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11 Jan 05 - 11:32 AM (#1376598) Subject: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: John MacKenzie Who'd have thought it, G W Gump proved to have been slandered by a top US TV company. 4 Execs gone and Dan Rather sliding out 'gracefully' Quote "Dan Rather has already apologized for the segment and taken responsibility for his part in the broadcast. He voluntarily moved to set a date to step down from the 'CBS Evening News' in March of 2005.We believe any further action would not be appropriate." So sad ;^) Giok |
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11 Jan 05 - 11:57 AM (#1376626) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Bardford In another media-related story: A Free Press Indeed Bush administration paid columnist to push its agenda Last Updated Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:22:03 EST CBC Arts WASHINGTON - The Bush administration paid Armstrong Williams, a prominent Washington columnist, to promote its education policy, possibly violating U.S. law. Williams has admitted taking money in return for spotlighting the so-called No Child Left Behind education initiative. A number of federal laws prohibit taxpayer money being used to influence public opinion. The story broke in USA Today's weekend edition, which followed a Freedom of Information request. Williams received $240,000 U.S. for his help through a public-relations firm hired by the Education Department. |
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11 Jan 05 - 12:03 PM (#1376631) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Jim Dixon As far as I know, the document that the story was based on was never proved to be fraudulent--it's just that no one can prove it's authentic. Now everyone is acting AS IF it's fraudulent. Why hasn't there been a thorough investigation? If it isn't authentic, then it ought to be possible to expose the perpetrator of the fraud. Are presidents now supposed to be entitled to the benefit of the doubt? |
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11 Jan 05 - 12:22 PM (#1376656) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Peace " Williams received $240,000 U.S. for his help through a public-relations firm hired by the Education Department." Wonder if the IRS has this info? |
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11 Jan 05 - 12:22 PM (#1376657) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Don Firth Exactly so! In a follow-up to the 60-Minutes program, there was an interview with the secretary who typed up the documents. She said that the documents were not the ones she typed, but the information they contained was true! And the story didn't rest entirely on the documents. There were several inteviews, including one in which interviewees who had been in Alabama Air National Guard said that they were expecting the son (little Bush) of a VIP (big Bush) to join their unit. They arranged a welcome, and he never showed up. Also, the fact that he lost his flight status because he didn't show up for a required physical is an established, authentically documented fact. Firing a bunch of people at CBS is smokescreen and a cover-up. According to live interviews given by people who knew him at the time, George W. Bush was an arrogant goldbrick who thought he was above the rules and regulations. Don Firth |
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11 Jan 05 - 12:26 PM (#1376661) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: John MacKenzie Ah Don, how little has changed since then. Giok |
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11 Jan 05 - 12:47 PM (#1376688) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Guy Wolff We got rid of our TV to keep the kids grey cells growing but I am saddened to hear about this.. What a mess. Playing with power brokers is always a dangerous job . All the best , guy |
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11 Jan 05 - 01:18 PM (#1376730) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: GUEST,TIA From a CBS news report during the original fire storm... "[Marian Carr] Knox says she didn't type these memos, but she says she did type ones that contained the same information. "I know that I didn't type them," says Knox. "However, the information in those is correct." Knox says the information in the four memos that CBS obtained is very familiar, but she doesn't believe the memos are authentic." So, from the git-go, no one has actually challenged the CONTENT of the memos. Typical smokescreen. Sheesh. |
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11 Jan 05 - 05:08 PM (#1376964) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Once Famous yeah Jim Dixon fry the guy anyway and then prove he's guilty. Guilty until proven innocent! You sound worse than someone with a Texas mentality. |
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11 Jan 05 - 05:19 PM (#1376976) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: DougR Dan Rather is the one that should have been sacked. And the report stating that there was no evidence of political bias. What a load of horse pucky. DougR |
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12 Jan 05 - 12:40 PM (#1377434) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: saulgoldie Interesting how the Faux network has been campaigning relentlessly for El Shrubbo since almost forever and they haven't seen fit to fire anyone. CBS gets more press than all that fraudulent "fair and balanced" Faux airtime combined for one incident and the rest of the media let this go as proper. The media, INCLUDING even CBS, some quality reporting on 60 Minutes notwithstanding are corporate and not truly given to thoroughly and thoughtfully reporting for an informed electorate that is necessary for a vital democratic process. The response to this incident is overblown and out of proportion, and misses the whole point which is the fact that the media are sugar-coated white bread, when the public needs whole grains, fiber, and naturally occuring fructose. |
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12 Jan 05 - 01:33 PM (#1377484) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Donuel Bush never sought to prove he was a top gun. He has proved that even without soloing he has become a legendary aircraft carrier landing pilot and is a success at removing all evidence regarding leaving the Texas National Guard without permission and ever being seen at any National Guard unit since. CBS is the legendary network that stuck a wooden stake through the heart of the McCarthy era with the now famous editorial reply by Edward J Murrow. In this modern fascist era, Ailes of Fox would have to admit that turn about is fair play. |
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12 Jan 05 - 03:17 PM (#1377578) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: DougR Donuel: there you go again! Bush didn't solo? How, then, did he amass all of those hours in the aircraft he trained in? No one, except possibly you, would contest that he earned the hours. And your last sentence would have been much more believable had you stuck a IMO at the end of it. saulgoldie: you liberals, er pardon ...progressives simply can't abide the fact that there is now a television source that presents both the liberal and conservative point of view can you? After years ...no decades of only hearing a news story bent to the left, it is just unbearable that a story might air that bends to the right. Just one question:which cable news network has the highest ratings? Hint: it isn't CNN. DougR |
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12 Jan 05 - 03:55 PM (#1377617) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: saulgoldie You mean the conservative and the MORE conservative. There is fact, and there is ignoring fact or reporting only the part of it that suits you. The fact is that there is not a lot of REAL news on Faux, and they miss WAY too much of what IS real and important. And there commentary is skewed and narrow. Other major media outlets are not that much better at getting the real and important stories, including CNN. |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:14 PM (#1377634) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: DougR Uh ...if you believe David Corn, Editor of The Nation, Alan Combs, of the Hannity and Combs show, Juan Williams and Mara Liason, of National Public Radio, who appear regularly on Fox Cable news programs, are conservative, then I sure would like to know what media people you consider to be liberal Saulgoldie. DougR |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:15 PM (#1377636) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Bobert The Bushites are only interested in propaganda and misinformation and in spending millions on lawyers and PR folks have finally taken out one of the Bush familiy's Top Ten media enemies and in doing so have let it be known to other media folks that it's Bush's way or the highway. Very clever facist trick... Oh, BTW, Bush still hasn't had to explain why he didn't serve out his duty to the country. Nevermind. I guess that really doesn't matter anymore. No, upon second thought, iy does matter. Especially when I think back to Dan Rather's days of dodging bullets in Nam while frat boy was AWOL, driving drunk, snorting coke and chasing women... Yeah, it matters a lot and I would strongly suggest that anyone here at Mudcat who is concerned about the Bushite's attempt to silence the media and critics to kepp firing letters to the newspapers and their congressfolk. Lets not let Bush win this one 'cause when its gone it ain't comin' back... History is repeat with stories of folks giving up their rights and having to go to war to get 'um back... Bobert |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:25 PM (#1377649) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Once Famous bobert, you are a fascist. Prove to me you are not or shut up. |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:29 PM (#1377650) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC Uh ...if you believe David Corn, Editor of The Nation, Alan Combs, of the Hannity and Combs show, Juan Williams and Mara Liason, of National Public Radio, who appear regularly on Fox Cable news programs, are conservative, then I sure would like to know what media people you consider to be liberal In their roles as talking heads, they are neither conservative nor liberal. They are shills who say whatever they are paid to say. Just like everyone else at Fox, as well as everyone at all of the other major networks and NPR and PBS. |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:31 PM (#1377654) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Once Famous Who pays you Carol C? Oh yeah, your welfare check pays you. Everyone on TV is a liar, right? Why do YOU watch, then? |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:33 PM (#1377655) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: GUEST Martin Gibson, you are a loudmouth, brainless, overweight moron. Prove to me you are not or shut up. |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:35 PM (#1377657) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC Martin, where on earth did you get the idea that I am on welfare? |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:35 PM (#1377659) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: GUEST Who pays you Martin Gibson? Oh yeah, your pimp pays you. Everyone on TV is a liar, right? Why do YOU watch, then? |
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12 Jan 05 - 04:39 PM (#1377663) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC Actually, most of the time I try to avoid watching network news and also watching and listening to the public broadcasting networks. I find blatant propagandizing rather depressing. |
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12 Jan 05 - 07:05 PM (#1377729) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: beardedbruce It seems strange to me that there is far more EVIDENCE for WMD in Iraq than the CBS claims- but I guess we should not mention that... |
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12 Jan 05 - 07:38 PM (#1377745) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC Actually, beardedbruce, there isn't: Oops |
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12 Jan 05 - 07:40 PM (#1377747) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Bobert Define fascist, Martin, without the customary Martin-istic scatilogical/genital analogies... Ah hah! You can't... Didn't think so... I mean, do you have any concept of what fascism is, it's history, it's common elements? Nah, like I said, "didn't think so..." Maybe it's time for ol' Martin to "shut up" on threads where he obviously knows very little or nuthin'... So what do you have to say? Yer regular? Or maybe some real juicy one that you've been holding back... Hey, you haven't done a hemroid one fir a while... Well, whatever, pal... Bring it on... I'm sure it will speak volumes on just how much you know about the subject of fascism... Bobert |
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12 Jan 05 - 07:42 PM (#1377749) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: beardedbruce CarolC, I said MORE, not sufficient. Please read what I write, not what you want to hear. One Amos is enough around here. |
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12 Jan 05 - 07:54 PM (#1377761) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC This is exactly what you said: there is far more EVIDENCE for WMD in Iraq than the CBS claims I did respond to what you said. Since there is zero evidence of any WMD in Iraq, and there is at least some evidence that what the CBS is claiming about Bush's military record is true, you're still wrong. |
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12 Jan 05 - 07:55 PM (#1377765) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Bobert I don't get it, Carol... Like I read bb's post and what I think he is trying to say is that even today, after the Bush adminstration has admited it was wrong on WMD's that there is more chance of them existing (which we now to to hover somewhere between zero and and -5) than the CBS stories about Bush's unexplained absences from fulfilling his National Guard duty. Hmmmmm? I don't think we're gonna need the Wed Ginny Slide Rule fir this one but if bb want's to stick by his story, fine... Of course, when bb paints himself into a corner, as I have learned in the past, he just questions other folks integrity. Same game, different day... Bobert |
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12 Jan 05 - 08:00 PM (#1377770) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC Beats me, Bobert. I don't understand it either. |
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12 Jan 05 - 08:00 PM (#1377771) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: beardedbruce "Since there is zero evidence of any WMD in Iraq, and there is at least some evidence that what the CBS is claiming about Bush's military record is true, " A. Where is the evidence that any of the CBS report is true? B. Where is the eveidence that any of the information presented to the UN by Powell was false? The fact that they DID NOT FIND WMD does not mean that they were not there. If I listen to you, I would have reason to susepect that you possessed accordian(s). If, after giving you 6 months warning, I searched your house and did not find an accordian, would I then say I had no evidence? What about the people who said you had one or more? What about your own claims to play ( difficult without the instrument in question)? What about photographic evidence to the contrary? But I guess you would consider the fact that you had removed them to be PROOF that they did not exist. You claim that without positive proof, we should not have eneterd Iraq- BuUT you make claims against Bush WITHOUT positive proof- seems like hypocracy to me. |
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12 Jan 05 - 08:06 PM (#1377780) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Don Firth Well, BB, there's a small problem with that. It's on the news. Just today the Bush administration has finally admitted that there were no WMDs after all. Of course, they claim they were given "faulty intelligence" and blame it on the CIA--who, incidentally, kept telling them all along that there weren't any. And, also incidentally, kept telling them prior to 9/11 that terrorists were planning some sort of attack on the World Trade Center, but got thoroughly ignored. The best bet is that the "faulty intelligence" works out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. There reside either fools or knaves, take your pick. Don Firth |
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12 Jan 05 - 08:07 PM (#1377781) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: beardedbruce Bobart, What Powell presented to the UN was far more proof than what CBS has to back up the story. Something is more than nothing. seems like even you can figure this one out. |
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12 Jan 05 - 08:12 PM (#1377791) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC I have made no claims against Bush. Other people, who are in a position to know, have made claims against Bush. You didn't respond to what I actually wrote, you responded to what you wanted to hear. That seems like hypocrisy to me. |
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12 Jan 05 - 08:14 PM (#1377794) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC Apparently, what Powell presented to the UN was lies. As some of us have been saying all along. |
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12 Jan 05 - 08:34 PM (#1377812) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Bobert What Powell presented, bearded one, based on the Bush administration's own admission of today, was 100% false. Not 99% false. What don't you get about 100% false... Now as for Bush completing his National Guard duty. Given what CBS, ABC, NBC and every danged media source including Fox has said in the past that there are some unexplained holes in his service. What, have you been in a coma? This ain't friggin' "new business" here, pal... The guy can't prove he did it and lots of folks have said he didn't. He didn't take a physical that he was ordered to take. He was barred from flying anymore because of it. No one has even proved that 100% of what CBS reported was wrong so even if 99% of it was wrong, then that 1% of truth beat's yer 0% every time... Bobert |
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12 Jan 05 - 10:58 PM (#1377903) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: beardedbruce "there is at least some evidence that what the CBS is claiming about Bush's military record is true, " CarolC, I have asked whatr evidence- YOUR claim about what CBS presented about Bush. Bobart: "What Powell presented, bearded one, based on the Bush administration's own admission of today, was 100% false. Not 99% false." The intercepts? The photographs? The British report? ( may have been false information, but the report DID say what he said it did.) "What Powell presented, bearded one, based on the Bush administration's own admission of today, was 100% false. Not 99% false.' Sorry, you lose. Unlike Amos, I DON'T believe that what I want to be true becomes true. I look for some evidence- and you and CBS have failed to show any. Period. |
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12 Jan 05 - 11:21 PM (#1377920) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Bobert No, bb, you lose and any idiot who keeps up with then news knows it! And "period" to you, pal. Believe the earth is flat. Like knock yerseff out... As per usual, your arguments are nothing more than puffery and bluff... Bye. Bobert |
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13 Jan 05 - 12:03 AM (#1377932) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: CarolC beardedbruce, I'm going by what people have said previously in this thread about who said what about Bush and his "service". |
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13 Jan 05 - 12:34 AM (#1377943) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: GUEST BB, read this collection of evidence about GWB's lack of service or, if that's too tough for you, just go ahead and post " but where is the evidence that this stuff is evidence" you blockhead. "Fact is, the Associated Press did the most work on the issue, filing a whole slew of FOIA requests and lawsuits to get the necessary docs. Salon summarized their findings. * Upon being accepted for pilot training, Bush promised to serve with his parent (Texas) Guard unit for five years once he completed his pilot training. But Bush served as a pilot with his parent unit for just two years. * In May 1972 Bush left the Houston Guard base for Alabama. According to Air Force regulations, Bush was supposed to obtain prior authorization before leaving Texas to join a new Guard unit in Alabama. But Bush failed to get the authorization. * In requesting a permanent transfer to a nonflying unit in Alabama in 1972, Bush was supposed to sign an acknowledgment that he received relocation counseling. But no such document exists. * He was supposed to receive a certification of satisfactory participation from his unit. But Bush did not. * He was supposed to sign and give a letter of resignation to his Texas unit commander. But Bush did not. * He was supposed to receive discharge orders from the Texas Air National Guard adjutant general. But Bush did not. * He was supposed to receive new assignment orders for the Air Force Reserves. But Bush did not. * On his transfer request Bush was asked to list his "permanent address." But he wrote down a post office box number for the campaign he was working for on a temporary basis. * On his transfer request Bush was asked to list his Air Force specialty code. But Bush, an F-102 pilot, erroneously wrote the code for an F-89 or F-94 pilot. Both planes had been retired from service at the time. Bush, an officer, made this mistake more than once on the same form. * On May 26, 1972, Lt. Col. Reese Bricken, commander of the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama, informed Bush that a transfer to his nonflying unit would be unsuitable for a fully trained pilot such as he was, and that Bush would not be able to fulfill any of his remaining two years of flight obligation. But Bush pressed on with his transfer request nonetheless. * Bush's transfer request to the 9921st was eventually denied by the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, which meant he was still obligated to attend training sessions one weekend a month with his Texas unit in Houston. But Bush failed to attend weekend drills in May, June, July, August and September. He also failed to request permission to make up those days at the time. * According to Air Force regulations, "[a] member whose attendance record is poor must be closely monitored. When the unexcused absences reach one less than the maximum permitted [sic] he must be counseled and a record made of the counseling. If the member is unavailable he must be advised by personal letter." But there is no record that Bush ever received such counseling, despite the fact that he missed drills for months on end. * Bush's unit was obligated to report in writing to the Personnel Center at Randolph Air Force Base whenever a monthly review of records showed unsatisfactory participation for an officer. But his unit never reported Bush's absenteeism to Randolph Air Force Base. * In July 1972 Bush failed to take a mandatory Guard physical exam, which is a serious offense for a Guard pilot. The move should have prompted the formation of a Flying Evaluation Board to investigation the circumstances surrounding Bush's failure. But no such FEB was convened. * Once Bush was grounded for failing to take a physical, his commanders could have filed a report on why the suspension should be lifted. But Bush's commanders made no such request. * On Sept. 15, 1972, Bush was ordered to report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed, the deputy commander of the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery, Ala., to participate in training on the weekends of Oct. 7-8 and Nov. 4-5, 1972. But there's no evidence Bush ever showed up on those dates. In 2000, Turnipseed told the Boston Globe that Bush did not report for duty. (A self-professed Bush supporter, Turnipseed has since backed off from his categorical claim.) * However, according to the White House-released pay records, which are unsigned, Bush was credited for serving in Montgomery on Oct. 28-29 and Nov. 11-14, 1972. Those makeup dates should have produced a paper trail, including Bush's formal request as well as authorization and supervision documents. But no such documents exist, and the dates he was credited for do not match the dates when the Montgomery unit assembled for drills. * When Guardsmen miss monthly drills, or "unit training assemblies" (UTAs), they are allowed to make them up through substitute service and earn crucial points toward their service record. Drills are worth one point on a weekday and two points on each weekend day. For Bush's substitute service on Nov. 13-14, 1972, he was awarded four points, two for each day. But Nov. 13 and 14 were both weekdays. He should have been awarded two points. * Bush earned six points for service on Jan. 4-6, 1973 -- a Thursday, Friday and Saturday. But he should have earned four points, one each for Thursday and Friday, two for Saturday. * Weekday training was the exception in the Guard. For example, from May 1968 to May 1972, when Bush was in good standing, he was not credited with attending a single weekday UTA. But after 1972, when Bush's absenteeism accelerated, nearly half of his credited UTAs were for weekdays. * To maintain unit cohesiveness, the parameters for substitute service are tightly controlled; drills must be made up within 15 days immediately before, or 30 days immediately after, the originally scheduled drill, according to Guard regulations at the time. But more than half of the substitute service credits Bush received fell outside that clear time frame. In one case, he made up a drill nine weeks in advance. * On Sept. 29, 1972, Bush was formally grounded for failing to take a flight physical. The letter, written by Maj. Gen. Francis Greenlief, chief of the National Guard Bureau, ordered Bush to acknowledge in writing that he had received word of his grounding. But no such written acknowledgment exists. In 2000, Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Boston Globe that Bush couldn't remember if he'd ever been grounded. * Bartlett also told the Boston Globe that Bush didn't undergo a physical while in Alabama because his family doctor was in Houston. But only Air Force flight surgeons can give flight physicals to pilots. * Guard members are required to take a physical exam every 12 months. But Bush's last Guard physical was in May 1971. Bush was formally discharged from the service in November 1974, which means he went without a required physical for 42 months. * Bush's unsatisfactory participation in the fall of 1972 should have prompted the Texas Air National Guard to write to his local draft board and inform the board that Bush had become eligible for the draft. Guard units across the country contacted draft boards every Sept. 15 to update them on the status of local Guard members. Bush's absenteeism should have prompted what's known as a DD Form 44, "Record of Military Status of Registrant."But there is no record of any such document having been sent to Bush's draft board in Houston. * Records released by the White House note that Bush received a military dental exam in Alabama on Jan. 6, 1973. But Bush's request to serve in Alabama covered only September, October and November 1972. Why he would still be serving in Alabama months after that remains unclear. * Each of Bush's numerous substitute service requests should have formed a lengthy paper trail consisting of AF Form 40a's, with the name of the officer who authorized the training in advance, the signature of the officer who supervised the training and Bush's own signature. But no such documents exist. * During his last year with the Texas Air National Guard, Bush missed nearly two-thirds of his mandatory UTAs and made up some of them with substitute service. Guard regulations allowed substitute service only in circumstances that are "beyond the control" of the Guard member. But neither Bush nor the Texas Air National Guard has ever explained what the uncontrollable circumstances were that forced him to miss the majority of his assigned drills in his last year. * Bush supposedly returned to his Houston unit in April 1973 and served two days. But at the end of April, when Bush's Texas commanders had to rate him for their annual report, they wrote that they could not do so: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of this report." * On June 29, 1973, the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver instructed Bush's commanders to get additional information from his Alabama unit, where he had supposedly been training, in order to better evaluate Bush's duty. The ARPC gave Texas a deadline of Aug. 6 to get the information. But Bush's commanders ignored the request. * Bush was credited for attending four days of UTAs with his Texas unit July 16-19, 1973. That was good for eight crucial points. But that's not possible. Guard units hold only two UTAs each month -- one on a Saturday and one on a Sunday. Although Bush may well have made up four days, they should not all have been counted as UTAs, since they occur just twice a month. The other days are known as "Appropriate Duty," or APDY. * On July 30, 1973, Bush, preparing to attend Harvard Business School, signed a statement acknowledging it was his responsibility to find another unit in which to serve out the remaining nine months of his commitment. But Bush never contacted another unit in Massachusetts in which to fulfill his obligation. This Associated Press story also highlights the White House's shifting explanations (er, lies) trying to explain Bush's refusal to meet his obligations. Note, none of this information depends on the CBS memos, but the Right successfully used questions about those memos to obscure the real issue, and that issue -- that Bush was AWOL for large periods of time and failed to fulfill his duty -- remained salient. Congratulations to them -- they successfully defended a deserter who not just failed his duty, but whose actions forced someone else to head to Vietnam in his stead. This from a man who is forcing soldiers that HAVE fulfilled their duty to stay past their obligations to fight his unecessary and incompetently waged war." |
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13 Jan 05 - 12:39 PM (#1378151) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: DougR GUEST: and GWB received an Honorable Discharge from the Texas National Guard because ________________? Oh, yeah, I forgot, he had influential friends. Right. DougR |
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13 Jan 05 - 12:40 PM (#1378154) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Don Firth Clicky. Don Firth |
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13 Jan 05 - 12:44 PM (#1378158) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Once Famous Let's fire more for their bullshit. |
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13 Jan 05 - 12:53 PM (#1378169) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: GUEST,TIA "The fact that they DID NOT FIND WMD does not mean that they were not there" is an argumentum ad ignorantium. Same logic applies to the Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, Bigfoot and Santa Claus. Perhaps Colin Powell should have gotten everyone at the UN to clap their hands and repeat I believe, I believe... |
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13 Jan 05 - 02:29 PM (#1378291) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: DougR Don: I assume you posted that "click" for a purpose right? We are supposed to accept the fact that Bush acted dishonorably because a New York Times contributor said he did, right? Gimme a break. IF the memos CBS had were authentic, they would not have backed off from the story for a minute, and every liberal newspaper in the world would have jumped on it. I don't know whether or not you served in the armed forces or not, but those that did know that Honorable Discharges are not given to those who did not serve honorably. DougR |
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13 Jan 05 - 02:33 PM (#1378299) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: John MacKenzie Well in the litigious society that is the US of A, why doesn't G W Fudd sue these people for libel? Giok |
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13 Jan 05 - 02:35 PM (#1378307) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Once Famous He still might. I would. |
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13 Jan 05 - 10:35 PM (#1378723) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Bobert You go AWOL, too, Martin? Danged... Aww, jus' funnin wid ya... B~ |
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13 Jan 05 - 10:42 PM (#1378729) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: dick greenhaus CBS conducted a purge because they didn't check out faulty intelligence. The Admisnistration has killed thousands because they didn't check out faulty intelligence. I guess all this shows is that we hold the media to higher standards than we do our government. |
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13 Jan 05 - 10:52 PM (#1378736) Subject: RE: BS: CBS in the Poop over Bush Bash Prog From: Bobert Hmmmmmm? Interesting observation, Dick... B~ |