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11 Oct 04 - 02:21 AM (#1294118) Subject: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Ebbie This makes me sad. I think we all hoped that he would someday realize his dream of walking again. His indomitable spirit wass an inspiration. "Christopher Reeve, the star of the "Superman" movies whose near-fatal riding accident nine years ago turned him into a worldwide advocate for spinal cord research, died Sunday of heart failure, his publicist said. He was 52. " Click |
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11 Oct 04 - 02:48 AM (#1294123) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: alanabit Farewell to a brave and determined man. |
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11 Oct 04 - 02:52 AM (#1294124) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: George Papavgeris His example was inspirational. More of a superman in real life than he ever was on film. Rest easy, Mr Reeves. |
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11 Oct 04 - 03:12 AM (#1294130) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: s6k he WAS superman.... and the remake will be crap, Reeve was the man to play him. rip. |
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11 Oct 04 - 03:22 AM (#1294135) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Ellenpoly I was truly sorry to hear this. Reeve was a remarkable man and will be missed by many. His work towards stem cell research will go on. |
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11 Oct 04 - 03:24 AM (#1294137) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: GUEST,JeanieKoala R.I.P Christopher Reeve, a truly wonderful man I respected. |
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11 Oct 04 - 03:33 AM (#1294138) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: fat B****rd I'm sad to hear this. He had tremendous courage and dignity. RIP Christopher. |
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11 Oct 04 - 06:44 AM (#1294180) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: JennyO Oh dear, what a tragedy. He was such a fine and courageous person - a super man indeed! This has really upset me. I don't think I have felt this upset about a well known person dying since John Lennon died. I always hoped one day he would walk again. |
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11 Oct 04 - 06:48 AM (#1294181) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: LilyFestre An inspirational man that will be missed by many. Rest in peace. Lily |
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11 Oct 04 - 10:35 AM (#1294248) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Big Mick In the end we are not measured by the number of days we live, but how we live the days. Using that standard, or any you choose, this was a person who demonstrated the truth of heroism. Heroes don't usually set out to be such. In fact, they generally, and honestly, don't realize they are heroic. Tragedy is what revealed this side of Reeve. He could have given up, he could have bemoaned all he had lost. He could have used his great wealth and prestige for his own good. But he did not. His tragedy opened his own eyes to the others. He worked for himself, and for all. His life deserves a song. And what of his beloved Dana, and his children. I think they are not done teaching us. If you wanted a role model from which to teach what real love, passionate love, devoted love is all about, you would not do better than this remarkable Dana. I am quite sure his children will honor their Father. To Matthew, Alexandra, and Will ..... we are so sorry for your loss, and yet we celebrate a life well lived. Mick |
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11 Oct 04 - 10:43 AM (#1294251) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: catspaw49 Can't put it much better than that Mick. Spaw |
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11 Oct 04 - 10:44 AM (#1294252) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: karen k Can't say it better than Mick. We have lost a man who was an inspiration to all and will be greatly missed. My condolences to the Reeve family. karen |
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11 Oct 04 - 11:11 AM (#1294273) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Clinton Hammond Aw fuck... that sucks! |
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11 Oct 04 - 11:36 AM (#1294285) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: katlaughing I agree with Spaw, Karen, and Clinton. Too sad for words. |
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11 Oct 04 - 11:48 AM (#1294295) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: GUEST,Donuel I met him back in 1977. He has a bill in Congress right now. |
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11 Oct 04 - 11:54 AM (#1294302) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Once Famous Yes, he was a very courageous man. the only thing that I can find wrong with any comments so far in this thread is s6k saying: "he WAS superman.... and the remake will be crap, Reeve was the man to play him" I doubt that. The Superman character has proven to be bigger than any actor. And now that he is gone, I believe the remake will just have to be made better, to avoid the sympathic comparisons. |
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11 Oct 04 - 11:55 AM (#1294304) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Jeri I remember a song idea CapriUni had about Peter Pan: "I can't walk, but I can fly." That was Christopher Reeve. He took a horrible tragedy, and found a way to fly, to soar. The last time I heard him speak on TV, he said some feeling had returned to his legs, and he could move a finger. This doesn't sound like much, but in the realm of spinal chord injuries, I think it's huge. It's sad that he never got to walk again. I think if he'd had enough time, he'd have done that. It's not that sad though. We all want stories to have happy endings, but a good life isn't about the ending. We want our travellers to arrive at their destinations. For the traveller though, the best part of a journey is what happens along the path they take. The important part is to just keep moving on. He kept moving on. He loved and was loved, was respected, was passionate about a cause and gave a lot of people hope, and he showed them what bright possibilities might await them on their own journeys. If that isn't soaring, I don't know what is. |
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11 Oct 04 - 12:03 PM (#1294314) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Peace Bye, Chris. |
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11 Oct 04 - 12:13 PM (#1294325) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: open mike must have been the kryptonite... his achilles tendon...or heel;? |
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11 Oct 04 - 12:16 PM (#1294326) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Don Firth Big Mick said it. Because of his courage and determination in the face of what seemed like overwhelming odds, Reeve had made a good measure of progress. A couple decades ago, this would have been next to impossible. Who knows what he might have been able to do had his life not been interrupted by complications from something that is so easy to prevent: a pressure sore. This is something that people who are confined to bed and/or wheelchair have to be very careful about. They're easy to prevent, but once they take hold, they can be extremely dangerous. In Reeve's case, he probably wasn't even able to feel it, so it was up to his attendants to have discovered it in time, which obviously they didn't. Not to point fingers, but this is a damned shame. It's worse than a damned shame because it was so preventable. I've been in a wheelchair since 1990. In 2000, I had to spend about four weeks in a hospital with a leg badly broken from a fall. During that time, my backside (left buttock) became very sore and I complained to both a nurse and my rehabilitation physician about it. They blew me off. Finally, I told another nurse about it, she checked, and hit the ceiling. She called a dermatoligist in right away (and got reprimanded by my rehabilitation physician for going over her head) and the necessary steps were taken before it got started getting real bad. The nurse's first name was Jane, and I never learned her last name. But thank God for people such as her, who listen to patients instead of just treating them like pieces of meat. Sorry. Didn't mean to go on a rant. But when I heard that what precipitated Reeve's death was an infection from a bed-sore, it brought it all back. Again, a damned shame. Don Firth |
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11 Oct 04 - 12:36 PM (#1294334) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Big Mick One of the Doctor's this AM indicated that once someone is on a respirator, life expectancy is about 7 years. Reeve lived 9 years. Apparently the effect of the respirator is that it puts a great deal of stress on the organs, such as the heart. Mick |
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11 Oct 04 - 12:41 PM (#1294341) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Sorcha Yes, a damned shame. And, yes, paralysis caused many many other internal problems. Mr's cousin is paralyzed just below his lungs and has lots of things all messed up inside. His wife is a saint and I'm sure Chris's was too. |
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11 Oct 04 - 12:48 PM (#1294347) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Clinton Hammond *singing* "I can't stand to fly... I'm not that naive." |
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11 Oct 04 - 12:56 PM (#1294352) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: JennyO Superman - Five for Fighting I can't stand to fly I'm not that naive I'm just out to find The better part of me I'm more than a bird I'm more than a plane I'm more than some pretty face beside a train And it's not easy to be me I wish that I could cry Fall upon my knees Find a way to lie 'Bout a home I'll never see It may sound absurd But don't be naive Even heroes have the right to bleed I may be disturbed But won't you concede Even heroes have the right to dream And it's not easy to be me Up, up and away, away from me Well it's alright You can all sleep sound tonight I'm not crazy or anything I can't stand to fly I'm not that naive Men weren't meant to ride With clouds between their knees I'm only a man in a silly red sheet Digging for kryptonite on this one way street I'm only a man in a funny red sheet Looking for special things inside of me, inside of me Inside of me, yeah inside of me, inside of me I'm only a man in a funny red sheet I'm only a man looking for a dream I'm only a man in a funny red sheet And it's not easy… It's not easy to be me |
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11 Oct 04 - 01:02 PM (#1294359) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: JennyO Clinton, believe it or not, I hadn't seen your post when I went looking for those lyrics and posted them - I was about to go to bed, but I couldn't get the song out of my head and had to come back and open Mudcat again just to do it. Spooky, eh! Jenny |
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11 Oct 04 - 01:10 PM (#1294371) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Clinton Hammond *Singin* "Superman's Song" Tarzan wasn't a ladies' man He'd just come along and scoop 'em up under his arm Like that, quick as a cat in the jungle But Clark Kent, now there was a real gent He would not be caught sittin' around in no Junglescape, dumb as an ape doing nothing [Chorus:] Superman never made any money For saving the world from Solomon Grundy And sometimes I despair the world will never see Another man like him Hey Bob, Supe had a straight job Even though he could have smashed through any bank In the United States, he had the strength, but he would not Folks said his family were all dead Their planet crumbled but Superman, he forced himself To carry on, forget Krypton, and keep going Tarzan was king of the jungle and Lord over all the apes But he could hardly string together four words: "I Tarzan, You Jane." Sometimes when 'Supe' was stopping crimes I'll bet that he was tempted to just quit and turn his back On man, join Tarzan in the forest But he stayed in the city, and kept on changing clothes In dirty old phonebooths till his work was through And nothing to do but go on home -Crash Test Dummies- |
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11 Oct 04 - 03:44 PM (#1294502) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: GUEST,peedeecee Superman was no hero. You can't be heroic and brave when you are invincible and nothing can hurt or harm you. Heroes are those who know they can be hurt and proceed with courage anyway. That was Christopher Reeve. btw, Don Firth - the cause of death was listed as cardiac failure. I've seen no mention of any connection between that and the pressure sore. (Sorry if I'm wrong.) |
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11 Oct 04 - 04:12 PM (#1294519) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Once Famous Guest, peedeecee, I have also seen a few reports this morning that there was a pressure sore involved that led to a serious infection. Don Firth does know what he is talking about on this. |
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11 Oct 04 - 04:38 PM (#1294535) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: GUEST,Jon Quite a remarkable man. I can't even begin to understand how he coped with his disability with such dignity while doing so much for a cause. |
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11 Oct 04 - 04:57 PM (#1294551) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Nerd I always admired Christopher Reeve and am very sad that he's gone. peedeecee: the writers of Superman comics invented the idea of Kryptonite for the very reason you've pointed out. His heroism was empty since he couldn't be hurt. Once they introduced Kryptonite, Superman had many opportunities to prove his heroism by saving people despite the fact that doing so exposed him to kryptonite and endangered his life. |
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11 Oct 04 - 05:38 PM (#1294608) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Jeri From this artical in the Seattle Post: "Reeve died Sunday after developing a serious bloodstream infection from a bedsore, a common problem for paralyzed people. He went into cardiac arrest Saturday at his home in Pound Ridge, N.Y., then fell into a coma, dying the next day at a hospital. His wife, Dana, and other family members were with him."I was always in awe of his honesty and positive outlook. The two things frequently don't go together in many people. Playing Superman was really such a small thing compared to everything he's done since, but I guess it's pop culture, and is what mainstream America associates him with. |
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11 Oct 04 - 06:57 PM (#1294685) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: GUEST,peedeecee Thank you very much for clarifying the information on the pressure sore. |
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11 Oct 04 - 11:28 PM (#1294854) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: katlaughing Don Firth, I remember, when I was trained by an old and old-timey nurse at hospital, how very, very important it was to constantly be on the look-out for bed sores and to treat them immediately. I was shocked when I heard the news about Reeve and the cause. Good for your Nurse Jane for going out on a limb for you. Thanks for sharing with us. Jeri, your last post but one was spot on...he shared his travels with us in a most imcomparable way and we are all the richer for it. I hope his bill passes in Congress. kat |
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12 Oct 04 - 02:06 PM (#1295375) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Clinton Hammond I made my best mate cry last night.... In honour of Chris Reeve, I played The Superman Song by Crash Test Dummies (Lyrics above...) and ended it with a chorus from their song "Won't You Come To My Funeral" and 4 bars of the main theme from the Superman Movies... (Daaaa dada-dadaaaaa daaa daaaa daaaaaa....Daaaa dada-dadaaaaa DA-dadaaaaaaaaaaa..... ) He honestly and for true wept.... It moved me so much I shook for almost half an hour... THAT'S what music is all about! ------ And well, if you think that Supe wasn't subject to hurt, then you don't know JACK about Superman... |
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12 Oct 04 - 02:14 PM (#1295380) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: s6k in the tradition of Clinton, (thanks btw, reminding me of that song, it was on my computer but i forgot about it, its ace) but anyway, in the tradition of Clinton, i will also post here a nice Superman related song, which is a REALLY NICE song, makes me sad to hear it, even more so now, and what great lyrics... I can't stand to fly, I'm not that naive I'm just trying to find the better part of me I'm more than a bird, I'm more than a plane I'm more than some pretty face beside a train, and it's not easy to be me I wish that I could cry, fall upon my knees Find a way to lie about a home I'll never see It may sound absurd, but don't be naive Even heroes have the right to bleed I may be disturbed, but wont you conceive Even heroes have the right to dream, and it's not easy to be me Up ahead, away from me Well it's all right, you can all sleep sound tonight I'm not crazy, or anything I can't stand to fly, I'm not that naive Men weren't meant to ride with clouds between their knees I'm only a man in a silly red sheet, digging for Kryptonite on this one way street Only a man on this one way street looking for special things inside of me I'm only a man looking for a dream I'm only a man in a funny red sheet, and it's not easy It's not easy to be me -Superman By "Five For Fighting" |
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12 Oct 04 - 02:36 PM (#1295393) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Ebbie Wow. Clinton, that post of yours is an excellent example of 'don't tell me- show me. Gave me chills. |
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12 Oct 04 - 02:54 PM (#1295409) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: katlaughing me, too, CH... |
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12 Oct 04 - 03:31 PM (#1295440) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: George Papavgeris Hat off, CH... |
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12 Oct 04 - 03:50 PM (#1295456) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: GUEST,tarheel i never liked him... |
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12 Oct 04 - 05:53 PM (#1295562) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Stilly River Sage Reeve wasn't vastly wealthy, despite all of the films he had made. I remember reading after the horse-riding accident that they had to work hard to align the family finances to adjust their home so he could live in that house, and to make arrangements for the intense physical therapy and to set up the foundation. The fact that he was able to do so much, not just get his business in order, but to go beyond that and raise money for research, that's one hard working individual. SRS |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:21 PM (#1295820) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: JennyO I keep playing both the songs - trying to sing along, but I can't 'cause I'm crying too much. Crying's good sometimes. |
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13 Oct 04 - 01:38 AM (#1295883) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Ebbie That's OK, tar_heel. Wouldn't have expected you to. |
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13 Oct 04 - 04:07 PM (#1296329) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: ToulouseCruise I sang the Crash Test Dummies song last night at an open mic... got quite a response... On a side note, it was written back in 1991, long before his accident in 1995. It served (like the Five for Fighting song) to reflect our superheroes in a more "human" light, and I think it also makes one think that mayber there isn't that much difference between those heroes and the ones we see in our own lives everyday. Brian. |
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13 Oct 04 - 04:46 PM (#1296347) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: GUEST,smiler He was an advocate of stem cell research. Such research, by its very nature will involve paralysing healthy animals in the laboratory. It's all done in secret, so its all right. |
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13 Oct 04 - 05:50 PM (#1296404) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Clinton Hammond " Such research, by its very nature will involve paralysing healthy animals in the laboratory" If it's in the name of helping PEOPLE walk again, -I'll- sign up to be the one who snaps their spines... We kill animals to eat them... how is that any different? It's called the Food Chain... some things die so that others might live... |
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14 Oct 04 - 01:42 PM (#1297039) Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve From: Nigel Parsons Superman's sex life boogie Nigel |