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28 Sep 04 - 05:41 AM (#1282966) Subject: BS: figure this out!!! From: GUEST,tarheel Subject: We all need to take this under consideration I don't usually do this, but I had to send this to all of you because it is important. This was passed on to me, but I "can't understand it." Maybe you can!! I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head so I'll know how to vote come November. Right now, we have one guy saying one thing. Then the other guy says something else. Who to believe. Lemme see; have I got this straight? Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad... Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good... Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad... Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good... Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad... Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists- good... Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad... Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good... Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad... Clinton commits felonies while in office - good... Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad... No mass graves found in Serbia - good... No WMD found Iraq - bad... Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good... Economy on upswing under Bush - bad... Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good... World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad... Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good... Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad... Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good... Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad... Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good... Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad... Milosevic not yet convicted - good... Saddam turned over for trial - bad... Ahh, it's so confusing! Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the government. This year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the earliest it has been since 1991. It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about those dates? Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim. Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame). Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Only 40 days until the election! |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:08 AM (#1282979) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: The Fooles Troupe You've obviously got too much time on your hands tarheel - play some music and stop thinking dangerous thoughts! All US Presidents are very rich men coming from a very small cliche of very rich familes... Now you've gor me thinking too! Robin |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:47 AM (#1283002) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: kendall Just goes to show you can prove anything if you manipulate the figures. |
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28 Sep 04 - 07:38 AM (#1283030) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Mr Red AND that is the job of politicians - (and maybe people with time on their hands) ***BG*** |
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28 Sep 04 - 07:58 AM (#1283046) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: GUEST,Raggytash Kendall One of our 19th Century Prime Ministers, Benjamin D'Israeli, quoted the following "there are lies, dammed lies and statistics" you can prove almost anything with figures, for instance a 10 year old child grows older faster than a 90 year old man The reasoning is that a 10 year old increases his age by 1/10th at his next birthday, a 90 year old man only increases his age by 1/90th |
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28 Sep 04 - 09:28 AM (#1283119) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Mooh Only the deluded would consider all those atrosities attributed to Clinton "good". Both men were/are bad. Peace, Mooh. |
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28 Sep 04 - 09:41 AM (#1283131) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Amos ANd I think you're confusing Kerry with Teresa. And the rhetorical illogic in your comparisons doesn't even bear analysis. A |
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28 Sep 04 - 10:51 AM (#1283187) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Amos It is really asinine to fault Kerry for Teresa's fortune, which she inherited through an earlier marriage. Where is the logic that makes this some ill reflection on his charactyer. And let me point out that income taxes are usually paid on income, not assets. Don't play stupid, old Guy. It does not become you. No-one ever said destroying terrorist training camps was bad. These are cheap rhetorical shams you are trotting out, not sober assessments based on fact -- typical of yellow journalism at its worst. A |
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28 Sep 04 - 10:59 AM (#1283198) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: SINSULL Chuck, Glad to see you are feeling better. SINS |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:15 AM (#1283207) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Stilly River Sage This is as silly as the old saw that started: Abraham Lincoln was shot in a theater and his killer hid in a warehouse; John F. Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his killer hid in a theater. and the rest of it. It might fool third grade children, but it shouldn't fool adults. It's a rhetorical game with no merit, written with a political goal in mind for those who have difficulty in thinking deeply. SRS |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:22 AM (#1283211) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Mrrzy Well, at least tarheel is feeling better! |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:50 AM (#1283230) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Ebbie MAKE THE PIE HIGHER by George W. Bush I think we all agree, the past is over. This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses. Rarely is the question asked Is our children learning? Will the highways of the Internet become more few? How many hands have I shaked? They misunderestimate me. I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity. I know that the human being and the fish can coexist. Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings take dream. Put food on your family! Knock down the tollbooth! Vulcanize society! Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher! Figure this out? What's not to like in a mind like that? |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:56 AM (#1283235) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Chris Green I think it shows that Clinton was an arsehole. But Bush is a much more dangerous arsehole. |
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28 Sep 04 - 12:27 PM (#1283261) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Bill D it doesn't 'show' diddly-squat....many of those 'facts' are simply inaccurate, others are comparing apples to oranges. Clinton's careless sex life is not comparable to Bush's reckless endangerment of the world and the stability of lives. |
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28 Sep 04 - 12:40 PM (#1283267) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: John MacKenzie I like Bill Clinton, can't stand Hillary, not that I condone his role as Head Executive. I can't stand GWB although I was mightily impressed by his address to congress a couple of days after 9/11, I just think he was elected by gerrymandering methods. It just means that nobody is all good or all bad, so why not have a curate's egg as president? Giok |
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28 Sep 04 - 12:49 PM (#1283274) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Cluin Is Clinton running for president? I hadn't heard this. I thought it was against the rules. |
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28 Sep 04 - 12:54 PM (#1283278) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Bill D by the way, as is often the case, tarheel's clever posts are copied & pasted without attribution from other sites...in this case, the first hit is from G. Gordon Liddy http://www.liddyshow.us/liddyfile43.php followed by 393 others.... does 'dittohead' ring any bells? |
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28 Sep 04 - 09:35 PM (#1283636) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: The Fooles Troupe "Head Executive" ROFL.... |
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29 Sep 04 - 02:58 AM (#1283761) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: Nerd Yeah, this is what's funny: people like Liddy think it makes sense to lie about Clinton and so make it appear like he and Bush are equally corrupt. They forget this does not make Bush any less corrupt! Finally, that last bit of BS about taxes has me steamed. Obviously, they meant Federal Income Taxes; Kerry has to pay property taxes on his homes, capital gains taxes on investments, etc. (You can't evade property tax anyway). His personal income, on the other hand, is fairly small. |
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30 Sep 04 - 02:33 AM (#1284669) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: The Fooles Troupe ... and business taxes - but the nuumber of deuctions allowed can mean that less taxes are paid than some political types want... :-o |
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30 Sep 04 - 04:43 AM (#1284727) Subject: RE: BS: figure this out!!! From: George Papavgeris Clinton was bad. He should have made more love and less war. GWB is bad. His daddy should have made more war (finish the job after Kuwait) and less love. Kerry we're not sure about, but some have their doubts. In any case, it seems to me that most people don't think he's that amazing; his greatest attribute seems to be "not GWB" Nader doesn't stand a chance. Oh, shit... |