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15 Feb 05 - 01:13 PM (#1410644) Subject: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Q (Frank Staplin) Brief extract: Robert Darden, Baylor University and author of "People Get Ready! A New History of Black Gospel Music, bemoans the scarcity of old gospel, including Clara Ward, the Sensational Nightingales, Sallie Martin, the Georgia Peach and others (NY Times, Feb. 15, 2005). Document, Collectables and other small labels have released a few, but these companies lack the wide distribution of major labels and depend mostly on mail and internet orders. Early gospel labels are mostly owned by the large corporations, who have released only a few classic albums on compact disc. Prof. Darden asks that music historians get involved and encourage major labels to form alliances with archivists like the Smithsonian and Rounder, and the Library of Congress. Each day, master tapes deteriorate, get lost, or are simply tossed out. "It would be more than a cultural disaster to forever lose this music. It would be a sin." "Each time I do a radio interview and play a classic gospel song, the phone lines immediately light up. The callers need to discuss what this music has meant to them. They invariably ask where they can buy it and most of the time I have to tell them they can't." OP-ED Contribution |
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15 Feb 05 - 01:30 PM (#1410668) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: sed So true! That old music can be really wonderful! Recently James D. Vaughn's grandson, James D. Walbert and his wife Eileen sent me a collection of songs including six from the Vaughn Radio Quartet (which included Walbert's father, W.B. Walbert) with Jim Walbert playing piano. The recording came from The James B. Vaughan (Gospel Music) Museum in Lawrenceburg, TN but may have been mastered by a DJ in Mississippi. I'm not sure. There was some digital distortion on the recording. True, not everyone notices it. That's something else that needs to be a concern as many people are trying to make copies of old recordings without understanding the modern problem of the very distracting digital distortion. If we can teach each other more about audio archiving techniques then more music will survive. We can't really expect large companies to be all that interested. It may be up to us. There's alot a person can do with a good turntable and adequate knowledge of their computer sound card and sound recorder. I'm learning as I go and making lots of mistakes. Order James D. Walbert's, The Piano, via James D. Vaughn Museum, 25 Public Square, Lawrenceburg, TN 38464 In 2003 it cost $12.00 for 27 selections. Steve Sedberry Radio Station WUWG 1601 Maple St. Carrollton, GA 30118 USA |
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15 Feb 05 - 01:50 PM (#1410707) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: sed Oops! I mispelled Vaughan. Correct spelling is "Vaughan." |
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15 Feb 05 - 02:18 PM (#1410749) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg You can hear it all on Sinner's Crossroads radio, archived online at WFMU. I've posted about it a lot of times so a Mudcat search should turn up a link. (Their archives can be searched by artist, too.) No shortage here-- we sing it in church. Also see thread on "Great black gospel you can do" with specific songs AND links to WFMU show dates. ~Susan |
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15 Feb 05 - 03:08 PM (#1410806) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Q (Frank Staplin) The programs are fine, but what needs to be addressed here is the preservation and archiving of material in the hands of the majors. |
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15 Feb 05 - 03:11 PM (#1410812) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg You can preserve it yourself, tho, using Total Recorder while the archive plays. Also some of the really rare stuff is now on the CD set "Goodbye Babylon" and its publisher wants to do more. ~S~ |
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08 Mar 05 - 03:35 PM (#1429969) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: sed VAUGHN |
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08 Mar 05 - 09:50 PM (#1430217) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Q (Frank Staplin) And to repeat- how can one get material which is locked away in the storerooms of the majors without their cooperation? Other than breaking in and taking it. I can't record and "preserve it myself." It is not all in the hands of Sinners' Crossroads. Recordings of the Quartet Sed mentioned, e. g., are not there. I haven't checked current price and availability. Sed, do they have an email address? |
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08 Mar 05 - 11:36 PM (#1430244) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg I think they were at Dovesong, but that MP3 library is down for a few more months. Q, have you heard about the "Goodbye Babylon" collection? ~S~ |
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09 Mar 05 - 12:02 AM (#1430254) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: GUEST,martha woida I am looking for a song with these lyrics: Way back in them hills where she left me to wonder it was on the old prairie where the sky was all gray she was a jewel on earth God rest her in heaven she would brighten the kingdom around Gods great throne |
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09 Mar 05 - 07:18 PM (#1431047) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D I think that's a common one done in Bluegrass gospel....let me look... |
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09 Mar 05 - 07:30 PM (#1431053) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D well, I found this in a tribute to Dale Evans: "Dale, Like the old song says "A Jewel on Earth, a jewel in Heaven, she brightens God's kingdom, around his great throne" I'm sure you do. You were a wonderful role model to us girls growing up in the late 50's/early 60's. We ALL wanted to be your friend & now we know we all are!" I can hear someone in my head singing it...like Bill Monroe, maybe? |
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09 Mar 05 - 07:42 PM (#1431058) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D ok...found it here The Precious Jewel Way back in the hills when a boy I once wandered Buried deep in the grave lies the one that I love She was called from this earth a jewel for heaven More pricious than diamonds more precious than gold A jewel here on earth a jewel in heaven She'll brighten the kingdom around God's Great Throne May the angels have peace God bless her in heaven They've broken my heart and they've left me to roam When a girl of sixteen we courted each other She promised someday to become my sweet wife I bought her the ring to wear on her finger But the angels they called her to heraven one night This world has its wealth it's trials and troubles Mother earth holds her treasures of diamonds and gold But it can't hold the soul of one precious jewel She is resting in peace with the heavenly fold |
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09 Mar 05 - 07:48 PM (#1431062) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D with that title, I found that Roy Acuff has done it |
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09 Mar 05 - 07:54 PM (#1431068) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D and you can hear it on Rose, the Record Lady's pages here, I think (page 18 in her Real Country archives list)it requires you to have Real Audio or some program that will play RealAudio files. |
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09 Mar 05 - 08:02 PM (#1431072) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D and it 'may' be that this link will work directly, if you have the program. |
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09 Mar 05 - 09:03 PM (#1431114) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Jerry Rasmussen I empathise with you, Q: There is a great wealth of material that will most likely never be heard again. Every once in awhile I run across a CD on some unfamiliar label, but it's very eratic, and if you don't happen to see it when it comes out, it will be gone before you blink your eyes. I just picked up a Fairfield Four CD, The Road To Glory on the Fuel 200 label. I have a couple of other CDs of there's that I don't believe are available any longer, and a wonderful video of them. Same with groups like the Radio Four (I picked up one of there albums on CD and doubt that it is still available. Unfortunately, businesses are called businesses because they are in business to make money. Whatever ends up being preserved will be through the love of smaller companies that are satisfied to limp along. And, they tend not to stick around too long. One group that is grossly under-represented on CD is one of the most famous and popular of all time... the Soul Stirrers. I have a friend who has a dozen albums, none of which have been reissued. I am aware of and have everything of theirs that is currently available on CD but it THEY are so ignored for reisues, what hope is there for the smaller groups? Jerry |
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09 Mar 05 - 10:44 PM (#1431177) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg Bill, I swear, you did SUCH a good job on that request-- I may make up a title and chorus sometime like it's a real request, just to see what you come up with! Be afraid. :~) And I will want sheet music too! ~Susan |
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10 Mar 05 - 11:23 AM (#1431570) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D *grin*...well, a few lines echoing in my head, plus the wondrous technology of Google and the nice folks who DO those web pages made it work. What was interesting was that it was one I had heard and Rita hadn't! and...lookee here at what I found from one of the links in my search ...a page of links to various old country music, one of which is http://www.garyscountry.com/ which has a dozen Gospel songs by ** Esco Hankins**, as well as other stuff... Now I ask you, ain't technology amazin'? (and it's YOU who should be afraid of what I might concoct just to confuzzle such a request!) |
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10 Mar 05 - 11:41 AM (#1431590) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg Bill, let's grab us a Nashville practice room and wrote us some gospel songs! ~S~ |
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10 Mar 05 - 12:32 PM (#1431637) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D but....I'm still overwhelmed by all the ones done BEEN wrought! (and you'd have to do all the lyrics, anyway!....I can't be trusted) |
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10 Mar 05 - 12:55 PM (#1431652) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg Trusted.... Well Bill, we're all sinners. :~) ~S~ |
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10 Mar 05 - 04:15 PM (#1431777) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D I'm flawed, imperfect and often a bit dense , but I don't think I'm a 'sinner' ;>) |
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10 Mar 05 - 04:57 PM (#1431815) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg Ah Bill, if you only knew. You define "sinner." :~) Well, enough of that eh! (Do you think people know we're jes' funnin'?) ~S~ |
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10 Mar 05 - 05:04 PM (#1431826) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: Bill D (they better!) "Oh, sinner man, where ya' gonna run to; all on that day?" Run to Susan's, WYSI, won't ya' hide me? hey..I can write 'em! |
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10 Mar 05 - 11:48 PM (#1432019) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg Hide me over in the rock of ages-- Rock of ages cleft for Bill..... ~S~ |
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13 Mar 05 - 09:29 AM (#1433606) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel Hard to Find From: wysiwyg Wings Over Jordan-- recordings held by the majors, or (where I found them) in a university collection? Unfortunately it's not an online exhibit. Anybody here have any recordings? ~Susan |
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13 Mar 05 - 05:52 PM (#1433860) Subject: RE: Folklore: Old Gospel (Recordings) Hard to Find From: masato sakurai Catalogue of Japan's P-Vine label. Click on red characters to see English titles. Many interesting limited-edition albums are now out of print and not listed. |