|
22 Nov 04 - 01:28 PM (#1335437) Subject: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: GUEST Under the 'no comment' banner, from today's Boston Herald (the story is also in online news sources all over the internet): "Outrage over JFK slay video game By Jules Crittenden Monday, November 22, 2004 A British firm seeking to capitalize on the anniversary of President John F. Kennedy's murder today is issuing ``JFK Reloaded,'' a purportedly educational ``docu-game'' that lets players fire the fatal shots from the Texas Book Depository over and over again. The Internet release of the game - $9.99 per download - takes place today, the 41st anniversary of Kennedy's assassination in Dallas, Texas, by Lee Harvey Oswald. A spokesman for the slain president's brother, Massachusetts Sen. Edward M. Kennedy called the game ``despicable.'' Presidential historian G. Calvin MacKenzie of Colby College said, ``Aside from being in incredibly bad taste, the idea of marketing it as an educational tool seems to stretch the notion of education beyond belief.'' The Glasgow-based firm Traffic said ``JFK Reloaded'' would help disprove conspiracy theories about Kennedy's death. Traffic said the game challenges players to recreate the three shots fired at JFK's car from the Texas School Book Depository. Managing director Kirk Ewing said the game would ``stimulate a younger generation of players to take an interest in this fascinating episode of American history.'' ``We've created the game with the belief that Oswald was the only person that fired the shots on that day, although this recreation proves how immensely difficult his task was,'' Ewing said. In a statement, Traffic said it was ``determined to promote the title respectfully,'' given the sensitivity of the subject. Sen. Kennedy's spokesman, David Smith, would not comment on whether the family was taking any action to stop the game's release. ``It's despicable. There's really no further comment,'' Smith said. MacKenzie noted that some games involving historic deaths - allowing players to re-enact major battles - arguably have the legitimate value of teaching strategy and history. But the JFK game crosses the line of decency, he said. ``It is an awful idea. I can't imagine that there is any educational value in this,'' MacKenzie said. ``The Kennedy assassination has been studied for 40 years. There have been scores of books. What could we possibly gain from a video game?'' |
|
22 Nov 04 - 01:54 PM (#1335462) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Stilly River Sage They spoke about this tasteless "game" on Good Morning America today. It looks like you can view a video of the story. We turned it off after we heard just a couple of minutes of it. I hope Caroline sues them to a faretheewell. SRS |
|
22 Nov 04 - 02:00 PM (#1335471) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond I LOVE 'tasteless' games and will support this one in any way I can! -IF- they 'ban' it or sue over it, they will only guarantee that it earns a revered place in Gaming History... like Carmageddon, and Grand Theft Auto.... "Sen. Edward M. Kennedy called the game ``despicable.'' " Coming from a politician, that's rich... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 02:07 PM (#1335478) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Stilly River Sage Coming from the brother of the man whose brains were splattered in downtown Dallas, it's understandable. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 02:33 PM (#1335509) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond So maybe he shouldn't play the game... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 02:41 PM (#1335516) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: GUEST This was an event that traumitized the nation, and ushered in the American era of political assassinations that absolutely freaked me out as a child growing up watching the president being assassinated on TV, then his assassin being assassinated on live TV, the dogs and hoses being unleashed on civil rights demonstrators, bombs blowing up little girls in church... Nope, I don't think we are ready to divorce reality from gaming on these things yet. What next? MLK assassination game? Blow up the three little girls in their Alabama church? Oh, I know. Let's have a game for beheading Americans and Brits... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 02:49 PM (#1335527) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Peace The Wiesenthal Centre for Holocaust Studies said years ago that there was a concentration camp 'game' on the 'net available to school kids. Basically, one accrued points by killing off an ethnic group of one's choice: Muslim, Jewish, Turkish, black, etc. I know they worked hard to get it off the www. Hope the same happens with this. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 02:50 PM (#1335528) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond The games on the shelves right now are MUCH MUCH worse than this silly little thing can ever be... It's just pixles, and electrons, and frame-rates... It's got nothing to do with real life... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 02:51 PM (#1335531) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Fishpicker "Sen. Edward M. Kennedy called the game ``despicable.'' " "Coming from a politician, that's rich..." LOL!!!!!!! FP |
|
22 Nov 04 - 02:57 PM (#1335542) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond "I know they worked hard to get it off the www." Like all things, it's out there if you really want to find it.... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:02 PM (#1335546) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous Clinton, Let's have fun playing a game about the death of some of your family members, OK? |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:06 PM (#1335550) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: GUEST If it's got nothing to do with real life, then why make it a game, and release it on the anniversary of the assassination, claiming it's an educational game? That's just bullshit, Clinton, and you bloody well know it. Like I said, where does it stop? I never suggested censorship Clinton, you did. I am opposed to censorship because of the Clinton Hammonds in this world, who will glorify the awful just to play the chase game of justifying getting their hands on what is forbidden. But I do support ostracization and shaming of these sorts of people. Which I do to any human beings I encounter who engage in this sort of depraved shit. These sorts of sewer rats of civilization can rot there, as far as I'm concerned. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:34 PM (#1335574) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond One of the big changes I made to my copy of Carmageddon was to edit the 'heads' of people I knew and loved over those of the 'peds' in the game who are to be run down... I, and the people involved think it's hilarious! "But I do support ostracization and shaming of these sorts of people" Well, I suspect we'll never be in the same room, so ostracizing me hardly matters... and shaming? You can't shame me for behavior -I- am not ashamed of... You're welcome to your opinion... just don't expect it to affect me... any more than I expect mine to affect you.... "If it's got nothing to do with real life, then why make it a game" Because ANYTHING can be entertainment, depending on how it's presented... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:36 PM (#1335581) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Clinton is right, there are many sick games of this type on the market. I'm not a believer that violence on TV or in literature causes violence, but there is something disturbing about a video game where you are pulling the trigger on another individual. Sure, it is only "pixles, and electrons, and frame-rates" but you are fooling yourself if you think it has "nothing to do with real life". There is a difference between watching violence and participating in it, even if it is only on a monitor. You are no longer an observer, you become a participant. This goes beyond safely getting out agression, there is something wrong here. There are games where the violence is in self-defense as a protection from an agressor, but there is something wrong when a game gets it jollies by assassinating a helpless individual. I am sure psychologists could have a field day with this one. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:37 PM (#1335583) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond "there is something wrong when a game gets it jollies by assassinating a helpless individual" Says who? |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:38 PM (#1335585) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Don't be flip Clinton. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:43 PM (#1335591) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous Hey, it just tells me Clinton's mentality is like a teenager when it comes to this video game crap. I'm sure his tastes in music are about the same. He's probably the oldest one hanging around in a black tee shirt in a comic book store, also. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:46 PM (#1335594) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Hey, I hang around in comic book stores too!!! I'm up there, but I'm not the oldest!!! Frankly, most comic books do not stoop to this level of violence or insensitivity. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:49 PM (#1335599) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond Just goes to show that your powers of perception are as lousy as everything else about you MG... Did ya get that cancer yet? Hopefully it's eating you alive this very minute..... "Don't be flip Clinton." Ron... that was a serious question... says who? I know all kinds of people who play all kids of 'horrible' video games that exibit no violent behaviour in 'real life' at all.... So, who says that there is something wrong with such games? If -YOU- don't like 'em, fine... don't play 'em... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 03:54 PM (#1335607) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: WFDU - Ron Olesko If you must ask - it was the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. Check it out. I could turn the question around on you - who said these games are healthy? Just because YOU know a few people that play them doesn't mean they are safe. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:01 PM (#1335616) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond "Journal of Personality and Social Psychology" A bucket of guess-work in a white lab coat... I have more 'faith' in the 5 day weather forecast.... Video games do not CAUSE violence... Any more than TV does... or movies.... Or Rock 'n' Roll.... Or D&D.... People don't NEED anything exterior to cause violent behavior... People are shitty enough to each other on their own... Whatever... -I- don't really care... Your opinion of it won't stop ME from playing the games I want to... Hummm... Mudcat photos are posted all over the net eh.... Bet I could edit up a Mudcat-ageddon.... That's be funny too |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:05 PM (#1335622) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous Clinton, you're the cancer. So's your guitar playing. What a complete moron you are to endorse violent video games and play them. I can just picture you playing your little Playstation with drool on your chin and pizaa crumbs in your lap. Bang. bang. Oh I shot someone. watch them die. Isn't this fun? I doubt if you are capable of having any real relationship with anyone. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:09 PM (#1335626) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Peace That sick fuck Gargoyle started a thread that asked people to talk about musicians they wish were dead and to include Mudcatters. Some shit just ain't funny, IMO. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:14 PM (#1335634) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond Yer such a child MG... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:14 PM (#1335635) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Okay, so you will obviously dismiss any studies as "guess-work" and cling to your own observation of a few "people" who play these games. I guess the discussion ends right there because you won't bother to listen to anyone but yourself. You are right, people don't NEED anything to cause violent behavior. No one ever claimed that video games were the cause of violence. But there are OTHER studies in addition to the ones I mentioned that show a rise in aggression from people who play these games. This does not mean that everyone who plays will go out and shoot up the neighborhood, but it is not a healthy pastime. You can kid yourself into thinking it is alright, but it is not alright for everyone. Most people can have a few beers without any problems, but for some they become monsters after their first. Violent video games are not HELPING to resolve any of the problems that cause violent behavior. They are not doing anything positive, except making money for someone who is appealing to base instincts and preying on succeptible people. Whatever you do is your own business. I am not trying to stop anyone from playing these games. You can spend your day in front of a gaming console, typing on the internet, becoming a master of your own domain, or writing manifestos from a tar paper shack. Your business. If you ask for an opinion, you should have the courtesy of listening to it and not dismissing it simply because you have your own opinion. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:16 PM (#1335639) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous I love being a child, clinton. It's so much more fun than being an old fucker. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:21 PM (#1335642) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond "so you will obviously dismiss any studies as "guess-work"" Only because my experience with 'psychology' has lead me to the opinion that just about all we really know is that we don't know sh!t... "but it is not alright for everyone." Nothing is... and one can't 'tailor' the world to suit everyone... ------------------------------------------------------------------ MG... once again, your 'voice' is muffled by your butt-cheeks... Continue in your blatherskite all you want... I'm done with you... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:22 PM (#1335645) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: MarkS This game is best ignored. It will return to obscurity sooner if it is. Publicity will just result in more sales than otherwise due to the curiosity factor. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:24 PM (#1335647) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Thanks for sharing YOUR opinion Clinton. We all have them. We also have access to information and finding facts and not relying on our own pre-conceived notions. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:27 PM (#1335651) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Clinton Hammond It's not a preconceived notion Ron... and I never claimed it was anything more than opinion.... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:43 PM (#1335665) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous Clinton cross your legs, please. Your breath is killing me. I'm not done with you, oh king of all arrogance. Deal with it. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:47 PM (#1335673) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Peace Anyway, so this really perverted guy, Gargoyle--who's maybe in Germany now but did or does live in the US--starts a thread that suggests how good a thing it would be for people to post about musicians they wish were dead, and he wanted us to name other Mudcatters we wish were dead. Maybe he'll start his own video game. I mean, how fuckin' sick is THAT? |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:56 PM (#1335684) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous What is this thread called? |
|
22 Nov 04 - 04:58 PM (#1335687) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Peace So I start wondering if HE has played the Assassination Video 'Game' and maybe that's where he got the idea from. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:00 PM (#1335690) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: PoppaGator What a rare treat, to be aligned with Martin G on the same side of an almost-politcal argument! Those nasty-ass sicko violent video games may not *cause* murderous behavior, but they certainly create an environment in which some individuals become more likely to "cross the line" than they otherwise would be. Not unlike the worst of (c)rap "music." |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:02 PM (#1335693) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Dave the Gnome I just saw a documentary - Did you know that JFK was wearing a back brace when he was shot? Apparantly the first shot, through the neck, probably would not have killed him but would have made him fall over. The second shot would not have reached him. The back brace kept him upright and a sitting duck. So it was a back brace that killed him! I must say I tend to agree it is all much ado about nothing. There are millions of people who have died in much worse circumstances. All video games, and films to a certain extent, will emulate the death of someone loved by someone else. The only reason this is reaching the news is that it is offending the sensibilities of people who have an inflated opinion, in my mind, of the respect they should have for JFK. I was only 10 in 1963 but from what I have learned since he did not seem a very nice man anyway! Certainly not to his wife and family. Cheers DtG |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:11 PM (#1335705) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: GUEST I don't see a connection between the games and real life violence, but that also wasn't my point. My point is that some sick mothers are making a shit load of money off the assassination. It's right up there with those hawking 9/11 souvenirs, trading in the ghoulish and depraved sorts of things, in my book. I know people with perverse and depraved interests, like the Clintons of this world, will pay money for this shit, and that the makers of the game created it to make a buck off of them. There are sick suckers born a million a minute, and Clinton and his ilk are the suckers. I agree these sorts of things are best off ignored, as are a few of the posters currently participating in this thread. In fact, I'm sorry I posted this thread at all, because look who it attracted. Shoulda known. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:21 PM (#1335718) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous Hey, I would rather see a video game about JFK banging Marilyn Monroe. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:27 PM (#1335726) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Amergin Maybe they should come up with a game in where you are driving drunk...and your car goes into the water...and you escape the car....but leaving the woman inside with you behind...letting her drown to protect your life. And then see if Senator Kennedy describes it as "despicable". |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:27 PM (#1335728) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Little Hawk Clinton, you almost never fail to meet my expectations. Of course, that goes without saying... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:31 PM (#1335737) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Ed. Totally agree with Dave the gnome on this. Much ado about nothing. It really doesn't deserve wishing cancer on each other, and it's not exactly the first 'sick' video game (if it is that). Try the Suicide Bomber Game, for example (but do remember that you chose to click the link) |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:37 PM (#1335745) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Dave the Gnome Hey, I would rather see a video game about JFK banging Marilyn Monroe. Martin - You are a light in the darkness! :D |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:38 PM (#1335748) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous It takes a real cocksucker to wish cancer on someone. A total cocksucker. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:55 PM (#1335783) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Ebbie "I'm not a believer that violence on TV or in literature causes violen" Ron Olekso It' advertising, wouldn't you say? And if advertising didn't work, millions of dollars in this country alone wouldn't be committed to it. "Hey, it just tells me Clinton's mentality is like a teenager when it comes to this video game crap. I'm sure his tastes in music are about the same. He's probably the oldest one hanging around in a black tee shirt in a comic book store, also." And more. MG Marvin, give it a rest, eh? You, of all people, should know the mentality of your own kettle. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 05:58 PM (#1335790) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Once Famous My name is not Marvin, Eddie. Cut the lecture crap. Back for a repeat in Ebbie's honor: It takes a real cocksucker to wish cancer on someone. A total cocksucker. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 06:08 PM (#1335811) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: GUEST There's only one Marvin, and his name is Hank. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 06:08 PM (#1335812) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: GUEST,Arnie The kill John Lennon game will probably come out on his death anniversary next. Extra points if you go on to kill the other Beatles too. Goona buy it Clinton? |
|
22 Nov 04 - 06:12 PM (#1335820) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Dave the Gnome Q. What would it take to get the Beatles together? A. Two bullets... :D |
|
22 Nov 04 - 07:09 PM (#1335883) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Greg F. Expect they'll have a Margaret Hassan game out to follow.... |
|
22 Nov 04 - 07:10 PM (#1335884) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Shanghaiceltic I read a report last week in one of the on-line newspapers that was covering the siege in Fallujah. An American soldier was reported to have said as he fired his tank's machine guns at a building adjacent to a mosque that the insurgants were 'flying into the air everywhere, it was just like a video game' No connection? |
|
22 Nov 04 - 07:20 PM (#1335888) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Peace Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Just a game. Hey, I'm starting to believe it. |
|
22 Nov 04 - 07:20 PM (#1335889) Subject: RE: BS: JFK Reloaded - Assassination Video Game From: Peace Repeat after me . . . .
-Joe Offer- |