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17 Nov 98 - 04:37 PM (#45823) Subject: Hey Zhankoye From: M. Kravitz Am looking for a recording by Pete Seeger/Almanac Singers of Hey Zhankoye, sung in English and Yiddish. Anyone know where I can find one? If so, please e-mail at: m_kravitz@venus.nmhu.edu Thanks. |
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17 Nov 98 - 11:37 PM (#45897) Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: HEY, ZHANKOYE! (from Pete Seeger) From: BSeed I used to have a Limelighters recording of the song with two verses in Yiddish, two in English, and I just found in Oak Puplications' The People's Song Book Pete Seeger's version (I had started to try to post it from memory). Here are the verses, alternating the original Yiddish and Seeger's English translations:
HEY, ZHANKOYE!
--seed
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25 Nov 98 - 03:15 PM (#46789) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: M. Kravitz Thanks to everyone for their help with lyrics to Hey Zhankoye. Still looking for an actual recording by Pete Seeger or the Almanac Singers. Anyone with any ideas where one might be found? Thanks for all of your help. |
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25 Nov 98 - 04:14 PM (#46793) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Wally Macnow Pete Seeger didn't record it with The Almanac Singers. He recorded it with The Berries (Sharon Hollander, Lee Cahan, and Irene Vale)in October 1947 for Charter Records. It is included in the 10 CD set "Songs For Political Action" which, by the way, also has the complete recordings of The Almanac Singers. I carry it at www.camsco.com Wally Macnow camsco@camsco.com
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25 Nov 98 - 05:31 PM (#46799) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Pete Peterson Wally-- does the COMPLETE recordings of the Almanac Singers include the "suppressed" album? I have sung sets with anti-war songs from most US wars and Ballad of October 16 is the only antiwar song I know from WWII. Anyway-- I would be interested in purchasing same if affordable. (if you want to reply directly I am lutrine@itw.com) THanks in advance-- Pete |
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27 May 05 - 07:35 AM (#1494139) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Wilfried Schaum Look at Ruth Rubin's Treasury of Jewish Folk Song for the lyrics |
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27 May 05 - 10:29 AM (#1494244) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: GUEST,Paul Burke There's also a version by Burning Bush*- Lucy Skeaping, Merlin Shepherd etc. - really well done. http://www.jewishmusic-jmd.co.uk/websys.php?p=ShowAlbum&CDRef=EUCD1375 *aka The Shtetl Waits |
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05 Apr 09 - 07:33 PM (#2605289) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Jack Campin Does anybody know what really happened in the background to this song? Rubin places it in the 1930s. The placename is Turkish - "soul/life village". Much of the Crimea was Turkish until WW2, during which virtually the whole Turkish population was deported on Stalin's orders to Central Asia with heavy loss of life (very few have ever returned, and those that did are living in slum conditions with no prospect of getting any of the land or housing that the Ukrainians have taken over since). So it looks likely that this Jewish commune was established by Stalin after booting the original occupants out. But I wasn't aware of the deportations starting that early (though such an enormous event must have had antecedents). And there are so few sources on Crimean history in English that it's hard to make any sense of this period - the easily accessible books are written by hard-core CIA ideologues. |
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05 Apr 09 - 07:47 PM (#2605299) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Joe_F In Pete Seeger's collection _The Bells of Rhymney_ (Oak, 1964), the name is spelled Djankoye, and there is a photograph of the place with a sign spelling it Djankoy (also in Cyrillic letters, Dzhankoi). So the initial consonant should be pronounced like the English J. It is not clear why many people leave off the D -- perhaps to make it sound more foreign. As to the extra syllable at the end, perhaps that is the way it was in Yiddish. Seeger gives a different etymology: "comes from two Tatar words, meaning 'Heart of Sheep'." |
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05 Apr 09 - 08:22 PM (#2605327) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Jack Campin Seeger is just wrong. "Sheep" is "koyun", "heart" is "kalb" and so "heart of sheep" would be "koyunkalbi". Pretty unlikely as a placename. In modern Turkish the spelling would be Canköy. The C is pronounced like English J. The second syllable is a diphthong (reflected in the Russian/Ukrainian/Yiddish spelling). For these two words there is very little variation in Turkic languages, and you find them in placenames as far away as the shores of the Arctic Ocean. "Can" has a wide range of meanings - "Coke adds life" was translated into Turkish as "Coca-cola can kanar", which could equally well mean "Coke enlarges the soul". "Darling" is perhaps the most-used meaning for the word, though not semantically central. I suppose "darling village" might be a possible interpretation, like "dear green place" for "Glasgow". |
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06 Apr 09 - 01:48 AM (#2605430) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Joe Offer Do you really think it's Turkish, Jack? In Polish, the word for "thank you" is "Dziekuje" - which is pronounced almost exactly like "Zhankoye."* I would imagine other Slavic languages have a similar term for "thank you." So, I figured "Zhankoye" had something to do with giving thanks. -Joe- *Well, the Polish is "jen-KOY-uh." |
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06 Apr 09 - 06:31 AM (#2605500) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Jack Campin Surely it's more likely that the village's name would include the word for "village" in a language spoken by a large proportion of the population. I have a map I got off the web a few years ago showing the Tatar placenames of the Crimea transliterated into modern Turkish spelling (no idea now where I got it; I was trying to get an idea of Crimean geography as it was around 1500 AD). There are dozens of "-köy"s all over it, as you'd expect in any area settled by people speaking a Turkic language. There is a large "Canköy" on a major crossroads in the north; the same place is"Dzhankoy" in my 1962 Bartholomew atlas. It's the most important crossroads in the entire Crimea, for linking to the Ukraine - the sort of place you'd want to get control of in advance if you were planning a mass deportation programme. So my guess is that Stalin quietly disposed of the local Tatar population somehow and replaced them with Jewish settlers from cities like Kiev and Odessa (the song seems to imply that the settlers were of urban origin), anticipating that they'd help out or at least not interfere when it was time for the deportation trains to roll through. In the event things didn't pan out quite as either Hitler or Stalin expected - there is a bit about the Nazi occupation of the Crimea in Neal Ascherson's book "Black Sea". The Nazi in charge of the campaign had done his racial homework and concluded that the Karaite Jews of the Crimea were completely unrelated to those of Eastern Europe and no threat to the purity of the Aryan race, so there was no need to do anything about them. He eventually got orders from above to annihilate them anyway, but it took a while. Stalin ended up accusing the Tatars of collaboration with the Nazis as a pretext for the deportation, but it looks like the most he could truthfully have accused them of was prudently keeping their heads down - there were no local Nazi-collaborator military units like those in the Baltic or the Balkans. |
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06 Apr 09 - 11:06 AM (#2605640) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: GUEST,Allan S From what I understand the settlement was destroyed/leveled in WW2 not rebuilt any Jews who survived the camps probably left. That last verse not from the origional song. typical of Peoples Songs etc. |
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06 Apr 09 - 02:11 PM (#2605771) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Jack Campin Rubin reports the place was destroyed. Being right on the Nazis' invasion route, you would hardly expect anything different. I doubt many Jews from there were even lucky enough to be sent to a camp. Nazi SOP in the occupied Ukraine was mass executions on the spot. Seeger's version only has the first version in common with Rubin's. Rubin's sounds a lot more plausible as something from the 1930s. As Allan S says, that last verse is obviously about the US and no way could it have been written in the Crimea (if you were going to make an all-men-are-brothers statement then and there, you'd start by naming the ethnicities immediately around you, like Turks, Ukrainians, Russians, Greeks, Gypsies and Circassians - Negroes would not be a group it was much of a challenge to express solidarity with). |
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06 Apr 09 - 08:59 PM (#2606132) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Jack Campin The Wikipedia entry for the place gves a slightly different etymology from what I thought, though still a Turkic one: Dzhankoy. That northern Tatar word for "new" (which I don't know how to encode in HTML) must be a cognate of standard Turkish "yeni". The Wikipedia entry has rather few historical facts, but says Canköy/Dzhankoy got city status in 1926. This article http://www.euronet.nl/users/sota/ctnm.htm dates that as one of the last acts of the autonomous Crimean Soviet government before Stalin clamped down on it. This gives a concise description of the final deportation: Otto Pohl's blog. It is just not believable that the Jewish settlers of around 1930 were reclaiming vacant land. The whole of the Crimea has been settled by agriculturists for thousands of years. Somebody had to have been displaced first before the people in the song could start farming. |
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07 Apr 09 - 01:25 AM (#2606228) Subject: RE: Hey Zhankoye From: Joe Offer Well, I think your interpretation has more credibility than my Slavic guess, Jack. The People's Song Book (1948) says the song was composed in Soviet Crimea, "within the past twenty years" (prior to 1948. "Zhankoye is the railroad station which centralized a whole network of Jewish collective farms in the area." -Joe- |
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07 Apr 09 - 02:41 AM (#2606256) Subject: ADD Version: Hey Zhankoye From: Joe Offer Pete Seeger visited Dzankoy in the Crimea in 1964, and asked about this song, which he had learned some thirty years before. He devotes some ten pages of The Incompleat Folksinger (1972) to his experiences there. Here is his transliteration of the song, along with his literal translation:
HEY DZHANKOYE
Source: The Incompleat Folksinger, Pete Seeger (1972), page 516 The song is also in Seeger's Where Have All the Flowers Gone?, page 121 Note that Seeger's "singable" translation is in the message from BSeed above. Rubin's translation may be closer to the original, but I think I prefer Seeger's "singable" version. -Joe- |
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07 Apr 09 - 03:03 AM (#2606263) Subject: ADD Version: Az Men Fort Kayn Sevastopol From: Joe Offer In A Treasury of Jewish Folksong, page 95, Ruth Rubin says "Az Men Fort Kayn Sevastopol" is a farm song from Jewish settlements in the Crimea of the middle 1920's. Rubin's Yiddish lyrics are the same as Seeger's, but here's her English translation: AZ MEN FORT KAYN SEVASTOPL On the way to Sevastopol, Not too far from Simferopol, There's a railroad station. Why go looking high or low? There's no finer station, no! Than Zhankoye, zhan, zhan, zhan. CHORUS: Hey zhan, hey Zhankoye, hey Zhanvili, hey Zhankoye Hey Zhankoye, zhan, zhan, zhan. Tell me brothers, if you can, Where's Abrasha, where's that man? His tractor's racing like a fan. Aunt Leye is at the reaper. Aunt Beyle is at the thresher, In Zhankoye, zhan, zhan, zhan. Who says Jews can only trade, Eat fat soups and not create, Nor be sturdy workingmen? Enemies can talk like that! Jews! Let's spit right in their eye! Just you look at zhan, zhan, zhan. |
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20 Mar 14 - 07:03 PM (#3611304) Subject: RE: Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye From: GUEST I used to sing this song in English in the mid-1950's in Greenwich Village where all of the folk singers, guitarists, banjo players, etc. used to congregate on Sundays. It was quite a time then. I was dating a guy named Roger Sprung, a great banjo player who also played guitar, fiddle and piano. He went on to become famous in his field. All of the great folk singers of the time would be there. I'm glad to have all of the lyrics to the song since I didn't remember all of them. Thx Sandi Schwartz |
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20 Mar 14 - 08:56 PM (#3611330) Subject: RE: Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye From: Jack Campin I see Wikipedia has an allusion to what happened to the people who were there first: Soviet policies on the peninsula led to widespread starvation in 1921.[citation needed] Food was confiscated for shipment to central Russia, while more than 100,000 Tatars starved to death, and tens of thousands fled to Turkey or Romania.[28] Thousands more were deported or slaughtered during the collectivization in 1928–29.[28] The government campaign led to another famine in 1931–33. No other Soviet nationality suffered the decline imposed on the Crimean Tatars; between 1917 and 1933 half the Crimean Tatar population had been killed or deported.[28] (The rest were deported to Central Asia in the "sweeping" of 18 May 1944). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars The Jewish settlers of the 1920s were Stalin's stooges in a programme of genocide. No way in hell could they not have known what they were doing. This is one song I flatly refuse to take any part in. |
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20 Mar 14 - 09:12 PM (#3611338) Subject: RE: Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye From: Jack Campin Meanwhile, here we go again, from the new rulers of the Crimea (link from that Wikipedia page): http://en.ria.ru/world/20140319/188544777/Crimean-Tatars-Will-Have-to-Vacate-Land--Official.html |
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21 Mar 14 - 08:56 PM (#3611710) Subject: RE: Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye From: GUEST,Art Thieme We sang this in 1961 in the lounge of the Navy Pier campus of the University of Illinois Art |
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19 Aug 15 - 10:46 AM (#3731483) Subject: RE: Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye From: Abby Sale FWIW, to answer the request; from Seeger's pre-blackball (I think) TV show: Seeger This is a fine song, oversung in the Revival. It's time to bring it back for listeners, youngsters under 60 that have never heard it. (And many such songs - when's the last time you sang "Copper Kettle" or "Tell Old Bill?") Great tune but a song of fraud imposed on a people persecuted by official State antisemitism under the tsars, then serious persecution under Stalin. Anything to rid Holy Mother Russia of Jews. With the looming of hopelessness to ever reestablish the homeland, to finally take desperate hope of a substitute homeland. A place of safety and hope for the future (deeply opposed by Jews who could only find hope in the Return.) But safety, prosperity, even vindication! Only to find the locals outraged and world support far less than envisioned. And finally the Nazis. A tragedy. But for the time, joy. Gee. Hiya, folks. |
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25 Dec 21 - 06:43 PM (#4129981) Subject: RE: Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye From: GUEST,Norma J F Harrison My uncle told us Stalin pulled the Jews back from front lines to where Hitler/the Nazis were marching. Does that fit in with the relocation named here? normaha@pacbell.net 15105263968 Berkeley, Ca. USA |
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25 Dec 21 - 11:07 PM (#4129996) Subject: RE: Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye From: GerryM Just hours before seeing this thread rise to the top of Mudcat, I was listening to a recording of Dzhankoye on the Klezmatics 2010 CD, Live at Town Hall. |
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27 Dec 21 - 03:50 AM (#4130088) Subject: RE: Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Jack: Does anybody know what really happened in the background to this song? Rubin places it in the 1930s. The Jewish settlers of the 1920s were Stalin's stooges in a programme of genocide. No way in hell could they not have known what they were doing. One of the songs I was remarking on as 'Stalinist folk' in another thread. And yeah, pretty hard to believe farmer or musician didn't know their own party lines. I have a couple of notes giving it as Alexander Veprik (1899-1958) 'Pale of Settlement' relocation propaganda from the late 1920s. Also, the Nazis did indeed have a Jewish slave labor camp in Djankoye during their occupation. The original (?) title is just the place name, no “Hey.” It was supposedly reissued on one of those 1939 New York Fair – U.S.S.R. shellac singles later bootlegged by Stinson Trading Co. at the start of WWII. Have not managed to track down a copy of either but there are two 1938 Russian releases by “Sara Fibikh” listed on Discogs. The record company, song title, credits &c are all in Cyrillic so forget me posting it here. The American title is also the last track on Ruth Rubin's Jewish Folk Songs, Asch Recordings, A607/A608, also distributed by Stinson Trading Co. |