BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!

09 Sep 04 - 05:44 PM (#1267932)
Subject: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: George Papavgeris

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg.   

The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid!   Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt!

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09 Sep 04 - 05:47 PM (#1267936)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

I ageree!

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09 Sep 04 - 05:50 PM (#1267940)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Wesley S

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=71425&messages=19

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09 Sep 04 - 05:53 PM (#1267946)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: C-flat

Now all that's required is to add9 to every other word!
Sort of like talking jazz?

C-flat.

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09 Sep 04 - 05:55 PM (#1267948)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: GUEST,reggie miles

Wow! I CAN see 'em. It took a bit, but I can see 'em.

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09 Sep 04 - 05:57 PM (#1267950)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Once Famous

sorry, it still reads like crap.

Because it is.

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09 Sep 04 - 05:58 PM (#1267951)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Clinton Hammond

Oh good cripse... how often is this gonna get posted here at mudcat???

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09 Sep 04 - 06:01 PM (#1267957)
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From: LilyFestre

I could read it just fine...musta been a bitch to type though.....

Michelle

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09 Sep 04 - 06:05 PM (#1267962)
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From: Bill D

no one types that, they copy & paste it......I'm just surprised it hasn't appeared in emails already.

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09 Sep 04 - 06:05 PM (#1267963)
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From: Teresa

I can't read that with the speech synthesizer at all, a'tall. [sigh] I guess I'll have to spell it out. I can read jOhn's posts, though. Not sure why ... I guess I just got used to his written language.

Or I'll get out the braille display. :(

T

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09 Sep 04 - 06:10 PM (#1267970)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Teresa

Ah yes ... that works with Braille ... I sometimes get wrong words as a result of mentally turning the character order around. It works for tactile/visual reading, but definitely *not* for speech. :D

T

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09 Sep 04 - 06:19 PM (#1267978)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Clinton Hammond

"I'm just surprised it hasn't appeared in emails already."

It has been... for almost a year!

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09 Sep 04 - 06:35 PM (#1267991)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: GUEST

MG

you say your sorry, if you are sorry why bother reading and posting in the first place.

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09 Sep 04 - 06:38 PM (#1267996)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: LilyFestre

Bill,

   Perhaps it was cut and pasted...but SOMEONE at SOMETIME did type it....could have been one of those typing exercises...who knows? Anyway...........

Michelle

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09 Sep 04 - 06:41 PM (#1268000)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

heleeo= peoloe saynig they canbt raed it, i read it fine.
dislexia rools!

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09 Sep 04 - 06:47 PM (#1268007)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Sttaw Legend

Raeds fnie to me jOhn

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09 Sep 04 - 07:45 PM (#1268051)
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From: Nerd

Wlfgang debunked it nicely on another thread, pointing out that the above passage was made deliberately easy to read.

If you take this passage:

it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr

you can see it. "deosn't", "matter" and "order" have only one letter out of place, and the phrase "it doesn't matter" is so common it helps you figure it out.

"it d'stnoe mtetar in waht oedrr" is harder to see.

How about:

The suceenqe inst' pluairatclry scianfiingt

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09 Sep 04 - 07:48 PM (#1268055)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

the seqeunce isent pariculary significant.

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09 Sep 04 - 07:50 PM (#1268056)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

ps, i figured that out in a matter of seconds, did not even have to think about it.

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09 Sep 04 - 07:56 PM (#1268061)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: GUEST,Jock McTaggart

John frae Hull wull naiver be vindicated. The man's a witless knave wha cannae hold his drink, and mair than that cannae hold his tongue. Ah dinna ken whit shuid be done wi' John, but Ah'm thinkin' a wee dunk in the river wuid sairve tae sober the lad up. Then strip off awe his tatty rags and tar him doon frae haid tae foot wi' hot pitch an' roll him in feathers till he looks like a great flappin' chicken. Then drive him oot o' town tied tae the tail of an ass. Ye'd hae ane ass in front and t'other behind! Whit a sight to delight the guid people of Hull, a city whit has suffaired maer frae John these past few decades than Ah wuid care tae say.

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09 Sep 04 - 08:04 PM (#1268072)
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From: Joybell

Now we just need Jock to add subtitles to those Scotish TV dramas. Better still invite him into our homes to write out the dialogue for us. Joy

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09 Sep 04 - 08:11 PM (#1268077)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Nerd

"figuring it out in a matter of seconds" is exactly the point. It isn't brain surgery, so it's not going to take hours. But if it takes you SECONDS then it isn't as easy as just reading it. AND you already knew what it had to mean.    How about:



Ctamponoerry ldeengs carete slef fluilfnilg posscrees weebrhy the roumr srietos are smemeotis atecd

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09 Sep 04 - 09:21 PM (#1268124)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Mary in Kentucky

_______ary legends create self fulfilling processes whereby the rumor _________ are __________ acted.      ???????????

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09 Sep 04 - 09:30 PM (#1268134)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Mary in Kentucky

stories

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09 Sep 04 - 09:32 PM (#1268136)
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From: Once Famous

Guest

Sorry for what? Calling you a cowardly genitalia?

I'll read and post to where I want to, moron Guest.

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09 Sep 04 - 09:34 PM (#1268139)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Mary in Kentucky

sometimes

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09 Sep 04 - 09:40 PM (#1268146)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Mary in Kentucky

Cotemporary ????? doesn't make sense.

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09 Sep 04 - 09:42 PM (#1268147)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Mary in Kentucky

Contempary...I can't spell.

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09 Sep 04 - 09:44 PM (#1268150)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Mary in Kentucky

Contemporary...still can't spell.

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09 Sep 04 - 09:51 PM (#1268155)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Once Famous

Have you ever considered moving from Kentucky?

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09 Sep 04 - 09:58 PM (#1268157)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: The Fooles Troupe

WYSIWYG,

The result you got is because those translation engines ignore 'special words' they have not been programmed to recognise. These can be people's names, place names, or as in this case misspellings.

They are just a big switch table with equivalents for all the languages - they can't handle any 'slang' that that have not been designed to cope with.

They will only have a decent chance of translation with words that are 'correctly spelt' according to their various language dictionaries - they may be set up to automatically cope with both British & US spelling, which spelling they give back on a translation back to English will depend on what they have been coded to do.

Try misspelling the foreign language words, then seeing what sort of mess you get back in English!

Robin

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09 Sep 04 - 10:17 PM (#1268165)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: The Fooles Troupe

You will see that some words got picked up and correctly translated FROM English into the correct forms in the other language - of course these got translated correctly BACK. It seems that the process 'picked up' a few misspellings - this could be due to grammatical positioning tricks these engines may entail, or some 'spelling corrections' may be embedded - I am not an expert on the internals of these engines.

I have always wondered if foreign languages deal with misspellings in the same way that English does - or if correct spelling is more rigidly enforced. Only Foreign Language speakers - probably natives who either learned English as a second language or learned both together as genuine multi-linguals could really comment, I suppose, or else Academics.

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09 Sep 04 - 10:22 PM (#1268168)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Nerd

Mary in KY demonstrated my point ably. It can be done, obviously. It is NOT almost as easy as reading the words

"Contemporary Legends create self fulfilling processes whereby the rumor stories are sometimes acted..."

which is a real, randomly selected passage from a book on my desk, describing a phenomenon folklorists call "ostention" and others might call "copycat behavior": when people act out stories they have heard, thus fulfilling the "warning" of the stories themselves.

If you don't know what you're looking for, and the words are REALLY scrambled, not just with one letter out of place, it will take a while to read a passage, even if the first and last letters are kept in place. It took Mary in KY twenty minutes to decipher Jeff Victor's sentence above. It would take her probably three seconds to read the unscrambled passage.

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09 Sep 04 - 10:30 PM (#1268174)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Nerd

Correction: it took her twenty minutes to decipher it from the time she already had figured out

_______ary legends create self fulfilling processes whereby the rumor _________ are __________ acted.

There's no way for me to tell when she first started.

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09 Sep 04 - 11:21 PM (#1268205)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Little Hawk

Si vous souhaitez traduire de l'anglais en Français, évitez alors ce programme ridiculuous. Cela fonctionne à peine. Que se produit ? Vous essayez de dire quelque chose aussi simplement que possible et qu'obtenez-vous ? Baragouin ! Idéotie ! Mots qui ne se comprennent pas ! I don't savent pourquoi pensée égale de I de faire ceci. Quelle perte de temps !

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09 Sep 04 - 11:23 PM (#1268206)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Big Al Whittle

well done sir jOhn on being dicvinated

its one of the glories of the english public school system - I am reliably informed

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09 Sep 04 - 11:24 PM (#1268208)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: wysiwyg

FT, the thing is, look how many it DID translate! :~)

~S~

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10 Sep 04 - 03:15 AM (#1268313)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Paco Rabanne

Bat on Sir jOhn,

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10 Sep 04 - 06:15 AM (#1268423)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: polaitaly

Foolestroupe, in my opinion Italian has spelling rules more simple than English : there are a little rules, and rigid. There are few exeption.
Cmocuqnue, li gocitetho dlelo sacbmio id valoci non smbrea farunzione ni Ilaitano... I don't know. I know what I have wtrote, so obviously I understand ; I need someone who speak the language, to see if the thing work in Italian too.

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10 Sep 04 - 06:38 AM (#1268428)
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From: The Beast of Farlington

Comunque, il....dello scambio di vocali no sembra funzionare in Italiano

You are right about the rules. I found this pretty easy to work out, apart from the missing word (which detail probably completely negates my argument) and I am not a native italian speaker.

I think Italian is likely to be even easier to read than English in this respect.

j0hn from Hull rules

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10 Sep 04 - 06:40 AM (#1268431)
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From: Paco Rabanne

Good God! The Beast appears to have something approaching a brain!

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10 Sep 04 - 06:56 AM (#1268441)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: polaitaly

Mia cara Bestia, you appear to speak very good Italian ! The missing word was "giochetto".

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10 Sep 04 - 07:11 AM (#1268449)
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From: Sttaw Legend

Good afternoon and well done jOhn, when is the film due for release?

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10 Sep 04 - 07:38 AM (#1268469)
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From: GUEST,Cretinous Yahoo

An interesting piece of work, but I still prefer proper spelling and grammar. If we all followed our own rules we would still be back in the caves saying "UGH" at each other. A common mistake we see here, the difference AMONG to, too and two. They are not interchangable.
Your lack of education or your laziness shouldn't be my problem.

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10 Sep 04 - 07:47 AM (#1268475)
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From: Dave the Gnome

Did you realise than the anagram of vindicated is Ted Da Vinci? There is something very serious going on here. Perhaps jOhn writes in the Da Vinci code , which has something to do with Leonardo's brother, Super Ted...

Doodododo Dooodododo (Twilight Zone Music)

Cheers

DtG

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10 Sep 04 - 07:48 AM (#1268476)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: GUEST,Raggytah

jOhn of Hull ........ Vindicated ! .......... he can't even spell it !

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10 Sep 04 - 08:07 AM (#1268489)
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From: kendall

John doesn't fool me, he can spell but he has more fun "having us on". Someday I hope to meet him.

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10 Sep 04 - 08:27 AM (#1268498)
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From: The Beast of Farlington

Ti ringrazio bene, Polaitaly. Parlo l'italiano abbastanza bene perche lo studiavo tanti anni fa e abitavo due volte in Italia - una volta a Torina e l'altra a Voghera vicino a Pavia.

Quello Ted e proprio uno schemo. Sa solo suonare alla chitarra flamenca e nient'altro. Il suo cervello si trova nelle pantaloni. Non si capisce un tubo!

Saluti

La Bestia di Farlington

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10 Sep 04 - 08:28 AM (#1268500)
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From: The Beast of Farlington

Kendall....I have had the honour of meeting j0hn from Hull.

He is for real

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10 Sep 04 - 08:37 AM (#1268508)
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From: Sttaw Legend

And now in Transylvanianish Beast please.

jOhn is definitely for real and he wears a hat he received as a gift from his local Synagogue.

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10 Sep 04 - 08:42 AM (#1268514)
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From: Paco Rabanne

Dave the Gnome has rumbled us chaps...... It's time to tell the truth, jOhn from hull AND super ted, are indeed the SAME woman from Beverley. There... the cats out of the bag at last.

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10 Sep 04 - 08:46 AM (#1268519)
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From: Dave the Gnome

I have met jOhn and he is pretty surreal...

:D

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10 Sep 04 - 08:48 AM (#1268520)
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From: The Beast of Farlington

Ah Super Ted, but I have seen you and jOhn in the same room at the same time....

And sttaw legend I shall not translate my piece of Italian prose except to say that it contains a thinly veiled reference to Far Ted but he shall have to work out for himself whether it is complimentary or not.

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10 Sep 04 - 08:49 AM (#1268525)
Subject: RE: BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
From: Paco Rabanne

It says I am a well trousered prat who plays flamenco and doesn't like cod.

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10 Sep 04 - 08:52 AM (#1268529)
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From: The Beast of Farlington

Words to that effect, Ted!

Actually, it should be "Non capisce un tubo" not "Non si capisce un tubo" - THAT would mean that the tubo wouldn't capisce itself when, in fact, it refers to you.

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10 Sep 04 - 10:48 AM (#1268621)
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From: Once Famous

This is John from Hull.

This thread is John from Hull on drugs.

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10 Sep 04 - 01:10 PM (#1268638)
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From: Sttaw Legend

Good afternoon Martin.

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10 Sep 04 - 01:12 PM (#1268641)
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From: GUEST

Do us a favour and stick a hotdog where the sun don't shine....oh you already have.

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10 Sep 04 - 01:25 PM (#1268662)
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From: Georgiansilver

JhOn frmo Uhll is a fisrt clsas bloek. I met him too and can truly say it was an experience. My smelling is not always godo. Keep it up Sir John. Best wishes.

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10 Sep 04 - 02:54 PM (#1268732)
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From: Dead Horse

Dont none of ya know how ta use a speeling chocker?
I did a spooling chock on El Gruckos ferst pist and thus is wot I git:-

I condole belvedere tart I cloud audacity dues dastard waft I was droning.   

The paranormal pear of the human maid!   Occurring to a breech at Ambridge diversity, it doesn't mutter in wrath order the otters in a wood are, the only prompting ting is tact the frets and slat otter be in the grit plate. The reset can be a tarot miss and you can sill rated it outhunt a problem. A tip is backseat the human maid demos not rated eve litter by isle, but the wood as a woe. Amazing huh? Yacht and I allays thought sapling was important!

Now all is kleer, huh?

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10 Sep 04 - 03:01 PM (#1268735)
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From: Cluin

Shite, rubbish, stuff and nonsense.

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10 Sep 04 - 04:57 PM (#1268806)
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From: Once Famous

Guest, spoken like a true lard ass.

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10 Sep 04 - 05:35 PM (#1268833)
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From: Little Hawk

"Lard ass". I like that expression! Here's another good one: "duck arse"

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10 Sep 04 - 08:49 PM (#1268939)
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From: The Fooles Troupe

From the thread list right now

BS: jOhn of Hull vindicated at last!
BS: A new level of terror

:-)

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10 Sep 04 - 08:52 PM (#1268941)
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From: Little Hawk

Yes, it is terrifying isn't it? I tremble at the thought of jOhn from Hull being vindicated.

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11 Sep 04 - 09:01 AM (#1269194)
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From: wigan

after jock mctaggarts epistle, i suddenly realise that ther's nowt wrong wi johns spelling.
waht is more he is easy to understand afetr about 6 pints!!

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