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28 Sep 04 - 05:17 AM (#1282951) Subject: CD's that won't play From: Leraud Does anyone else have the same problem? If I get a cheaply produced CD (i.e. one copied on a home computer, or one with a paper label), nine times out of ten, I can't play them on my old CD player or the CD player in my car. I can generally play them on my new stereo, but even this has a hiccup sometimes. Any suggestions? |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:20 AM (#1282953) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST,Raggytash Stop robbing artists of their due reward and buy originals |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:23 AM (#1282955) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST,MBS Absolutely right Raggytash!!!!. |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:28 AM (#1282958) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST Buy the original CD yourself and burn it on a good quality blank CD. There are lots of cheapy brands that don't work. I do that so I can have copies in work and in the car. |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:28 AM (#1282959) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST Walked into that one didn't you, yes the problem here is theft, if you stop it your problem goes away, easy isn't it, next please |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:32 AM (#1282962) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Leraud Excuse me, you self-righteous gits! I run the Waltham Abbey Folk Club and am often sent demo CD's by hopeful artists. Also, when I sometimes buy a CD from an artist, they are cheaply produced and have paper labels. Now, have you got any sensible suggestions? If you want to have a go at someone, try Tony Blair, not me whose just trying to get on with my life. |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:42 AM (#1282967) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST Has Tony Blair been copying CD's - he plays the guitar as well. |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:45 AM (#1282969) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST My apologies jumped in a little quick there |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:58 AM (#1282975) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST,Raggytash Perhaps you should have made that clear in your original thread, only last night in my local watering hole someone was offering bogus CD's & DVD's for sale, he had a ring-binder with page after page of titles and was obviously making some money out of his "trade" denying the performers, artistes etc of their royalities ........ I doubt if he passed any on ....... do you |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:02 AM (#1282977) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: The Fooles Troupe There's this previous thread TECH: Why don't CD's sometimes play? It's probably got more than you ever thought you wanted to know, but it's all covered in there. |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:10 AM (#1282982) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: treewind Lynne, the commonest reason when many CDRs don't play on one player is because that CD player is very old. It's not that they wear out (though that happens too) but CD players made before CDR was in common use simply aren't designed to read them. (tech note: same format but weaker markings on the disk: light/dark grey vs. black/white) The next commonest reason is that they were recorded on not best quality blanks or with a CD recorder that wasn't too good, in which case there's not a lot you can do about it. You should be able to play them without any trouble on a computer CD drive. If that doesn't work either the CD is a really duff one and you should get it replaced. Always keep CDRs away from heat and sunlight or they'll get worse. I burn CDRs on really cheap unbranded blanks using a Plextor drive; they are never the cheapest CDR drive but they are better designed and seem to produce good results on anything. And before the self righteous copy protection police jump in again, I'm talking about CDs Mary and I have recorded of our own music - "Through The Groves" is a home produced CDR and we've had no playability complaints. Our demo is a CDR too, like most. Anahata |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:15 AM (#1282984) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST,Steve Raggytash I think you owe this young lady an apology you were soon to jump in |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:38 AM (#1282995) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: George Papavgeris Ditto here, like Anahata. My demos and also my early run albums are on CDRs, and once I persuaded Zorg to replace his 197something CD player with a newer one (joke), no further playability complaints received. The thing is, Lynne, it is the availability of CDR technology for small batch production that has enabled so many artists to produce demos, and even their first few albums. Pressing CDs from a glass master (the "proper way", if you like) only becomes viable for batches of 1,000+; and only the top 10 or so gigging artists in the UK folk circuit can hope to clear such quantities in anything like a year. The remaining ordinary mortals are happy if they can shift a few hundred copies of their album. So, to avoid taking up space in the loft with unsold albums (and investing money they can't hope to see again any time soon), they turn to CDR technology. Hail the CDR, I say, that has allowed me to enjoy Mary and Anahata, Les Sullivan, Cloudstreet, Ruth & Kate, Jim Fauper, Chris Flegg etc - the list is endless. So you'll have to use a newer player, that can cope with CDRs. Your PC should cope in any case. |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:45 AM (#1283001) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: McGrath of Harlow It's worth it using one of those lens-cleaning discs on the CD player that doesn't play the disc, because that sometimes might make the difference, when it only plays some discs and not others. Strange the way you get people who assume that the only music around worth listening to has to be on commercially produced discs... |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:49 AM (#1283004) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST To assume is to make an ASS of U and ME eh Raggy |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:53 AM (#1283008) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Leraud Thank you for the helpful comments. I'll try a lens cleaning disc. Never heard of it, but I'll track one down somehow! Lynne |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:59 AM (#1283011) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Sttaw Legend http://www.kleanit.co.uk/acatalog/CD_Rom_Cleaning.html |
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28 Sep 04 - 07:53 AM (#1283043) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST I wish mediocre "artistes" would stop robbing me . |
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28 Sep 04 - 08:08 AM (#1283061) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Leraud Name yourself, GUEST, and speak in plain English |
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28 Sep 04 - 08:27 AM (#1283076) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: treewind Actually George, the break-even point is less than 1000. More like 200-500, depending on how you get the CDR duplication done. And while I mentioned that "Through The Groves" is a CDR, "Sharp Practice" is a pressed CD. (run of 500) Anahata |
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28 Sep 04 - 08:39 AM (#1283085) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST I thought I had spoken in plain English...I cannot tell you how many times I have paid very good money for a cd that has been dreadful..bad singing, poor playing, cheaply produced and so on...no one has ever offered me my money back. Not everyone who puts out a cd is deserving of Fifteen dollars of my money. My suggestion would be that if you are planning to sell a product and you are going to call it "art" and claim the title of "artist" for yourself, have some care for what you sell to the public. This is a two way street, is it not ? |
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28 Sep 04 - 09:05 AM (#1283106) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Maryrrf Guest, have you tried contacting the artist with your complaint. I for one would refund the money to anybody who contacted me and complained about the quality of the CD, the music, etc. I would appreciate the feedback and personally hope people enjoy what they hear when they buy one of my CD's. I have a couple of home produced CD's that I don't sell much anymore but I state right up front that they are not elaborately produced, it's just guitar and vocals and maybe not for everybody. If you buy the CD don't you usually have a pretty good idea of what's on it (i.e. you've seen/heard the performer, gotten a recommendation, listened to some sound clips???) |
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28 Sep 04 - 09:28 AM (#1283120) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: George Papavgeris Clearly you have some sort of chip on that shoulder, GUEST, as Maryrrf says the first thing you should do is contact the artist, not moan on the internet. Neither should you equate cost with quality all the time. And by the way, from where in this thread did you pick up the bad singing connection? Clear the problem inside your head first, then address it in the most obvious way - it's usually the best. Meanwhile, I will offer the worldwide famous guarantee of Graeme Knights: "If you don't like one of my CDs, give it back to me, and I will give you a CD I don't like". Joking of course, GUEST, if you happen to have bought one of my CDs and for whatever reason you don't like it, send it back and I will refund the cost and postage plus $1 for your bad experience. Can't say fairer now, can I? |
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28 Sep 04 - 09:34 AM (#1283127) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: George Papavgeris You are right, Anahata, I was speaking from old prices, they have dropped (probably because of the CDR competition). Looking at the latest prices I got it does indeed work out just below 500. Like you, I had "Ordinary Heroes" pressed from a glass master. |
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28 Sep 04 - 09:46 AM (#1283134) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: MaineDog Some older cd players will not play any of these : - commercial cds over 74 minutes long - cd's recorded on cdrw media from any source - cd's recorded on high-speed media (over 4x write speed) - dirty cds of any sort ; even a fingerprint will do it I once took a cd back to my favorite dealer when it would not play in my Yamaha changer. He played it in several players in his shop, all ok Then he whipped out his teeshirt tail (all cotton) and scrubbed it like a dirty dish, and I took it home, (the cd, not the shirt) and it was fine. (I don't usually clean them that way, it could be too rough--) MD |
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28 Sep 04 - 10:38 AM (#1283174) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: treewind " - cd's recorded on cdrw media from any source" Yes, CDRW is much worse than CDR in that respect. And anonymous GUEST - of course there's some dreadful amateurish stuff put out on CDR, but that's no proof that everything on CDR is badly done. Anyway, Caveat emptor... There's a lot of crapola on pressed CDs too, if that's not depressingly obvious. Most performers in this forum who sell CDs do so on the back of gigs. The buyers already know what kind of music they are going to hear. Having said that I do remember being disappointed once with a CD bought from a band at a gig - it was a pressed CD, and it wasn't like the live performance because it was a studio session with lots of professional session musicians - technically perfect but unrecognisable as the cheerful fun-filled live act that I'd heard. Your mileage may vary. Anahata |
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28 Sep 04 - 10:48 AM (#1283182) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: McGrath of Harlow "Cave emptor" |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:43 AM (#1283224) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Chris Green On the subject of bands putting their albums out CDRs, it costs quite a lot of moolah to have a CD properly prepped up and most places don't go to press for less than 500 copies. GUEST - re your whinge about about the sub standard quality of what's on the CDRs you've bought - I can't quite understand what your problem is. Do you buy a video and then demand your money back because you didn't like the film? Of course not - the merits of the artistic content of anything you buy is always going to be a matter of personal taste. As for crappy production values, one of my favourite albums is "Harvest" by Neil Young. Without a shadow of a doubt (IMO) one of the worst-recorded and produced albums I've ever heard, but the songs and performances are superb! |
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28 Sep 04 - 02:51 PM (#1283362) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST I think some of you may have missed my point..I have bought cds that I don't like..but if they are simply a matter of taste then I agree, buyer beware, however, if they are simply sub-standard then I do believe that the artists must bear some responsibility. To use your exampleof a video..If I don't like it, that is one thing, if it is so badly produced as to be unwatchable...that is another. By way of a PS..why do guests with whom you disagree get chided for being guests when "being a guest is not the issue?" |
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28 Sep 04 - 02:57 PM (#1283374) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Chris Green a) I wasn't having a go at you for being a guest! b) You did give this distinct impression that it was the content of the recordings that you were dissatisfied with, not just the quality. However I may have misunderstood. Obviously if a CD doesn't work then you take it back! No hard feelings I hope! |
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28 Sep 04 - 03:09 PM (#1283383) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: George Papavgeris GUEST, nobody chided you for being a guest on this thread. We did take exception to your statements though, in a thread that is clearly to do with CD manufacturing quality : "I thought I had spoken in plain English...I cannot tell you how many times I have paid very good money for a cd that has been dreadful..bad singing, poor playing, ...... My suggestion would be that if you are planning to sell a product and you are going to call it "art" and claim the title of "artist" for yourself, have some care for what you sell to the public." You are clearly referring to content there; you also take it on yourself (by using quotes in "art" and "artist") to cast aspersions on the work - content and all - of some of the artists that had posted on this thread previously. At least careless of you, I'd say, I am not ascibing malice in any case. But in the light of the above your later posting can only be seen as back-pedalling. It's OK. I am sure you are a good person, really, just a little hasty on the keyboard like many of us, myself included. I often shoot from the hip and have to apologise later. No harm done, no apology needed. Smile and be happy, everyone! |
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28 Sep 04 - 03:39 PM (#1283411) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: MMario if it is so badly produced as to be unwatchable By whose standards? There are movies, TV shows, etc I consider to be "unwatchable" and CD's that make me cringe. But other people consider them fantastic. CD's I love and listen to repeatedly sound like chalk on a keyboard to various friends. |
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28 Sep 04 - 03:41 PM (#1283415) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: breezy wow that was a good thread. Had the same problem, so I use 3 CD players. Well said our Lynne, hope our guest one day has the chance to hear this wonderful singer of ours. |
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28 Sep 04 - 03:54 PM (#1283433) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: TheBigPinkLad If you burn CD copies at home use the slowest burn rate to ensure highest quality. i.e when your CDR offers you a transfer rate of 2x, 4x, 8x, 12x etc. choose the slowest one. |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:43 PM (#1283497) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: breezy which is ..... |
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28 Sep 04 - 07:15 PM (#1283554) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: vectis Like Lynne I get a lot of CDs from hopeful artists after bookings. Too many won't play on my car CD or at home. A pity because they might be fantastic but if I can't hear the demo I can't risk booking them. Never thought of trying them on the PC, maybe I'll give some of them another go. I can tolerate demos that are cheaply produced but when I pay good money for a CD and it proves unplayable I really do feel that I've been ripped off. |
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29 Sep 04 - 11:39 AM (#1284086) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: moocowpoo It seemed that noone really answered the question (but, I did scroll down pretty quickly), although I always find a debate on intelectual property,,etc interesting. Without going into details, Professionally manufactured cd's ALL have errors, part of your cd players job is to correct as many of these errors as possible. Even when you do a slow-burn (which is,as TBPL says, the best speed to burn at) on your home computer it will always result in an end product with more errors than manufactured cds. Newer cd players (well, in the last 5 or so years) are just better at correcting these problems, older ones often just get confused and say "what the hell do you expect me to do with this!!??". the only solution is to use a newer player..... muh |
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29 Sep 04 - 11:43 AM (#1284090) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: GUEST,,Raggytash I have nothing to apologise for I was making a point |
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29 Sep 04 - 11:47 AM (#1284093) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: moocowpoo .....I don't believe you have any cause to apologise |
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29 Sep 04 - 05:29 PM (#1284335) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: breezy dont worry raggy you cant help it, and anonymous guests, the same goes for you too. as for mcpoo, well your're just a shitstirring ozman who lost in 2003 |
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29 Sep 04 - 06:20 PM (#1284372) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Desert Dancer In computer game shops I've seen 1) a fluid that's supposed to repair some scratches on discs, and 2) a vinyl (or some-such) disc cover to protect against disc wear. Does anyone have any experience with either of these on cds or dvds? ~ Becky in Tucson |
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29 Sep 04 - 06:32 PM (#1284383) Subject: RE: CD's that won't play From: Gorgeous Gary One problem I've been having lately is that the CDR drive in my computer at work chokes on "enhanced" CDs (CD's with video clips and other non-audio-track stuff...getting popular on rock CD's these days). These particular CD's work everywhere ELSE--my regular CD player at home, my Discman, my home computer drive, just not at work. And what's really annyoing is that once it chokes on one CD, it won't play ANY other CD... -- Gary |