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11 Dec 04 - 09:45 PM (#1354435) Subject: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: GUEST America's Most Wanted is a program that asks viewers to provide information that may help solve a crime. Tonight they ask that anyone who took folklore classes with a fellow student who fits the profile at the University in Wichita in the 1970's to notify the authorities. The killer claims he has always lived near a railroad and has had a lifelong fascination with trains. He has left his own version of "Oh Death" lyrics in relation to one of his victims. He claims to have gone to a military tech school when he was 21. He was born in 1939. He is about 5'10', stocky. For more clues go to the America's Most Wanted web site. You may be able to identify him. If you have information about the identity of the BTK strangler: * Call 383-8273 locally or (866) SOLVBTK, or (866) 765-8285, outside the Wichita area. * Call CrimeStoppers at 267-2111. * E-mail coldcase@wichita.gov. * Write to Cold Case, PO Box 9202, Wichita, KS 67277-0202 |
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11 Dec 04 - 10:16 PM (#1354452) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: wysiwyg Great, but what are the LYRICS????? ~S~ |
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11 Dec 04 - 11:20 PM (#1354474) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: GUEST In August of this year the Wichita police released the words of a poem written by the killer based on "Oh Death". If you or anyone you know attended folklore classes in the early '70's in Wichita and studied the lyrics of "Oh Death" in the class of professor, P.J.Wyatt, the killer may have been a classmate. Grim Poetry - Oh! Death to Nancy On Friday August 20, 2004 Wichita Police released a poem received more than 25 years earlier from the BTK Killer. It was titled, Oh! Death to Nancy -- apparently a reference to Nancy Fox, the woman who police believe was BTK's seventh victim. The poem arrived back in 1978 along with a letter that claimed responsibility for the murders of Shirley Vian and Nancy Fox. Ironically, it was Nancy's murder that brought another big clue -- a 911 recording of BTK phoning in his deadly handiwork. What is this taht (sic) I can see, Cold icy hands taking hold of me, For Death has come, you all can see. Hell has open it,s (sic) gate to trick me. Oh! Death, Oh! Death, can't you spare me, over for another year! I'll stuff your jaws till you can't talk I'll blind (sic) your leg's (sic) till you can't walk I'll tie your hands till you can't make a stand. And finally I'll close your eyes so you can't see I'll bring sexual death unto you for me. Did BTK Take Professor's Class? The grim poem was sent on Feb 10, 1978 -- it had been typewritten then photocopied. The composition is not all BTK's own. He's simply added a few personal embellishments to Oh Death, an old American folk song that was recently repopularized by the film O Brother, Where Art Thou? The poem may now provide a valuable lead because police and FBI profilers have tied it to a new clue. In May 2004, KAKE-TV in Wichita received a letter believed to be from BTK. It featured a "chapter" called P J's. PJ is believed to be Dr. P.J. Wyatt -- an English professor at Wichita State University. Dr. Wyatt used Oh, Death in a folklore class she taught during the 1970s. Wyatt died in 1991, but police still believe she could be a key to BTK's identity. She taught the course roughly nine times between 1964-1977 in Jardine Hall. Wyatt also taught roughly four, two-day workshops at the end of April on American Folklore in what was then known as the Life Science Building. This class was open to the public. Could BTK himself have attended one of Dr. Wyatt's classes? Police are interested in talking to anyone who took Dr. P.J. Wyatt's classes or knows anything about the poem. If you think you have any helpful information let AMW know. http://www.amw.com/fugitives/btkPage.cfm |
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12 Dec 04 - 09:56 AM (#1354660) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Jeri The site has Java Script links, and I can't get to the recording of the 911 call and a couple of other things. Musicians might recognize the voice before they ever recognised anything about the biographical clues. |
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12 Dec 04 - 11:48 AM (#1354741) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: JohnInKansas You can hear the police recording without all the "sign in and get SPAM" at the AMW site at catchbtk.com. The recording is a typical "911" snatch, with lots of background noise and only brief snatches of the "voice." There are numerous websites now dedicated to this case, and "BTK" in google will get quite a lot of stuff. There's even one (or more) Russian language sites that has/have been offering guesses and opinions to the police on a fairly frequent basis. The "poem" was published "back when" BTK was active, and is apparently a mangled "from memory" rendering of a rather obscure folk lyric. At the time, the "original" poem was published, but I have no way of digging it up now. A fairly extensive search was done for people who had taken the prof's class, and most who were still "local" were interviewed at the time. Someone who left the area shortly after taking the class might not have been interviewed, and might have something to add. The description and history that's been published recently are reportedly what BTK says about himself, and may or may not be truthful. As additional info, it has been frequently observed that he has shown quite a lot of familiarity with police methods, so could be a member of the force or just a "follower." ("Close to trains" could even be his code for "close to cop shops." – but don't quote me.) John |
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12 Dec 04 - 11:56 AM (#1354748) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Big Al Whittle Its a little bit like the old Incredible String Band song - see layers of the onion album. Sexual death in 17th metaphysical poetry, death was another term for orgasm I seem to remember. Also in the modern William Empson poem:- Not but they die, the teasers and the dreams anybody studying poetry anywhere might have written this poem, used this metaphor for death. I dunno, its 40 years since I was a literature student. But thats the first thing that occurrs. best of luck |
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12 Dec 04 - 04:38 PM (#1354932) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Alice The reason they are looking for people who took the folklore class in Wichita is because the killer refers to Dr. P.J. Wyatt in writing to the police. P.J. Wyatt taught the class. The professor is now deceased, but they are hoping someone who was in one of the classes may be able to help. |
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12 Dec 04 - 11:29 PM (#1355256) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: JohnInKansas When the "poem" was first connected to BTK, the "original" used by the Prof was published. Although BTK mangled it a bit, it did appear to be an attempt at quoting the same text that had been "read to the class." BTK apparently had no "metaphorical" meaning in mind. He meant, literally, brutal and actual death. The bodies, we're told, were sadistically mutilated. BTK means Bind - Torture - Kill, according to BTK. The connection to the professor, aside from the mangled attempt to quote from the poem, consists only of his use of the initials, "for P. J." or something similar in one of his notes. "P. J." could be a reference to the prof, but it's far from being a verified conclusion. The poem likely connects directly to the professor, as it's unlikely that something that "dark" would come up except in such a class. It's entirely possible that BTK only heard someone who took the class quoting from the poem and remembered his garbled version of part of it. The reference to "P. J." may be a "misdirection," since he seems to have included a number of "false clues" in his hints to the police. Someone who took the class, and remembers quoting the poem elsewhere, especially if someone showed an "interest" in it, would be as likely to be helpful as one who remembers all of the people who took the class. The police interviewed all "accessible" persons who took the professor's classes, when the "poem" first appeared 20 years ago - and took samples from all of the typewriters in the department at the university to see if they could match up one on which his notes might have been written. There were a dozen or so students who were "not available" then, so it's still possible someone might connect something. John |
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13 Dec 04 - 04:48 PM (#1355935) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Big Al Whittle well just trying to be helpful. It does seem to have a certain literary flourish to me. Just a suggestion, have you cross checked internet pages where people publish poetry. Maybe with those initials. like I say, best of luck. I will stop wasting your time. |
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13 Dec 04 - 05:23 PM (#1355970) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: JohnInKansas weelittledrummer - Didn't mean to sound like I didn't appreciate you musings. Just wanted to point out that there has been quite a lot of "history" here that likely didn't make it into the AMW broadcast. The full poem is probably on one of those "BTK" sites, as background info, but there are so many of them now that it's hard to suggest one. When his mangled fragments of the poem were first found, quite a few people "researched" the web and elsewhere without success. It apparently is a rather obscure one. Some one who had attended prof P.J.'s class made the connection, as I recall. The prof was alive then, and confirmed that he had used it in class, but so far as I know it was never told publicly where he got it. For those who may have missed the program: BTK was "active" here about 20 - 25 years ago, then disappeared until about 5 months ago. His "reappearance" took the form of a letter "left for the police" in which he claimed they had "missed one of his killings." He included personal possessions from the victim, and some description of the scene giving pretty certain evidence that he was there. There was speculation, when his "comeback" letter appeared, that he might have "other victims to claim," but no other crimes have been connected to him so far as has been publicly revealed. So far as is known, he has not killed in this area during the time he was "inactive" or since his return. A plausible explanation for his extended absence would be a real help; but so far none of the suggestions have really been supported by police investigation. Recent releases from prisons have been surveyed, on the assumption he may have been in jail for some other offense. Similar "serial murder" cases in other areas have been checked for any evidence he may have been somewhere else, but none have shown any real similarity. Since he's the one who provided the "description" that apparently was included in the AMW broadcast, it should be remembered that he has a history of given police misleading clues. My recollection of the full poem was that it wasn't something I'd try to put to music, but then others can do things I can't. The fragmented quotation from the poem was also sufficiently variant from the original to make me think that, if he was in the prof's class, he probably wasn't one of the best students. John |
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13 Dec 04 - 05:47 PM (#1356000) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: JohnInKansas I guess I should apologize to the prof for calling her a he. When news of the poem came out, there was a long period when the professor's full identity was withheld, on the assumption she might be a target for BTK, and much of my recollection is of news reports that referred to the professor as male. A Google search for "O Death" links the DT, but it may be of some interest for people to see the "local" report. From The Wichita Eagle, 08/20/2004 *** BTK's version (already posted above) Oh! Death to Nancy What is this taht (sic) I can see Cold icy hands taking hold of me for Death has come, you all can see. Hell has open it,s (sic) gate to trick me. Oh! Death, Oh! Death, can't you spare me, over for another year! I'll stuff your jaws till you can't talk I'll blind (sic) your leg's (sic) till you can't walk I'll tie your hands till you can't make a stand. And finally I'll close your eyes so you can't see I'll bring sexual death unto you for me. B.T.K. These are the lyrics, as published on bluegrasslyrics.com: Oh Death Oh, death Oh, death Won't you spare me over til another year Well what is this that I can't see With ice cold hands taking hold of me Well I am death none can excel I'll open the door to heaven or hell Whoa death someone would pray Could you wait to call me til another day The children pray the preacher preached Time and mercy is out of your reach I'll fix your feet til you can't walk I'll lock your jaw til you can't talk I'll close your eyes so you can't see This very hour come and go with me In death I come to take the soul Leave the body and leave it cold To drop the flesh off of the frame The earth and worms both have a claim Oh death Oh death Won't you spare me over til another year My mother came to my bed Place a cold towel upon my head My head is warm my feet are cold Death is a movin upon my soul Oh death how you're treatin me You close my eyes so I can't see Well you're hurtin my body you make me cold You run my life right out of my soul Oh death please consider my age Please don't take me at this stage My wealth is all at your command If you'll remove your icy hands Oh the young the rich or poor All alike to me you know No wealth no land no silver or gold Nothin satisfies my but your soul Oh death Oh death Won't you spare me over til another year Won't you spare me over til another year Won't you spare me over til another year *** The site linked has a link to an mp3 recording on a Penn State website. Note that the above is NOT QUITE the same version published 20 years ago as the one that Prof. Wyat had used in her classes. Her's, as published at the time, was in "old Enlish" with phonetic spellings, at least in part, and very difficult to "scan." The recent report indicates there are numerous recordings now, but they seemed impossible to find 20 years ago. Just lack of culture in Wichita? John |
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13 Dec 04 - 06:00 PM (#1356011) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Q (Frank Staplin) It has been 70 years since this song was first recorded. The fragment of "Oh, Death" quoted here is close to the one sung by Sarah Gunning on her Folk Legacy 1965 album, "A Girl of Constant Sorrow." The only line that differs is the last one, "I'll bring sexual death unto you from me." I don't recall this line in any of the versions that I have; it either came from a recent rewrite or from the killer' himself. The Doc Boggs version in the DT also is very similar. Randolph, in "Ozark Folk Songs," has an extended version under the title "Conversation with Death," collected in 1941: vol. 4, no. 663, pp. 98-99. Randolph says: "A recent "Holy Roller" song, doubtless found in some of the printed songbooks." Its origin, however, has not been established (I haven't checked the threads for comments yet). I don't understand your 'obscure' comment; anyone who is familiar with southern folk music knows it. It has been recorded several times since the first(?) recording in 1934. |
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14 Dec 04 - 05:23 AM (#1356378) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Big Al Whittle well obscure or not - the sexual death - idea or phrase is something I am willing to bet that he felt quite pleased with as a writer. I take your point that we are not dealing with a great writer - more likely an under achiever, sub-literate asshole with a vicious side. However any writer will tell you that ideas don't grow on trees. I should have thought it was worth a quick search of internet poetry sites to see if he's used the phrase again - perhaps somewhere where he revealed more of himself. best wishes |
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14 Dec 04 - 07:30 AM (#1356435) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: GUEST, CRIME WRITER & occasional Mudcat visitor The whole 'obscure folk song' angle with BTK has been dismissed since his other letters quote other folk songs and his 'amde-up' poems echo other American Folk Songs. This issue has been done to death on all the BTK sites. A suspect is in captivity as we speak who fits the profile most professionals establish as opposed to the Arm-chair detectives who admire the creep and wish to promote him as some kinda folkore loving Professor Moriarity of death. In reality, when you look at his crimes, his was/is an obviously very damaged person who trotrued his victims in front of their children and then compulsively masturbated as they were dying or hanging to death. NOT EXACLY A FIGURE TO ADMIRE. The fellow in custody is being subjected to DNA tests, his domiclie has been thoroughly searched and dozens of cartons of eveidence taken away. Case appears to be solved. The entire "oh death" reach-out from the Wichita police is pretty much BS and has filled thousands of pages with conjecture both interesting and totally nonsensical. If they had bothered to ask ONE musicologists before sending out that request, they would have learned that there are substantial populations who learn that song and others he refers to at an early age and somebody of his presumed age knowing it and the other songs he imitates is no great revelation in and of itself. Quite frankly, I'm surprised at mudcatters for even playing along, but then..it was a fiery debate...back in august..when they didn't have a suspect in custody. If you all have some insights, and wish to share, beware....the BTK sites are full of idle conjecture and few of the theories and posts would meet Mudcattter standards for scholarship. Also anything you post here will likely be reposted on the BTK fandom sites. Also, those sites are nastier than Mudcat could ever be on its worst day. Forewarned is fore-armed. Too bad you the Wichita police didn't come here first..could have saved them a lot of chasing their tails. |
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14 Dec 04 - 09:42 AM (#1356557) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: ard mhacha One of the most sinister scenes I have seen in a film was in "O, Brother were art thou", when the Klan had Tommy trussed up for hanging, the hooded Klan chief singing OH,Death was eerie. |
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14 Dec 04 - 11:32 AM (#1356683) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: JohnInKansas GUEST Crime Writer - You're about 3 days late with your sensationalizing of a rather poorly executed raid on the home of an "innocent" man. The police sent something between 20 and 30 SWAT cops out to do surveillance on the poor guys house. The Newspapers and TV got wind of it, through an "anonymous" tip, and publicized it widely. This guy has been cleared of any involvement with BTK. Although they hauled him off, and later trashed his home, the best they could bust him for was a 7 year old "housing code violation" on a rental he used to own. The police have announced that he IS NOT BTK, and is NOT A SUSPECT in anything related to BTK. Although they have now said that they acted on a tip from the BTK hotline, they NEVER told the media, prior to all the publicity, that this was a BTK investigation. The media are now in a frenzy of finger pointing about who should apologize to him. They did make him have a very bad day, before he was released on a trivial bond for the housing code thing. Most likely the police will not send someone out to clean up his home after they trashed it with their "search." As of 09:00 CST 14 DEC 2004 in Wichita, where the release was reported in the newspaper two days ago, the "news" of his release has not been posted at most local web sites. They seem to run at least a week behind the local news; but those with any interest in the investigation can get one local media version of the case at KWCH Wichita Channel 12 BTK. I'll not without additional comment that this is the only one of our several TV broadcasters that has a "BTK Page." I believe that people at the 'cat are probably more interested in the "poem" than in the case, and probably many are amazed that it was not immediately identified. Remember that this all happened in 1979. For all practical purposes, there WAS NO INTERNET so far as the public, at least here, was concerned. I didn't buy my own first computer until 1981, and had no reason to have an internet connection until the early '90s. And "Q," nothing by Vance Randolph was even in the book stores in this area then. If it was in the public libraries, it would have been in a "restricted" section. Most of his stuff is still "special order" and comes in a plain brown wrapper here. The police did consult a "folklorist" in the person of "Professor Dr. P. J. Wyatt," and it took her a week to recognize the fragment and find her own copy of what she had used in class at Wichita State University. Police did not know whether they were looking for a "song" or for a "poem." The fragment is still referred to as "the BTK poem" by most of the "news" people here. Professor Wyatt had presented it as a "poem," not as a song. Her version, published in faxsimile copy then, bore little resemblence to the "music" versions found easily now. It was in "old English" with "phonetic spellings," among the differences I can recall after 25 years. It must also be realized that in the general population in Wichita in that era there were probably more people who could "easily identify" airplane parts found in a field, or pieces of antique tractors, than who had any knowledge of folk music. For those interested in the music and folklore aspects, BTK sent a second poem that is believed to have been an "original composition." Sometime ca. 1979 a burglary was reported at the home of a woman named "Anna." BTK later revealed that he had been in the woman's apartement, waiting for her, but she didn't show up. The poem included in his note about this incident was titled "Oh, Anna," and so far as is known was an original by BTK. If some folklorist could connect it to a known work it might be helpful. I have not found the BTK text posted – but I'm not looking very hard. For those actually interested in the "mystery," remember that most current newscasters and editors were still in grade school, some probably not even born, when all of this happened, and recent stories do not accurately reflect the history as it happened 25 years ago. As suggested by GUEST above, one of the many "BTK sites" would probably be a better place to fill in the blanks. John |
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14 Dec 04 - 03:29 PM (#1356899) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Q (Frank Staplin) John in Kansas, the reason I quoted Randolph was his statement about the song appearing in "Holy Roller" song books. As I remember the Kansas-Oklahoma-Arkansas area, "holy roller" meetings were (are?) not uncommon. Randolph collected the song from one of the members. These meetings attracted bottom feeders as well as the religious. In other words, the song would have been known to a rather large number of people, many of them poorly educated and bigoted in outlook. Anyone have the old recordings by Patton and Lee, or by The Monroe Boys? I wonder how close the words are to the verses quoted above. |
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14 Dec 04 - 04:30 PM (#1356939) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: JohnInKansas The question about why the "song" wasn't located more quickly is sort of a dead issue. What's well known in one community is not necessarily well known in another, and at the time those trying to trace this POEM simply didn't connect with anyone who recognized it. Remember that even when the prof produced it, it was as a poem, not as a song. Recent lyrics, cited here and elsewhere, do NOT reflect what was in the original news. As to the presence of quite a lot of "Holy Rollers" here, that's certainly true, but they'll tell you they don't talk to anybody but GOD. For a try at something similar to what the searchers faced then, try looking for "Oh, Anna" without going to a BTK site. John |
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15 Dec 04 - 01:09 AM (#1357261) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Coyote Breath Fascinating stuff. I wonder where the late professor found the "poem"? I've know of the song for at least forty years but only slightly different words than those in the DT. I kind of like the "folk song" angle to this story. Apart from the monstrosity of the acts and the sickness of BTK, it sounds like a potential spin-off of "Seven". Ard Macha, I found the "O Brother" scene you mention quite creepy too until the Klansmen began their dance, a wierd parody of the changing of the guard scene in "The Wizard of Oz". I'm quite taken by serial killer stories. Having grown up in Wisconsin and having an odd connection to Ed Gien's crimes (the woman killed at the General store in Plainfield worked as an Express agent for my father and my father attended Riverside high school in Milwaukee with Robert Bloch the guy who wrote "Psycho" which HE based, loosely, on the Gien murders) I have been fascinated by serial murderers ever since. I especially enjoy trying to "solve" those which are still unsolved. The Zodiac, for instance. Now BTK! It might turn out to be an interesting winter after all. Tell me more! CB |
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15 Dec 04 - 01:35 AM (#1357270) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Q (Frank Staplin) The possibility that the killer is a "holy roller" intrigues me. What a wonderful way to meet and associate with possible victims. I thought I might try to get a couple of the songbooks for my collection. Went to Abebooks and got 2665 hits for 'gospel songbook.' Now how to high grade- a lot of them are African-American. I knew it wouldn't work, but I added "not African American." That cut it to one, but inexplicably it was one containing the songs sung by African-American troops in WW1, by John Jacob Niles, a rare one. They are asking $40- hmmmmm. (I sidetrack easily) |
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15 Dec 04 - 05:16 AM (#1357345) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: pavane How is 'compulsive' masturbation different from the usual kind? I am puzzled |
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15 Dec 04 - 06:05 AM (#1357381) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Wolfgang How is 'compulsive' masturbation different from the usual kind? The usual kind, even when the urge comes vehemently, can be postponed a tiny bit until the situation is more appropriate. That's why the sight of a male masturbating in a public sauna, in a cinema or in a filled lecture hall is still somewhat rare. Wolfgang |
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15 Dec 04 - 06:12 AM (#1357384) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: wysiwyg (Depends on the cinema) (and the sauna!) Compulsive would also be over and over and over again regardless of "satiation." Or in response to stimuli generally considered not appropriate, like Curly in the Three Stooges being compelled to attack when hearing a certain sound... or like forcing someone to participate in bizarre (violent) rituals for "enough" stimulation... A form of periphelia. ~S~ |
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26 Feb 05 - 09:48 PM (#1421964) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: JohnInKansas A news conference at 10:00 CDT today, 26 FEB 2005, announced that a suspect is in custody, believed to be the BTK killer. Little information has been released, although local TV news had their customary hysteria flit at first reports. The most nearly rational media reports accessible, from the website of one of the three local tv stations: BTK suspect arrested BTK suspect named Chief Williams statement on BTK arrest Facts about BTK suspect Dennis L. Rader For anyone really wanting more: Another local TV site The Other local TV site John |
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27 Jun 05 - 11:45 AM (#1510992) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: JohnInKansas The arraignment hearing for the man accused of being the "BTK Killer" has just concluded. The hearing lasted about 45 minutes and was televised locally, and presumedly in at least some other areas. The accused waived his right to trial, confessed to and entered a plea of guilty to all 10 charges, and gave a step-by-step recital of how he commited each of the crimes. The judge indicated that he will accept the guilty pleas. The accused waived his right to a jury trial on sentencing, specifically leaving it to the judge to decide on whether to apply the Kansas "hard 40" rule. Essentially the only remaining "detail" is that the prosecuter gave notice of the intent to produce "evidence on sentencing," which has been set for fairly soon, although I didn't note the date. No clarification of the intent of the "Oh, Death" poem was given, at least that I heard. The accused's wife has placed the home up for auction in a couple of weeks. At least one "author," who has visited and written letters to the accused since his arrest, has announced the intention to write a book about the accused, because "he's a fine and decent person and a good Christian." It's still Kansas... John |
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27 Jun 05 - 10:49 PM (#1511351) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Q (Frank Staplin) Ho hum. BTK was a piker compared to Robert Pickton, who killed prostitutes and fed them to his pigs on his farm. In British Columbia, they are still recovering more bits for DNA analysis from his farm. Last I heard he was charged with 27 murders and suspected of a total of 70. They haven't provided a list of the buyers of his pigs, but it is unlikely that people outside of southern British Columbia or the Seattle, Washington, area ate any of his well-fed pigs. Pickton Police in Edmonton, Alberta, are looking for the killer of another 26, but haven't found him yet. They are offering a $100,000 reward. |
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28 Jun 05 - 11:04 AM (#1511664) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Willie-O What a strange compelling and horrible story. It appears Rader did in fact attend Wichita State U in the 70's so could have taken the folklore class. I don't see any info on whether he is any kind of a musician. He is a municipal bylaw enforcement officer, which is the kind of job that gives you authority to enter other peoples' property and exert control over them...not that that's wrong, but it's sure interesting. We had the opposite situation here, an unsolved double murder from 1987 in Hopetown Ontario, where the victims were the local building inspector and his "sister", (18 years his senior, and according to local talk, actually his mother. Gothic eh). George Simpson was a rather picky inspector I understand, and there is a rumoured suspect, (never charged), who was angry at him for a failed inspection. As for R.W. Pickton, that's the most disgusting crime--well, it's right up there--and it doesn't look good for him, but he has neither been convicted of or confessed to any murders. Yet. It's beyond tasteless to say one is worse than the other, these are all ghoulish situations that took the lives of innocent, real people. |
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28 Jun 05 - 12:29 PM (#1511738) Subject: RE: 'Oh Death' serial killer, most wanted From: Q (Frank Staplin) Yep, we in Canada can claim to have the pick of the serial killers. DNA evidence from remains on his farm pretty well tie Pickton to the killings. (Make sure you know where your pork is coming from) |