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08 Feb 05 - 06:42 PM (#1403068) Subject: BS: Bush's complacency From: CStrong BUSH: HOLDING THREE JOBS 'UNIQUELY AMERICAN' Tues Feb 8 2005 9:27:01 ET Last Friday when promoting social security reform with 'regular' citizens in Omaha, Nebraska, President Bush walked into an awkward unscripted moment in which he stated that carrying three jobs at a time is 'uniquely American.' While talking with audience participants, the president met Mary Mornin, a woman in her late fifties who told the president she was a divorced mother of three, including a 'mentally challenged' son. The President comforted Mornin on the security of social security stating that 'the promises made will be kept by the government.' But without prompting Mornin began to elaborate on her life circumstances. Begin transcript: MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute. THE PRESIDENT: You work three jobs? MS. MORNIN: Three jobs, yes. THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. (Applause.) Get any sleep? (Laughter.) I guess the laughter drowned out the crashing sound of Shrub missing the point. |
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08 Feb 05 - 06:48 PM (#1403088) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Fishpicker Let them eat cake! Typical answer from a person who is completely out of touch with his country, the world and reality. Better luck next time? we can only hope! FP |
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08 Feb 05 - 06:57 PM (#1403103) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC "Uniquely American", my ass. Sounds incredibly "Third World" to me. |
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09 Feb 05 - 12:13 AM (#1403357) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Clint Keller Can you tell me where this comes from or give me a link to it? clint |
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09 Feb 05 - 12:25 AM (#1403361) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Bert Come on you knee jerk republicans, step up and justify our illustrious president. |
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09 Feb 05 - 12:27 AM (#1403362) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Clint Keller Never mind. Found it at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050204-3.html |
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09 Feb 05 - 12:39 AM (#1403371) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Uh, does this really deserve a thread of it's own? This would have fit nicely in Amos' priviate thread. DougR |
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09 Feb 05 - 11:22 AM (#1403612) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Amos DougR: Vindictive little shit, aren't you, DougR? Or are you feeling embarrassed about the looney-tunes psychopath you elevated to leadership? A |
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09 Feb 05 - 02:33 PM (#1403668) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Carol |
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09 Feb 05 - 02:37 PM (#1403670) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,CarolC That's strange. Hope this doesn't double post. What I was saying was, why should DougR care? He's got his. Everyone else can go to hell. |
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09 Feb 05 - 09:36 PM (#1403989) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Nope, Amos, if that description fits, it would probably have to be a big what-you-said. I'm about twenty pounds over weight. DougR |
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09 Feb 05 - 09:37 PM (#1403991) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Oops, Carol C: I didn't mean to slight you. What's it I've got? DougR |
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09 Feb 05 - 09:42 PM (#1403995) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce Amos, you are acting like a fundementalist liberal. Maybe you should consider how YOUR actions and words over the last six months have helped Bush remain in office, by treating those you disagree with as subhuman, regardless of what they say or actually believe. Have a nice day. |
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09 Feb 05 - 09:45 PM (#1403999) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Once Famous Probably what I've got, DougR. A decent life that you've worked hard for. Too many free-loaders and "artists in their own minds" here to appreciate what that means. |
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09 Feb 05 - 09:47 PM (#1404002) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Greg F. Well, if they're going to behave as subhuman morons, they're going to have to learn to take a few hits, no? |
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09 Feb 05 - 09:53 PM (#1404007) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce WHO, Greg F.? Evertyone that dares disagree with Amos? Amos insists on being a closed-minded bigot, who labels anyone who disagrees with him as a Bushite. It seems to me that many of us have stated here that Bush is a lousy choice- BUT the Demicraps were able to pull defeat from the jaws of victory, by their usual stupidity. And before anyone complains about me calling the Democraps stupid, just ask yourself- if Amos used the type of language he does about "Bushites" in taling about Jews, or Catholics, ALL of you would be all over his ass. Have a nice day. |
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09 Feb 05 - 09:59 PM (#1404016) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Once Famous Cool, beardedbruce. Please don't shave. Great point. |
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09 Feb 05 - 10:07 PM (#1404022) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Bobert "lousy choice" is the operative phrase here. Thank you, bb, for admitting what Amos, myself and others have observed going way back... Welcome aboard... Bobert |
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09 Feb 05 - 10:08 PM (#1404025) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Greg F. "Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're [working three jobs]. Get any sleep?" (Laughter.) As an example, that's spoken like a true subhuman moron. |
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09 Feb 05 - 10:24 PM (#1404036) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Once Famous blah, blah, Greg F. |
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09 Feb 05 - 10:55 PM (#1404064) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC You've got your retirement income guaranteed, DougR. Regardless of what you think, that woman with three jobs does not have a guaranteed retirement income. At least not if W. gets his way. BTW, Anyone who thinks that someone who is raising kids while holding down three jobs is a freeloader, has cotton candy for brains. |
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09 Feb 05 - 11:23 PM (#1404085) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce bobert, ""lousy choice" is the operative phrase here. Thank you, bb, for admitting what Amos, myself and others have observed going way back..." The problem was that the Demicraps choose someone even worse. And if you read my posts, instead of just telling me how stupid I must be for being something I am not, you might have noticed earlier Have a nice day |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:00 AM (#1404098) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos BB: Sorry, pal , but that is not the way it is. I was fired on in ambush by Dougie's post, and I don't take kindly to that sort of slur, undeserved and uninvited. So I fired back and it seems that isn't taken well in these parts. I am not a bigot. I believe George Bush is an idiot and a spycho path, but I would be more than happy to see him reform. Neither you not Martin seem to understand the actual issues, or are willing to speak to them. All that said, thanks for the remark about allowing that W might have been a bad choice. Maybe John Kerry was too, I dunno -- trouble is I have never been able to unburden all the lies and assertions being slung around. But that's old water under the bridges. A |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:05 AM (#1404100) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Teresa Well, I'm in the unenviable position of not likeing either of the Republicrats' choices. Bush kind of rises to new heights (or stoops to new lows) every time he opens his mouth. It's scary and hilarious by turns. Kerry talked out of five sides of his mouth, and didn't dare go near the subject of Iraq. Teresa |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:10 AM (#1404102) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce Amos ." I was fired on in ambush by Dougie's post, and I don't take kindly to that sort of slur, undeserved and uninvited." Oh? That is not what I see. Do you claim youhave not predominated on the thread referrred to? "Uh, does this really deserve a thread of it's own? This would have fit nicely in Amos' priviate thread. DougR " "DougR: Vindictive little shit, aren't you, DougR? Or are you feeling embarrassed about the looney-tunes psychopath you elevated to leadership? A " "I am not a bigot. I believe George Bush is an idiot and a spycho path, but I would be more than happy to see him reform." And your gratuitous nasty comments labelling as "bushites" all who disagree with your "statement" of TRUTH IS being bigoted. Especially after we have stated we do not agree with everything Bush says, or does. Sorry if the facts hurt. Have a nice day. |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:18 AM (#1404107) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan Teresa - I agree. It wasn't much of a choice. I will say that Bush is an ignorant moron if he thinks a mom who has to work three jobs to provide for her family is a joke. I'm sure that Kerry would, at least, listen to her instead of laughing at her. I think it was a choice between someone who sold his soul to the devil and someone who had a heart. |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:22 AM (#1404110) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd Beardedbruce, as is often the case, your argument is specious and completely irrational. Amos isn't a bigot. He didn't say anything about about Jews or Catholics, which are religions, or for that matter blacks, who are a race. He said it about Bushites, people who follow a particular political philosophy and particular leader. It's acceptable to call people on political philosophy that you feel is ideologically repugnant. Do you think we need to accept Nazism? Am I a bigot if I say the KKK is full of shit? How about Osama Bin Laden's followers? Bet you'd be quick to condemn THEM. You yourself keep using the oh-so-clever term "democrap," which you obviously think makes you look smart. But in fact, it makes you a bigass hypocrite, because you are using bad language to condemn a political group you disagree with; the EXACT thing you say makes Amos a bigot. |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:24 AM (#1404113) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd Also, calling you personally a vindictive little shit is not bigoted. Otherwse anyone who has ever insulted anyone else is a bigot, which stretches the meaning of the word too far. (It is, however impolite and inaccurate to call you a little shit. For one thing, as you point out, you are big.) |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:30 AM (#1404115) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce Nerd, As I have stated, Amos IS a bigot on this topic. He has called a number of us Bushites EVEN AFTER we have stated disagreement with the specific things that Bush has done that he is ranting about. Being Republican does not mean that we deserve the nasty insults that he insists of using. Are you a bigot if you call ALL Moslems terrorists? THAT is the equvalent. Ask CarolC if she would accept that as "acceptable". It is not to ME. Either "demicrap" is bigoted, in which case Amos certainly is a bigot, or it is not, in which case it should not bother you. Since it obviously hits close to home, maybe you need to look at your statement that Amos is not a bigot. Just by disagreeing with him, I have already been convicted and sentenced. |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:36 AM (#1404119) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce "Also, calling you personally a vindictive little shit is not bigoted. Otherwse anyone who has ever insulted anyone else is a bigot, which stretches the meaning of the word too far. " 1. That was directed at DougR 2. Even if it had been directed at me, I did not say that calling a specific individual a " little shit" was bigotry- The nasty comments about all of us, as "bushites" was what qualified him. (It is, however impolite and inaccurate to call you a little shit. For one thing, as you point out, you are big.) Accuracy has not been one of his strong points- that may be why he uses the broader brush of putting all those who disagree with him into a single group, defining what he says we "believe", and then insulting us for that belief, even when we have stated we do not agree with that belief. |
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10 Feb 05 - 01:12 AM (#1404145) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd Yes, sorry bb. It was the exchange with DougR I was thinking of. I still don't think what you're describing is bigotry. It's not the same as saying that "ALL Moslems are terrorists" or any other spurious religious analogy you care to make. Either "demicrap" is bigoted, in which case Amos certainly is a bigot, or it is not, in which case it should not bother you. Since it obviously hits close to home, maybe you need to look at your statement that Amos is not a bigot. Let me be perfectly clear. It's insulting, petty, small-minded, puerile, and a lot of other things to use the term "democrap." It is not bigotry. I object to many things besides bigotry, so I don't see why you think I should have no problem with anything that is not bigotry. It seems to me from this, bb, that you think "bigotry" means "anything the accuser finds objectionable." That's not what it means, so maybe in your own patronizing words, "you need to look at your statement that Amos is a bigot." |
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10 Feb 05 - 01:20 AM (#1404149) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce Let me be perfectly clear. It's insulting, petty, small-minded, puerile, and a lot of other things to use the term "bushite." I DID NOT CLAIM that the term was bigoted- BUT THAT AMOS'S continued use of it and the nasty comments he attaches to it in descibing ALL those who disagree with him IS. Or are you saying that because I can find a single Democrat or a group of them who are a criminals, I can call ALL democrats criminal and YOU will accept that? Kerry WAS an admitted war criminal, from his own testimony to Congress and in press conferences during the election. Therefore, am I justified in calling Amos a war criminal becuase he choose to support Kerry? You are telling me that I am. I would have to disagree wit that. |
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10 Feb 05 - 02:19 AM (#1404173) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd I don't even know what you're talking about, bb. Sounds like you don't either. Calling Amos a war criminal would be inaccurate. You might categorize it as "guilt by association." It is not bigoted. Again, you seem to think that anything objectionable is "bigoted." Suddenly, your brilliant logic deduces that you calling all democrats criminals would be ok by me. And that calling Amos a war criminal would be peachy too. You're out of your mind. All of these things would be both logically and morally wrong. But they would not be bigoted. |
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10 Feb 05 - 02:39 AM (#1404179) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce But you have nop problem with Amos using that logic, and insulting all those he disagrees with. It seems to me that you are the one who is out of your mind. |
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10 Feb 05 - 02:41 AM (#1404181) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC I'm confused, beardedbruce. My understanding of your use of the word "bigot" in this context is that Amos has lumped you into a category that he describes in unflattering terms and it is that generalizing about you that makes him a bigot. Where in this thread did Amos lump you into any categories? |
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10 Feb 05 - 02:47 AM (#1404184) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce Or is it only wrong when you disagree with it? My statement was that Amos has made comments about a group of people based on his opinions about a single one of them. This is bigotry. Amos can call Bush stupid or an idiot: That is his opinion. When he tries to label all those who disagree with him as Bushites, and applies the same label,regardless of the individual's statements, THAT is bigotry. Drawing a conclusion about an individual based on the group that individual (may be, or ) is in. |
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10 Feb 05 - 02:58 AM (#1404188) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC I'm sorry, beardedbruce. I'm trying to see and understand what you are saying. But all I can see is Amos calling two individual people names (DougR, and Bush). I don't see any posts in this thread where he has made comments about any groups. |
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10 Feb 05 - 03:33 AM (#1404205) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce I do not just mention this thread- I look at all of his post, which show a long-standing pattern. IMO, Amos jumped on DougR for an innocent statement. |
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10 Feb 05 - 05:49 AM (#1404270) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Jeeze, bb, take a chill pill. I think a lot of people were blinded by Bush's rhetoric. And many of them grew very aggressively assertive about it, if you recall -- to the point of passing great wads of slander and invective. I think you are being a bit inaccurate to imply that my irritation with such people was peculiar or unusual. Doug's implication that the "Popular Views of the Bush Administration" was "a private thread", as though the attitudes in it from all over the country were somehow my fevered and delusory imagination, was gratuitous and insulting, not innocent. It was a kind of underhanded rhetoric I have seen before. This has been explained to Doug before, and he persists in this particular little piece of weaselry. Your argument that "I have predominated on the thread" is not a defense for it. It is not a private thread, it is a public compilation of publically published views about Bush's administration. Using the term makes it look idiosyncratic and vaguely aberrated, as did the various insulting remarks about mental health which Dougie and other Bushites resorted to in the middle of it. Remember that part? I am sure that you have better things to do with your time. If I called you a bushite in error, I apologize. A |
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10 Feb 05 - 09:43 AM (#1404506) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Greg F. It's insulting, petty, small-minded, puerile, and a lot of other things to use the term "bushite." OK, then lets drop "BuShite" and just call them mindless, unthinking, self-satisfied, uncritical Bush sycophants, toadies and toches-lekkers. Problem solved. We're talking about people that still believe, e.g., that still Iraq had WMD's and nuclear capability, for christ's sake, and who defend all the rest of Dubya & Company's lies, fantasies and fabrications regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They demonstrably have the mental acuity of a rutabaga. What would YOU call them? |
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10 Feb 05 - 10:06 AM (#1404533) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd Okay, here's the issue, bb. The "bigot" thing is just a judgment call. You obviously think a different degree of irrational devotion to a set of ideas constitutes bigotry than I do. But here's the thing. By MY standards, neither you nor Amos is a bigot. By your own standards, you AND Amos are BOTH bigots. To wit: your use of "Democrap." So which one is it, bb? Are you willing to admit that you are a bigot too? Or is Amos a bigot and you just a bigass hypocrite? |
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10 Feb 05 - 10:24 AM (#1404547) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Greg said rutabaga!!! Greg said rutabaga!! A |
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10 Feb 05 - 12:33 PM (#1404749) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC Yes, if we are going to use the word "bigot" in the sense you are talking about, beardedbruce, I think we need to extend it to include DougR and his attitude toward Amos' thread as well as his attitude toward people who are critical of the Bush administration. |
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10 Feb 05 - 01:21 PM (#1404799) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Don Firth big•ot n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. [French, from Old French.] Word History: Bigots may have more in common with God than one might think. Legend has it that Rollo, the first duke of Normandy, refused to kiss the foot of the French king Charles III, uttering the phrase bi got, his borrowing of the assumed Old English equivalent of our expression by God. Although this story is almost surely apocryphal, it is true that bigot was used by the French as a term of abuse for the Normans, but not in a religious sense. Later, however, the word, or very possibly a homonym, was used abusively in French for the Beguines, members of a Roman Catholic lay sisterhood. From the 15th century on Old French bigot meant "an excessively devoted or hypocritical person." Bigot is first recorded in English in 1598 with the sense "a superstitious hypocrite." bigot (noun) - a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own chauvinist - a person with a prejudiced belief in the superiority of his or her own kind antifeminist - someone who does not believe in the social or economic or political equality of men and women homophobe - a person who hates or fears homosexual people drumbeater, partisan, zealot - a fervent and even militant proponent of something racialist, racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others sectarian, sectarist, sectary - a member of a sect; "most sectarians are intolerant of the views of any other sect" segregationist, segregator - someone who believes the races should be kept apart Name-calling doesn't require any thought, just a knee-jerk reaction. How about putting a lid on the name-calling and making an actual attempt at rational discourse? Or is that expecting too much? Don Firth |
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10 Feb 05 - 01:50 PM (#1404839) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Kerry's war crimes, IIRC were all about seeking to end the Vietnam war. If such be crime, let it make criminals of all, and let those who glorify such war and market it send themselves into it and leave the rest of us to seek a better path. Let Bush go out in the first tank. I think it is disgusting to call someone a war criminal for seeking to end the war. If, instead, you are talking about the insanity of the crimes against civilians in Vietnam, perhaps you would like to compare those committed by Mister Bush? I think he has brought about the slaughter, torture and insanity of tens of thousands, by his own inability to imagine any other way to acheive his ends. A |
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10 Feb 05 - 02:13 PM (#1404865) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Don Firth A Modest Proposal: Since Bush seems to want to convert the United States into a feudal state—give absolute power to the Lord of the Manor (now known as a CEO) and wage-slavery to the serfs (now known as employees), and furthermore, ensure the dependency of the serfs by eliminating all social safety net programs—I suggest that we go all the way. During feudal times, the king was expected to lead his troops into battle. So be it! Don Firth |
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10 Feb 05 - 03:13 PM (#1404940) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC Amos, the "war criminal" thingie is in reference to Kerry having admitted that some of the orders he was given and that he helped to carry out were in violation of the Geneva Convention. Of course, under those criteria, a sizable percentage of Americans who fight in wars, and certainly pretty much all of the US military personnel who give orders also fit that description. |
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10 Feb 05 - 03:52 PM (#1404995) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: gnu Isn't this about peace crimes against Americans ? Late fifties. Divorced mother of three. One mentally challenged. Three jobs. No pension. That is a crime. |
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10 Feb 05 - 09:06 PM (#1405306) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan BB, you said, "My statement was that Amos has made comments about a group of people based on his opinions about a single one of them. This is bigotry." I think what you are referring to is called stereotyping. We're all guilty of that to some degree. Its something we must always be aware of in our everyday interractions, not just our discussions on Mudcat. If, on the other hand, you refuse to listen to anyone who may have an opinion that differs from your own, (even in the face of evidence that refutes your opinion) and you remain stubbornly attached to inaccurate or unproven statements, you are a biggot. ...especially if your reply to the person that presents evidence that contradicts your beliefs, is name calling or put-downs, then you are a stupid bigot. |
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10 Feb 05 - 09:10 PM (#1405312) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce "If, on the other hand, you refuse to listen to anyone who may have an opinion that differs from your own, (even in the face of evidence that refutes your opinion) and you remain stubbornly attached to inaccurate or unproven statements, you are a biggot. ...especially if your reply to the person that presents evidence that contradicts your beliefs, is name calling or put-downs, then you are a stupid bigot. " |
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10 Feb 05 - 09:13 PM (#1405314) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos I am always open to alternative perspectives, Bruce, from you or anyone else, as long as they make relevant sense and don't call on superstition or reactionary conclusions solely for their rationale, nor a reliance on false data like "Iraq has WMD". A |
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10 Feb 05 - 09:43 PM (#1405331) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan I should have said, ..."stupid bigot." :>) Meaning that some people (even when there is overwhelming evidence to refute the bases for their beliefs) WMD's, for example, continue to hang on to a blatant lie. |
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11 Feb 05 - 12:46 AM (#1405445) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie On the Tonight Show with Jay Leno last night, he showed the clip of Bush with the woman who is working three jobs. Leno laughed and made fun of the President's gaffe but he clearly was aghast at the president's obliviousness. Leno, by the way, does not make public his own politics. His wife is a well known activist and outspoken critic of the administration and he acknowledges that but makes the point that he has his own opinions. Of course, our resident apologists, I am sure, think the president was artless and cute. |
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11 Feb 05 - 05:42 AM (#1405589) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: gnu Heartless and acute. |
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11 Feb 05 - 11:09 AM (#1405903) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Frank "Kerry WAS an admitted war criminal, from his own testimony to Congress and in press conferences during the election." Kerry admitted to nothing of the kind. He had heard from reports that there were violations of the Geneva Conventions on the part of others. He was relating those reports to Congress. "Mad Dog" Medina and Lt. Kallie were unprosecuted war criminals. Bush's pre-emptive strike on Iraq based on lies makes him eligible for having committed war crimes. Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Perle and the rest of the Neo-con followers are equally as guilty. Bush is complacent because he doesn't really care about the decent American people who work hard for little pay. He cynically jokes about their plight. Frank |
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11 Feb 05 - 05:03 PM (#1406336) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Jeeze, some of you folks sure do get bent out of shape over trivial things. According to my dictionary, the definition of bigot is: "a person of strong conviction or prejudice,especially in matters of religion, race, or politics, who is intolerant of those who differ with him." To be truly fair, it seems to me that the Mudcat is LOADED with bigots. I would inclued: Amos, Greg F., Carol C:, Donuel, and many others. Me? I do not consider myself a bigot becauses I AM tolerant of those who differ with me. I accept that those who disagree with my opinion of Bush have every right to do so. And I would defend their right to do so. I like to jab Amos about "his" thread because I think it's pretty silly of him to assume that anyone remotely interested in finding articles and opinion pieces berating Bush are incapable of doing so themselves. Such information is certainly pleantiful and easy to find. I am well aware that Amos does not post the preponderance of the information contained in that thread but he almost singlehandedly has kept the thread alive by continuting to post the work of others. I don't quarrel with his right to do so, I just think it's kind of silly. I think, by now, everyone is well aware of the fact that GWB beat Kerry fair and square and in four more years those who want to see a Democrat elected might use their time more productively by working within the DNC rather than ride a dead horse. Just my opinion of course. DougR |
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11 Feb 05 - 05:16 PM (#1406355) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC Seeing as how you regularly invite people in the US who differ with your way of looking at things to leave the country, I think we can safely put you in the "intolerant" category, DougR. |
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11 Feb 05 - 05:33 PM (#1406376) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd Wow! What a coincidence! All the people DougR defines as bigots are liberal! What're the odds? Get real, DougR! |
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11 Feb 05 - 05:43 PM (#1406388) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Thanks, Dougie old boy. Glad to have it clarified. I take back the nasty remarks. You're not really a shit. Dunno about the fair and square part, though. Even if it was a legitimate count, which I wouldn't be too sure about, the underlying pretexts of Bush's candidacy were so distorted and exaggerated that the vote was one by a big inflatable, like the ones that used to March in the Macy's Parade at Easter when I was a kid. Giant, colorful, waving and grinning, barely held down by ropes, full of something like hot air or gas, and not at all what they seem to be, but a sure gatherer of attention and acclimation. Back then, no-one would confuse them witht he real thing, though. That's what troubles me. A |
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12 Feb 05 - 12:56 AM (#1406865) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR No, CArol C: I merely provided the defintion. If the shoe fits ... Anybody who is under the impression that I do not respect the right of folks to have an opinion other than my own is just wrong. Have at it I say. DougR |
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12 Feb 05 - 07:48 AM (#1407068) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ron Davies Doug R-- I can't recall specifically having seen you invite somebody who doesn't share your opinions to leave the country---but if Carol C is correct in her assertion that you did in fact say that--you qualify to be a bigot. Sounds like "Love it or leave it" to me. However, to return to the thread, Doug R--just how funny did you think it was that the single mother with a mentally disabled son worked 3 jobs? Bush and his audience seemed to think it was a real knee-slapper. As a Republican, albeit one who voted for Kerry, I'm disgusted in Bush (again). |
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12 Feb 05 - 11:56 AM (#1407249) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC Well the shoe does fit, DougR. It fits you. I've also noticed that a significant percentage of your posts consist of you telling other people to stop talking about what they want to talk about. |
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12 Feb 05 - 11:56 AM (#1407251) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Ron: I don't recall having said that either, though I may have encouraged those who are UNHAPPY living the U. S. to find another country they liked better with my blessing. I really don't know what you are talking about when you mention the lady with three jobs. I'm just not familiar with that. DougR |
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12 Feb 05 - 12:10 PM (#1407260) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ron Davies Doug-- Do you ever actually read threads, or always just comment without knowing what you're talking about? Check the first post of this thread--hence the title. |
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12 Feb 05 - 12:29 PM (#1407277) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd DougR, you've outdone yourself! "Gee, I don't know what the thread is about but I have an opinion anyway." |
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12 Feb 05 - 02:38 PM (#1407383) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan DougR - Its a good idea to read the first post so that you can familiarize yourself with the topic. After that, read the posts that follow, then make your comments. What do you think about the president's response to the woman with three jobs and a mentally challenged child? |
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12 Feb 05 - 03:50 PM (#1407457) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,TIA Hello DougR, I am Brit Hume. During a public appearance, President Bush made a woman's distress over having to work 3 jobs to support a mentally challenged child into a joke. (Sorry about the deception, but I don't think he'll hear it unless it comes from a proper source). |
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12 Feb 05 - 04:11 PM (#1407479) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie Frankly, I don't think he made it into a joke, although he laughed. I think it was merely because his mind is so slow he simply didn't understand the implications of what she had said. And maybe he was also thinking: Ha! And they say there are no jobs out there. Ha! This woman found three of them. |
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12 Feb 05 - 04:41 PM (#1407508) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Don Firth When a guy has spent his life never having to worry about money, and whose only encounter with honest work is occasionally helping clear a little brush around the ranch once in a while then presiding over the barbeque grill, one can hardly expect him to grasp what the woman was talking about. Work. He doesn't know the meaning of the word. One begins to think there are only a few dozen words he does know the real meaning of. Don Firth |
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12 Feb 05 - 05:30 PM (#1407552) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ron Davies Doug R is truly amazing. And the Bushites wonder why the rest of us don't feel they've earned much respect in political debate. Indeed, I believe we haven't had a Bushite on Mudcat who even attempted to make sense since the dear dead days of Teribus, who after all believed in facts. And Teribus is British. |
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13 Feb 05 - 12:30 PM (#1408171) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Greg F. I>Doug-- Do you ever actually read threads, or always just comment without knowing what you're talking about?... If this isn't a rhetorical question Ron, you haven't been paying attention for some years. The man may not be an idiot, but he certainly presents himself as one. Why people persist in engaging him in conversation is beyond me. |
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13 Feb 05 - 06:48 PM (#1408550) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ron Davies Mass delusion, Greg F. We're all eternally hopeful, against all experience, that someday Doug R or the other Bushites will have something sensible to say. |
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14 Feb 05 - 01:52 PM (#1409524) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Ok, Ron, so I read the first post, including the transcript. If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor (which must have been accepted because the remark was followed by laughter). You lefties, however, make a big deal out of it. I assume that all of you who are so incensed have mailed a check to that working mother, right? Ron:it appears to me that the only thing you do well is launch personal attacks. Other than Greg F., who is a master at it, no one them better. DougR Well, on second thought, maybe Amos. |
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14 Feb 05 - 02:03 PM (#1409540) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie Like we said. |
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14 Feb 05 - 02:06 PM (#1409542) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Thanks, Doug, but I limit myself to attacks on the issues. In your case, the issues are small-mindedness, knee-jerk obedience to a fascist, a disdain for human rights and what appears to me to be an excessive tolerance for murder thinly glorified as national defense. Nothing personal about it, Dougie. "Tell Dougie it was just business--tell him I always liked him...." (M. Brando). :>) A |
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14 Feb 05 - 04:17 PM (#1409706) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Greg F. If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor... OK then, with that kind of a sense of humor, why're all the BuShites foaming at the mouth and peeing their pants about Ward Churchill's remarks? |
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14 Feb 05 - 08:13 PM (#1409939) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Nerd Actually, Amos, wasn't that Abe Vigoda's line as they took him away to be shot? |
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15 Feb 05 - 01:43 PM (#1410693) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Yes, Nerd, I do believe you are right. Amos: Thank you. I was expecting remarks such as you wrote. Greg F: Changing the subject? DougR |
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15 Feb 05 - 02:05 PM (#1410729) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Clint Keller I took it as a joke from a man who thinks it's pretty funny to lose sleep when you're pushing 60 because you're working three jobs and caring for a 'mentally challenged' son. You know the expression 'Funny as a rubber crutch?' clint |
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15 Feb 05 - 03:54 PM (#1410881) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan DougR- "If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor (which must have been accepted because the remark was followed by laughter)." Please enlighten me. I fail to see the humour in this woman's situation. Why would he try to make this into a laughing matter? Do you think it is funny to laugh at the misfortune of others? Do you think it is right for a president to make a joke out of her? |
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15 Feb 05 - 05:55 PM (#1411047) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie I would hope the guy cringed at his asinity when it was later pointed out to him by SOMEONE. Surely there is someone who says Nay to the man? DougR, if you take a moment to consider what the woman was actually informing him of, you would see that with three jobs 1) she is not able to be home with her family, 2) none of the jobs are highly paid and 3) none of the jobs have benefits, 4) she is not getting enough rest. Fantastic, isn't it. |
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15 Feb 05 - 07:03 PM (#1411140) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Ebbie: I would hope so too. I'm confident when he made that remark that he did not know the whole story. If and when he learned it, I am also confident that he regretted the remarks he made in jest. I don't believe that GWB is a heartless individual as so many of you do. DougR |
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15 Feb 05 - 07:21 PM (#1411164) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Bobert No, Dougie, we are very certain that you are the truest of the true believers. Meanwhile, very intersting article in the Post today entitled "Ex-Aide Questions Bush Vow To Back Faith-Based Efforts" by Alan Cooperman and Jim VandeHei. Seems that David Kuo, who was deputy director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatves thinks there's something real fishy about thie "com passionate conservatism" when it comes to compassion. Kuo says, "No administration since [Lyndon B. Johnson's] has had more successful legislative record than this one. From tax cuts to Medicare, the White House gets what the White House wants. It never really wanted the 'poor people stuff'." Bobert |
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15 Feb 05 - 07:37 PM (#1411192) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CStrong No, Doug, he's not heartless. He has shown himself to be somewhat arrogant, or as I titled this thread, complacent, and often spectacularly dumb. Someone once said W. was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. |
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15 Feb 05 - 09:24 PM (#1411344) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Don Firth "Poor George. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth." --Ann Richards Don Firth |
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15 Feb 05 - 11:01 PM (#1411409) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie Incidentally, I got in a hurry- it's 'asininity'. Or did I coin a word? |
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15 Feb 05 - 11:05 PM (#1411415) Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Bobert We know of what you speak, Eb.... |