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BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)

16 Nov 04 - 12:32 AM (#1328150)
Subject: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: HuwG

Here is the BBC's article on the proposed ban, which will be announced tomorrow: Click here. This is a government "white paper" only, and will probably not become legislation which applies to England and Wales for a couple of years. Note that the Scottish Assembly has already introduced a ban in Scotland.

It is proposed that smoking will be banned indoors in all cafes, restaurants, pubs, clubs etc. The only establishments exempt from thiw will be private members' clubs (such as Working Mens' Clubs) where the membership votes to allow smoking, and pubs which do not sell "prepared food" i.e. bar meals. In both situations, smoking will not be allowed "in the bar area", which more precisely means "in the serving counter area".

Anyone who has been following my posts will know that since being made redundant as a computer programmer last year, my main source of income has been work behind a bar during evenings and at weekends. I do not smoke, which I find is rare among bar staff. At times the pub (which was built in the nineteenth century and cannot easily be modified so that any one room or bar can be made smoke-free) can become very smoke-laden indeed. Even one or two players at the Monday night music session they host have sometimes objected to the density of the fug.

From the bar staffs' point of view, it is objectionable to have to clean ashtrays which are absolutely heaped with a slurry of cigarette ends, papers, ash and crisp packets and spilled drink; and as for having to dredge dog-ends out of the channel under the stalls in the gents' ...

(I have another complaint, which is that the smokers are apparently allowed one hour off per shift to indulge their habit, while I have to work flat out from start to finish, but that complaint isn't restricted to pubs.)



On the other hand, lack of the freedom to smoke might turn people, especially some of the better instrumentalists, away from pubs and sessions. Some players I know are so well cured that I can foresee them going "cold turkey" in the mid-session. The pub I have referred to above might well stop serving bar meals, and continue to allow smokers to indulge.


16 Nov 04 - 12:33 AM (#1328153)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: chris nightbird childs

It's already been banned here. I say accomodation, not prohibition!


16 Nov 04 - 03:36 AM (#1328271)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Georgiansilver

Speaking as someone in a very small minority...I am allergic to cigarette smoke...the ban would be great for me. I used to smoke heavily until 1991.....stopped totally in one day and developed the allergy about 5yrs later.
Smoking does damage health including other peoples so perhaps it would be for the best to ban it in certain public places.
If you "knowingly" damage health in any other way, what happens????
Best wishes.


16 Nov 04 - 03:42 AM (#1328274)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MBSLynne

A lot of the smokers I know are very considerate and avoid, where possible, inflicting their smoke on people who don't smoke. Unfortunately, the world is full of smokers who aren't like that. It really makes my blood boil to see Mothers bending over babies and toddlers , puffing their smoke into their children's faces. I've never smoked and I loathe it...the smell of stale smoke on heavy smokers makes me feel sick...I'd rather smell BO. I would love to be able to walk around in a smoke free world.

On the other hand, I also have friends who would love to give up smoking and have tried and tried, but can't. It seems a little unfair to expect them to stop smoking almost everywhere. (Though perhaps less people smoking around them might help them to give up) And then there are those who enjoy their smoke..especially with a drink. Perhaps a better idea would be to have a smoke room in pubs the way they used to do. Then those who want to smoke can go in ther and those who don't can go to the other rooms. Everyone should perhps be given a choice...smokers and non-smokers alike?


16 Nov 04 - 03:43 AM (#1328275)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Ellenpoly

YAAAYYYYYYYYY!


16 Nov 04 - 04:39 AM (#1328302)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST

Excellent news it should be a total ban - may seem harsh and not fair to those that smoke BUT it KILLS people.


16 Nov 04 - 05:06 AM (#1328315)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond

I -AM- a smoker, and I say ban it all!

They said it'd kill the movie theatres when they banned smoking there... it didn't...

They said it'd kill bus travel when then banned smoking there... it didn't...

They said it'd kill air travel when they banned smoking there... it didn't...

They said it'd kill sub-way commuting when they banned smoking there... it didn't...

So f#ck it... the only thing smoking kills, banned or not, is people... People DUMB enough to keep smoking...

Tell ya what... you give ME all the money you'll eventually spend on smokes your whole life, and I'll come to your house and beat you to death with a rusty pipe... the end result is the same... Only you won't offend/take with you, as many people my way.

"harsh and not fair to those that smoke"
As a smoker, I say 'f#ck us!'


16 Nov 04 - 05:09 AM (#1328316)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Nigel Parsons

Regarding the ban in Scotland, The Telegraph ran a cartoon showing a group of smokers sheltering in the lee of Hadrian's Wall.

Nigel


16 Nov 04 - 05:51 AM (#1328326)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MBSLynne

Well Clinton...that's probably the best thing I've ever heard you say.

I was trying to be fair, but in my heart of hearts I would love a smoke-free world....and I have too many friends who have died or are dying from smoking related illnesses, not necessarily from smoking themselves. While I wasn't agreeing with a total ban, I will still give a cheer if it comes into being.

Love Lynne



Love Lynne


16 Nov 04 - 06:06 AM (#1328339)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

"Smoking in public" is rather overstating it - there's no suggestion of making it illegal to smoke in most public places, just indoors, and even then there are a fair number of exceptions envisaged.


16 Nov 04 - 06:24 AM (#1328354)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: George Papavgeris

As a smoker - with Clinton all the way.


16 Nov 04 - 06:55 AM (#1328370)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: BanjoRay

It would be great not to have to throw all my clothes in the wash after a pub session, and to wake up without coughing.
Ray


16 Nov 04 - 06:56 AM (#1328371)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dead Horse

Will it still be legal between consenting adults? That's what I want to know!


16 Nov 04 - 07:00 AM (#1328373)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: jacqui.c

Smoking cost me my voice, so I say HOORAY!!
Clinton, you are right on, man!


16 Nov 04 - 07:06 AM (#1328375)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Gervase

Here's another smoker who agrees with Clinton. I've got a filthy addiction and am too weak-willed to kick it without help, and a total ban would certainly help.


16 Nov 04 - 07:07 AM (#1328376)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Hand-Pulled Boy

1. About to start your meal in a restaurant when some ignorant person decides to light up because they've just finished their meal, or in-between courses.
2. The times I get 15 minutes into a set of songs and I start to lose my singing voice because of inhaling too much stale smoke.
3. Wanting to be sociable but having to go outside for fresh air because my eyes are streaming.
4. Putting a full set of clothes into the wash basket after a quick pint in the local pub.

This list could go on and on. The thing is if people want to smoke then that is their business but it shouldn't spoil the enjoyment of others. Why can't they step outside for 5 minutes like they do at supermarkets and hostpitals to name just a couple of places?


16 Nov 04 - 07:17 AM (#1328381)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MBSLynne

But walking down the street behind someone who is smoking and breathing in the smoke wafting back is not pleasant (or healthy) either.

This year in the Middle Bar in Sidmouth, we had signs up politely asking if people would refrain from smoking in the singing. The reason for this was that two of our well-loved members are ill and cannot spend time in smokey places. Everybody was very good about it with the result that the atmosphere in the bar was much pleasanter than usual, singing was easier and a lot of people who usually lose their voices either partly or entirely in the course of the week, didn't.


16 Nov 04 - 08:17 AM (#1328428)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Raggytash

Having just returned from Ireland for the ssecond time since smoking was banned there is April this year I found the bar's to be much more pleasant places to sit than the bar's back home and as I've just started smoking again after an 8 year abstinence I would welcome the ban to be extended to English bar's


16 Nov 04 - 08:33 AM (#1328444)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Stu

Hooray!


16 Nov 04 - 08:44 AM (#1328459)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Essex Girl

The government has stated that smoking WILL be banned in restaurants and cafes and not a moment too soon, but did anybody see an article in the papers a couple of weeks back in which a suggestion was made that pubs would be granted a 'smoking licence' if they could show that their ventilation and smoke extractors were adequate? I have never smoked and cannot stand to be in a smoky atmosphere but I do believe in civil liberty and this would seem to be a solution.


16 Nov 04 - 09:03 AM (#1328478)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: The Beast of Farlington

Is fire-breathing to be banned too?


16 Nov 04 - 09:19 AM (#1328490)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

Good!smokers are all ruffians and ne'er do wells in my experience!


16 Nov 04 - 12:15 PM (#1328742)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond

"suggestion was made that pubs would be granted a 'smoking licence' if they could show that their ventilation and smoke extractors were adequate"

The told us the same lie... don't believe it... Their ruling will be that NO ventilation system will be 'adequate'... SO if you are a pub owner, don't waste the money trying to 'upgrade'...


16 Nov 04 - 12:23 PM (#1328751)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: John Routledge

Lynne - If your post isn't justification for everyone pushing for a smoke free singing environment I don't know what is :0)


16 Nov 04 - 12:25 PM (#1328756)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: John Routledge

If your last post... Sorry.


16 Nov 04 - 12:43 PM (#1328770)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace

People shouldn't smoke around others. That's only polite.

I am a smoker.


16 Nov 04 - 12:49 PM (#1328779)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MMario

I can see a smoke free world - as long as also banned are perfumes, cologne, scented hairspray, incense, "deoderizers" which just mask with a stronger scent; etc etc etc.


16 Nov 04 - 12:54 PM (#1328784)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond

Not even close to the same thing MMario...

I've never seen anyone die from hairspray... or incense...


16 Nov 04 - 01:17 PM (#1328804)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

Thta mikght depend whomakes the decision. If it's the local council, publicans are quite freequently leading councillors.

I'd advise buying shares in snuff-manufacturers.


16 Nov 04 - 01:17 PM (#1328805)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Gervase

MMario has a point, though. There are too many bloody awful ersatz smells in the world, from overdone pot-pouri to room deodorisers and aftershave. One of the better things about leaving London was not having to endure other people's cologne on the tube - I swear some people bathe in the stuff. There are some brands that give me a raging headache, while others merely smell unpleasant.
Basic hygiene should mean that most of us smell bearable, without the need to dose ourselves with industrial quantities of man-made smellies (though, today, I am mainly reeking of diesel after changing the fuel filter on an elderly Land Rover! Come to think of it, I think I prefer diesel to most of what gets sold over the counter...).


16 Nov 04 - 01:31 PM (#1328826)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Frank

This is good news because I like to travel to England, Scotland and Ireland.

I have a mild emphysema from being subjected to tobacco smoke although I never smoked myself. I was injured by others who did.
My rights were denied me to health. Those who smoke don't generally realize the damage they do to others so sometimes it's up to the government to protect citizens from abuse by thoughtless individuals or corporations such as lying tobacco companies.

Hooray for the ban!

Frank


16 Nov 04 - 01:52 PM (#1328847)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

The interesting thing is the way that changes in the law always throw up unpredicted social innovations.

I predict that all kinds of shebeens and smokeasies in the houses of inveterate smokers will spring up. I can imagine a situation in which there'll be places where you can go for a drink and there'll be tobacco or cannabis smoked indifferently, whichever you choose. And probably illegal music sessions into the bargain.


16 Nov 04 - 02:11 PM (#1328861)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: ThreeSheds

McG
Whats a shebeen?


16 Nov 04 - 03:41 PM (#1328994)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Joybell

Bring it on here in Australia too, as fast as possible, I say! Joy


16 Nov 04 - 04:47 PM (#1329074)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: DougR

I was surprised how well the ban on smoking in Pubs in Ireland has been. I spoke to a Publican in Clifden, Connemara, who confessed that he was relieved that the law had been passed. Having to work in a smoke filled space day or night becomes a hazard to one's health, either first or second hand.

DougR


16 Nov 04 - 05:08 PM (#1329090)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

"Shebeen" - an unlicensed (and therefore illegal) drinking place. Originally Irish (of course), but the word migrated to South Africa, and became the common word for such places in Soweto and so forth.

Same as a "speakeasy" really.


16 Nov 04 - 05:36 PM (#1329112)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Ed

As a smoker, I have to say that I have little problem with this.

For sure, I will miss finding myself a quiet pub, and sitting reading the newspapers with a beer and a smoke, for a couple of hours, once a week. I'll get used to that though.

The 'nanny state' style of health policies in general does however concern me.


16 Nov 04 - 07:55 PM (#1329255)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: kendall

That was not Jacqui, it was I.


16 Nov 04 - 07:59 PM (#1329259)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

no it wan't, it was ed!


17 Nov 04 - 03:15 AM (#1329589)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: ossonflags

What concerns - and enrages me - is the duplicity of this government.At one hand putting danger signs on cigarette packets. on the other hand expecting millions of pounds revenue.

If they are relly seriouse about peoples health, why not go the whole hog and ban the sale of tobacco?


17 Nov 04 - 03:37 AM (#1329603)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: treewind

The revenue from tobacco has less value than the nationwide loss of working hours caused by smoking-related disease (mostly bronchitis).

The smoking ban in pubs will apply only if they sell food. There was some twit on the radio last night complaining that publicans who sell food now might have to revert to drink-only establishments or their smoking customers will be driven away by a smoking ban. Has he not noticed that many pubs have already voluntarily banned smoking in their eating area or even totally? Does he think they did that for altruistic reasons? It is a simple commercial decision. Get rid of the smoke and you'll get MORE customers - all the ones who don't smoke, are allergic to it or just don't want to spend the evening getting kippered.

Oh, and noobody yet has brought up one of my favourite quotes on the subject. I don't know who said this first: "A restaurant with a no-smoking area is like a swimming bath with a no-peeing area"

Anahata


17 Nov 04 - 06:17 AM (#1329705)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Hand-Pulled Boy

It's no secret, I can fart loudly! When I do it next to a smoker and they complain I simply say that 'fairs fair', so to speak. The only downside of 2008's smoking ban is that I'll have to stop eating baked beans. So, just 4 year's flatulence left!


17 Nov 04 - 06:26 AM (#1329714)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

NON SMOKERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM PUBLIC PLACES!

    WHY? Because us smokers pay far more indirect tax than you lot, so we should take precedence!


17 Nov 04 - 06:29 AM (#1329716)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

You need to pay more to cover your health care!!


17 Nov 04 - 08:14 AM (#1329794)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Raggytash

Ted ... sweetie ....... fasten your trousers, you're talking through your arse again

We make a choice to purchase something that we know is heavily taxed, there are many related costs to the nation through ill health, loss of production etc etc and the associated costs of treatment is astronomical


17 Nov 04 - 08:19 AM (#1329797)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Smoking is good for you, it puts hares on your chest.
My dad smoked all his life, and he lived to be 52.


17 Nov 04 - 08:19 AM (#1329799)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

I refuse to back down on this point Nicholas (in purple) Non smokers should sling their hooks from pubs, and sit at home knitting lentil vests where they belong.


17 Nov 04 - 08:31 AM (#1329812)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

Why do lentil vests belong at home! I demand equal rights for lentil vests. They should be able to sit in the pub and smoke to their hearts content if they want...

:D


17 Nov 04 - 08:32 AM (#1329813)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MBSLynne

I assume super ted isn't one of the considerate smokers I mentioned before then? He sounds like one of the ones who is determined to make sure we all smoke (by inhaling his second hand stuff) and suffer from the consequent ill-health and possible death because of it.


17 Nov 04 - 08:37 AM (#1329819)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

Smoking epidemic

Health Development Agency


17 Nov 04 - 08:41 AM (#1329823)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: The Beast of Farlington

'Hull Smoking Club Trips Out'

I don't think so.

Hur,hur, hur!


17 Nov 04 - 08:44 AM (#1329827)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

"Real men get cancer" (and so do the people sitting next to them).

Oyright prohibition wouldn't work, it never does. Stopping it in pub where food is on sale seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Nobody is saying people shouldn't smoke tobacco where it doesn't get in the face of other people. I wish they'd bring in a comparable policy on cannabis.

Why it's supposed to take four years to introduce this minor reform seems a bit hard to understand. It didn't take Ireland anything like that, and it won't take Scotalnd that long either. The three toed sloth should be made the national emblem for England...


17 Nov 04 - 09:00 AM (#1329845)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

I wonder if public places will include Asda car parks? I saw a young woman on Saturday take her two small children to the car, which she had dilligently parked in the Mother/Child spot so the children were in no danger crossing the car park. She carefully strapped them in child restraints in the back so they were safe from other drivers. Got in herself, fastened the seat belt, closed the windows and then lit up a cigarette! I couldn't believe it. I was on the point of saying something when I realised that someone who puts the lives of her own children on the line is not likely to be a reasonable person...

Cheers

DtG


17 Nov 04 - 09:01 AM (#1329848)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Raggytash

Ted, I have a right to smoke, people who do not smoke have a right not to be poisoned by my smoke. Fair enoughski by my reckoning

I don't have a problem with standing outside whilst I inflict damage upon myself, it seems to be working OK in Eire


17 Nov 04 - 09:09 AM (#1329857)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

Would love to stop and chew this over with you all, but I have to pop out now to indulge in a spot of fox hunting. TTFN.


17 Nov 04 - 09:13 AM (#1329866)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

"A musician friend of mine has lung cancer. He has played in pubs and clubs for the past 30 years. He is a non-smoker."

A quote from Dr Brian Good in human cost to tobacco


17 Nov 04 - 09:24 AM (#1329875)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MMario

Just to address Clinton's "I've never seen anyone die from hairspray or incense"

I haven't seen anyone die - but I have seen people spend three and four weeks in the hospital from short exposure (under 15 minutes) - I've seen people require medical attention from less then a minutes exposure. It is a major problem for a growing portion of the population.


17 Nov 04 - 09:29 AM (#1329880)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Hand-Pulled Boy

In Ted's defence he does roll his own. Plus he likes harriWatts band. If driving is unsafe by the use of mobile phones and drinking from cans etc., then someone driving whilst sat in a cloud of smoke dropping hot ashes into their laps must also be classed as dangerous. Inhaling carbon monoxide in a confined space is a killer too. I just thought I'd mention that if anyone's got nowt better to do.


17 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM (#1329943)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave Bryant

At one of the pubs which "Travelling Folk" used to sing in there was a notice on the wall which read something like:

When you smoke, the unpleasant waste product of your addiction gets into my lungs, hair, and clothes and also the upholstery and fabric of the room itself. I don't smoke myself, but I am partial to a few pints of beer. I have to admit that my habit also has a waste product. How would you like it if after a few jars, I was to pee all over your hair and clothes ?

This atitude of the landlord did seem to cut down the amount of fug quite considerably, without itseemed damaging his trade or the conviviality of the establishment. Unfortunately the pub has been under new management for some years now and is now a very smoky venue.


17 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM (#1329944)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

J'ai eu assez de vous des hippies mais au lieu de partir dans une colere, je protesterai en signalant seulment en francais!!!!!


17 Nov 04 - 10:38 AM (#1329961)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

I'm not too sure that was actually what the French would recognise as being French.


17 Nov 04 - 10:41 AM (#1329967)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

Your being very polite McGrath - its complete bollocks cholera disappeared years ago.


17 Nov 04 - 10:52 AM (#1329978)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

Etes vous Francais aussi McGrath?


17 Nov 04 - 01:01 PM (#1330112)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts

Amidst all the smoke and confusion, may a mere smoker cite a few facts?

When I buy my rolling tobacco in the UK, the pouch carries warnings in bold black letters on white labels. One warns that tobacco contains benzine. Nasty stuff benzine. The Auschwitz doctors used to kill off their experimental victims with a needle of benzine. Unfortunately, it can be found in petrol and diesel fumes.

The UK National Radiological Ptotection Board ( a government body) has recently issued figures showing that, of every 1,000 cases of lung cancer in the UK, 30 are caused by smoking, 3 by natural radon emissions from the ground and .3 by 'passive smoking'. That suggests that passive smoking is not the dread danger it was thought to be.

Where do the other 900-odd cases come from? Could it be motor vehicle fumes? Are cars going to be banned in the interests of public health? Are those who object to cigarette smoke going to stop driving cars so that we don't have to breathe their deadly benzine?


17 Nov 04 - 01:13 PM (#1330125)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond

"It is a major problem for a growing portion of the population."

Ummm... I find that very hard to believe... besides... a few people getting sick a year hardly compares to the hundreds of thousands of people who die every year from smoking, (direct and 2nd hand)

Nor can one 'tailor' the world for every special case...   So I'm afraid I have no alternative but to dismiss your 'angle', sorry...


17 Nov 04 - 01:20 PM (#1330132)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)

I support the Ban, however if people want to kill themselves with smoking do it somewhere else. However what about these people the drive cars and such like that pollute the athomsphere, which will end up killing everyone.
I would rather has smoke than no Air. but ban it anyway, because I think it's good for you health. which is better your health or your wealth.


17 Nov 04 - 01:29 PM (#1330141)
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From: Dave the Gnome

Are cars going to be banned in the interests of public health? Are those who object to cigarette smoke going to stop driving cars so that we don't have to breathe their deadly benzine?

Not this old chestnut again! Sorry Barrie, it just doesn't work that way. There are thousands, if not millions, of things out there that can kill you. The vast majority we have no control over at all. The next lot, like the infernal combustion engine, we do have some control over but are very difficult to do anything about. Burning of fossil fules will be banned eventualy but at the moment we have no real alternative. Until we do it is a very necessary evil. The remainder of things that can kill you are usualy drug related. These we CAN do something about very simply and very easily - so we do!

Live with it. We will kill people in our cars until a good alternative arrives. We have no excuse at all for killing people simply for our own pleasure!

I used to hand-roll btw - and it is one of the few exceptions I would make! The 'output' is nothing compared to a tailor made. I am also surprised to see that benzine is in there - I thought it was only added to store boughts, along with saltpetre, to make them burn quicker?

Cheers

DtG


17 Nov 04 - 01:48 PM (#1330160)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

Strikes me that people who make a fuss about having to pop outside to smoke, which is the polite thing to do anyway, are just whinging. What's the big deal?

And in any case it looks like there'll still be smoking pubs, so long as they don't serve food. The best pub I know doesn't serve food anyway.


17 Nov 04 - 02:12 PM (#1330186)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts

Dave --- of course cars aren't going to be banned in the interests of health. All I am suggesting is that people who drive them should be the last to criticise smokers, since their wretched, out-of-date smoke machines are doing far more harm.


17 Nov 04 - 02:19 PM (#1330197)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Chris Green

Speaking as a smoker, I actually welcome the ban. I've tried to give up before, but pubs are the one place I find it really, really difficult. Perhaps this'll help me pack it in once and for all!


17 Nov 04 - 02:26 PM (#1330201)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

Any time you feel the urge to smoke is getting too much, just pop down the pub. It should make quitting much more enjoyable.


17 Nov 04 - 02:26 PM (#1330202)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: ard mhacha

It is working in Ireland, no matter what some of the miserable Publicians say, it is a breath of fresh air to enter a Pub and not be met with a stinking smoggy atmosphere, c`mon the rest of the world and take this brave step.


17 Nov 04 - 02:29 PM (#1330205)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Once Famous

I was a two pack a day smoker for a long time until 8 years ago when I completely quit.

My singing voice has never been better.

I wish they would ban it everywhere, especially outside in public places.

There is a favorite beach community I vacation in and it is disgusting to have my fresh air contaminated by smokers.

However, I completely understand that it is a major addiction and people should do whatever they can to get off of cigarettes.


17 Nov 04 - 02:34 PM (#1330207)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Chris Green

McGrath - you're a genius, sir! :)


17 Nov 04 - 02:40 PM (#1330214)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

All I am suggesting is that people who drive them should be the last to criticise smokers, since their wretched, out-of-date smoke machines are doing far more harm.

Sigh...

I keep trying to explain but perhaps it is me not being clear enough. Wretched out-of-date smoke machines they may be but what is the alternative? Give me a good alternative way to travel to every inaccesible corner of the UK carrying boxes of computer equipment and I will give up my car tomorrow. Give me a way of getting 40 kilograms of HP server from Manchester to Cambridge on my own without taking all day and I will take it.

Stopping smokers killing non-smokers is dead easy. Come up with a feasible alternative transport system and you will be the saviour of mankind!

Good luck in your quest for a perfect world;-)

Dave the Gnome


17 Nov 04 - 02:45 PM (#1330224)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond

Cars have killed more people in North America than all the wars in the 20th Century....

Smoking has killed even more than that...

And well, we're likely to simply run out of fossle fuel LONG before we run out of tobacco...

And as stated above, like it or not, the automobile is a necessity for modern life... a cigarette isn't...


17 Nov 04 - 03:31 PM (#1330272)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace

However, it's not about making cars or smoking illegal; rather, it's about smokers going elsewhere to smoke. As a bachelor, I don't smoke in the house, anyway. I go sit outside. If people object, I will smoke inside. Easy. Not a big deal.


17 Nov 04 - 04:29 PM (#1330333)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace

And if they come to where I am and tell me the smoke bothers them, I tell them to take a good walk, because that's the polite thing to do.


17 Nov 04 - 04:36 PM (#1330338)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: chris nightbird childs

Pretty soon no drinking and no talking. Be like the library!


17 Nov 04 - 05:13 PM (#1330378)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Bill D

I grew up in a house full of smoke, and always hated it....In my lifetime I have see things go from cigarette butts and smoke everywhere to seeing CLEAN floors in markets and most bars.

If smoking had never been invented, and some company came along tomorrow and wanted to market this weed you dried, chopped up, wrapped in paper and set alight, then inhaled the smoke....you KNOW what the various health agencies in the developed world would say after testing it. "No way, folks...that stuff is full of poisons!"
The only reason it isn't totally banned now is that they get so many taxes from it, and they don't want all those serious smokers running around having fits and becoming social problems as they try to quit cold turkey!

I wish I was gonna live to see the last tobacco plant chopped up and ritually burned....downwind.


17 Nov 04 - 05:31 PM (#1330395)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond

Every library I've been in for the last 20 years has put that stupid "No talking" rule in the trash where it belongs

:-)


17 Nov 04 - 06:55 PM (#1330481)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

I wish I could find a library that had a bar. Though in a way, I have. Our local Wetherspoon's pub has a wall of old books, some of them pretty good. The only trouble is, you are half way trough something, but when you come back next time, someone has half-inched it.

It's in the non-smoking part too - though the smoke doesn't read the notices.


17 Nov 04 - 07:52 PM (#1330540)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: jacqui.c

Kendall here.
Actually, the saying goes, A smoking section in a public place is like a pissing section in a swimming pool.


17 Nov 04 - 08:04 PM (#1330556)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: John Routledge

As well as tax revenue implications the Brewer's Lobby in the UK is powerful even by US standards.:0)


17 Nov 04 - 08:21 PM (#1330570)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace

There is a bra like that in Edmonton called The Library. It houses a few walls of books and people go there to have a few and read whatever catches their fancy. Does a good business--it's been there for years. (Rather, it was there last time I noticed about five or six years back.)


17 Nov 04 - 08:24 PM (#1330574)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace

I just noticed a typo which the more astute will see immediately. Freud at work I suspect, me having just finished posting to the Naked Older Women thread. Was completely accidental. LOLLOLLOL


17 Nov 04 - 09:27 PM (#1330625)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Joe Offer

I used to love to smoke, and I still crave a cigarette now and then. I gave up ten years ago, and I think I've cheated and had two or three since then.

Smoking has been widely restricted here in California for almost twenty years, and now it's heavily taxed. If it weren't restricted, I don't know if I would have been able to quit. I'm glad the laws restrict it so much.

-Joe Offer-


18 Nov 04 - 02:19 AM (#1330802)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: HuwG

I recall John Cleese (of "Monty Python", "Fawlty Towers" etc) in an advertisement against smoking.

"This is how much ash someone who smokes twenty cigarettes a day makes". (Empties an urn onto a table.) "Of course, not all of them are cremated. Some of them are buried."



Of course, the ill effects of smoking can be freakishly random. My paternal grandfather smoked a pipe almost non-stop, all his adult life. He nearly made it to ninety, still quite hale, before succumbing to something which had nothing to do with smoke inhalation. My father smoked one or two cigarettes a fortnight, and suffered chronic bronchitis for years. If there is one reason I never started smoking, it is childhood memories of being shoulder-charged out of the bathroom doorway on some mornings as my father rushed to cough up the entire contents of his thorax.


My brother stopped smoking entirely when his eldest child (a daughter) was born. Perhaps that's why she became a vegan ?


18 Nov 04 - 02:39 AM (#1330814)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: C-flat

In 2003, the W.H.O. issued figures which said that the biggest killer throughout the world was "Work related accidents"......So why don't they ban work???????


18 Nov 04 - 04:30 AM (#1330880)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

So why don't they ban work???????

Yayyyyy!!! Let's start a campaign:-)


18 Nov 04 - 08:22 AM (#1330985)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MBSLynne

el_punkoid_nouveau also gave up smoking entirely when I was pregnant with our first child. Still can't understand how anyone, no matter how addicted they are, can smoke around their children. Or anyone else's children for that matter.


18 Nov 04 - 08:30 AM (#1330990)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

Good afternoon everyone,
                        Just returned from an excellent days fox hunting. We bagged two of the blighters.Smoking can prove to be awkward whilst on horseback as the tobacco tends fall out of my pipe at full gallop. But yesterday I tried out my new briar, which has a perforated silver top. I stuffed it full of glorious St.Bruno and lit up. You will be pleased to learn that said top was excellent at tobacco retention, and I puffed away peacefully all day.


18 Nov 04 - 09:59 AM (#1331060)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

Keep yer puffs to yerself ST.

I always thought there was something iffy about the bloke on the bruno adds. Not everyone has big bald butch blokes following them round. I do, but I put that down to the fox urine...

:D


18 Nov 04 - 11:04 AM (#1331104)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

http://www.roalddahlfans.com/anthologies/puffcover1.php


18 Nov 04 - 11:17 AM (#1331110)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

Quatre-vingt dix cinq.


18 Nov 04 - 04:08 PM (#1331470)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

Go on then, ted, I'll help you along a bit...

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18 Nov 04 - 04:09 PM (#1331473)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

1100001


18 Nov 04 - 10:22 PM (#1331809)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Gypsy

when i smoked it was outside......only courteous, and sure kept the windows cleaner. Have been a nonsmoker for quite some time, and yes, as well as cigs being outside, so should be perfume! Stuff knocks me right on my can when an overly perfumed patient comes in the office.


18 Nov 04 - 10:31 PM (#1331819)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace

Farts should be banned, too. Especially farts after a few days of beer, pickled eggs and peanuts. That's just my opinion. I don't expect to receive fan mail about this topic.

The thing is, one has to wonder if farts are wet and lumpy. Sometimes it's just too late to tell. Therefore, BAN FARTS.


19 Nov 04 - 03:06 AM (#1332010)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: el_punkoid_nouveau

As MBSL pointed out, I used to smoke. I worked in London at the time that smoking was banned on the Underground - overnight, it became immensely cleaner and more pleasant.

Nobody stopped using it. They (I) had a fag outside before and after the journey.

Nobody has stopped using air travel because they can't smoke.

I have now realised that a) anyone has the right to smoke and harm themselves b) everyone has the right not to smoke and harm themselves and c)every right has a responsibility with it - in the case of smokers, not to harm any one else, and for non-smokers not to preach at smokers!

One of the reasons, however, that I now actually dislike going into pubs is that I come out stinking of stale fag smoke. Another is that I have to breathe other peoples second hand smoke - and farts are preferable, because they rarely last as long.

So I will be happy if it is banned inside pubs etc., but will find the little knots of smokers quite amusing:-)

epn


19 Nov 04 - 03:21 AM (#1332017)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

Bugger! Missed the hundredth post!


19 Nov 04 - 06:46 AM (#1332110)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Hand-Pulled Boy

Are we all agreed that cars should be banned from pubs? They take up too much bar space anyway.


19 Nov 04 - 06:57 AM (#1332121)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

A bear won't smoke in your car and I've never known a car to get a round in.


19 Nov 04 - 07:12 AM (#1332131)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: The Beast of Farlington

Smoking's banned. foxhunting's banned...flamenco is next!

Hur,hur,hur!


19 Nov 04 - 07:42 AM (#1332146)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

I'd like to see the touchy feelys trying to ban bullfighting!


19 Nov 04 - 08:19 AM (#1332186)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: jacqui.c

Bull fighting? you call that a sport? Some nipfart in tight pants comes out with a three foot sword, AFTER his lackeys have weakened the bull with a bunch of spears in his shoulder, then he minces around like a friggin' ballet dancer until the bull is hardly able to stand. Then, with a great show of balls, he plunges the sword into the poor beast's heart. Some sport!
I ALWAYS root for the bull. Sometimes one of them will get lucky and gore the macho asshole.
Fox hunting, bull "fighting" and bear baiting are cruel and way below human beings. Well, the humans who are higher on the evolutionary ladder at least. There is no excuse for such barbaric behaviour.

As Rose said in THE AFRICAN QUEEN, "Nature, Mr. Allnutt, is what we were put on this earth to rise above."

Kendall here, not Jacqui.


19 Nov 04 - 08:51 AM (#1332228)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Super Ted is a champion Bullfighter, he won loads of medals for it.


19 Nov 04 - 08:56 AM (#1332236)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

Sure did jOhn! Haven't fought in the ring since Malaga in 1993, I don't half miss it!


19 Nov 04 - 09:03 AM (#1332242)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

I can never remember the order in which the people appear in the bull ring. Is it Toreador, Matador, Humidor and then Lobster Thermidor???

:D


19 Nov 04 - 09:04 AM (#1332245)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Strollin' Johnny

JacqiC - not into the bull's heart, they insert the sword in the back of the neck and sever the spinal cord (so I'm reliably informed by a colleague who has witnessed this vile spectacle, although I'm sure someone will correct me).

Whatever, it's amongst the basest forms of human activity, and our spineless European Parliament should get off their over-paid fat useless arses and ban it immediately.


19 Nov 04 - 09:10 AM (#1332254)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

Ted - I feel sure you've been in the ring since 1993.

DtG - and then Backdoor

Kendall - "nipfart" like that


19 Nov 04 - 09:14 AM (#1332258)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

DtG
   The correct order is picador, matador, toreador.
johnny,
       you thrust the sword down into the neck and on THROUGH the heart, which sits between the bull's front legs.
       In all my fights I always managed a clean kill through the heart.


19 Nov 04 - 09:21 AM (#1332268)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

As far as banning is concerned they haven't got the balls, they're concerned about upsetting the fighters and the people who take great delight in watching for pleasure - and of course the revenue they make.


19 Nov 04 - 09:24 AM (#1332270)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Strollin' Johnny

Knew you'd put me right Ted (LOL). Did you by any chance puff casually on a Sobranie Black as you delivered the coup-de-grace?


19 Nov 04 - 09:24 AM (#1332272)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

Isn't a picador a small flute?

So, Tommy Steele got it wrong then:-(

Came the parade, all prepared for a mighty fray
Matadors and picadors and toreadors
And who do you think as well?
Trotting right behind them came the little white bull


:D


19 Nov 04 - 09:28 AM (#1332276)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome

And isn't coup-de-grace mowing the lawn?

I am getting very confused here, but what super ted does to his balkans is nobodies business but his own, Johnny...

:D


19 Nov 04 - 09:30 AM (#1332280)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend

"Isn't a picador a small flute?"

NO - its what a bouncer asks you just before he throws you out of a night club.

If you've really been naughty he says "pick a window"

AND if you've really really really been naughty, you dont get a choice


19 Nov 04 - 09:32 AM (#1332282)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Strollin' Johnny

The mind boggles, Dave!


19 Nov 04 - 09:33 AM (#1332286)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Rapparee

1940. The height of the Blitz, London's burning, bombs are still falling, and two fire fighters, black with smoke and dirt, are leaning against a wall, taking a very short rest to catch their breath.

"Ay, mate. I'm dyin' fer one. Got a fag on ya?"
"Now, now, Charlie. Ya knows we can't smoke in public."


19 Nov 04 - 09:37 AM (#1332295)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

I still have a few recordings of my fights on VHS if you want to borrow them and have a proper look at bullfighting. It's not as easy as you would think.


19 Nov 04 - 09:48 PM (#1333067)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Gypsy

I am sure that it isn't, but the fight i was dragged to.........now remember, i used to slaughter beef for a living. So seeing a half grown calf, cut, and panting in the hotter than hot sun, was not my idea of sport. I was grateful when they were FINALLY killed. Just not my idea of sport


20 Nov 04 - 04:56 AM (#1333358)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Ooh-Aah2

I am so glad smoking is banned. When I go back to Britain I might actually be able to go into a pub without coming out stinking of smoke with sore lungs and red eyes.


20 Nov 04 - 06:34 AM (#1333397)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Hand-Pulled Boy

Ted have you still got some beefburgers from 1993? You must have made loads after your fine, brave kill.


20 Nov 04 - 07:55 AM (#1333437)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MBSLynne

Fabric conditioner!!! The smell turns my stomach in the same way that the smell of cigarette smoke does. When my daughter has a sleep-over at a friend's house, I have to wash all her clothes and her hair when she gets back, so strongly does she smell of this awful, synthetically perfumed stuff. Not sure if it's just the cheap ones that stink so strongly or if the mothers who use it, use over-large amounts...perhaps to cover up the smell of something else? I only know that it makes me feel sick.

Love Lynne


21 Nov 04 - 05:08 AM (#1334276)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Terry K

I hate it when you have offered someone a lift in the car and they have to have a last cigarette just before they get in. Don't smokers realise how bad their breath is when they have just put their fag out - and they think they are being thoughtful by not smoking in the car.


21 Nov 04 - 10:43 AM (#1334436)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MBSLynne

I'm sure smokers, even the thoughtful ones, don't really realise how bad they smell.


22 Nov 04 - 04:12 AM (#1335040)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

Dereck,
       Me and my freezer are full of bull!!!


22 Nov 04 - 05:37 AM (#1335091)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Hand-Pulled Boy

Hello Ted, Derrick here. I have no reason to doubt anything you say. You also have magic fingers, where do you keep them when not in use?


22 Nov 04 - 06:59 AM (#1335129)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

I keep them in fox fur mittens.


22 Nov 04 - 08:54 AM (#1335213)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Jim

Do smokers take advice? - I once suggested to a motorist that he put his cig out immediately - "Why? - what's it to you!!! ****?" he replied.

I pointed out that bending his head and face up close to inspect the acid level in his car battery was not a good idea. He still asked why......

Bring on the ban asap - for all our sakes


13 Apr 05 - 06:23 AM (#1459811)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: fi_in_nz

We have just arrived back in the UK and will be here for a year. We've come from New Zealand where smoking in pubs was banned in November last year. The stats have still to be compiled for the first year, but it seems that so far pubs have not been adversely effected and since kids can go into pubs over there the number of people drinking in pubs may actually go up.

We are both folk musicians and have a small baby (3 months). We have had a fabulous time in NZ since the birth of Finley and have continued to attend all the festivals, pub sessions and folk club nights we did before he was born (with him in tow). The folk club in Auckland has been non smoking for many years and is full to capacity (about 100 people) nearly every week; anyone who smokes can have a fag outside in the break.

Since Finley comes with us wherever we go and we won't take him to smoking venues, it looks like our folk life is to be severly curtailed in the UK. This is a crying shame since Finley has been used to music from day one - at 5 days old he'd spent more than half of his life at a folk festival. In fact he seems to be a bit of a fiddle fan. I would love to become more acquainted with the UK folk scene at it's roots in the clubs, but it seems there are no non smoking venues in the area where we will be (Huddersfield). I am sure we are not the only family being kept out of the clubs by the current smoking policy of most pubs and folk clubs.


13 Apr 05 - 08:29 AM (#1459870)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow

fi_in_nz - I think most clubs in my part of the world frown on smoking, so that even if there's no formal ban, people don't smoke - but I live down South, and maybe it's different up North. Still it'd be worth enquiring around.

And the same goes for festival venues, and there are lots of those in your end of the country.


13 Apr 05 - 10:28 AM (#1459981)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST

i doubt they'll try it in hull, evryone hull smokes!


13 Apr 05 - 03:19 PM (#1460254)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

I am a lifelong heavy smoker, and I have no problem with a ban. My legs still work O.K., and I'll go outside for a drag.

Why should I have the right to force others to share my fag?

Don T.


14 Apr 05 - 06:15 AM (#1460834)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne

I'd never share my fags with anyone!They cost four shillings each now you know!


14 Apr 05 - 08:46 AM (#1460946)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Hand-Pulled Boy

There was a time they only cost a tanner like;


14 Apr 05 - 10:38 AM (#1461066)
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sweetfia

I say ban smoking! Sorry Dad.