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Looking for a beautiful guitar

01 Sep 04 - 10:51 AM (#1261642)
Subject: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I'm looking for a beautiful guitar - make that 2 guitars (one steel string, one nylon) - that won't bother my right ulnar nerve. When I try out the 'parlour' guitars, they don't have the oomph that I love. Any suggestions?

And by beautiful, I mean both voice and looks.

~b.w.


01 Sep 04 - 11:26 AM (#1261666)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: ThreeSheds

To me my Lowden is one of the most beautiful and sonorous guitars on the planet,In view of the lowden company saga perhaps you could look athe Avalon range. I understand the ulna nerve is in the wrist is it the size of the guitar that is the problem (I appreciate this might be a issue as lowdens are big buggers)or is it a bad wrist posture
Also have a look at some of the German Lakewoods I've seen some crackers in the past


01 Sep 04 - 11:29 AM (#1261669)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Midchuck

BW, I strongly suggest checking out some 12-fret slothead 000's. I have been accumulating them, because I also have trouble with handling a dread or larger, but want to make real noise. And the wider neck on most of them is less of a switch if you're playing classical guitar part of the time.

Martin 000-16SGT
Martin 000-28VS
Collings 0002H (or 0001A if you could find one)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (I just lucked onto a used one - My God!)

And here's some pictures of a real beauty that I'd go after if I have any more room.

Of course, I happen to be a fanatic on these instruments for the past year or two. It's a matter of personal fit and taste.

Peter.


01 Sep 04 - 11:34 AM (#1261675)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: mooman

I second the Lakewoods (as a Lakewood owner) but probably the most comfortable to play (because of their design) are Linda Manzer's guitars made in Canada. But those are pounds/dollars many...!

Peace

moo


01 Sep 04 - 11:39 AM (#1261677)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: catspaw49

Great advice here!!!...........Especially the bit about where to go to buy one. They'll help fit you right out. Anyway, it seems that poster knows what they're talking about.(:<)) And of course you might also take a trip to Elderly.

Spaw


01 Sep 04 - 11:43 AM (#1261680)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: dwditty

I 2nd Peter's emotion regarding the slotted head 12 fret (ala my Collings 000-2H). I play almost nothing else. How about a beautiful Santa Cruz Custom Model H 12 string, all koa, with 42 style inlays...she is a beauty and sounds like a cathedral organ? She is way too much guitar to keep on the wall.

dw

PS: Check out Mandolin Bros: www.mandoweb.com


01 Sep 04 - 12:08 PM (#1261694)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,Mr Sooze

No question.... listen to mr andyintheshed... go for a Lowden S-series
- small body with bagsof ooomph........my Sc33x in rippled claro walnut/redwood spruce top is beeeuttiful


01 Sep 04 - 12:58 PM (#1261725)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Mark Clark

Say no more, say no more. What you want is a couple of beautiful guitars by luthier Dave Plummer. Plummer guitars are played by such notables as Thom Bresh, Jerry Reed, Buster B. Jones, Tommy Flint, Warren Haynes (Allman Brothers), and many more. These players are fingerpickers and demand great-sounding beautiful guitars that are easy on the hands. Dave makes both steel string and nylon string models and his design and craftsmanship are excellent.

Give him a call.

      - Mark


01 Sep 04 - 01:39 PM (#1261756)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Strollin' Johnny

Mr. Sooz is right about Lowdens, but they have a very wide fingerboard which you may have a problem with if you have ulnar troubles BW. They are extremely L-O-U-D and have a really 'woody' sound. Can't agree with Mr. S. about the S-series, I find them rather 'toppy', loud but thin-sounding, very short on bass and I much prefer the 'O' models (which he and I both possess) and which have a nicer, rounder sound. (That statement will probably end up with a duel at the Drovers' Call - Pints of Guinness at ten paces! ROFL!).

If you need a narrower fingerboard, try a Martin 000, or an O000, or if you like the jumbo size body try a J-40 (that one's very balanced and sweet).

I guess a guitar's a personal thang, one guy will tell you one thing, another will tell you something else. They're both right of course, just that their ears differ. There's no definitive answer. Best bet is to allocate a day, or even several days, to go around good dealers and try lots of them until you find the one that your ears and eyes like the best. No-one to blame then but yourself!! LOL!

SJ :0)


01 Sep 04 - 01:47 PM (#1261763)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Wesley S

What kind of price range can you afford ? That would affect some of our suggestions. A good 000 Collings can run between three and four thousand. More if you want a work of art. Lowden, Goodall, Collings, and Larivee all have guitars that anyone would be proud to own.


01 Sep 04 - 02:40 PM (#1261810)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

Price, hmmmm....let's say mid-rangish.

Many years ago I was a classical flute player with a $5000 flute. I'm used to that kind of figure for a good instrument, although less would be nice too. Guitar isn't my main instrument. I'm more piano/Celtic harp. I'm a simplistic guitar player, but I want an instrument I can grow into. I refuse to 'settle' for an inferior sound. I want a good sound now, even if I can't do the fancy stuff.

Thank you everyone for all of the suggestions. I promise to take a good look at them in a few days - I'm going out of town for a few days (we're taking my drummer boychild to college - by jetplane!).

~b.w.


01 Sep 04 - 03:19 PM (#1261841)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: kendall

Santa Cruz koka bolla


01 Sep 04 - 03:28 PM (#1261850)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Sky-Coyote

Hello Black Walnut,
Try http://www.larrivee.com and inquire about our custom guitars (think black walnut). I would recommend the L-3Rosewood model as it is an excellent guitar for all styles and is priced affordably with out exception. The L-3R I have is used for both fingerstyle jazz and old-time roots music.
with regards David-Sky Marchant.


01 Sep 04 - 03:31 PM (#1261853)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Once Famous

Buy American quality.

Buy the standards of accoustic guitars.

Why watch your investment depreciate?

A Martin or a Gibson are what most everything else has been based on over the years.


01 Sep 04 - 03:38 PM (#1261864)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Sky-Coyote

Hello its Sky again,
Just thought I would also mention to look at Larrivee's custom inlay options as done by Wendy Larrivee as well as our re-introduction of the Jean Larrivee Classic Guitars. Jean Larrivee's guitars are of the highest quality from both shops in Canada and the USA. Being an proud employee gives me a unique opportunity to say how much we care about the instruments we make.
With regards David-Sky Marchant.


01 Sep 04 - 03:53 PM (#1261882)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Herma

Have a look at this website:
www.gitaarbouw.nl      ...don't know where you are....but this guy is building the most beautifull guitars (and lutes and such) in the world as far as I am concerned....


01 Sep 04 - 03:59 PM (#1261886)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Sky-Coyote

I would add that Larrivee Guitars is a family owned and operated multi-generational business whose founder works on the floor of the shop every day. Several generations of guitar builders have been mentored by Jean Larrivee as he is one of the founding fathers of Canadian Lutherie. Larrivee Guitars has been a close knit family of long time employees who are given the best materials, pay and knowledge to make a product few can equal. Black Walnut buy what suits you so get out to the music stores and "test drive" them all (ie let your hears and hands to the judging).
With Regards.


01 Sep 04 - 04:03 PM (#1261888)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Mark Clark

Sky-Coyote, I can't speak for Debbie but based on what she's said here, I'm guessing she'd prefer an LSV-30 and an OMV-10E among the Larrivee models, assuming you'd agree to make the necks to her specifications. There's nothing on the website that invites special orders.

She's looking for beautiful guitars with top noctch sound whose necks don't hurt her hands to play—a fairly specific set of requirements.

      - Mark


01 Sep 04 - 04:19 PM (#1261895)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Bee-dubya-ell

There've been a couple of mentions of Santa Cruz models already on this thread. The OM-PW CLICK is the least expensive 'Cruz and it'll hold its own against much more expensive guitars. It's not a fancy guitar, but it is beautiful in a minimalist fashion. It's sensitive enough for pretty fingerpicking, but loud and solid enough for rhythm work like backing up fiddlers.

Note: The guitar on Elderly's website has Waverly tuners. Elderly usually also carries them with cheaper Grover tuners for about $150 USD less. They seem to be out of them at the moment.


01 Sep 04 - 04:30 PM (#1261911)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

Thanks Mark. Actually it's the size and shape of the body that is crucial for my right ulnar.

~b.w.


01 Sep 04 - 04:44 PM (#1261921)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Mark Clark

Debbie, Obviously you've tried different sizes, have you developed a set of dimensions that you know will be acceptable?
  • Width of lower bout
  • depth of body, top to back
  • general shape (i.e., parlor, OM, etc.)
Thanks, I'm trying to keep your thread from becoming yet another list of everyone's favorite guitars.

      - Mark


01 Sep 04 - 05:04 PM (#1261938)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Mark Clark

Debbie, I got a line on luthier Mike Baranik who has designed and builds a small guitar, the Baranik PX with beauty, small size, and big sound as specific parameters. Baranik's work is highly regarded. Here is another small guitar he built whose owner, Ken Totushek, seems very pleased.

      - Mark


01 Sep 04 - 05:53 PM (#1261989)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Richard Bridge

Undoubtedly the best single guitar I have ever seen close up and played was William Pint's Koa Goodall - but it was the result of much hunting by him and was also very costly. It was also very big.

If you want a really good modern guitar at a reasonable price you are probably better off avoiding the USA and trying some of the custom shops in England - Brook, Fylde, Atkins, Kincade, Northworthy, Armstrong, Manson, and many others.


01 Sep 04 - 05:59 PM (#1262002)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Mooh

Two names I'd recommend: Marc Beneteau, and Joshua House. I have 3 from the former and will soon have my second from the latter.

(See my PM too.)

Peace, Mooh.


03 Sep 04 - 10:53 AM (#1263462)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Pete_Standing

Anyone got any opinions or information about the following luthiers/builders from the UK?

Bill Finlayson, Anthony Dixon, Nick Benjamin, Christopher Eccleshall, Stephen Sedgewick, Oakwood, Ralph Bown.

Other suggestions would be handy too.


03 Sep 04 - 12:52 PM (#1263554)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Grab

My money went on a Lowden O, for sound quality. For both sound quality and looks, I chose spruce-and-rosewood. Cedar-and-rosewood sounds nice but doesn't sound or look as good (IMO). But as someone above said, Lowdens are *large*.

From the guitars I've played, I don't rate "American build quality" in guitars, except maybe for Collings. I think Taylors tend to have a narrow neck and they look nice, but I don't like the sound of them.

If it's a chording-hand problem, could you not take your existing guitar to a good luthier and get the neck shaved down? Or get that done to whatever guitar you eventually choose? Maybe better to face it that a certain amount of customisation of instrument and action will be needed, than to restrict yourself to ones that are OK out of the box.

Graham.


03 Sep 04 - 03:46 PM (#1263672)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GLoux

The Collings 000 12-fret slot-head is a great guitar...I think it sounds better than it looks...

-Greg


07 Sep 04 - 03:40 PM (#1266142)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I just got back from The Twelfth Fret. I'm overwhelmed. So many choices!

~b.w.


07 Sep 04 - 04:05 PM (#1266167)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Once Famous

How about a Gibson Dove or a Gibson Hummingbird?


07 Sep 04 - 05:09 PM (#1266225)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: CraigS

Gibson dreadnaughts would be too big. If I knew where to find one I'd recommend a Martin 0025K. A 0015 or 0017 would be comfortable and loud, but don't look other than small brown guitars. Re luthiers : Chris Eccleshall builds nice, large - ish guitars, which play well - very nice for gypsy jazz. Ralph Bown builds good guitars. In this case, where we want pretty, small, punchy, and easy to play, I'd recommend Bill Dinsdale as a luthier. If you can find any guitar by Keith Johns of Brighton, that would fit the bill to a T, but he has some progressive nervous disease and stopped building guitars years ago. He made the prettiest guitars on earth.


07 Sep 04 - 05:38 PM (#1266247)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: English Jon

I'm very happy with my "parlour" size Tak - EF407, although what I know about guitars fits on the back of a beermat. If you want something a bit more unique, Nick Benjamin in Sussex makes nice sounding instruments.

Hope the nerve thing isn't too much of a pain.

Cheers,
Jon


07 Sep 04 - 06:42 PM (#1266303)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,Bardford

Judy Threet in Calgary makes some beautiful instruments.

Haven't actually played one, because my hands have been issued restraining orders ensuring they don't get too close to quality instruments.


08 Sep 04 - 09:16 AM (#1266720)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST

Mid-rangeish? What are your parameters for 'mid-rangeish' ... I'm a cheap player so mid-rangeish for me is about $600-800 USD. If you are used to a $5000 flute, then $2000-3000 would be midrangeish? Tacoma guitars have a good sound and look good too imo...don't know if they will be comfortable enough for you though....

Gallagher guitars are more customized, more expensive, more beautiful, great sounding. Click on the 'spec sheet' for measurements, etc. You might be able to find a better fit for you here, but be prepared to pay.

Mel McCullough
08 Sep 04 - 09:18 AM (#1266721)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST

...message was cut off for some reason. Mel McCullough would work extensively with you to build a guitar exactly to your specs and he'd probably be cheaper than Gallagher. Scroll down to the bottom of the linked page for contact info.


08 Sep 04 - 09:29 AM (#1266726)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,Dave of Mawkin

Im looking for a Martin D-18 if someone wants to sell one,incidentally, has anyone trid the Martin DM's? I really liked the one I played, its quite a reasonable price too.


08 Sep 04 - 09:32 AM (#1266732)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I love looking at the clickies. Thanks. Lots of good information and photos are seductive.

~b.w.


08 Sep 04 - 12:16 PM (#1266857)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,Gordon

Have a look at L'Arrivee.I bought an OM-1 a few weeks ago and I love it.Its a simple,small-bodied guitar,but has a beautiful sound.I got it two days before Whitby,and played it at every gig I did,as well as at Wadebridge - now I've retired my Martin and Abnett.They cost £899 full price,but you can get them for about £600 if you look around.

       Gordon T


08 Sep 04 - 12:58 PM (#1266885)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: KateG

While you're fooling around, check out the Martin 00015-S - the baby in their 12 fret slot head line. Not an eye popper, but the sound is amazing. I spent an afternoon at Mando Brothers, playing virtually all of their 12-fret slots, and just kept coming back to the 15-S. My budget went well above it, and the looks didn't enthrall me, but there was something about the tone. It was richer and warmer that everything else I played, except perhaps one of the really high-end Collins - which were out of my price range. In addition to my mediocre playing, I asked a fellow customer who was doing some mind-bending fingerstyle blues to play it and my other short-list instruments, and we all agreed it was the one to buy: in fact, he got one too! I could wish it had a real sound hole rosette, or none, instead of a tacky decal...but after all an instrument is about sound, and I've never regretted the purchase. Of course, every instrument is its own individual, and I might make a different choice given a different batch of guitars. But worth a check at any rate.


08 Sep 04 - 01:13 PM (#1266895)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Midchuck

Careful, Kate. You start with the 000-15S, you decide 12-fret 000s are fun, you end up like this.

Peter.


08 Sep 04 - 01:24 PM (#1266903)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: KateG

Thanks for the warning Peter. I think what's saving me for the moment is how nice the 000-15s looks with my two dulcimers: mehitable and Mahalia (a baritone). They both have redwood tops, so when the three of them are together, I think of a dark and lovely variation on the three graces. A fourth instrument would spoil the arrangement.


08 Sep 04 - 01:25 PM (#1266906)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: KateG

I forgot to say, your trio looks yummy. What are they? I recognize the Martin on the right, but what are the other two?


08 Sep 04 - 01:46 PM (#1266918)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Little Hawk

In the Toronto, Canada area you cannot do better than go to the Twelfth Fret on Danforth Avenue. They are probably the best acoustic guitar store in the country, and they have the most unbelievably lovely guitars there for you to play. I was there a couple of weeks ago, and played several smaller body OM size guitars that sounded utterly superb, and very comfortable to hold and play, due to the smaller body.

The best were a Santa Cruz OM and a Bourgeois OM. Hard to choose between them. They were in the Cd $3000 to $3500 range, and well worth it.

I'd happily buy the Santa Cruz, but it would be a pointless extravagance for me to do so at this time.


08 Sep 04 - 07:05 PM (#1267168)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Midchuck

your trio looks yummy. What are they? I recognize the Martin on the right, but what are the other two?

L to R:

'96 Collings 000-2H bought blind on eBay in Spring of '02, now my usual gigging instrument.

'95 Froggy Bottom H-12 acquired in a swap a couple weeks ago for the Collings D2H I had gotten from Jack Lawrence. As of now, my principal living room instrument.

'01 Martin 000-16SGT (from when they still had striped ebony, not micarta, fingerboards and bridges). Acquired from a Flatpick_L list member a year or two ago. Used whenever I want to travel with a gigbag rather than a hard case.

P.


08 Sep 04 - 07:06 PM (#1267171)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

Thanks L.H.
I decided to start guitar lessons from someone at the 12th Fret, who specializes in open tunings. I start lessons in a couple of weeks. I can't wait.
I have guitars to borrow (including my daughter's) if I don't get a new one of my own before the lessons begin. And then at least I'll have my foot in the door. Gradually, a workable knowledge of these strange 6 stringed beasts will begin to sink into my mushy brain.

~b.w.


08 Sep 04 - 07:56 PM (#1267205)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Naemanson

Your price range is way outside of what I would ever expect to be able to pay for an instrument so my offering is minor but I don't think there is a better guitar for the price than a used Haruo. I got my 12-string at a garage sale for $70 and everyone who has played it has declared it to be a fine instrument. It has a deep bottom and yet the high side is sweet and fine.

And before you say you are not looking for a 12 you should know that there are 6s out there too. Not long after I bought the 12 I contacted some other Haruo owners asking about the maker. They were all amazed that Haruo made a 12 and most wanted me to contact them if I decided to sell. They were all convinced their Haruo was a quality instrument that was under appreciated and lost behind the NAME guitars.


08 Sep 04 - 09:32 PM (#1267250)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Richard Bridge

From the lower end of the market, mostly I hate Washburns (I used to have one) but they do do a very nice slotted head short-scale with extra light strutting and a beautiful singing sound - but I can't remember the model number. It was only about GBP 350


09 Sep 04 - 02:21 AM (#1267376)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,Townes


09 Sep 04 - 03:45 AM (#1267396)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST

I'm another vote for Collings OM-2H. I went to Mandolin Brothers really to buy a Martin OOO28EC but came away with the Collings and absolutely love it.
Wasted on me of course, but hey....

cheers, Terry


09 Sep 04 - 01:54 PM (#1267753)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,Terry K

whoops, that last GUEST was me. I must recookify myself.

cheers, Terry


09 Sep 04 - 04:15 PM (#1267859)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GLoux

Another suggestion is to go through a couple of issues of Acoustic Guitar magazine. There was an article on small-body acoustic (many were 12 fret) guitars back in the mid-nineties that got me more than interested in them. The article was entitled "Small Wonders" and I think it was in the March/April 1995 issue. I think you can buy back issues at Acoustic Guitar magazine web site. Or perhaps your library has it...

-Greg


09 Sep 04 - 05:50 PM (#1267939)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: cumbrian

From the point of view of finding a small, beautifully made guitar with a rich harmonic response, I would certainly check out the Fylde Ariel. This is a concert/parlour size instrument with a cedar top/ mahogany back and sides. Being a 12 fret to the body neck, this guitar is very comfortable to play as far as the left hand is concerned, while the small body means that your right hand sits right where it should without having to get round the body, standing or seated. I don't own an Ariel personally, but do have a 30th Anniversary Fylde which I love dearly for it's playabilty, build, looks and tone.
Another very impressive smaller bodied guitar, which I do own, is a Lakewood A32. This German made instrument has many of the advatages of the Fylde Ariel, but, being a spruce/rosewood guitar, has a different tonality, very harmonically lively but not as warm as Ariels that I have played


10 Sep 04 - 07:51 AM (#1268479)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,Blackford John

I play (or is it caress) my Lowden F32 - fairly small body, very balanced and alcks the heaviness/clinical sound of a Martin.


10 Sep 04 - 08:40 AM (#1268513)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I think that the information we're gathering here is great. There are lots of reasons to look for a small guitar, not just mine. Grant talked about selling a small one recently to Anne Murray, who is a mere 5'3" or so.

I think I'm off to 12th fret again this afternoon. I need to learn to breathe the air if I'm going to live on the planet.

~b.w.


10 Sep 04 - 10:01 AM (#1268572)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Mooh

I'm getting along very well with my new House small body steel string. Mahogany back and sides, spruce top, volute, Gotohs, and a cool light green line in the binding. It is viewable at House's website (www.house-guitars.com). I got it primarily to teach with (but it'll see lots of other duty) so it stays in standard tuning most of the time. About a week after getting it, it suddenly decided to open up, and it continues to develop a very nice timbre.

I would also recommend anything built by Marc Beneteau (www.beneteauguitars.com). One of mine, a 1995 6 string, has a nice tight waist and a big sound worthy of any player (Tony McManus liked it this past August). It's my first call guitar.

A former student of mine has a Thompson which always impressed me.

Glen Reid makes some nice and not overly expensive instruments.

These are all Canadian builders. I figured this was what you were aiming for.

Peace, Mooh.


13 Sep 04 - 12:27 PM (#1271223)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

Canadian. Yes, Mooh. I fell in love with a certain cutaway Larrivee last Friday, but it's too big for me. The search continues.

~b.w.


13 Sep 04 - 12:42 PM (#1271230)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Justa Picker

See if the Fret has a Martin OO-18V.
Lovely fingerstyle guitar and cosy/comfortable to play.
I'd suggest something with a solid headstock, regardless.


13 Sep 04 - 01:31 PM (#1271265)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,sorefingers

Dave asked about the DM and he should go try them IMHO, we bought one here and it is a beauty in every possible way - but being a Dread it may not suit some body sizes. Can't say enough nice things about these models. Oddly I had already tried and rejected a D 28 some years ago, but now having tried the 16's and 17's basic model Martins I might have selected one instead. Ours is just now opening up and that to me is totaly unexpected. Great value for the money we paid for it.

If I was into a smaller box it would definitely be either a Martin or a Taylor since these are also very nice to play upon. Still the Martin does keep its value while a Taylor may not. But from a professional playing evaluation either would be fine. The Taylors I tried love being played - reminded me of early Fender acoustics..


13 Sep 04 - 01:56 PM (#1271284)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Noah Zacharin

I had a discussion with the late and great and quite beautiful Rick Fielding once about this subject. Through the past 5 years I have often had problems with wrist and elbow that seemed to originate mostly from work but which would be exacerbated by playing. I cut my proverbial musical teeth on a Gibson J-50 that had possibly the thinnest neck I've ever encountered--played it for about 20 years. I then bought myself a Collings OM with a wider neck and found that it caused pain in my hands and wrists (hence the discussion with aforementioned beautiful musician) that resolved over time, but initially made me realize how delicate the entire balance is. My Collings was stolen, and I bought a Lowden O25. It has a wider neck still, but I have grown used to it, and to love it. As a veteran of lovely guitars as well as of chronic pain, I'd suggest you need to try an instrument and see how it affects your body. As for the 000 Collings that a number of the folks have suggested--a buddy of mine has one, and although it does make grand and glorious noise, it has an even more uncomfortable neck than my Lowden. I still plan to get one but I know I'll have to get used to it. So what am I saying? Try out the instruments beforehand, and critically assess your technique to make certain that is not where the pain is coming from. 'nuff said. Enjoy.


13 Sep 04 - 05:04 PM (#1271387)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Pete_Standing

What about posture and positioning? No guitar is going to be comfortable to play unless it is presented to the player in the right attitude for left and right hands. Do you play seated or standing up? I found that if I sit down and the guitar feels comfortable then the strap must be adjusted so that the guitar hangs exactly as if I was sitting down. Until I did this, I was suffering from problems with my wrists and tennis elbow.


13 Sep 04 - 05:34 PM (#1271426)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GLoux

I had my Collings 000 made with a 1 11/16" nut width, which is narrower than the standard. I had this done because all of my other guitars are 1 11/16" (except for my banjo-guitar) and I like to cross-pick (not on my banjo-guitar) which for me demands consistency across my guitars. So Noah, perhaps I am lucky to have avoided the pain you endured. If you're serious about getting a Collings 000, I seriously recommend that you have a custom width neck built to your specifications. I couldn't be happier with mine.

-Greg


14 Sep 04 - 01:18 PM (#1271942)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: PennyBlack

Not had a chance to play or hear one but, Have a look at thais chaps offerings lovely...


PB


15 Sep 04 - 05:22 AM (#1272151)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: ThreeSheds

Penny
You are spot on with that site I particularly like aflower inlaid fretboard but am concerned it might bring on hayfever!

Andy


15 Sep 04 - 01:53 PM (#1272644)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: PennyBlack

More inlay than wood?

must get someone to get these here in the UK - have mailed for shipping cost but no answer yet

pete

PB


17 Sep 04 - 09:23 AM (#1274019)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I came home from my third trip to the 12th Fret with a new Larrivee. It's not my dream guitar (all gussied up, shiny black with a full moon inlay and milky way???!) but it's a truly lovely little instrument which outshone everything in its price range. I think I must have tried every small guitar in the store.

It's an OM O1. Nice size for me...a bit bigger than a parlour. Not a cutaway. The sound just rings in and out of it. And to think it will get better with age. Not a zillion overtones like the higher end models, but quite beautiful to listen to and play nontheless.

The neck and body aren't deep, so there's nothing for my left hand or right arm to get overly stressed about.

Price: a mere $900 CAN. I'll have to get a p/u installed, which will add to the cost of course. But I've got a good instrument here, and one that's not so dear that I'd have to cringe about whenever it leaves the case. A good gig/travelling/song circle/fun guitar!

~b.w.


17 Sep 04 - 09:27 AM (#1274021)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GLoux

Congratulations...good luck with it...

But don't stop listening to and playing others that intrigue you...it's an ongoing process that doesn't have to stop.

-Greg


17 Sep 04 - 10:31 AM (#1274080)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I have no intention of stopping that, Greg. In fact, I'm starting guitar lessons (open tunings) at the 12th Fret starting next week, so I'll be tempted OFTEN!!!

~black walnut (wondering if my dream guitar should be black walnut, like my harp and dulcimer???)


17 Sep 04 - 10:41 AM (#1274092)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Mooh

Oh bw, it's serious now isn't it? Welcome to the slippery slope of GAS, and congratulations! I find myself covetous of everyone's new guitar, even though I'm happy with what I've got.

Enjoy!

Peace, Mooh.


17 Sep 04 - 06:11 PM (#1274511)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I'm on a slippery mountain, Mooh. Mt. MIAS. I can't count my instruments on fingers and toes anymore.

~b.w.


18 Sep 04 - 03:07 AM (#1274786)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,matai

I doubt you could go past a hand-made guitar from a good luthier near where you live, especially if they make to order. Apparently Martin makes a guitar designed especially for women. I've had a small bodied Washburn for years. With light handwound strings and low action it has minimal effect on my chronic neck and shoulder pain. Other musicians I know love it and keep trying to take it off me. They get hooked in by the tone. As for loudness, how about a small amp?


25 Sep 04 - 05:39 PM (#1280995)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I've had the Larrivee for about about a week now. It's great! I may not even need to look for that 'dream guitar' for a while. There's something about the sound of this that is much like a harp - which is one of the other instruments I play. It rings. It's nice to sing along with. It's comfortable. (The only discomfort I feel is in my right wrist, from playing my DADGAD excercises far too much - slow down, girl!). Ulnar nerve seems fine - hallelujah!   My 'open-tuning' teacher, Dave Martin, says that he really likes the look of my guitar -he says that it looks like it was made by the Amish or Shakers. It does - very simple, but pretty. He thinks that the OM-01s are top notch - "a real guitar".

When I'm able, I'm hanging the guitar in front of a speaker and playing Bruce Cockburn CDs to it - really really loud. If you don't know why - read this article by Rick Turner. . It's a fascinating article.

~b.w.


17 Oct 04 - 05:20 PM (#1299224)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Richard Bridge

This is the correct link (I think) for Kinkade (I spelt it wrong before)

Kinkade


18 Nov 04 - 08:26 AM (#1330988)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I just want to say, mid-November, that I'm still so happy with my Larrivee.

~b.w.


18 Nov 04 - 10:54 PM (#1331849)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: GUEST,Songster Bob

I play a Running Dog, from Rick Davis, of Richmond, VT. It has a spruce top and sycamore sides and back, and it's wonderful. I don't know how much they are now, but they're something close to $2500 or so. I haven't checked out his other models, but he makes several sizes and materials (he won't make a dreadnought).

Anyway, go to vermontguitars.com and have a look-see.

Or see mine on users.starpower.net/knitpick/


Bob Clayton


18 Nov 04 - 11:58 PM (#1331914)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Cluin

The luthier William Cumpiano has designed an ergonometric guitar to avoid repetive injury to the guitarist.

And Grit Laskin has made a few design changes towards that end too.

Might be a bit of a wait to have a beautiful machine made by one of these guys though. Other luthiers have been playing with altering the traditional designs for easier playability too. Try looking up Linda Manzer or Glen Reid or True North Guitars, etc.


19 Nov 04 - 12:57 PM (#1332522)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: oombanjo

There is a Gallagher on sale at Electro music in Doncaster. If its good enough for Doc Watson why say more,looks good plays like a dream.


19 Nov 04 - 01:35 PM (#1332558)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Grab

Cluin, slightly off-topic, but the alternative to a wedge-shaped guitar is to use some kind of rig to slant a normal-shaped guitar outwards. See my page here for something I put together to do just that.

Graham.


22 Nov 04 - 11:38 PM (#1336087)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Cluin

Interesting option, Graham.

It wouldn't apply to me very much since my main working axe is a thinner bodied Guild electric-acoustic and I usually switch a lot between guitar and mandolin anyway, but it looks like a technique for less strain on the shoulder for sure.

How is it for stability? Does it slip around when you move a lot (`cause I move a lot when I play). Also, I'm a flatplicker (I keep my fingernail trimmed short and could never get used to finger picks, so my fingerpicking is pretty muted) and often strum pretty furiously; It looks like that cord going across the guitar face would get in my way. Besides, my strap attaches to a button at the neck heel.

But thanks for the heads up on your solution.


23 Nov 04 - 12:11 AM (#1336132)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: chris nightbird childs

Go lookin' for a nice used model, no name brand. They've got a lot of soul.


23 Nov 04 - 12:15 AM (#1336137)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Cluin

The ones that are most beautiful to me have years of playing on them.


09 Aug 05 - 09:29 AM (#1538411)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

I'm STILL loving my Larrivee OM-01 (see above). And nice to see that Serena Rider and Suzie Vinnick play OM-01's too, so I'm definitely in good company.

It may not be my dream guitar - there's nothing fancy about it, but it sure plays well in DADGAD, and that's all I really need and care about at the moment. In the love life of music, it's one of my best lovers.

~b.w.


29 Sep 05 - 05:43 PM (#1572401)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Pete_Standing

Well I've had my Nick Benjamin guitar since June. Fantastic action, good balance, bright and responsive when pushed, mellow when laid back. It's a jumbo orchestra model (JOM) made with Brazillian Rosewood back and sides, Adirondack top, Mahogany neck and ebony fingerboard, fitted with black Gotohs and a satin finish. LR Baggs saddle pickup and eq. He spends time talking to you about what you want from a guitar and better still sits patiently through excruciating examples of your playing to do his best to build a guitar suited for your needs. He has a large range of woods and styles to suit and keeps in regular contact to let you know what is happening, for clarification of finer points and is happy for you to visit to see the guitar in its various stages of construction. A diamond geezer building diamond guitars.


30 Sep 05 - 02:11 PM (#1572880)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: black walnut

Benjamin has a nice website too. The Terz sounds quite interesting. People laugh at me when I play in DADGAD with my capo on the 10th fret... Maybe I need a Terz!

~b.w.


30 Sep 05 - 07:04 PM (#1573008)
Subject: RE: Looking for a beautiful guitar
From: Pete_Standing

Absolutely. His web site is so informative that I was pretty well able to decide on what I needed before I went to see him.

At least with a Terz, you would only be capoing on the seventh fret! Alternatively, would a baritone capoed on the second or third fret work or would the frets be too far apart? DADGAD capoed on the 10th is CGCFGC so couldn't you stick heavy strings on and tune down? It might be a bit of a stretch but it would sound pretty good.

I hadn't heard of the guitarist Eric Roche until I discovered Nick Benjamin. Having heard his album Spin, Eric's passing is a sad loss indeed.