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17 Mar 05 - 11:57 PM (#1437406) Subject: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bev and Jerry The President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan, Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is it the new [Social Security] plan is going to fix that problem? Verbatim response: President Bush: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example,is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red. Bev and Jerry |
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18 Mar 05 - 12:00 AM (#1437409) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Little Hawk He sounds puzzled. He probably is. I really wish Chongo Chimp would just take over in Washington NOW and cut through all the crap with some simple, straight talk and straight action. |
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18 Mar 05 - 12:01 AM (#1437410) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace Jaysus, Joseph and Mary! |
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18 Mar 05 - 12:04 AM (#1437412) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace PS Bev and Jerry, That post belongs on the English to English thread. Doies anyone really know what he said? |
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18 Mar 05 - 12:11 AM (#1437413) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: DougR Hilarious, Bev and Jerry. DougR |
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18 Mar 05 - 01:01 AM (#1437434) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: CarolC Yes... so funny it's sad. |
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18 Mar 05 - 02:31 AM (#1437447) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Ebbie Bummer. He probably wasn't wearing his back pack. |
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18 Mar 05 - 03:10 AM (#1437454) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: katlaughing This is what is behind his real plan for SS, (emphasis is mine): University of Illinois at Chicago researchers Wednesday reported the rise in obesity will result in a drop in life expectancy. Professor S. Jay Olshansky's team, writing in the March 17 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, said obesity currently reduces life expectancy by four to nine months. The researchers said the life-span effects of obesity could rise two to five years in the next 50 years, possibly exceeding the current life-shortening effects of cancer or heart disease. Most life-span forecasts are based on historical trends, which the researchers said fail to consider the obesity epidemic. They noted obesity actually could help keep Social Security solvent because people will die younger. "One of the consequences of our prediction is that Social Security does not appear to be in nearly as bad a shape as we think," Olshansky said. "The obese may be inadvertently 'saving' Social Security, but the obese themselves and the healthcare Latest News about healthcare system that cares for them will pay a very heavy price in terms of higher death rates and escalating healthcare costs." |
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18 Mar 05 - 12:57 PM (#1437751) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: GUEST,brucie I have it on good authority that the Bush administration has found a way to turn oil into food. That is why the US invaded Iraq. So rest assured that all Americans will be fed. |
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18 Mar 05 - 12:59 PM (#1437752) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: GUEST,brucie PS I made that up. |
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18 Mar 05 - 03:48 PM (#1437884) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bill D it is REALLY facinating to watch the video of that remark and realize that this is "the leader of the free world" bumbling about, unable to explain his own pet project. I have seen it a couple of times, and it's proably on the WWW. |
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18 Mar 05 - 03:56 PM (#1437893) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bev and Jerry Aside from all of his other shortcomings which have been amply pointed out on this forum, W simply looks bad when he makes a public appearance. If he is reading a speech, like the state of the union or his inaugaral address, he appears fine. But if he has to speak extemperaneously, like in a press comference or answering questions from anyone, he can't even make a complete sentence. He looks especially bad when he appears with some other world leader or diplomat. They always appear smooth and prepared while Bush is fumbling around. When he speaks jointly with Tony Blair, who is used to answering questions in parliament and is very smooth (especially when he's lying), Bush looks especially bad. And his appearance at Buckingham Palace with the queen was laughable. Bev and Jerry |
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18 Mar 05 - 04:49 PM (#1437933) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Wesley S And he leans on the podium. He doesn't even stand up straight. He looks to me like a high school student that has to deliver a book report. |
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18 Mar 05 - 06:45 PM (#1438002) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bev and Jerry Every once in a while there's a camera angle from the side and you can see his feet. One is usually on the floor and the other up with his leg bent at the knee. After a while he shifts to standing on the other foot - just like a nervous kid who doesn't want to be speaking here. Bev and Jerry |
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18 Mar 05 - 07:31 PM (#1438025) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bobert If I were a college professor and a student turned in a paper with this response it would get a D.... at best. It has been said that C students run the world but, ahhhh, D students? Bobert |
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18 Mar 05 - 07:54 PM (#1438034) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bill D there are lots of pics posted...some you have no doubt seen charming the Kremlin boring the Pope but I think this may be my favorite in many ways captions welcome...I can't think of one |
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18 Mar 05 - 07:59 PM (#1438036) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: CarolC Bill... "The best way to a man's heart is through his stomach"? There's something about that picture of him with Putin that just doesn't look right. |
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18 Mar 05 - 08:36 PM (#1438050) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bev and Jerry "A compassionate conservative searching for his heart" Bev and Jerry |
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18 Mar 05 - 09:53 PM (#1438082) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace Doesn't get much clearer than this. |
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18 Mar 05 - 11:01 PM (#1438105) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bill D ya' lost me, brucie... |
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19 Mar 05 - 01:16 AM (#1438141) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: DougR Bev and Jerry: you are correct. George W. is a terrible extemporanious speaker. In informal situations, he does not handle himself well. That does not mean, however, that he is a dunce. Oh that we all were perfect. DougR |
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19 Mar 05 - 01:18 AM (#1438143) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: DougR Incidentially, Bush has not presented a plan. He has only presented portions of programs that he believes would strengthen SS for younger people. He is leaving it to Congress to develop a plan, and has stated that he is open to any suggestions. So far, the only "plan" the Democrats have proposed is to object to any ideas the President proposes. DougR |
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19 Mar 05 - 01:55 AM (#1438160) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bev and Jerry Doug: We didn't say he's a dunce. We don't think he's a dunce. Lies a lot, but not a dunce. The point is that he's an embarassment to us. We've been around a long time a we can't remember any American president who was an embarassment whenever he appeared in public unless he's reading a speech. Please don't bring up Clinton. He had extra-marital affairs as have several recent presidents but the only embarassment came when the republicans forced it out into the open. And as for the plan for fixing social secruity, you're absolutely right that he has not presented a plan for fixing it. He has, however, made countless speeches in which he first says social security is going "bankrupt" and then proceeds to try to sell his plan for private accounts as though that was a plan to fix it. Only recently, when asked the direct question, has he admitted that private accounts won't help the "bankruptcy" situation one bit. Bev and Jerry |
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19 Mar 05 - 03:32 PM (#1438434) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: DougR Yes, Bev. and Jerry, I am aware of everything you wrote in your last post. And I realize that nothing I write will change your opinion of George W. Bush. I belive, though, that history will show that Bush has been right, far more times than he has been wrong. Warts and all, I think he is a very effective President. As to the Iraq war, if anyone is so blind that they cannot see what is transpiring in the Middle-East, and the role Bush has played in that scenario, then I think there is little hope for them. Those who don't will just go on harping about the fact that WMD were not found, in Iraq and gripe about the war was about nothing but oil. DougR |
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19 Mar 05 - 05:02 PM (#1438472) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bev and Jerry Doug: You're probably right that nothing you write will change our opinion of W. You're definitely right that he has been very effective. He has accomplished a lot in his first term. In fact, it his effectiveness that worries us! Bev and Jerry |
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19 Mar 05 - 05:07 PM (#1438473) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace Sorry, Bill. Milk the cow until it's dry--and then slaughter it. |
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19 Mar 05 - 07:15 PM (#1438544) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Ebbie Jay Leno (Sorry, Bill D!) said that the president has offered his plan for revamping Social Security- he took the 'Security' out of it. |
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20 Mar 05 - 08:06 AM (#1438862) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Next election time you should all put aside your republican/democrat differences and concentrate on electing an English speaking president. In the UK Dubya would fail the recruitment test for the post of Janitor to a local council, which is a pity, as he would not be able to do quite so much damage there. What a shame our own home grown halfwit has his head so far up Dubya's arse, that he can't hear the nonsense being spewed forth. Two villages, one each side of the Atlantic, are missing their idiots. DT. |
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20 Mar 05 - 01:27 PM (#1439015) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: DougR DT: Bush has a speach impediment. His delivery is not as slick as Slick Willy's was, and nowhere near as good as Tony Blair's. In case you are not aware of it, however, such a handicap does not reflect on one's intelligence, and Bush is no dummy. DougR |
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20 Mar 05 - 03:58 PM (#1439117) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Stephen L. Rich I'd like to hear from more of the British 'Catters on this one. If I'm not mistaken, the UK tried this "personal accounts' thing (or something very much like it) back when Lady Thatcher was still the Prime Minister. It is now coming to light that it has achieved exactly the opposite of what its proponents claimed for it. Further, one of the most strident voices in the push to correct the mistake is Lady Thatcher herself. Stephen Lee |
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20 Mar 05 - 06:06 PM (#1439198) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Hi Doug, Speech impediment is it? After reading through the long list of totally inane comments attributed to your pres, I'd have to say it's a lot more than his speech that's not working properly. The passage quoted above is not the poor delivery of one who has trouble with words, but more like the incoherent ramblings of one whose cognitive processes are scrambled. The world should be very afraid when the only remaining superpower is led by such a man. IMHO he is at least as dangerous to world peace as Osama bin Laden, and much more likely to destroy the Western world. DT. |
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20 Mar 05 - 06:44 PM (#1439227) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Ebbie DonWYZT, that is exactly right. It seems quite credible that Bush was chosen for that very reason: the fact that he does not have a coherent thought in his head unless it is fed to him. He is getting better at spouting in a controlled environment but he has not yet reliably learned the words to the official message. |
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20 Mar 05 - 07:12 PM (#1439255) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: GUEST,Jon Is this one genuine? There seem to be a few comments here that indicate it is but that is almost unbelivable. |
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21 Mar 05 - 12:36 AM (#1439420) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace Jon, it takes a few secs to load. This is the source, I think. http://64.233. |
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21 Mar 05 - 01:53 AM (#1439429) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bev and Jerry We got it in an e-mail and the source was not included. Bev and Jerry |
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21 Mar 05 - 07:32 AM (#1439571) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: GUEST,Jon Thanks Brucie. It looks genuine enough to me. It reads to me as if he has got hold of some "key phrases" and has strung them together in haphazard fashion without having a clue as to what he is talking about. |
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21 Mar 05 - 08:17 AM (#1439597) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: harpgirl DougR...your defense of Bush as having a speech impediment is hilarious. Why don't you explain what Bush's ideas are on how to eliminate governmental involvement in protecting the American people in their old age? Since he can't. Could you survive financially without your Social Security pension and your wife's ? |
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21 Mar 05 - 01:27 PM (#1439800) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: CarolC It looks genuine enough to me. It reads to me as if he has got hold of some "key phrases" and has strung them together in haphazard fashion without having a clue as to what he is talking about. And that's probably exactly how it happened, too. Bush gets his "talking points" fed to him by Carl Rove (or someone like him) through an earpiece. |
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21 Mar 05 - 02:43 PM (#1439857) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Don(Wyziwyg)T The list of Bushisms is seemingly endless, but this is not an eccentric adademic a la Dr. Spooner. This is the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. I don't want to be on this planet on the day that a general asks "Mr. President, shall I tell them to push the button?". Am I the only person who is terrifed by that possibility? DT |
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21 Mar 05 - 02:47 PM (#1439863) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace Don, you are not alone. We continue to hope that his next few years simply 'go by' and that no further harm is done to this planet. But I fear that will not be the case. I am amazed that his keepers allow him out in public without duct taping his mouth. He seems to have a poor connection with reality. |
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21 Mar 05 - 08:18 PM (#1440075) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: GUEST,petr (according to a recent nyorker article) social security will not go into deficit spending until 30 years from now.. of course Bush has made it a priority to reform the system, by making it seem as if there is a looming crisis, mainly due to the boomers set to retire soon.. (of course the looming budgetary crisis, thanks to Bush's overspending combined with the tax cuts to the richest 10%, etc etc is conveniently ignored) those who are in favor of social security reform, often quote the Republican line of getting control over ones savings, to be able to invest them in the stock market (never mind all the recent financial scandals and busts weve had recently) are also under the impression they will be able to take out the money whenever they want. NOt so.. once you reach retirement age, whats in your retirement account will be paid out on a monthly basis.. the irony is that the ones it will hurt the most are those in the red states who rely on their social security more. |
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21 Mar 05 - 10:30 PM (#1440197) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Bobert Very good points, GUEST, petr... Yeah, according to recent articles in the Washington Post, Bush;s plan will almost insure that the folks at the lower end of the earnings scale will indeed diem uch the way their great, great grand-parents did: in abject poverty... Welcome to George Bush's "Compassionate Conservatism" whcih loosly translates to, ahhhhhh, "If you didn't want to die in poverty you should have picked rich parents"..... Bobert |
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21 Mar 05 - 11:41 PM (#1440236) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: DougR Moan, groan, bitch and wail. I think it's probably good therapy for you Bush haters. I hope you are all marching regularly in protests too, because walking is a healthy thing to do. Meanwhile, the sky is falling. DougR |
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21 Mar 05 - 11:47 PM (#1440242) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Ebbie Are you for real? |
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22 Mar 05 - 12:00 AM (#1440248) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace The sky's not falling, Doug, but the world ain't in such good shape. That worries many people, myself included. I will likely be dead by the time oil shortages hit and the Neocons control the whole thing, but my children won't, and that worries me very much. Bush ain't wrapped too tight, IMO, and I do not like those who pull his strings. |
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22 Mar 05 - 12:40 AM (#1440261) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Little Hawk Most passionate statements are statements of faith, when it comes right down to it... :-) Doug has faith in GW. Many of us don't. GW no doubt has faith in various things too, and it would be interesting to know what they are, as that would help explain why he does the things he does and says the things he says. |
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22 Mar 05 - 12:53 AM (#1440263) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: CarolC We don't hate him, DougR. At least I don't. But not hating him isn't going to stop me from noticing when things aren't right. |
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22 Mar 05 - 11:24 AM (#1440594) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: GUEST,Larry K According to the NY Times (that right wing newspaper) Bush has a higher IQ than Clinton. We also know that scored higher on his verbas SAT than Rhodes Scholar Bill Bradley. Yet hollywood high school dropouts and mudcatters call him stupid. They also called Reagan stupid. While democrats are focusing on blocking Social Security changes, and blocking judicial nominees, he is getting all of his agenda passed. If you disagree- name the last democratic bill or initiative that has passed. Lets see- Reagan defeated communism and took down the Berlin Wall. Bush freed 50 million people and changed the face of the Middle East. Clinton passed don't ask don't tell. Nixon has watergate, and Carter wore a sweater and explained why we had long gas lines and hostages in Iran. I think I prefer the "stupid" guy. I don't think we can survive more of the brilliant presidents. When I think of presidential embarrassements you can't help but think of Jimmy lust in my heart Carter, and William I never had sex with that woman Clinton. Historians have already rated tham as the most inept and the lowest moral (with Nixon) presidents. If Bush indeed changes the face of the Middle East and defeats terrorism, he may have a place on Mount Rushmore. (next to Reagan) As Doug said- Bush hasn't presented his plan yet. I am sure that you will be against it- whatever it is. |
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22 Mar 05 - 11:35 AM (#1440602) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: CarolC He may not be stupid, Larry K, but he sure as hell doesn't have any real understanding of what he's talking about. |
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22 Mar 05 - 02:57 PM (#1440833) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace Larry: He has a PLAN? Cool.That settles it then. Bush has a plan. |
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22 Mar 05 - 05:57 PM (#1441005) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Ebbie Come on, DougR, Larry K and whoever else. Dubya's problem is not with his tongue but is settled much farther back in his head. His brain may be smart- the verdict is not in - but his mind is seriously scrambled. If anyone of us on Mudcat found ourselves unable to explain a pet issue any better than that, you would have a scoff fest, with good reason. As for Reagan, he too may have been smart at some time in his life - but it wasn't during the time he was president. Europeans were aware of his problem long before Americans were. Our 'liberal' media shielded him from us very effectively. |
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22 Mar 05 - 06:00 PM (#1441012) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Once Famous Larry K's post is quite accurate. have to say the responses to it were all pretty lame. Nice going as usual, Larry K |
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22 Mar 05 - 07:48 PM (#1441109) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Little Hawk And...the glorious juggernaught of partisan politics rolls on...! With the usual folks lined up on either side of it. :-) How can Bush "defeat terrorism" when he's engaging in it himself? Remember: the "terrorist" is ALWAYS on the other side. That's how it works. Hitler invaded Poland to stop terrorism too. :-) |
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22 Mar 05 - 08:21 PM (#1441138) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Nerd Yeah, LarryK is right. Historians think of Carter as one of the least moral Presidents. Come ON, LarryK! Here is another of LarryK's lies: According to the NY Times (that right wing newspaper) Bush has a higher IQ than Clinton. In fact, the Times said nothing of the kind. They interviewed a guy who claims he is adept at estimating IQs from other tests--Bush never had his IQ tested, but he did take similar tests in the National Guard. This guy claimed that Bush had an IQ "about the same" as KERRY, not Clinton, who is smarter than either of them. Sorry, LarryK! The problem with the analysis is that it is based on tests the two ment took at age 22. Since then, Bush has been an alcoholic and possibly a cocaine addict. This damages the brain. I'm not saying that Bush is or isn't dumb; I'm just saying it is quite plausible that he is now less intelligent than he was when the test was taken. |
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22 Mar 05 - 08:23 PM (#1441142) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Larry K, Intelligence quotient tests bear no relationship to ability to apply common sense to a problem. Most geniuses are smart only in a narrow area of knowledge, and may often be so bad in other areas, that they would, in those ares, qualify as stupid. I would suggest, for Dubya, that running a country, and dealing with other nations fall within that category. Carol C, I agree with you entirely. I don't hate him. He simply scares the shit out of me while he controls the warmaking capabilities of the USA. If I met him in some other capacity, I might quite like the guy, odd tho' that might seem. Don T. |
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22 Mar 05 - 09:16 PM (#1441180) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace I for one am comforted to know that Bush has a plan. |
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22 Mar 05 - 10:20 PM (#1441208) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Little Hawk Mao had a plan too, didn't he? :-) Pol Pot had a plan. Saddam Hussein had a plan. Most dictators have a plan. I pity a dictator who doesn't have a plan. I don't think George IIIrd of England had one...or maybe it was more that he just didn't have a clue... |
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22 Mar 05 - 10:25 PM (#1441211) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Peace Ask Chongo if he feels better knowing Bush has a plan. |
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22 Mar 05 - 10:36 PM (#1441216) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Little Hawk Chongo regards Bush as an extremely loose cannon. He says Bush kind of reminds him of Dutch Shulz. He liked Bill Clinton. He doesn't like Hillary for some reason, though. He was almost completely uninterested in Kerry. |
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22 Mar 05 - 10:54 PM (#1441234) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: Greg F. Tricky Dick Nixon had a secret plan, too, & that one worked a real treat. What's needed is a little less faith (and Faith) and a lot more attention to fact & reality. |
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22 Mar 05 - 11:08 PM (#1441244) Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan From: susu Bill D, my first thought when I saw that pic was So it is true, the way to a mans heart is through his stomach! but thats just me. Susu |
