|
09 Oct 04 - 09:10 AM (#1293081) Subject: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: GUEST After watching Kerry again last night, all I can say is I'm as morosely depressed at the prospect of this man being president, as I am of another four years of Bush/Cheney. This US election will hold no good news for the US or for the world. Kerry is another Republican in Democrats clothing, just like Clinton. God help us all, but especially the long suffering peoples of the Middle East, upon whom the oil wars continue to be ragingly waged. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 09:38 AM (#1293096) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: GUEST Here is the headline from today's Toronto Star article about last night's presidential debacle: "CALL HIM A LIBERAL HAWK Canada could face more pressure to share the U.S. burden in Iraq if John Kerry becomes president Kerry supports using NATO troops in Iraq, and Canada could find it difficult to avoid taking part" Think about it, people. Is internationalizing America's imperial designs and oil wars a postive step in the right direction? The Toronto Star article offers plenty of food for thought, as we begin contemplating the reality of a Kerry presidency. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 10:13 AM (#1293108) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: GUEST Apologies for the bad link to the Toronto Star article. I can't get it to work. I won't cut and paste the article because it will most likely be deleted by the pro-Kerry clones or pro-Kerry Joe Offer. So here is a link to the Google News page with a link to the article title "CALL HIM A LIBERAL HAWK". Scroll down to nearly the bottom of the page. In all likelihood, the article will be gone within a few hours, but oh well. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 10:17 AM (#1293111) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: Big Mick There you go, just keep trying. I am sure someone will listen to you and get sucked into your neuroses. Mick |
|
09 Oct 04 - 10:23 AM (#1293117) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: GUEST You are such an asshole Mick. I'm quite sure you didn't bother to read the Toronto Star article, which says exactly what I, and a number of other progressive posters here who aren't terribly enamored of Kerry, have been saying since the Dem primaries. This Democratic candidate SUCKS. But hey, if you loved Clinton, you are gonna love Kerry. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 11:15 AM (#1293151) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: artbrooks This would be the article that starts out "Polls show that most Canadians would prefer John Kerry to win the U.S. presidential race. He is thought to be smarter and less warlike than George W. Bush. He is viewed as someone who could extricate the U.S. from the daily madness of Iraq."? |
|
09 Oct 04 - 12:06 PM (#1293174) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: GUEST Yes artbrooks, that is the article I'm talking about, and it will be gone in a matter of hours, so I'll take my chances and quote the article, hoping the Mudcat censors won't act like knee jerk reactionaries for once: TORONTO STAR ARTICLE
great article, but the rules are pretty clear that large cut and paste isn't allowed. I have repaired your link above, and repeat it here. This has nothing to do with the content, just the rules.
Joeclone |
|
09 Oct 04 - 01:35 PM (#1293208) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: Ebbie Interesting article but seems like the author is trying to have it both ways. He compares Kerry to Clinton and compares Kerry's Iraq views to Bush's but the evidence is less than damning. His main contention is that, because of NATO, Canada may not be able to resist taking part in resolving the Iraqi issue. That may be true. However, - Kerry is right - the whole world does have a stake in what happens there. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 02:27 PM (#1293231) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: Metchosin It is sad but true Ebbie. Canada had to become militarily involved in Yugoslavia whether we agreed with the action or not, due to the way NATO is set up. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 02:48 PM (#1293244) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: GUEST Who says a presidential candidate can't be compared to two presidents, just because they are from different parties? That is just silly. The comparison stands rather well, when you are talking about military hawks, regardless which side the aisle they sit on. The article points out the hypocrisy (or is it delusional thinking) of those who opposed the Iraq war, and now support one of it's staunchest supporters. The truth of the matter is, Kerry has never opposed the Iraq war, he doesn't now, and he won't if elected. That poses a real problem for the so-called liberal leftists, who obviously were only opposed to the Iraq war as long as it made Bush look bad/wrong. They were never sincere in their opposition to the war, and were only jumping on the anti-war for the sake of politically expediency. Just shows how disingenuous liberals actually are, and how conservative people like Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore have turned out to be too. They've all done a 180 on the war on Iraq, in order to justify supporting Anybody But Bush. They lost all my respect when they did it, too. At least the Republican conservatives have the guts and fortitude to stick by THEIR principles. Kerry, the DLC, the Clintonistas--all are every bit as dangerous and disingenuous as Bush/Cheney/Rove, the neo-cons, and the evangelical Christian soldiers. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 03:30 PM (#1293262) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: Ebbie As someone said in another thread, paraphrased: Bush sticks to his guns, yes, but his aim is way off. Guest, if we were discussing this BEFORE the invasion of Iraq, we'd be saying very different things. But the truth is, we ARE there. Extricating ourselves without doing further harm is going to be a delicate, riskful process. When you vote, just remember who got us there. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 03:41 PM (#1293268) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: GUEST Without doing any further harm? We've destroyed the whole fucking country! Iraqis can't be seen with Americans for fear of being killed. The security situation for Iraqis is worse than it has ever been. How can this get any worse? Nuking Iraq, maybe, and letting God sort them out? More and more Iraqis are stridently saying that since it is clear the most powerful military in the world can't restore order to Iraq, it is time for that military occupation to end, and the US military to pull out. But hell, we haven't listened to the Iraqis at all, much less asked for what THEY want the US to do, so why start now, right Ebbie? |
|
09 Oct 04 - 03:44 PM (#1293271) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: GUEST "When you vote, just remember who got us there." George W. Bush and John Kerry got us there, along with John Edwards. I will most certainly remember that fact when I step into the voting booth, and vote for Somebody Besides Bush or Kerry. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 04:02 PM (#1293281) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: kendall Why are Canadians so paranoid? Hell, we only invaded you once! And you kicked our ass! |
|
09 Oct 04 - 04:09 PM (#1293288) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: Joe Offer I'm a pacifist, and I'm afraid Kerry isn't going to be a pacifist president. Still, when you have a choice between two, ya gotta take one of them (or throw away your vote on Nader). I sure as hell wouldn't vote for Bush - but my vote for Kerry is reluctant. You're right - Kerry seems like another Republican in Democrat clothing, just like Clinton was. Clinton privatized me out of my government job, so I harbor special disdain for him. I thought it was the Republicans that promoted privatization - but it turned out to be a Democrat who accomplished it. As for Kerry, although he doesn't fit my bill completely, I think he's a decent, intelligent person who will do a good job as President. Since I don't think I'll see the U.S. turn into a pacifist state, I like Kerry's "global test" restriction on preemptive first strikes - that the U.S. and the world must be able to agree that the reasoning behind the attack is solid and justifiable. -Joe Offer- |
|
09 Oct 04 - 04:25 PM (#1293300) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: Little Hawk I have little or no confidence in the Democratic or Republican parties, because they are front organizations for the people who really call the shots, those being major corporations and major banks. I think that Kerry's policies will turn out to be just about as bad as Bush's in all probability, because Kerry is serving the same people that Bush is serving. I hope Bush loses, because he deserves to lose, given his past performance. I expect more of the same from the Democrats when they get in, and there is no other party that is going to get a president elected in the USA. It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned, regardless of who wins. kendall - We're paranoid because we are a small animal resting to the north side of a ravening tiger, that's why. Ask Mexicans how they feel about being on the south side. They've been attacked more than once by the USA. |
|
09 Oct 04 - 06:05 PM (#1293368) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: dianavan kendal - Canadians are paranoid because the U.S. government is a bully and it lives right next door. Give me one good example of a time when the U.S. truly helped Canada in any way. Trade? Look again. They make the rules and break them whenever its beneficial. Basically, the U.S. cannot be trusted. Besides that, they all carry guns! :>) d |
|
09 Oct 04 - 07:59 PM (#1293450) Subject: RE: BS: President Kerry: Depression Sets In From: artbrooks All who? |