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14 Jan 98 - 06:21 PM (#19228) Subject: Alternate last verse of Waxies Dargle From: Denis I heard a version of The Waxies Dargle that included this alternate verse. I'm missing some of the lyrics but it went something like:
a swimming in the ocean and the way she kicked and splashed about well she made a great commotion and I oh I laughed har har hee hee something something something for one of her legs was made of cork and upside down she floated.
-Joe Offer- |
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22 Sep 04 - 01:58 PM (#1278443) Subject: Lyr. Corr: Waxie's Dargle From: Mrrzy In the first verse, it should read: ...But he wouldn't lend me a half a crown To go to the Waxie's Dargle... |
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22 Sep 04 - 02:01 PM (#1278451) Subject: RE: Lyr. Corr: Waxie's Dargle From: Sorcha Mrz, is this a correction, a request, or what? |
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22 Sep 04 - 03:14 PM (#1278511) Subject: RE: Lyr. Corr: Waxie's Dargle From: MartinRyan It's a correction to a long-lived gap in the DT! Regards |
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22 Sep 04 - 03:16 PM (#1278513) Subject: RE: Lyr. Corr: Waxie's Dargle From: GUEST,milk monitor It's a really big 'Irish' pub just off Leicester Square with a real tree growing right up the middle. I know that doesn't help at all does it? The last time I was in there Rod Stewart came in with friend/minder. Rod was notable by his stature...absolutely tiny and wearing stack heels. |
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22 Sep 04 - 03:27 PM (#1278520) Subject: RE: Lyr. Corr: Waxie's Dargle From: GUEST,ClaireBear You studious harvesting elves have probably figured it out already, but the lyric that requires correcting is in the DT under "Waxies Dargle" (no apostrophe). |
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22 Sep 04 - 06:21 PM (#1278655) Subject: RE: Lyr. Corr: Waxie's Dargle From: Joe Offer I couldn't find Folksongs and Ballads Popular in Ireland the source of the DT version. Here is the complete DT version, with the missing words Mrrzzy supplied, pluse a typo correction or two that I made. Seems to me it's correctly Waxies Dargle (no apostrophe), as shown in the DT. THE WAXIES DARGLE Says my aul' wan to your aul' wan "Will ye come to the Waxies dargle?" Says your aul' wan to my aul' wan, "Sure I haven't got a farthing. I've just been down to Monto town To see uncle McArdle But he wouldn't lend me half a crown For to go to the Waxies dargle." Cho: What are ye having, will ye have a pint? Yes, I'll have a pint with you, sir, And if one of us doesn't order soon We'll be thrown out of the boozer. Says my aul' wan to your aul' wan "Will ye come to the Galway races?" Says your aul' wan to my aul' wan, "With the price of my aul' lad's braces. I went down to Capel Street To the Jew man moneylenders But they wouldn't give me a couple of bob on My aul' lad's suspenders." Says my aul' wan to your aul' wan "We have no beef or mutton But if we go down to Monto town We might get a drink for nuttin'" Here's a piece of good advice I got from an aul' fishmonger: "When food is scarce and you see the hearse You'll know you have died of hunger. From Folksongs and Ballads Popular in Ireland, Ossian Publications Note: Waxies are candlemakers; Waxies Dargle is their annual excursion to Bray. Tune is Brighton Camp, or Girl I Left Behind Me. RG @Irish @drink @poverty @food filename[ WAXDARGL TUNE FILE: BRGHTON CLICK TO PLAY RG Here's a version that's just a bit different: Waxies Dargle Says my aul' wan to your aul' wan, "Will you come to the Waxies Dargle?" Says your aul' wan to my aul' wan, "Sure I haven't got a farthing. I've just been down to Monto town To see young Kill McArdle, But he wouldn't give me half a crown To go to the Waxies Dargle." CHORUS What will you have, will you have a pint? I'll have a pint with you, sir, And if one of you doesn't order soon We'll be thrown out of the boozer. Says my aul' wan to your aul' wan, "Will you come to Galway Races?" Says your aul' wan to my aol wan, "With the price of my aul' lad's braces. I went down to Capel Street, To the Jew man moneylenders, But they wouldn't give me a couple of bob On my oul' lad's [red] suspenders." CHORUS Says my aul' wan to your aul' wan, "We have no beef or mutton, But if we go down to Monto Town, We might get a drink for nuttin'. Here's a piece of advice I got from an aul fishmonger, When food is scarce, and you see the hearse, You'll know you have died of hunger." CHORUS from the Very Best Irish Songs and Ballads, Walton Manufacturing, 1999 Note: The waxies (candle makers) held an annual outing to the seaside town of Bray, County Wicklow, 12 miles south of Dublin. Joe's note: Today, you can take an outing to Bray on the DART Rapid Transit from Dublin, a beautiful train ride along the shore of the Irish Sea. -Joe Offer- |
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22 Sep 04 - 06:32 PM (#1278662) Subject: RE: Lyr. Corr: Waxie's Dargle From: BanjoRay I always thought the first four lines went: Says my aul' wan to your aul' wan "Will ye come to the Waxies dargle?" Says your aul' wan to my aul' wan, "Sure I haven't got the price of a gargle." This is what Noel Murphy always sung. Cheers Ray |
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22 Sep 04 - 07:55 PM (#1278722) Subject: RE: Lyr. Corr: Waxie's Dargle From: Q (Frank Staplin) 2nd verse, last lime, sings better with 'On my oul lad's red suspenders.' A couple of websites have it this way. The Pogues' lyrics, with a clip in MP3, here: Waxies Dargle |
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23 Feb 14 - 12:30 PM (#3604092) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,henryp Andy Irvine writes; By this time [June 1967], Johnny [Moynihan] and myself were hooked into Sweeney's Men and the only possible replacement, apart from Paul Brady, who was unavailable in The Johnstons, was Terry Woods and his twelve string guitar. Sweeney's [Men] was now a going concern and we made another single [November 1967]. The Waxie's Dargle was a Dublin song with only a couple of verses but we augmented it with a chorus: What are ya havin'? Will ya have a pint? I'll have a pint with you, sir And if one of youse doesn't order soon We'll be thrown out of the boozer It went to number two. |
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23 Feb 14 - 06:53 PM (#3604199) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: MartinRyan This thread seems a bit confused - several conflated? Anyway, in my head, the first verse has always been: Says my aul' wan to your aul' wan, "Will you come to the Waxies Dargle?" Says your aul' wan to my aul' wan, "Sure I haven't got a fardel. I've been down to Monto town To see young Kit McArdle, But he wouldn't give me half a crown To go to the Waxies Dargle." A "fardel" is a small bundle - so, effectively, supplies for the outing! It keeps the rhyme with McArdle, of course. Now all I have to do is remember where the hell I might have heard that word. Frank Harte? Regards |
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24 Feb 14 - 02:28 AM (#3604282) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel The scansion, metre, rhyme scheme and general structure of that first verse made me immediately want to sing it to the tune of "Iko Iko"... |
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24 Feb 14 - 05:03 AM (#3604305) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,concerend What a load of crap MarkBluemel.. nothing like it!! |
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24 Feb 14 - 09:41 AM (#3604361) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,henryp The first lines are certainly similar. The waxies' Dargle dates from the mid-19th century, and I imagine the song does too. Iko Iko was written in 1953 about the parades in New Orleans. My grandma and your grandma Were sittin' by the fire. My grandma told your grandma "I'm gonna set your flag on fire" Hey now! Hey now! Iko, Iko, unday Jockamo feeno ai nan? Jockamo fee nan? |
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24 Feb 14 - 09:44 AM (#3604362) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,henryp Oh yes - intolerant replies should be posted on the BBC Folk Awards thread. |
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24 Feb 14 - 10:22 AM (#3604371) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,Concerened Yes.henryp..and people who know shite about music should join them.. |
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24 Feb 14 - 01:14 PM (#3604440) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: Tattie Bogle Oy, I've just posted in that thread! (Asking them to use the shite word less often!) |
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24 Feb 14 - 04:23 PM (#3604482) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,henryp Stay here. It's a much more refined thread, isn't it? |
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24 Feb 14 - 04:42 PM (#3604490) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,concerened Nothing to do with "refined" Mr.Smartarse ..supposed to be a music site.....well, for us that have more than a passing acquaintance with the subject. |
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24 Feb 14 - 05:20 PM (#3604503) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,henryp Crap and shite...that passes for criticism today. Perhaps we do need reform in our schools. |
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24 Feb 14 - 06:09 PM (#3604522) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,concerened By the c3 intellect on this site, most of you seem to have gone to Reform Schools LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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24 Feb 14 - 06:16 PM (#3604525) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,henryp Be careful. The Folk Police are watching you. |
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15 Jul 15 - 09:32 PM (#3723908) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy re: the message about Andy Irvine and Sweeney's Men, the melodic mandolin and bouzouki tremolo at the end of the recording with all the bar noises and conversations in the background, was added by Johnny Moynihan. The tune is Fritz Kreusler's "The Old Refrain", a melancholic song one might have heard in a bar in Dublin, especially since Deanna Durbin sang it in a film. The joke is, if you are dinging the last lines to the melody you end up with"When up to the heavens I take my lay, the angels too will say: TIME, GENTLEMEN, PLEASE!" |
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15 Jul 15 - 09:42 PM (#3723910) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy as to the first of the posts by Denis, this a a parody of "The Girl I Left Behind Me" which is the same tune as "Waxies Dargle": My Dear Old Mother-In-Law (same tune as above) Oh, I took my dear old mother-in-law, A-bathing in the ocean, And the way she kicked and splashed about, It caused a great commotion. Oh how I laughed, ha, ha, ha, ha, And goodness, how I gloated, For one of her legs was made of cork, And the wrong way up she floated. |
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15 Jul 15 - 10:57 PM (#3723923) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: michaelr Mark Bluemel has it right: the "my auld one to your auld one" line is definitely mirrored in "Iko Iko". It would be interesting to trace the connection; there's at least one great thread about the New Orleans chant on this site. |
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16 Jul 15 - 12:38 AM (#3723931) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: eftifino I see that a few Mudcats have mentioned Bray as the site of the Waxies' Dargle. Not so, I'm afraid. In the 19th century, during the Summer, the gentry of Dublin would travel out to Bray and Enniskerry with their entourages and have picnics on the banks of the River Dargle. The Dargle was a popular holiday resort, and the name in Dublin slang became synonymous with "holiday resort". The shoe-makers and repairers in Dublin were known as waxies, because they used wax to waterproof and preserve the thread they used in stitching the shoes. Easter and Whitsun were their principal holidays, Monday being the excursion for men and Tuesday for women. The original Waxies' Dargle was said to be part of Donnybrook Fair, but due to riotous behaviour ( thus , in the USA, a 'donnybrook"' meant a right old punchup), this fair closed in 1855. In any case, the waxies' excursions did not go all the way to Bray, but only went as far as Irishtown which is located between Ringsend and Sandymount, and a lot less salubrious than Bray. In imitation of the gentry, they called their outing the Waxies' Dargle. They drove out from the city to Ringsend on flat drays, ten or a dozen to each vehicle. I remember, as I grew up in Sandymount, that Irishtown/Ringsend was known as the Waxies Dargle, but couldn't fully remember till I saw this thread, so I've blatantly plagiarized Wiki, who put it so much better than I could! |
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16 Jul 15 - 04:13 AM (#3723949) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,Henry Piper of Ottery Its also worth noting that the "Monto Town" mentioned in some versions was the old red light district of Dublin, centred on Montgomery St (Now renamed I believe) Perhaps some of these candle makers or leather workers were in the habit of funding their day out in a horizontal fashion !!! |
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16 Jul 15 - 07:46 AM (#3723985) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: Jim Carroll "Crap and shite...that passes for criticism today." Sadly, as does "folk police" Henry. Jim Carroll |
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16 Jul 15 - 01:49 PM (#3724097) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,henryp By the c3 intellect on this site... And C3 doesn't exist either. The NRS classification is based, not on intellect, but occupation. I'm not sure where folk-singers fit in. Grade A; Social class - upper middle class; Chief income earner's occupation - higher managerial, administrative or professional Grade B; middle class; intermediate managerial, administrative or professional Grade C1; lower middle class; supervisory or clerical and junior managerial, administrative or professional Grade C2; skilled working class; skilled manual workers Grade D; working class; semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers Grade E; non working; casual or lowest grade workers, pensioners, and others who depend on the welfare state for their income |
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16 Jul 15 - 02:32 PM (#3724109) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: GUEST,Henry Piper of Ottery. I wish it to be Known that I am NOT henryp, and did NOT mention The "Folk Police" Just to clear up any confusion. !!!!!! |
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16 Jul 15 - 03:37 PM (#3724129) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: Mrrzy Love this place. Always wondered what the waxies had been waxing. Besides poetic, of course. So what's a dargle - a drink or a place where the pixies hang out or what? |
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16 Jul 15 - 03:54 PM (#3724132) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: Jim Carroll "So what's a dargle" From the indispensable 'Slanguage, a dictionary of Irish slang, by Bernard Share Jim Carroll WAXY [n., |
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16 Jul 15 - 04:34 PM (#3724141) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Waxies Dargle From: MartinRyan The River which flows through the town of Bray in County Wicklow, Ireland was originally known as the Bray River - surprise! That name has an Irish (language) origin - but the root of "Dargle" is obscure, as far as I can discover. Regards |