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20 Dec 04 - 04:43 PM (#1361797) Subject: On, Yarmouth is a Pretty Town From: GUEST,Billiam45 'Oh, Yarmouth is a Pretty Town' is included Lucy Broadwood's 'English Traditional Songs and Carols' (p.102). It is a wonderful song with a superb melody. However, only three verses are given. In the notes, she indicates that a full version was given in the Journal of the Folk Song Society vol.iii No.10. My question is, is there any way of getting access to this Journal online? or, if not, does anyone have the missing verses (4 onwards) or is there another source available that gives them? Many thanks if you can help Bill |
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20 Dec 04 - 06:26 PM (#1361899) Subject: RE: On, Yarmouth is a Pretty Town From: GUEST,Elvish raider Try contacting the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library at the English Folk Dance and Song Society. If it's not online, they can always photocopy and send it to you for a fee. (Sorry, don't have the link at the moment) The song was collected from Henry Burstow the Horsham meistersinger. I wonder if Lucy only published 3 verses because the rest were dross? The other alternative, of course, is the possibility that they were not "nice" for singing in polite company, since the book was produced for consumption by the parlour ballad piano playing and recital orientated middle classes of the time ! (:-) I sing the three verses myself, and think the tune is quite appealing. |
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20 Dec 04 - 07:00 PM (#1361940) Subject: RE: On, Yarmouth is a Pretty Town From: Compton I once emailed the librarian at the house with a query, some two months ago and was ignored!!..I obviously wasn't impressed! |
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21 Dec 04 - 01:53 AM (#1362086) Subject: RE: On, Yarmouth is a Pretty Town From: Malcolm Douglas The library gets an enormous amount of enquiries (sometimes very silly ones), and Malcolm Taylor and his two part-time assistants do the best they can in the limited time available to deal with them all. You must just have been unlucky. Material from the Journals isn't available online at present. Because copyright remained with each individual contributor, there are numerous issues that have to be cleared up first; and there is very little money available to fund such things. If more people supported the Society instead of just complaining when it doesn't do what they would like it to, there would be a better income stream and more could be done. EFDSS is in the process of developing its web presence. The VWML has a site in preparation which will give access to indexes of the major MS collections held there, and to the invaluable Roud Folk Song Index. It will also soon be possible to buy publications, and join the Society, online. Finally, the Folk Music Journal (the present-day continuation of the Journal of the Folk Song Society and The Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society) has a new website (independent of the main EFDSS site at last): at the moment this contains only general information. I designed and administer it, but content isn't my decision; you can be sure, though, that I will do whatever I can to help to ensure that the early Journals at least are made available there as soon as possible. The will is there, but it may take time. http://fmj.efdss.org/ Meanwhile (on an "unofficial" basis) I can at least provide the information Bill was after. The two missing verses (which belong between verses 1 and 2 of the Songs and Carols text) were omitted because the genteel target readership may have found them uncomfortable. Bear in mind that this was 1908. They appeared in the Journal, however, which was aimed at a more serious and informed readership. It was early one morning just by the break of day, I went to my love's chamber, and thus to her did say. I kissed her, and I courted her, and I bid her lay warm, She replies, "You are the young man, you will do me no harm." "For to do you any injury, love, I'd think it a scorn, If I stay with you all night, I will marry you in the morn, And before all my officers I will write you a bill." She replied, "You are the young man, do just as you will." Journal of the Folk Song Society, III, issue 10, 1908, p 53. Sung by Henry Burstow, Horsham, Jan 1893. Noted by Lucy Broadwood. |
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21 Dec 04 - 02:38 AM (#1362109) Subject: RE: Oh, Yarmouth is a Pretty Town From: Joe Offer So, do we have lyrics for the rest of "Yarmouth Is a Pretty Town"? In this thread (click) Bruce O seems to make a connection between "Yarmouth" and "Bonny Portmore." Is this a valid ocnnection? -Joe Offer- |
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21 Dec 04 - 03:06 AM (#1362123) Subject: RE: Oh, Yarmouth is a Pretty Town From: Malcolm Douglas It's a big subject, with overlaps between those two and The Streams of Lovely Nancy, The Boys of Kilkenny and many more. Plenty of work still to be done there, as Bruce suggested. Bill has the other verses. He can post them if he likes. I won't have time for a while yet. |
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21 Dec 04 - 04:47 AM (#1362196) Subject: Lyr Add: OH, YARMOUTH IS A PRETTY TOWN From: GUEST,Billiam45 Dear Malcolm and All Once again, I am greatly impressed by the knowledge of Mudcat contributors and will be singing the verses as soon as I have learnt them. As a guest, I am not sure what is meant by 'posting up' but the full version is given below for anyone who wants it. Many thanks Bill Oh Yarmouth is a Pretty Town From Lucy Broadwood, English Traditional Songs and Carols 1. Oh Yarmouth is a Pretty Town And shines where it stands And the more I think on it The more it runs in my mind The more I think on it It makes my heart to grieve At the sign of the 'Angel' Pretty Nancy did live 2. The rout came on Sunday On Monday we marched away The drums they did beat And the music did play Many hearts were rejoicing But my heart was sad To part from my true love What a full heart I had 3. Will you go on board of ship? My love will you try? I'll buy you as fine a seafare As money will buy And whilst I'm on sentry I'll guard you from all foe My love will you go with me? But her answer was no! Repeat first verse Verses between 1 and 2 It was early one morning just by the break of day, I went to my love's chamber, and thus to her did say. I kissed her, and I courted her, and I bid her lay warm, She replies, "You are the young man, you will do me no harm." "For to do you any injury, love, I'd think it a scorn, If I stay with you all night, I will marry you in the morn, And before all my officers I will write you a bill." She replied, "You are the young man, do just as you will." Additional verses from Journal of the Folk Song Society, III, issue 10, 1908, p 53. Sung by Henry Burstow, Horsham, Jan 1893. |