Check out this youtube video from the late 80s ~~ vocal and guitar by D L Menard and the twin fiddles of Dewey Balfa and Aly Bain. Doesn't get any better than that. http://youtube.com/watch?v=iaQkIr5qZGc |
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11 Feb 07 - 05:52 PM (#1964331) Subject: RE: History/Age of 'J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte' From: Peace Great take on the song, Dale. Good find. |
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06 Nov 14 - 12:41 AM (#3674951) Subject: RE: Origin: J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte From: GUEST,WF I know this is an old thread, but i wanted to clarify the Ancelet issue mentioned. In the book "Traditional Music in Coastal Louisiana: The 1934 Lomax Recordings By Joshua Clegg Caffery", he states "anecdotal evidence suggests a link with an eigtheenth-century composition for guitar, written by either Frederico Moretti or Fernando Sor, the best-known classical guitarist of his day." (Ancelet 1991, p156) (Caffery, p52) |
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06 Nov 14 - 05:13 AM (#3674989) Subject: RE: Origin: J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte From: Mr Red the Youtube link above is broken now. Probably a copyright issue. Would have been good though. |
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07 Nov 14 - 05:16 AM (#3675353) Subject: RE: Origin: J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte From: GUEST,Gerry I have no idea whether this is related, but there is a Sephardic song, Por La Tu Puerta. The first stanza, in translation, goes "I passed your door and found it locked, so I kissed the lock; it was as sweet as if I had kissed your cheek." |
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13 Feb 17 - 04:12 PM (#3838732) Subject: RE: Origin: J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte From: GUEST would this tune be considered public domain? |
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14 Feb 17 - 07:47 AM (#3838864) Subject: RE: Origin: J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte From: Mr Red Por La Tu Puerta (Espanhol Medieval) Goggle/Chrime translate has a hard time with vide & yavedura yo besi Probably coincidence or a songwriter's re-working of a folk tale. Tunes (Spanish or Turkish) nothing like it. Federico Moretti ( 1795 - 1838 ) Played a 7 string guitar! Fernando Sor, 1778 - 1839 (links to MP3s) If it is in the public domain, I would expect a few performers to claim some sort of copyright, 'praps changing a note or two. Go searching. |
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14 Feb 17 - 11:54 AM (#3838926) Subject: RE: Origin: J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte From: Monique "Por la tu puerta" is Judeo-Spanish. There's another version here. "vide" is "vi" in modern Sp. (I saw), "yavedura" = "llavedura" = modern Sp."cerradura" (lock/keyhole) "yo besi" = "yo besé" (I kissed). This thread has been plagued by spammers in early 2022. If you wish to post something ask a moderator to reopen the thread. ---mudelf |
