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19 Feb 05 - 05:21 AM (#1414761) Subject: Cadences=modern shanties? From: George Papavgeris I believe I am using the right word here - are the rhytmic chants of sergeants giving rhythm to marchin soldiers not called "cadences"? Plese correct me if I am wrong. In any case, assuming this is the right word... ...it strikes me that cadences are kind of working songs too, like the shanties (chanteys) of old. Sort of latter-day shanties. Why not collect some of them (and I bet there are some real gems out there!) and even try them out in clubs? Looking towards our American brethren mostly for inspiration, though I believe the UK armed forces use them too. -"All you with a twisted mind..." -"Let's all hear what you can find!" |
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19 Feb 05 - 05:24 AM (#1414765) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: Dave Hanson Not in the British Army, just an NCO whose mother and father weren't married bawling the timing at you. eric |
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19 Feb 05 - 05:34 AM (#1414772) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: George Papavgeris I see eric - sort of -"Mum and Dad were just good friends..." -"...so I shout to make amends!" |
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19 Feb 05 - 06:32 AM (#1414801) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: Dave Hanson Th US army I believe does use rhuthmic chants for marching and drill. eric |
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19 Feb 05 - 06:55 AM (#1414817) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: Susan of DT See the thread on "Military Jodies?" |
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19 Feb 05 - 08:10 AM (#1414867) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: GUEST UK military just sing bawdy songs to the required march tune ;-) twenty one never been done queen of all the virgins Nellie the cripple had only one nipple to feed the b**tard on aint it a pity she'd only one titty etc |
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19 Feb 05 - 09:08 AM (#1414907) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: Lighter Miltary "cadences," used mostly in training, are unofficially known as "jodies." Do a google search and you'll find plenty. The practice seems to have developed in the latter part of World War II, very probably among (segregated) black units. Most of the cadences go to one monotonous tune. The more songlike go to simple, familiar melodies like "Sipping Cider througha Straw." |
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19 Feb 05 - 10:24 AM (#1414941) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: Leadfingers To the best of my knowledge this is NOT the norm in the British Army And certainly wasnt happening when I was in the R.A.F. It would weem to be a predominantly American Forces practice ! |
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19 Feb 05 - 10:31 AM (#1414947) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: Lighter Nobody seems to have noticed previously (ahem!) that the classic "jody" tune is essentially that of "The Marrowbone Itch," an odd little song collected by the Lomaxes from Mike Brock (guitar acc. by Farmer Collett) at Middle Fork, Leslie Co., Ky., in 1937. It's in John A. Lomax & Alan Lomax, Our Singing Country (N.Y.: Macmillan, 1940), pp. 110-11. The tune is also used for "Hambone," in Wayne Erbsen's booklet "Front Porch Favorites," p.22. |
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19 Feb 05 - 12:52 PM (#1415051) Subject: RE: Cadences=modern shanties? From: George Papavgeris Leadfingers, were you in the RAF? I thought you'd been in the Royal Flying Corps;-) |