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20 Jan 05 - 12:33 PM (#1383311) Subject: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: wysiwyg I think there aren't very many people here who aren't aware of my faith. But this time I want to the the FIRST one to say, I found the constantly and overtly "Christian" tone of the whole exercise offensively excessive, denominationally skewed, and foolhardy in the extreme. I can't believe they did it! "Christian"??? As Jesus said to at least one fool, "I never knew ye," GWB. ~S~ |
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20 Jan 05 - 12:58 PM (#1383340) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: McGrath of Harlow Appropriate prayers for the occasion "Lord preserve us" and "Good Lord deliver us..." Thank God we don't have that rubbish with Prime Ministers here. |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:05 PM (#1383350) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bunnahabhain We just have a rubbish Prime Minister, who leads Her Majesties Goverment, when she happens to be the head of the Church. And going back to Victoria, we've had non Christian PMs. no wonder people get confused.... |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:17 PM (#1383368) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: M.Ted If it's any consolation to you, Susan, they don't mean a word of it--- |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:19 PM (#1383371) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: McGrath of Harlow I definitely meant the ones in my post. |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:24 PM (#1383383) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Wesley S This is a good time to remember one of my favorite passages of scripture : "And this too shall pass" |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:30 PM (#1383392) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST,Art Thieme But when it "passes", we may have lost so very much by then that the American Constitution will resemble only "Lord Of The Flies". Art Thieme |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:35 PM (#1383397) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Wesley S Don't worry Art. I'm not saying we should roll over and give up. But he can have hope that this will last only four years. "Take it easy but take it" |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:36 PM (#1383398) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa I couldn't watch more than a couple minutes; I felt literally physically ill. It isn't surprising, though. I think Bush truly believes all this stuff, in a born-again sort of way. Teresa |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:50 PM (#1383409) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: just john To steal directly from alt.slack, in a post titled "Bush's Inaugural Bible": "I say it will be hollowed out and contain bearer bonds, a derringer, an inflatable midget with a real orifice and a flask of PGA." (I suspect "PGA" means Pure Grain Alcohol.) |
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20 Jan 05 - 01:53 PM (#1383414) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos I found it stomach turning as well; the announcer who introduced the hymn right after W's airy-fairy speech, "God of our Fathers", could not have been more challenging and assertive about it. The progress of civilization has been set back, the barbarians are in the Rotunda, and that's about the story for today. A |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:15 PM (#1383443) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST Proselytising,patronising,frighteningly naive and proto-fascist. |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:15 PM (#1383444) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST It looked to me like the coronation of a Latin American dictator. No one lining the streets, the armored limosines, the military... |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:20 PM (#1383448) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk You know, Hitler was way more popular with the home constituency that this guy is. Bush is obviously not handling his PR quite right...he is going to need very good security around him, in my opinion. |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:20 PM (#1383449) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa Chilling assessment, Guest. Have to agree. |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:27 PM (#1383457) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: McGrath of Harlow "God of our Fathers"? Would that have been Kipling's Recessional? In which case the verse "Far-called our navies melt away; On dune and headland sinks the fire; Lo, all our pomp of yesterday Is one with Nineveh and Tyre! Judge of the Nations, spare us yet, Lest we forget - lest we forget." would be well worth pondering. |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:27 PM (#1383458) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous A very nice inauguration. I enjoyed hearing it on the radio. I felt fine while you were ill. Can I recommend you take a maalox? |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:47 PM (#1383469) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa Odd thing, but as soon as I turned the TV and radio off, it went away. Teresa |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:48 PM (#1383472) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous But he is still president. He was elected by a majority of American voters. |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:48 PM (#1383473) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick Martin, when someone you loves ends up fighting for their lives in one of the countries that Bush feels compelled to "liberate", I will remind you of this. The speech will cause a massive response from around the world. GWB pretty well told everyone that if they don't have an American style democracy they will be a target. I expect that he will alienate the few allies we have in that part of the world, such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, to run for cover. I think he believes his rhetoric, and that scares the hell out of me. Mick |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:52 PM (#1383476) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa Of course, we know that Saudi Arabia will be the exception that proves the rule. W. has too many irons in the fire with those folks. Teresa |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:53 PM (#1383477) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos There's no question that he believes his own rhetoric. It is why he fabricates so much so readily -- he is out of touch with reality fundamentally. Dangerous dude. A |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:58 PM (#1383481) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: just john If I were a better songwriter, I'd try to pen a catchy "When Do We Start Bombing China?" After all, that nation fills all the stated causes for US liberation: Ws of MD, killing their own people, tyranny ... Okay, they do have a functioning navy, air force and space program, but if we only applied our stated principles on states that were obviously weaker than we are, we'd have to be a bunch of hypocritical bullies. |
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20 Jan 05 - 02:58 PM (#1383482) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Big Mick, I already have a nephew doing so. i'm proud of him. Now what do you want to pretend that you know next? That Saudi Arabia is such a great friend of America? |
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20 Jan 05 - 03:08 PM (#1383490) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST,Mrr Thanks, Susan, yes, it was repulsive. |
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20 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM (#1383493) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST,Clint Keller Well. Martin, as I wrote to Doug yesterday, speakiing of GW's 'mandate' -- Nixon won an election or two. So did Warren Harding. And U S Grant. Huey Long. That dead guy in Missouri that beat Ashcroft. Winning an election doesn't mean you're smart, honest or competent or even alive; it just means you can win elections sometimes. clint |
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20 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM (#1383494) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa Saudi Arabia Wins Dismissal From Sept. 11 Lawsuits I get the feeling there's a lot more to this stuff than meets the eye. Teresa |
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20 Jan 05 - 03:16 PM (#1383497) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick I am sure you are justified in your pride, Martin. I have several kin, and children of friends, who are over there. I am proud that they choose to serve ideals. For what it is worth, many German soldiers felt the same way as they served their Nazi masters. I am not proud of this man's agenda, nor of his methods of achieving it. And for what it's worth, Martin, you can stop the misdirection tactics. You always hide your lack of intellectual depth in your attack tactics. I sincerely hope your nephew makes it home. Mick |
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20 Jan 05 - 04:00 PM (#1383537) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous He's back soon, big Mick. And comparing what's going on today to Nazism is just plain foolish and actually quite ignorant. I don't hide anything, Big Mick. Quite frankly, I don't really consider you to be much of an intellectual either. Your comparison of America to Nazism which has to include the holocaust, is like talking apples and cheeseburgers. Preachy, preachy. |
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20 Jan 05 - 04:07 PM (#1383549) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: just john Now I'm hungry for apples AND cheeseburgers, you rat. |
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20 Jan 05 - 04:09 PM (#1383554) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: robomatic 1) I noticed that W did include OT, NT, and a reference to the Koran, if no quote. wonder how much his right wing constituency liked that? 2) Choice of "God of Our Fathers" to play sounded triumphalist, a sour note in the proceedings. 3) But anyway, they've got ME praying! |
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20 Jan 05 - 04:23 PM (#1383561) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Stilly River Sage Repeat after me: sanctimonious* *holier-than-thou: excessively or hypocritically pious; "a sickening sanctimonious smile" |
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20 Jan 05 - 04:23 PM (#1383563) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: McGrath of Harlow Big Mick pointed out that there have been occasions when decent soldiers have fought in unjust wars for unworthy leaders, and have believed they were doing the right thing, and he used Nazi Germany as a dramatic example of this, and one which noone can dispute. That is not to equate Bush's America and Hitler's Germany, or say that they are similar in all ways, and to pretend that it is is a dishonest way of arguing. There are quite a lot of things that hippopotamuses have in common with other mammals, such as squirrels, but pointing out that does not imply that hippopotamuses burry nuts in the ground and scamper around the treetops. |
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20 Jan 05 - 04:27 PM (#1383566) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Nice backpeddling for big Mick, McGrath. I think he did equate it, as others have here, also. Yes, but female hippos and female squirrels each have tits, I would think. |
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20 Jan 05 - 04:59 PM (#1383608) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos I disagree, Martin; I think the parallels are telling. I think those who are not sensitive to the parallels are candidates for serious reality-adjustments in due course. I hope it doesn't come to that, I am just concerned that the trends are creeping that way. A |
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20 Jan 05 - 04:59 PM (#1383609) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Nipples, actually... It is not necessary to have another Holocaust in order to have fascism. There have been a great many fascist regimes other than Hitler's. Only Hitler's can claim the specific crime of "the Holocaust". I believe that Bush is indeed establishing a fascist regime, and it does not require a re-enactment of the Holocaust in order to meet the basic requirements of fascism. Key elements of fascism: - usurpation of power by demagoguery and fear tactics, if not outright force. - denial of normal civil rights for various people deemed to be enemies of the regime or subversives - frequent use of outright lies in order to get people to support illegal and unwise actions at home and abroad - a fascination with the uses of military and police power to solve most "problems" - consolidation of power in the hands of a "leader" who is surrounded by a small group of yes-men/women - intimidation or control of the media - placing control of the government in the hands of a small, generally rich elite (big business people, usually...military people sometimes) - illegal, usually unprovoked attacks on other countries for gain of strategic resources, territory, or anything else deemed to be of value to the ruling elite - the illusion that one is "saving the World" for a better way of life...in the material sense, the spiritual sense, the social sense. - the illusion that one has "God" (or Truth) on one's side - the encouragement of ultra-patriotism to the point of zenophobia - the creation of "war heroes" to pump up morale at home - the demonization of the "enemy" as inhuman, fanatical, beyond reasoning with, etc...(which is a rather good description of the fascist government itself!) - the conceit that one's one society is composed of the finest people on the surface of the Earth, and the finest social system, of course... Bush's government meets most of the above criteria. So too the governments of Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Joe Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung and his successors, Idi Amin, Ariel Sharon, Muammar Ghadaffi, Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Kohmeini, and any number of other fascists, both capitalist and socialist fascists. What you had in the case of the Iraq war was a fascist superpower(USA), assisted by a fascist major power (UK), attacking a fascist minor power (Iraq), which had formerly been a servant of the aforesaid fascist superpower (USA), but later fell out of favour, having failed to knock off a neighboring fascist minor power (Iran). One thing no fascist power can really tolerate for long is a competing fascist power...they see their own unholy image reflected in the other, and yearn to destroy it. |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:05 PM (#1383621) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick Martin, to use terms that you clearly understand, I don't give a fuck that you think I am a lightweight. My record speaks for itself, as does yours. As McGrath pointed out, and were you a discerning intellect (which clearly you are not), you would have noted that the comparison was designed to show that good people fight for incorrect causes. It was clearly not to compare the country that I fought for, and was wounded for, to Nazi Germany. But I am afraid that you lack the depth to be able to grasp the fine points of that. Mick |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:08 PM (#1383623) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: McGrath of Harlow Male sqirrels and male hippos have tits as well. Just not functional. That goes for Adolf Hitler and George Bush as well, but it doesn't imply that they are identical in other respects. |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:11 PM (#1383627) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk No, they have NIPPLES! :-) Bush isn't chubby enough to be accused of having "tits", in my opinion. |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:14 PM (#1383629) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Peace ιȫ²¿ÔÚ·¿ég¡£ |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:16 PM (#1383632) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bill D I take it no one is particularly surprised that they were even more overtly narrow, fundimentalist and "denominationally skewed" 'Christian' than before? I don't know how to approach it all....fundamentalist, narrow-minded Muslims are controlling issues in parts of the world, and having Christians with the same general "we are right and everyone else is wrong" attitude running THIS country seems like a recipe for a train wreck. |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:21 PM (#1383638) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Stilly River Sage (o) (o) |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:23 PM (#1383640) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous big Mick, obviously you are angry because your points are just not clearly made, though you think they are. Do you want a top hat and cane for your Nazi tap dance? And what record are you referring to? One on Capitol, Columbia, or Decca? Amos, it just your shorts that are creeping, not the trends. Unless, of course you think your creeping shorts are trendy. |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:24 PM (#1383641) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Fascism always seeks to divide (and conquer). The best way to divide is to push people's identities into extreme opposite positions, and then set them against one another. Fascism is a $ySStem that MUST always have an enemy, in order to justify its high military spending and need for war. When the Cold War ended, a new international enemy had to be found. So...the "Muslim fanatic", a vital former US ally in the breaking up of the Soviet Empire, became the new enemy of choice in Washington, and that suited Israel's desires to a "T". It was an enemy perfectly calculated to strike fear in the hearts of Americans, and encourage them to assist in the building of an authoritarian regime on a world crusade in search of OIL...and WAR. They who live by military spending must always have either a war...or the imminent threat of one. Otherwise, they stand to lose their favoured position. The best war is one that never really ends, for such people. |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:25 PM (#1383643) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk WHOA! Impressive pecs there, Stilly... |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:26 PM (#1383645) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bobert I didn't hear the speech, WYSusan, but I can purdy much tell ya what he said: absolutely nuthin' beyond alot of liberty, freedom and God... But really nuthin'...I'm sure it was just a big ol' PR speech, with buzz words that had be tested on a test audience... Liberty and freedcom swwm to be the Bushites favorites. They haven't a clue what these words mean but sure know that if they use them enough with their other lies then folks seem to believe the lies. I suspect we'll also be hearing a lot more "personal responsibility" and "personal ownership" tied to libert, freedom and God over the next year as the neocons work as hard as they can to get folks to nod in approval of getting a good ol' fashion screwing from Biss Hog over privitatizing Social Security which has been one of Boss Hog's most hated programs foing back over 6 decades... Yeah, they're going to pull out all the buzz words to garnish their BIG LIE about Social Security, and invading Iran and Syria... Repulsive but worse than that, a sad commentary on the intellegence of the average American... Bobert |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:27 PM (#1383646) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Peace ιȫ²¿ÔÚ·¿ég¡£ |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:31 PM (#1383647) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Brucie, wenn Sie tuender nicht Anschlag, daß ich eine Gruppe der Angriff Hamster zu Alberta schicken werde. Sie finden Sie. Sie werden zum Tod abgenagt. Betrachten Sie Ihre Vorgehensweise sorgfältig. |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:33 PM (#1383653) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick Attaboy Martin. When all else fails, just try to shift and see if you can upset someone. Same tactic you have used from the beginning. When you don't understand, or have no arguments, attack. You are so easy. Mick |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:43 PM (#1383670) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick Damn, Maggie!!! I love that!! What's yer sign? :^)All the best, Mick |
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20 Jan 05 - 05:52 PM (#1383679) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Martin, let me know when you have found a couple of spare IQ points to rub together and can come up with anything more coherent than a startled hiss. A |
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20 Jan 05 - 06:17 PM (#1383697) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Greg F. Don't matter a damn if Dumba believes the 'christian' crap he spouts. The brain-dead AUDIENCE he's speaking to believes it body & soul- and that's the troubling and frightening part. Jalapeño, Brother ! |
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20 Jan 05 - 06:59 PM (#1383725) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Don Firth Mussolini's fascist state was established a decade before Hitler came to power and served as a model for him. In essence, Mussolini invented the modern fascism, so one can assume that he knew what he was talking about in the following quotes. Note the first in particular:— "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."Fascism does not require racism. That was a variation of Hitler's. But both took control of the press. "Another weapon I discovered early was the power of the printed word to sway souls to me. The newspaper was soon my gun, my flag - a thing with a soul that could mirror my own." --Adolf HitlerAnd then, "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.Respectfully submitted for your consideration. Don Firth |
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20 Jan 05 - 08:27 PM (#1383789) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST Now we are REALLY screwed. I just heard George "why I love the feudal system" Will say the same thing I said above about the shrub coronation, only instead of my "coronation of a Latin American dictator" analogy, he said it looked like an inauguration worthy of a "banana republic". He then went on to say that if this is what our post- 9/11 inaugurations are going to look like from now on, we should probably skip the pomp and circumstance. |
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20 Jan 05 - 08:29 PM (#1383790) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Good stuff, Don. |
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20 Jan 05 - 08:42 PM (#1383799) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Peace Thank you for that, Don. |
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20 Jan 05 - 08:44 PM (#1383801) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick This is why he is one of the best of the Mudcatters. Mick |
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20 Jan 05 - 09:39 PM (#1383836) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST Inaugural Schedule 6-9 AM: Citizens along the parade route are interrogated and strip searched. 10 AM: Attorney General John Ashcroft leads the Abu Ghraib Tabernacle Choir in "Onward Christian Soldiers." 10:30 AM: Colin Powell interrogated and strip searched. 11 AM: All Iraqi election officials granted asylum, interrogated and strip searched. Noon: Dick Cheney sworn in, exorcised. 1 PM: Grand jury investigating Tom DeLay sent to Guantanamo for questioning. 2 PM: U.S. Poet Laureate reads "Oh Captain, My Captain," specially rewritten as a tribute to Ken Lay. 3 PM: The "Getting Tough on Corporate Crime" float, featuring Martha Stewart in stocks, passes reviewing stand. 4 PM: Bush takes oath, gives speech, "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do to You, When the Only Thing You Have to Fear is Your Country, Itself." 5-Midnight: Pharmaceutical Industry Soiree, Energy Industry Banquet, Insurance Companies Gala, U. S. Chamber of Commerce Bacchanal. ____________________________________ Courtesy Ironic Times |
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20 Jan 05 - 09:44 PM (#1383841) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Cruiser WYSIWYG, As an atheist, I appreciate your candor. Your statement does not give non-believers any cause to counter your faith only respect that you are willing to recognize an overzealous display of faith. If George Bush is a Christian, he gives that faith a bad name. He is a "Fools Christian" in a "Fools Paradise". He is a very dangerous man in dangerous times, obviously looking forward to the Apocalypse from the Book of Revelation. I guess we should refer to him as the Apostle George the Bush. All my relatives are good decent Christians and support the man. I just can not understand that blind, unfailing support and there is no rational, logical explanation for it. I have a strong dislike for the immoral Bill Clinton, but as a Republican I have never had more disdain for any American public official than I have for Mr. Bush. I am ashamed that he "represents" the "best" that my country has to offer to the rest of the world. Thanks once again Susan. It is refreshing for a Christian to criticize another "self-professed" Christian instead of praising him just because he is a Christian or a believer. Cruiser |
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20 Jan 05 - 09:45 PM (#1383842) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos There has never been more emphasis in an inaugural speech on the principle of freedom, and liberty. It was the most iterated idea in the entire address. Meanwhile, harsh necessity dictated that this also be the most rigorously exclusive, and the most draconianly controlled Inaugural address in our history; a web of steel and led brought the entire center of our capitol to a halt for the day, and more guns were surveilling those citizens who did get to attend than ever before in history. Does anyone see any incongruity between this speech and these actions? A |
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20 Jan 05 - 09:53 PM (#1383845) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa Guest 20 Jan 05 - 09:39 PM, LOL! Thank you. :) Teresa |
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20 Jan 05 - 10:03 PM (#1383849) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bill D on MSNBC, Keith Olberman and Co. extracted what they felt was the 'essence' of the speech and ran it in about 1 minute....it consisted of 30 sound bytes of "freedom" and "libery", and suggesting that the world as a whole needed, and was about to get, OUR (meaning 'his') notion of freedom. Even middle of the road and conservative commentators agreed that he had been 'unusually' political and aggressive for an inagrural speech. The more liberal commentators kinda suggested openly that if he intended what it sounded like he intended, he was treading on some pretty thin ice. |
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20 Jan 05 - 10:16 PM (#1383857) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk The kind of liberty and freedom Mr Bush is talking about is the kind that is reserved for those who drive tanks over the homes and bodies of the "liberated". Liberty to do exactly what they want, and take exactly what they desire, from whomever they please, at the point of a gun. And then...hold an election among those still surviving who are willing to collaborate with their conquerors. (Just so it looks kind of like home...well, sort of a little bit, anyway...) An election between one set of carefully chosen stooges and another is really no election at all. Ask those who lived under the Soviets. |
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20 Jan 05 - 10:25 PM (#1383864) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bobert Thank you, LH, and... ...ditto. |
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20 Jan 05 - 10:28 PM (#1383868) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: DougR Mick: methingks you may have been tuned in, but not listening. Bush specifically said the type of democracy chosen by the peoples of other countries might be different than ours in the, U. S. You guys are such sore losers. All of you whiners and naysayers. Bush delivered a great speech, and the only world leaders who may be a bit nervous are those like North Korea, Syria, Iran, and perhaps even Saudi Arabia. DougR |
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20 Jan 05 - 10:31 PM (#1383872) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Oh, everybody is a bit nervous.... But that's been the case for quite some time now. Ever since GW got re-elected. Or whatever you would call it. |
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20 Jan 05 - 10:36 PM (#1383877) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: DougR WWSW,etc: are you sure you watched the same ceremony I did? I didn't hear Methodist Church mentioned one time. There were no commercials, so I'm sure I couldn't have missed it. Bush is a Methodist you know. DougR |
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20 Jan 05 - 11:08 PM (#1383896) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bill D no, Doug....there will be many other world leaders who are nervous about Bush's intentions. Plans to bring 'freedom' to Saudia Arabia would be even more ....ummmmm....interesting....than it was in Iraq. I'd rather be a 'sore' loser than a dead loser. (I just saw film of some of our boys heading out for their 3rd tour...most of them didn't look too pleased.) |
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20 Jan 05 - 11:34 PM (#1383909) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk One man's freedom is another man's slavery. Ask the Cherokee, the Choctaw, the Cheyenne, the Seminoles, the Apaches, the Navahos, and about a hundred other once free nations who lived upon these North American lands. "Freedom" is a word frequently misused by those intent upon making bloody war on people. |
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20 Jan 05 - 11:38 PM (#1383912) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bobert Thats the part I'm a little scared about as well, LH... This think about "ownership" may just get more than a few Bushites thinkin' that slavery is back.... Bobert |
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20 Jan 05 - 11:59 PM (#1383929) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: dianavan Freedom's just another word for nothin left to lose... oops - wrong thread... |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:15 AM (#1383934) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST,Hilter Woss all this Liberty? Sounds too much like dumb-ass LIBERAL, to me. |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:40 AM (#1383948) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bev and Jerry It seems to us that America fought the cold war for several decades for one reason - the Soviet Union expressed a desire to spread their form of government to every nation on earth and we fought in Korea and Viet Nam and elsewhere to prevent that from happening. Seems the shoe is now on the other foot. Bev and Jerry |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:41 AM (#1383949) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: LadyJean James Thurber wrote a collection of "Fables For Our Time". The stories are salty and smart, and oh so very relevant today. One of them concerned The Foxes and the Orioles. The Orioles live in a bird sanctuary. The Foxes are informed by their leader that this is wrong and cruel to the Orioles. So the Foxes invade the sanctuary and eat the oriols. Then the leader of the Foxes announces, "You see before you another Lincoln. We have liberated all those Orioles." I'm not sure if Thurber was using the foxes as a metaphor for Hitler or for Stalin, but these days, they're us. |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:45 AM (#1383952) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Cluin Will they be singing "God Save the President" soon? Maybe after he appoints himself Emporer (for the good of the country)? |
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21 Jan 05 - 01:06 AM (#1383970) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos He will still be a bare naked leather-brained priapist with the sensitivity of copralite. AHJ |
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21 Jan 05 - 02:05 AM (#1383996) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa No, cluin ... most who hear that tune in the states think it's "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" and will be filled with empty patriotism. |
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21 Jan 05 - 03:51 AM (#1384045) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Boab I am once again reminded of Rab Burns words -"If such as he in heav'n may be, then welcome, hail damnation"! |
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21 Jan 05 - 10:19 AM (#1384291) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Donuel Bush Appointed by God, began soon after the first FL election debacle. Generals and Supream Ccourt justices have now repeated that mantra of an innate holiness to the Bush regieme. Well it worked. ............................. posted on DU Subject: American Hitler - The Quiz In the 1990's, our so-called "patriotic" Republican friends compared The President of the United States to Hitler. For example, look at these doctored photos: (NOTE: PHOTOS DELETED FOR POSTING ON D.U.. FULL LETTER WITH EMBEDDED PHOTOS AVAILABLE BY EMAIL - JUST REPLY WITH A MESSAGE IF YOU WANT IT TO PASS TO YOUR FRIENDS. I CAN LOOK UP YOUR EMAIL IN YOUR PROFILE) But wait.... Why should they get all the fun? So, Without Further Ado, Here's The QUIZ: Bush or Hitler? Question 1: c Bush c Hitler "We have no interest in oppressing other people. We are not moved by hatred against any other nation. We bear no grudge. I know how grave a thing war is. I wanted to spare our people such an evil. It is not so much the country; it is rather its leader. He has led a reign of terror. He has hurled countless people into the profoundest misery. Through his continuous terrorism, he has succeeded in reducing millions of his people to silence. The maintenance of a tremendous military arsenal can only be regarded as a focus of danger. We have displayed a truly unexampled patience, but I am no longer willing to remain inactive while this madman ill-treats millions of human beings." Question 2: c Bush c Hitler "If we must begin a military campaign, it will be directed against the lawless men who rule your country and not against you. ...We will tear down the apparatus of terror and we will help you to build a new [nation being invaded] that is prosperous and free. In a free [nation being invaded], there will be no more wars of aggression against your neighbors, no more poison factories, no more executions of dissidents, no more torture chambers and rape rooms. The tyrant will soon be gone. The day of your liberation is near." Question 3: c Bush c Hitler "As young [people of the nation], you have an important responsibility, which is to become good citizens." Question 4: c Bush c Hitler "[W]e being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life. ... Christian [churches are important] for the maintenance of our nationality. They will respect the agreements concluded between them and the federal States. Their rights are not to be infringed.... It will be the Government's care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real national community is just as much in the interest of [this] nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith." Question 5: c Bush c Hitler "[Y]ou know I have always been an enemy of half measures or weak decisions. If God has so willed that the [nation's] people cannot be spared this fight, then I can only be grateful that it entrusted me with the leadership in this historic struggle... [blah blah blah]... The [nation's] people and their soldiers are working and fighting today, not only for the present, but for the coming, most distant, generations. A historical revision on a unique scale has been imposed on us by the Creator." Question 6: c Bush c Hitler "God told me to strike at [one enemy] and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at [another enemy], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in [African region]." Question 7: c Bush c Hitler "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. ... If there is a God, then he gives us not only life but also consciousness and awareness. If I live my life according to my God-given insights, then I cannot go wrong, and even if I do, I know I have acted in good faith." Question 8: c Bush c Hitler "The resolve of our great nation is being tested. But make no mistake: We will show the world that we will pass this test." Question 9: c Bush c Hitler "Strength lies not in defense, but in attack." Question 10: c Bush c Hitler "We have the force necessary to deal with the situation." Answers below after you've finished the test (no cheating!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1] Hitler, 2] Bush, 3] Bush, 4] Hitler, 5] Bush, 6] Hitler, 7] Hitler, 8] Bush, 9] Hitler,10] Bush Scoring: 9 - 10 Congratulations! You can tell the difference between our shining neo-con President and the twentieth century's worst war criminal! 7 - 8 Ehhh... Not so much. 5 - 6 You know, you'd have done as well by flipping a coin. 3 - 4 It's pretty offensive to mix these two up. I mean, Hitler was bad and all, but at least he kept the Germans fully employed. 0 - 2 Repeat after me: It can't happen here. It can't happen here. By the way, here's a completely undoctored photo of a Florida billboard (no, seriously!): (NOTE: PHOTOS DELETED FOR POSTING ON D.U.. FULL LETTER WITH EMBEDDED PHOTOS AVAILABLE BY EMAIL - JUST REPLY IF YOU WANT IT TO PASS TO YOUR FRIENDS) "Der Führer" in German means "Our Leader". ............................ PS The pictures that the poster refers to are mine but they are banned from appearing on the Democratic forum website. DH |
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21 Jan 05 - 10:33 AM (#1384300) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Comparing Hitler to Bush is just soooooo weak. It's arguements like that the cause anyone from the center to the right that they have nothing to worry about from a very desparate and say anything far left. Actually it's ignorant and very stupid. Amos and Big Mick, your comments back are also weak. They are the equivalent of a little girl sticking out their tongue at someone. I can't take your mindset very seriously and you I guess will just have to deal with that. |
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21 Jan 05 - 10:46 AM (#1384314) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Donuel Comparing actual quotes is indeed unfair to fascist sympathizers. It is not stupid or ignorant. This is not to say that stupidity and ignorance are not hallmarks for fascist propoganda and essential for fascist regiemes and philosophies to survive. |
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21 Jan 05 - 11:03 AM (#1384332) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Bev and Jerry - The flip side of your quote is as follows, and might have come from the lips of Kruschev, Brezhnev, etc: "We Communists fought the cold war for several decades for one reason - the USA (and NATO) expressed a desire to spread their form of government to every nation on earth and we fought in Korea and Viet Nam and elsewhere to prevent that from happening. Unfortunately, we ran out of money finally and had to throw in the towel. Now you see what is happening...they ARE doing just what we warned they would!" What you fail to realize, Bev and Jerry, is that ALL competitive and aggressive empires attempt to spread their form of government to every nation on earth...and their opponents fight to prevent that from happening. :-) Observe the past activities of Persia, Alexander the Great, the Holy Roman Empire, Imperial Spain, Napoleon, Great Britain, Russia, Germany, Italy, Japan....the list goes on and on. At any one time in history there is a "most dangerous and aggressive" empire in dominance. Right now, it's the USA and its ally the UK. You don't see it because you're too partisan, and are under the impression that "if it's from the USA it must be good". Nope. It's not. It's the usual self-serving empire-building at the expense of weaker nations that's been happening since before Babylon. Those who value freedom oppose such empires, no matter what flag they parade under or what rhetoric they spew. Has not Bush promised to spread HIS version of "freedom" everywhere? That's what Hitler and all the others promised. That's what they always promise. THEIR version of freedom favours them, and oppresses others. People like making their own minds up about HOW to be free in their own fashion, not being instructed in it at the point of an invader's gun. |
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21 Jan 05 - 11:09 AM (#1384339) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST I don't believe Bush is the least bit sincere about being a born again Christian. It is merely the PR profile his handlers came up with to sell him as a viable candidate instead of a privleged, pampered, and spoiled dry drunk who had crashed every business venture he ever came in contact with. I mean c'mon, how many people would have considered Bush a viable candidate for ANY office (well, outside Texas anyway) if his PR profile hadn't been redeemed by his religious conversion and quitting the drink? |
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21 Jan 05 - 11:16 AM (#1384346) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: CarolC Well, it's certainly true that GW Bush has not killed anywhere near as many people as Hitler did... yet. |
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21 Jan 05 - 11:21 AM (#1384356) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Donuel He is fond of saying "I will not leave any option off the table". Nukes are his trump cards. It is not only thinkable it is the plan. |
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21 Jan 05 - 11:22 AM (#1384359) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Puhleeeeeease, Carol C. Yet? Are we leading women, children, and the infirmed to concentration camps and gas chambers? Are you on dope? |
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21 Jan 05 - 11:25 AM (#1384364) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Ooooh Nooooo!!Martin isn't going to take my comments seriously. I have to DEAL with it!! Perch and twist, you dumb chump -- that's about as hard to deal with as a sunny day and a good shared conversation -- the sort of which you are incapable. Interesting little quiz -- I actually got two Hitler quotes down as Bush's, and one Bush quote down as Hitler, for a score of 70. Obviously I need to clean my ears or something. A |
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21 Jan 05 - 11:29 AM (#1384376) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: CarolC We have much more effective ways of eliminating large numbers of people now, Martin. Gas chambers are obsolete. Get with the 21st century. |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:09 PM (#1384423) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Did you hear the description of the people trying to find their homes on re-entering Falluja? Some of them couldn't find their buildings. Others found whole families dead in the ruins together. rotting after days. But the good thing is that those damned insurgents got out of there and went somewhere else. No, we don't know where, why do you ask? A |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:13 PM (#1384430) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous That's right Amos. You have no credibility and are to be taken for just a doper political whiner. If you clean your ears, you might find it is one more advantage to trying to function in the real world. carolC. You ought to take up knitting. Gas chambers are a metaphor of course in today's world. Keep groveling if you wish. Your arguements are proving everyday that the radical left cannot be taken seriously. They aren't. doper politics. |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:21 PM (#1384436) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Jeeze, Martin, you wouldn't know the radical left if it bit you on the nose!! Martin, keep stinking up your environment with every step and every foul breath you take, if you wish. Your thoughts and your gases are equally toxic to ordinary life on planet Earth; fortunately for you, you usually manage to conceal the former. You're a waste of real estate, a loss to humanitty and motherhod, and a poor excuse for wetware, as well as being a dedicated abuser of persons. Your delicacy and perspicacity is on a par with some barbarous character one might see in a horror movie -- "Silence of the Lambs" comes to mind. Crawl back in your dark and smelly pit, scumbag. A |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:23 PM (#1384438) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: CarolC We'll see, Martin. |
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21 Jan 05 - 12:48 PM (#1384460) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick Martin is a perfect example of a chicken hawk. Never been to a warzone, never seen the effect on the civilians, believes that war is honorable. Let one who has seen these things share something with you. It is never honorable to make war. It is a breakdown, a failure. Sometimes it is forced upon you, and you have to do your best to act honorably while doing the worst thing mankind does. I have seen so many of these "former hippies" who dodged their obligation for less than honorable reasons, then turned into raving conservative idiots later in life. Their convictions are a mile wide and a half inch deep. Contrast them with Catspaw. 'Spaw didn't believe in the war either. And he had the conviction to go to jail in defense of that belief. I am a veteran, and yet I have much respect for that. I have no respect for a person who comes here, points out every one else's faults, uses vile language and inuendo, and pretends to be very self assured. But Martin, here is a newsflash for you. You use terms like "everyone knows" a lot. Well, everyone can see you for what you really are. You are shallow, you attempt to keep the heat off yourself by pointing out what is wrong, in your mind, with others. You assume an air of superiority in order to hide your own inadequacies. So keep mouthing your chicken hawk crap. Just understand that most here have you pegged pretty well.
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21 Jan 05 - 01:53 PM (#1384503) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST Regarding Martin Gibson: Where is Winston Rothschild III when you need him? |
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21 Jan 05 - 08:59 PM (#1384845) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST Actually, the biggest losers on this thread are the people who engage in combat with Martin Gibson. They are weak, egomaniacal "last worders". Anyone who feels compelled to put down someone as low as Martin Gibson is even lower than he is in the oozing muck and slime of irrelevance. |
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21 Jan 05 - 09:18 PM (#1384856) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa Er, is that the same Guest in the last two posts? Methinks one contradicts oneself, eh? :) Netiquette 101: Do not mess with trolls, lest thou be eaten! Or do not mes with trolls, lest thou become one! Teresa |
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21 Jan 05 - 09:23 PM (#1384858) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Well Guest, Big Mick and Amos have such big and bruised egos. Amos, you've stooped to moron credbility with your inability to deal with how bad you've been looking lately. Silence of the Lambs? Is that the best you can do with someone who thinks you and your doper politics are full of shit? Boo Hoo. And Big Mick, don't let the door hit you on your way out. I think many have you pegged pretty well, also. A big, fat guy trying to make up for some real inadequacies in life. You put words in people's mouths when you really have fecal matter in yours. I just absolutely love it when you beardy type lefty liberals get told off on how mentally out of touch you are with society and how your PSEODO-intellectual arguements have no impact on anything. You both are the epitome of old dopers. |
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22 Jan 05 - 12:23 AM (#1384946) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: DougR Mick: you are a war hero, I assume. At least you have been depicted as such ever since I have been on this forum. Assuming that is right, I thank you for the serivce you gave to your country. Your constantly reminding folks that you are a war veteran everytime the question of the validity of war comes up in these threads, however is growing a bit thin. At least with me. There are millions of service men and women who likely could compare their records of wartime with you (unless of course you wear the Medal of Honor). Somehow, though, I suspect you are a medal wearing veteran, but do not have the "Big one" to hang around your neck. If you do, I aplogize. Using your experience in Vietnam, though, to belittle anyone who dares to express an opinion contrary to yours about war grows even thinner. Again, at least with me. President Bush's ideas, as expressed in his speech yesterday to help to bring liberty to those around the world who are oppressed, are IMO, right on track. Those who belittle that hope are, also IMO, destined to be losers for life. No hope, the sky is falling, nothing good will ever happen losers. It saddens me to know that so many Mudcatters feel that way. Terrorists cannot be reasoned with! Why is it so difficult to accept that? They cut the heads off captives, and Mudcatters blame Bush for it instead of the terrorists weilding the swords! It makes no sense to me at all. When the elections are held in Iraq, I think we will see the Iraqis turn out in larger numbers to vote than eligible voters turned out to vote in the last U. S. election. I certainly could be wrong (perhaps a first because on the Mudcat one seldom suggests in the slightest way they may be wrong). But if I'm right, could those same Iraqis have had an opportunity to vote on an issue that will affect them, and their children for the rest of their lives, had been able to do so had Saddam still been in power? I think not. I think, Mick, that you, and those who think like you, are so convinced that "your way" is right, that you cannot accept that you might be wrong. That's right. You really might be wrong, and Bush might be right. I don't question your right to think as you do, but urge you to at least think beyond Vietnam and your experience there. DougR DougR |
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22 Jan 05 - 02:07 AM (#1384973) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Kaleea I say a prayer daily for that thar good ole boy, dubble yew: (to paraphrase fiddlin' 'round on th' roof) God bless that bush\ and keep that bush. . . FAR AWAY FROM US!! |
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22 Jan 05 - 03:00 AM (#1384993) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull I saw the idiot Bush's acceptance speech, it was shown here on the BBC, he makes me angry, he is dangerous, why did you people ote for him? Bush and his freind Tony are the 2 most dangerous men on the planet. I heard that while he was making his speech, there were men armed with rifles on the top of every building in the area, so surely at least one of them could have shot him??? |
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22 Jan 05 - 03:29 AM (#1384999) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick Point taken, Doug, with regard to mentioning my experiences. I won't bother to respond to the stuff you said to troll, but I do bring it up when I think it merits it. When I hear these chicken hawks run their yaps about patriotism, it bothers me. The thought of someone who ducked their duty (read that "I had other things to do" Cheney, and "I can't be bothered with showing up for my drill obligation" Bush) sending young people to combat just bothers the hell out of me. And when a guy like Martin admits to the hypocrisy of his position, albeit you have to look through a number of threads to find it, I just like to point it out. Seems to me that when one indicates the pleasure they get out of making people dance, a dose of their own salts is called for. Most of the terrorism you are seeing, Doug, is because of Bush. The latest figures show that there are more insurgents now than ever. One conservative commentator today indicated that we are looking at 4 to 6 more years, and then wasn't sure we could leave in any positive way. Another indicated that the "let the fires of freedom burn" rhetoric was designed to get the attention off the lack of WMD's, and the lies used to get us into this mess. By the way, Doug, I am perfectly willing to let time figure who is "right" between us. But folks are already coming to the realization. Let's see how your man does with the public, and even you, when he cuts Medicaid and continues to spend incredible dollars to prosecute his little adventure. Yeah, I think I will just let time demonstrate who is right. Mick |
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22 Jan 05 - 07:52 AM (#1385081) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: ard mhacha The European press didn`t hold back in castigating the Bush speechwriters, El Periodico, wrote of the speech as " messianic, triumphalist and arrogant in tone" Die Tageszeitong, states, "This US administration sends a chill down the spine of anyone unwilling to become accustomed to listening to this madness". An ITV [UK] poll resulted in 91% claiming " they did not think Bush would deliver on freedom". What a pity The Skibereen Eagle is no longer with us. |
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22 Jan 05 - 08:24 AM (#1385093) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bobert Dougie, Well, if Iraq is the model on how Bush is going to go about implimenting his blueprint fore liberty then count me out. All it's doing is liberating one heck of a lot folks from the list of the living. You can't bring liberty thru killing. They have another name for that... ...imperialism!!! Yeah, it would be nice if everyopne felt liberated and free but, heck, there's at least 56,000,000 folks in the US who don't fell all that liberated or free and Bush hasn't even gotten 'round to having us rounded up and liberated of our lives so just how do you see him doing it elsewhere? Quite a few of us here are asking the same quesrion and getting nuthin' more from you than whar we're hearing from Bush. Just alot of puffery with not real plan of action other than war. Like where's the blueprint? Or is it a secret blueprint like Nixon's secret blueprint for winning the Vietnam swar that he touted back in '68... Mick, I love ya' brother but got to spli hairs with ya on the "former hippie" remark. IMO, there's no such thing. Hippie is a state of mind and like riding a bicyle, once you get it you've got it. Sure there were lots of folks who hung out with hippies to get high and laid who never got it. These are folks you are talking about. I knew lots of 'em. I knew at the time the one's who got it and the one's who didn't just as I can meet someone today who I didn't know in the 60's who I quickly know was (and is) part of the movement. And they, me, as well.... Bobert |
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22 Jan 05 - 09:09 AM (#1385125) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Greg F. and those who think like you, are so convinced that "your way" is right, that you cannot accept that you might be wrong. That's right. You really might be wrong... Ever think [if that's not an innacurate use of the word in this context] of taking your own advice , Sir Hubris? |
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22 Jan 05 - 10:31 AM (#1385193) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Martin is talking trash again, inventing data that suits his sick, gnarled and deeply broken view of life. I've said it before, and been tricked back in before; I can only apologize for my stupidity in this respect: I ain't playing his stupid game no mo'. A |
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22 Jan 05 - 11:15 AM (#1385216) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST Sure, Amos. "messianic, triumphalist and arrogant in tone" Pretty much the best description of the speech in a nutshell I've heard, right there. Sounded just like a Latin American dictator. Our "our bastards" as Jeanne Kirkpatrick used to call them. Personally, I'm all in favor of Our Good American Government cleaning out the world's despots, so long as they begin at home. |
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22 Jan 05 - 11:51 AM (#1385241) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Some definitons ofd interest: an absolute ruler or a person who wields power oppressively. www.historyteacher.net/EuroProjects/DBQ1998-1999/glossary2899.htm An honorary court title of the Byzantine Empire, introduced in the twelfth century ot the second highest title (after that of basileus). www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Labyrinth/2398/bginfo/glossary.html – tyrant ruler www.medhigh.ac.cy/medjunior/es2002/cyprus/glossary.htm tyrant; a ruler with absolute authority and power www.thoughtfultech.com/MMTS/nsfgloss.html A |
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22 Jan 05 - 12:14 PM (#1385259) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Big Mick I'll say this, Doug. You got me thinking and investigating. So went back and looked at my old threads. Know what I found? I found that for a long time I rarely mentioned my service. And when I do, it is usually to make the point that there is nothing glorious about war. I think what bothers you is that I don't fit into your neatly defined definition of what I should be. You would rather I stand up and say how proud I am of my country, and act as though this is a noble undertaking. You would rather I took a stoic stance about this. Ain't gonna happen. I will never glorify war. It is not glorious, and only occasionally just. Because of the horrible cost to both sides, and especially to the children, it must be questioned at every opportunity. This is not a fucking board game. Someone's Dad is going to die. Someones children will lose everything, including maybe life. There will be scars that will never heal. It is always easy for folks like you to talk in broad generalities, and say things like "war is hell". No shit, really? I don't question the honor of the warriors involved. Hell, I have been one. But I do question the motivations of those who mouth the party line when lives are at stake. I get angry, Doug, when folks that sell their allegiance to whatever is convenient at the time of their lives that they are in, and don't realize in a real and personal way what the cost is. If they did, they wouldn't be so blithe in their assertions. So, Doug, I don't really give a shit if you like me throwing out my experiences. I will, at every opportunity, point out the horror and hypocrisy from the unique perspective I have. Or would you rather I just tell war stories and sing "The Green Berets". One last correction. I am no war hero, and I have never laid claim to that. I have laid claim to having witnessed certain things that most who run their mouths here have not. My view isn't as much political, as it is a reflection of how I was impacted by those times. I have profound respect for others here, whom I know to have been brave and honorable warriors, even though our politics are polar opposites. Mick |
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22 Jan 05 - 04:29 PM (#1385453) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: dianavan DougR - "When the elections are held in Iraq, I think we will see the Iraqis turn out in larger numbers to vote than eligible voters turned out to vote in the last U. S. election." Who will observe these elections in Iraq to make sure they are conducted fairly? I think, Doug, that you are wrong when you say that Mudcatters support terrorism or Saddam. You can solve the problems of tyranny and violence with more tyranny and violence. Saddam was wrong and Bush is just as wrong. It is not a matter of choosing sides. Its a matter of finding a better way to solve problems. I do not support George Bush because he lied to the American public, the international community and Congress. It led to a war that killed many, many innocent people. His tactics are all wrong. As usual, the process of solving the problem has led to deeper problems and really hasn't solved anything. The only people who profit from war are war profiteers and in this case, there are many in the Bush administration who are war profiteers. I was educated in the U.S.A. I was taught that to guard freedom, I had to question authority. That is a right and privilege that few nations have. I am disappointed that so many in the U.S.A. have taken the easy path of blindly following a government that has only their own economic interests at heart. GWB doesn't give a rat's ass about you or anyone except their small circle of facist friends. |
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23 Jan 05 - 03:24 AM (#1385801) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: goodbar 40 million bucks on a ****ing party. what a waste. |
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23 Jan 05 - 03:29 AM (#1385806) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Teresa Goodbar, that just about sums it up right there, IMO. :) Teresa |
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23 Jan 05 - 03:39 AM (#1385813) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST,KantKountThatFar goodbar, What is a mere $40,000,000 when the biggest celebration is up to 151 Billion: 151,000,000,000 and the debt is 7,594,000,000,000. Tuh-tuh-trillion. Why that's just like "Three Coins In A Fountain" to Conservative Republicans. "Celebrate Life" they say. "All life is sacred" they say. "Every child has a right to life, even the unborn", they say. What are they doing in Iraq then? Saving sacred lives? If not, I guess those lives and fetuses are just the wrong color or faith to be worth saving. |
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24 Jan 05 - 12:02 PM (#1387053) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Wolfgang The Bush-Hitler game is silly and uninstructive. (1) It could be done with just about any pair of people who have not much in common (Bobert - a German Neonazi or any other unlikely pair). (2) What Donuel misleadingly calls 'actual quotes' are distorted translations made with the aim of masking any differences. 'Almighty Creator' for instance is not Hitler's language at all, I bet you he actually has said 'Vorsehung' ('providence'), in his thinking a very un-Christian term. I once have quoted re Iraq the very right-wing Austrian politician Haider with a quote that could easily have been confused with a left-wing Mudcatter criticising Bush. That doesn't make left-wing Mudcatters identical to right-wing nationalists. Wolfgang |
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24 Jan 05 - 03:12 PM (#1387342) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST,Larry K Bush said that he would like to spread freedom and democracy to the rest of the world. I hope he starts with Great Britain and Canada. P. Diddy ran an ad campaign on MTV called "vote or die". In Iraq, the terrorists ran their own version called "vote AND die". (threatening to kill anyone who voted) Despite this, they are predicting an 80% turnout. That is far better than the record setting 60% turnout in the USA, but not as good as the 120% turnout in a few democratic districts. Will Michael Moore be filming in Iraq to make sure there are no problems? Will the demoncrats claim that Bush stole the election in Iraq no matter who wins? Personnally, I don't like politicians with big visions. I like small minded narrow thinking bearocrats where the best they come up with is "don't ask don't tell" I read the Bev and Jerry comment many times to make sure I fully understood what they were saying. Basically that there was no difference between communism who took over another country and installed their own communist government, and democracy which allows the people in the country to choose their own leader- like in Afganastan. I covered forms of goverment with my daughter last year when she was in 6th grade. Bev and Jerry must have missed that year. A shame. It would really help to have a good 6th grade education to build upon. |
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24 Jan 05 - 03:45 PM (#1387373) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: PoppaGator For more on what a big fat fascist we have for a Prseident, see the new thread "Kennedy: Fascist America." Back to the subject of last week's "prayerful inauguration": I didn't watch much of it, but I did witness a couple of musical performances by folks I had never seen or heard of before. I assume these are up-and-coming stars in the fundamentalist Christian-music firmament. Was this a big career boost for these folks, or what? Might any payola have been involved? |
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24 Jan 05 - 04:11 PM (#1387400) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Hey folks, keep in mind that politics has been dividing many essentially good people against each other for millenia, and though you may disagree totally with someone's political position it is wise not to allow that to lead you into denigrating their intelligence, their goodness, or their humanity. If people would focus more on similarities than differences, they would find their wars quite unnecessary. Most unfortunate that it's the differences that seem to catch their attention. I do not hate George Bush. I just think he's making big mistakes in foreign and domestic policy. If so, he is no doubt doing it because it appears to make sense to him, given his understanding of things. He's a product of his background, just like everybody else. To get into a mutual hate-fest over political differences (or differences in personal "style") is a foolish endeavour, in my opinion. But...some people feel more energized and alive and righteous when they're REALLY MAD at someone!!! In other words, it feels good to them. :-) Hmmm. Not a rut I want to spend much time in. Too toxic on the system. And it can have unforeseen consequences. |
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24 Jan 05 - 04:18 PM (#1387405) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Amos is most definately in that rut. He might self-destruct within the 4 years though I do not hope so. It's important that he sees that the radical left is going no where. |
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24 Jan 05 - 04:22 PM (#1387411) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Jim Tailor The left? Radical? ...say it ain't so! |
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24 Jan 05 - 04:33 PM (#1387422) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Most of the "Left" is nowhere near as radical as I would like to see... :-) |
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24 Jan 05 - 06:19 PM (#1387576) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Jesus, Martin, you're as cross-eyed as a sow in heat. Radical???MOI?? It is to laugh, except that you offer it up as though conversing. What's radical is putting the United States on a unilateral war-mongering basis for the first time since the Phillippines. What's radical is undermining and tearing down systems of society that have been working for thirty of fifty years. What's radical is falsifying the rationale for invading another nation, throwing out prior treaties that led toward international peace, and personally asserting in all this that one has made no errors. Radical!! You don't know what you are speaking about. A |
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25 Jan 05 - 12:19 PM (#1388138) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Actually amos, we are getting back to some basics that the left has fucked up in this country. We're taking it back from the ones who screwed up a lot in the last 30 years. No go roll a nice fat one and relax. They won't be coming for you today. |
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25 Jan 05 - 12:35 PM (#1388160) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk Yeah. Some basics, Amos, like...if someone else is living on land that has something you want, well...just go in and kill 'em all and take it! Hell, it worked for Andrew Jackson with the Cherokee and them other savages, didn't it? It worked when all that good land in California was being squatted on by a bunch of damned Mexicans. It almost worked in 1812, except those damned Canucks just couldn't recognize a good opportunity to be FREE when it was staring 'em in the face. Bastards stopped us at the border somehow. Shee-it. Well, we didn't have B-52's back then, and cruise missiles. If we had, baby, there would BE no Canada now. There'd just be another 10 or so states up there. Yup. Too dang bad about that. |
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25 Jan 05 - 01:34 PM (#1388237) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Nice to see we're getting back to basics like spending money we don't have, killing enemies we don't need to kill, destroying property we don't own, invading countries we have not declared war on, torturing people we cannot understand, and supporting people we can't trust. That's what I see going down, and antagonist rabble-mouths supporting it with wild generalizations and heaps of insult and abuse which are vitally necessary in order to avoid dialogue. Dialogue is dangerous because, you know, it introduces all these weird ideas, enough to make your brain spin. Obviously. Me, I believe in good corporations and smart marketing, good engineering, compassionate designs and technologies, and good communication between peers. I dunno what all the abuse is about. Someone musta had their skull bent in the birth canal or sompn. 'Cuz there has been more bitterness, invective, and roaring abuse of persons with nul content around here of late than I have seen in all the years I been a 'Catter. I don't believe in drugs or excessive alcohol because it makes people anti-social when taken to extremes. Some folks have a head start on that one. A |
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25 Jan 05 - 02:27 PM (#1388284) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Amos. I don't care. Really, go debate your crotch. You are just a waste of my time. But keep addressing me and I'll keep telling you that, because I have no use for your twist it for the moment whining. |
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25 Jan 05 - 02:50 PM (#1388307) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos I take it you don't believe in any of those things, Martin. Your perversion of communication is spectacular, but I have to wonder whether you can name three people who actually like you. But, then again, I don't care about OR for you either, because you are a stupid arrogant fuck with a barbarian for one parent and a fencepost for the other, half the brains of a wet rock and the sensitivity of a scorpion in a puddle of cold urine. You're an abusive, nasty, ill-tempered shmuck. And I expect you will inherit exactly what you sow, and I will be delighted. Go suck your own scarred and poisonous dick, garbage-mouth. A |
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25 Jan 05 - 04:10 PM (#1388389) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Amos You sure don't look like the pseudo-intellectual you pretend to be. In fact, your diatribe just makes you look like a common idiot who has nothing else to say when they lose an arguement or have their ego inflated. SUCCESS! I love it! TAKE A LOOK AT THE WORDS YOU WRITE, AMOS! I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY EXPOSED YOU FOR THE PHONY YOU ARE! LET'S GO OUT AND GET A HOT DOG TOGETHER! |
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25 Jan 05 - 04:22 PM (#1388403) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Jesus Christ, droid-brain, if all you were doing all that baiting for was for me to insult you, you might have said so, and I would have told you what an irredeemable useless jerk-off you are long ago, because you haven't changed a whit since you first decided to abuse the overly kind and gentle folks here. Not because they particularly deserved abuse, but just because you could. As ofr losing an argument, I don't recall having one with your empty shit-sack of a face. You turned every dialogue I tried to open with you into an insult spree with no more content than a third-graders scrotum, which is what you acted like -- a pretense at something important with no content of value. Thanks for the kind offer, but they don't know how to make hot dogs in Chicago. They make first-rate dicks, though, so you must have gotten confused at an early age and gotten accustomed to chewing on the wrong ones. Why don't you just face the fact that you are a shit? At least its a starting point. Success? Sure if you want to call standing on your head in a cesspool success. Enjoy the atmosphere, you abusive turd. But do it somewhere else. A |
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25 Jan 05 - 04:55 PM (#1388436) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous I still say success, amos. they do know how to make hot dogs in chicago. I don't think there are as many kind and gentle folks as you think here, amos. True, there are some good ones, and their are some real socioligical psychological losers, also. I think the opposite of you and have told you this over and over. You can't accept it. Others have jumped in and also PM'd me enjoying that I don't buy into your vision of America or vision of much of anything you say. and know you have exposed yourself for the abusive phony you have always been. You've snapped. You need some time off. Look how abusive you have become. Me, I'm not going anywhere. If you don't want to mix with me, stay out of the posts that I comment on. You are about as light-hearted in life as an elephant turd. |
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25 Jan 05 - 06:35 PM (#1388531) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Bill D gosh, kids! |
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26 Jan 05 - 04:15 AM (#1388828) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: dianavan Martin's theme song: I see the lights, I see the party lights Thy're red and blue and green Everybody in the crowd is there But they won't let me make the scene. He was a big loser in the sixties and he felt left out because he kept hearing about free love but none of the women would have him. He gets his revenge by trying to be the biggest, baddest guy on the Mudcat. How sad is that? The sixties are over, Martin. Get over it. It happened a long time ago. |
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26 Jan 05 - 11:09 AM (#1389016) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos As you know, President Bush had his swearing-in yesterday. In fact, a lot of Democrats are still swearing. The inauguration was a very emotional moment. Laura Bush had tears in her eyes, the president's mom, Barbara Bush, had tears in her eyes ... John Kerry had tears in his eyes. This was kind of sad – today President Bush went back out to Pennsylvania Avenue and sat in the reviewing stand. He thought there was going to be a parade every day. Here's an interesting bit of inaugural trivia. Do you know which of our elected presidents had the shortest inaugural speech? Al Gore. As I'm sure you saw, there were ten inaugural balls and President Bush attended every one, including the Texas National Guard Ball ... but no one recalls seeing him there. (Leno) |
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26 Jan 05 - 11:15 AM (#1389032) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos The inauguration was a huge success. President Bush raised $40 million. It was a very big night for the Bush family. This morning the Bush twins were found in Lincoln's lap. (Letterman) |
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26 Jan 05 - 11:29 AM (#1389056) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Some people have been criticizing President Bush for spending $40 million on his inauguration. Give the guy a break, he's excited – this is the first time Bush has been elected. President Bush was sworn in on a Bible and Dick Cheney will be sworn in on the "Physician's Desk Reference" book. Actually, Cheney was sworn in a few minutes before President Bush. So technically, for a few minutes, it was almost as if Dick Cheney was running the country. Earlier tonight the Bush administration unveiled a new dance at the inaugural balls. It's called the Iraqi misstep. CNN is reporting that a longtime friend of President Bush says that Bush is telling everyone, in the next four years he intends to be "really aggressive." "Really aggressive"? In the past four years we launched, what, two wars? What's "really aggressive" going to look like? What, are we gonna bomb Canada now? How much more aggressive can we get? The New York Post reports John Kerry and Al Gore are going to run in 2008. Upon hearing this, President Bush said, "Goody, I can win a third term |
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26 Jan 05 - 11:36 AM (#1389062) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Little Hawk More aggressive? Invade Iran. If it happens, I guarantee an even bigger round of aggression there than what we have yet seen from Mr Bush. Attack Syria. Major aggression possibilities. Attack Korea. Even bigger possibilities. Drop a few nukes on someone. I feel that Mr Bush still has significant new territory to expand into on this one. |
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26 Jan 05 - 12:27 PM (#1389141) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST Martin, Amos didn't lose anything. But you never had anything to lose. You're not even a loser because you never even had it in the first place. You are and always have been just a stupid waste of space. |
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26 Jan 05 - 12:35 PM (#1389156) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous So, deal with it , Guest. I'm glad that you are bent out of shape over it. I enjoy my space and am glad you keep reading my posts. thanks! Amos lost his marbles some time ago when he was diagnosed with an obsessive liberal mental disorder. Three posts in a row pissing and moaning from one of society's true misfits. |
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26 Jan 05 - 01:20 PM (#1389212) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Like President Bush, Martin, you will have to get used to the fact that there isn't going to be a parade every day. And yours was just called off on account of rain. Some one discovered what a shit you really are inside your jolly exterior. A |
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26 Jan 05 - 01:43 PM (#1389234) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: DougR Amos: Did you intentionally post those quotes from Letterman, Leno, et al on this thread? I thought perhaps you were confused thinking you were in your own personal thread (What most folks think about the BA). Your post at 2:50PM on Jan. 25, and the one on the same date at 4:22PM (and a few others) replying to Martin confuses me a bit. Is the pot calling the kettle black? DougR |
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26 Jan 05 - 03:03 PM (#1389313) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous The pot has been smoking too much pot. |
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26 Jan 05 - 03:20 PM (#1389329) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos I'll tell you what it is, Doug, since you were kind enough to ask. Martin has gone too far; he has been needling and falsifying and distorting communications around here, pickingon people, throwing his imaginary weight around and bullyragging others, calling them names, seeking to insult them, and generally acting like an abusive, self-centered bully. And I have had enough of it. He is just a shit, a shit who acts like a cocksucker, with no manners and no value to add to the community here, except for some half-assed opinions about guitars. And that small value is significantly outweighed by the upsets he has caused. So I am not putting up with him anymore. There is some shit I will not eat. Anytime either of you want to talk -- meaning communicate -- just let me know. If all you can do is rag and needle, then you're both off my list and you will get what you earn. Right now Martin has earned disdain and rejection. It's what he sows, all over. Act like a cocksucker, get treated like a cocksucker, is what the Good Book says. A |
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26 Jan 05 - 04:07 PM (#1389397) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous amos, if you will notice, you have been stalking me. Pretty obsessive. I have 100's of PMs from many different supporters who have enjoyed how I have stood up to you and exposed you for your phoniness. wasn't long ago how you were spouting about the use of bad language. Look at you now. You are at the end of your rope. And to paraphrase your last rant: "So I am not putting up with him anymore. There is some shit I will not eat." so there is some you will? "Act like a cocksucker, get treated like a cocksucker, is what the Good Book says." what good book was that? How to win at being a fag? What a dope. What a riot. |
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26 Jan 05 - 04:28 PM (#1389422) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous I have the PMs, Mick. Do you read and count everyone's PMs here Mick? I wouldn't put it past you. And I do not have low self esteem. In fact, I have an ego that some have said is a bit bloated. What's creditionals do you have for your psychiatric analysis? Your big ass? I figured you out to Mick, early on. One of the Mudcat elite who frown upon your narrow vision of what this place is supposed to be about. Talk about someone who is miserable.................. |
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26 Jan 05 - 05:18 PM (#1389491) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Up yours, Martin; your abusive practices have gone to far, and you're reaping what you sowed. The only thing that happened to my marbles, you two-bit ass, is that you finally brought them down on your micro-cephaic head. But go roll around in your PMS, if it pleasures your dumbkopf self. A |
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26 Jan 05 - 05:35 PM (#1389521) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST It's obvious to anyone who has followed this and other threads that it is not Amos who is stalking Martin Gibson, it is Martin Gibson who is stalking Amos. MG disagrees with what Amos is saying, so in typical Karl Rove style, he is using character assasination. He's attempting to divert people's attention from the real issues by trying to make Amos sound like some sort of dope-smoking hippy goof. What does this all mean? It means that what Martin Gibson is really trying to do is censor Amos. Or anyone else that he disagrees with. Martin Gibson is a foul mouthed fascist. |
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26 Jan 05 - 05:39 PM (#1389528) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST And PMs from hundreds of supporters? Not bloody likely. The only supporter Martin Gibson has is of the athletic type, and he bought that cheap from Wal-Mart. |
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26 Jan 05 - 05:51 PM (#1389543) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Limey alert. |
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26 Jan 05 - 05:54 PM (#1389546) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Once Famous Pretty hard to censor a big mouth egomanic like amos. i don't try to censor him. Why censor something that is just so ridiculously entertaining? I've said it before, say what you want. but be prepared to be told your thoughts are dumb if I think they are. Karl Rove fashion? As opposed to what? John Kerry fashion? what a moron. |
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26 Jan 05 - 06:13 PM (#1389569) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: GUEST Then that merely shows just how dumb you are. |
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26 Jan 05 - 06:29 PM (#1389593) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Amos Hell, Martin, I thought we were gettin' somewhere with the music viewpoints in the purist thread, but here you go again. Tell ya what -- I'm prepared to have you tell me what you think if you're prepared to receive the same. Hell, I'll go further -- I'm prepared to match the degree of sincerity and coherence and respect in my messages to you as I see in yours to other folks, fair enough? A |
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26 Jan 05 - 07:00 PM (#1389646) Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration From: Joe Offer Oh, well, another day at Mudcat. Amos and Martin ruining another interesting discussion, thinking it's far more important to prove which one's the bigger asshole. I guess I'll close this thread and let it cool. Feel free to start another thread on this topic, but keep the animosity out of it. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |