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30 Sep 04 - 06:00 AM (#1284758) Subject: Guitar chord book? From: Gurney My musical taste is changing, or perhaps developing. I can often work out a chord sequence, but some of the newer stuff I'm trying is... well, trying. I'm not a good musician, very little theory. Most chord books have a page for each key, ie. Cmaj, Cm, C7, etc. My usual one has 14 shapes from the major to 13th flattened 9th, more than I'm likely to need. I'd like to find a book with them arranged in some of the more usual relatives, ie. Cmaj, Fmaj, Gmaj, G7, Am, Dm, Em, etc. The etc. is the half that is giving me trouble. Has anyone seen such a thing? Please. |
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30 Sep 04 - 08:56 AM (#1284842) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: muppitz Can't remember the link right now but if you go to Google search and type in OLGA, that should give you a site called "Olga the online guitar archive" and somewhere on there is a database of hundreds of chords, there is also an archive of loads of songs, might prove useful in more ways than one! Muppitz x |
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30 Sep 04 - 02:18 PM (#1285089) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: M.Ted Not sure what you are looking for here-- >>I'd like to find a book with them arranged in some of the more usual relatives, ie. Cmaj, Fmaj, Gmaj, G7, Am, Dm, Em, etc. The etc. is the half that is giving me trouble. Generally, on guitar, you only need to know how to play in G with the fundamental on the E string, and in C with the funamental on the A string, then you can slide that up or down to play in any other key-- |
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30 Sep 04 - 04:19 PM (#1285218) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: ddw Hi Gurney If you're asking what I think you're asking, I don't think I've ever seen a book like that except a music theory book. It will tell you what are the usual relative minors, sevenths, ninths, etc. for any key. If you get that, then M. Ted's advice is good. Learn to barre up the neck in various keys; I would suggest adding the E progression to the list as well. If you're intimidated by theory, you could also just find a bunch of songbooks and go thru them, noting the progressions. I would highly recommend something by Josh White, who used chord patterns more akin to jazz in a lot of his stuff. For a fantastic site on chord voicings all over the neck, check out http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/pm/chord/chord It will give you any chord for any tuning (well, almost, but I haven't fooled it yet) cheers, david |
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30 Sep 04 - 05:58 PM (#1285288) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: M.Ted E is the same idea as the G on the Low string--though usually, if you're playing closed position, you'd play it on the sixth fret on the A string-- Maybe he just wants the chords that would be used in those keys? Same deal as above-- One thing that I have noticed over the years, is that there are way too many guitar chords--most books just dump them on you without giving you any idea which ones you'll need and which ones aren't really much use-- And all of those big chords that have five or six notes in them are really just two simple chords, stuck together--like C9 which is just the notes from C(C-E-G) stuck together with the notes from Gm (G-B-D)--if you want to be really out there, just take a couple plain chords, like C and Eb and mix them together--you end up with a C7+9-- |
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01 Oct 04 - 09:00 AM (#1285935) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: ddw You're just showing off, M. Ted.... 8>) david |
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01 Oct 04 - 11:45 AM (#1286123) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: Cluin A C9 chord has the notes from a C Dominant 7 chord (C, E, G, Bb) plus the 9th note of the scale (D). Don't know where that 2 chords stuck together comes from. A major chord has 3 notes, the basic 1,3,5 triad A dominant 7th chord has 4 notes, the 1, 3, 5 plus the flatted 7th note A 9th chord has all the notes of the dominant 7th chord plus the 9th, which is the same note as the 2nd but an octave higher If it were an add9 chord, the flatted 7th would be left out. If you want to know the chords for a particular major scale, they go: major, minor, minor, major, major (or dominant7th), minor, diminished,then back to major again for the next octave. i.e. in the scale of C, the notes are: C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C so the chords are: C,Dm,Em,F,G(or G7),Am,Bdim,C |
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01 Oct 04 - 12:53 PM (#1286192) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: Peter T. I think you are looking for The Guitar Chord Progression Encyclopaedia by Howard Wallach from Alfred Publishing. It has the main chords in each key in sequence (I - ii - iii -IV, etc. more or less). yours, Peter T. |
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01 Oct 04 - 07:14 PM (#1286503) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: Gurney Thanks, guys. Looks like I have to take onboard more theory, after 35 years of pottering along without. Peter T's book there sounds what I am looking for, though, if I can find a copy. The problem for me, as I said at the start, is that I'm not very good. Not totally hopeless, just good enough to know just how good I really am, if you understand me. When I'm playing around with something, because it will likely be something requiring serious learning, jazz or something, I'll come across a requirement for a chord I don't recognise, and if I DO manage to find a suitable sound, I've lost the thread of the tune, and wonder if I'm in the right key still. So I start again, and when I get to that bit, it doesn't sound quite right, so I fumble around again.... Frusrating. I've bought several expensive songbooks just for ONE number in them, and then found out that I don't like that arrangement. I do know that I'm trying stuff that is beyond my capacity, but that is Life, isn't it. |
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02 Oct 04 - 10:51 AM (#1286852) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: M.Ted Call it what you want, a C ninth chord is a C major chord and a G minor chord sounding together--where you see a C9 written, you can often play Gm, or play a run based on a Gm chord-- the fact that these messy big chords can be broken down into simple triads is a very useful thing to know about when you are working out chord substitutions to get the right sound with chords that make sense on a guitar-- |
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02 Oct 04 - 12:56 PM (#1286901) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: Peter T. That is good advice, M. Ted. I wish I had a simple way of remembering augmenteds and diminisheds (that doesn't sound right!). Can never hit them spontaneously. yours, Peter T. |
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02 Oct 04 - 01:03 PM (#1286903) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: M.Ted There is a simple way to play them that flows out of the major chord positions--maybe someday I'll be able to show you -- |
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03 Oct 04 - 11:44 AM (#1287441) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: Noah Zacharin I'm a big fan of the three volume set by William G. Leavitt, and published by Berklee Press, called "A Modern Method for Guitar". It goes through basics of the guitar, scales, triads, arpeggios, chord theory, and also presents some quite elegant and melodic chord progressions. For anyone wishing to understand guitar and music in the jazz and jazzesque realms these books will take you (as they are taking me) there. Also highly recommended are Ted Greene's "Modern Chord Progressions" and "Chord Chemistry". He is a monster player/master of the beautiful chord, the chord no one else has ever used. Lots of spice to add to any chord progression from Guthrie to Coleman. My three cents. |
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22 Oct 04 - 08:28 AM (#1303776) Subject: RE: Guitar chord book? From: GUEST,Anthony MINOR KEYS A min B dim C aug D min E F G dim Bb min C dim Db aug Eb min F F# Ab dim B min Db dim D aug E min F# G A dim C min D dim Eb aug F min G Ab Bb dim Db min Eb dim E aug F# min Ab A B dim D min E dim F aug G min A Bb C dim Eb min F dim F# aug Ab min Bb B Db dim E min F# dim G aug A min B C D dim F min G dim Ab aug Bb min C Db Eb dim F# min Ab dim A aug B min Db D E dim G min A dim Bb aug C min D Eb F dim Ab min Bb dim B aug Db min Eb E F# dim MAJOR KEYS C D min E min F G A min B dim Db Eb min F min F# Ab Bb min C dim D E min F# min G A B min Db dim Eb F min G min Ab Bb C min D dim E F# min Ab min A B C# min Eb dim F G min A min Bb C D min E dim F# Ab min Bb min B Db Eb min F dim G A min B min C D E min F# dim Ab Bb min C min Db Eb F min G dim A B min Db min D E F# min Ab dim Bb C min D min Eb F G min A dim B Db min Eb min E F# Ab min Bb dim Diminished chords are also called min7 b5. Meaning they contain the minor seventh and the flat 5. |