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Origins: Solidarity Forever

07 Apr 05 - 06:01 PM (#1454808)
Subject: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: GUEST,EBarnacle

I was looking through the program book for a union meeting today and noticed that Solidarity Forever it not attributed.

Does anyone know who wrote it or translated it and when?

If a union is using a song that is in copyright, shouldn't they be paying residuals to the estate of the author?


07 Apr 05 - 07:02 PM (#1454875)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Ralph Chaplin, 1915, so I presume it is in the public domain.
This is noted with the song in the DT, right here at Mudcat.

Always look here first.


07 Apr 05 - 08:14 PM (#1454936)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: greg stephens

Just to be pedantic, "composer" normally refers to the person who wrote the music. Who is (a) unknown, and (b) undoubtedly dead for a very very long time as the tune was popular in 1860. So there wont be any copyright problem there!


07 Apr 05 - 08:36 PM (#1454953)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: masato sakurai

If the music is in question, see this thread: req/add: Say Brothers Will You Meet Us?.


07 Apr 05 - 08:43 PM (#1454961)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: masato sakurai

And this: Origins:John Brown's Body/ Battle Hymn of Republic.


07 Apr 05 - 09:57 PM (#1454995)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Stilly River Sage

Interesting. The university library where I work has a large collection of regional trade union materials housed in the Special Collections. I'll send myself a reminder to take a look and see if they hold any music resources along with all of the signs and meeting notes and such.

SRS


07 Apr 05 - 10:07 PM (#1455005)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Peace

www.historyworksohio.org/pdf/lyrics.pdf

Worth looking at, IMO.


08 Apr 05 - 03:58 PM (#1455528)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: GUEST,EBarnacle

Since the author died in 1915, is his work still within copyright under the current interpretation of the law--100 years after the death of the artist and under the control of his estate?


08 Apr 05 - 06:30 PM (#1455699)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Ralph Chaplin, 1887-1961. He was a curator with the Washington State Historical Society from 1949-1961.


08 Apr 05 - 08:17 PM (#1455810)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: GUEST,Dave'sWife at work

Silly me! What with all the references to songs about The Pope, I asumed this might be a song about SOLIDARITY, the Polish Union!

Shame on me, daughter of a fine Union Man, Grandaughter of fine Union Maids and Men.. I'm slapping my own wrist as punishment for my ignorance.

I'm gonna go see if there are songs about the union, Solidarity. There must be!


09 Apr 05 - 12:44 AM (#1455943)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: OtherDave

To answer Barnacle's copyright question: in the United States, any work published prior to 1923 is in the public domain.

Here's a handy chart by Lolly Gasaway of the U. of North Carolina:
When Works Pass into the Public Domain


09 Apr 05 - 02:01 AM (#1455966)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Dave'sWife

Here are some links to Folk Songs about The Polish Union, Solidarity found on the PBS webiste:

Polish Lyrics


English Lyrics



Here are the titles of the songs and the limited comments on those songs:

"Old Man" from Gdan'sk
The tune is traditional. The text is about the negotiations. "Pyk, pyk" means "puff, puff," as when smoking a pipe, and the name of the chief negotiator was Pyka.

Our Demands (Zsdania)
There was enormous increase in poem-writing during the strike. This is one of those poems.

A Ballad from a Shipyard
. (it's to the tune of The Times They Are a Changin')

Postulate 22
The striking workers made a list of 21 demands to the government. This is the 22nd demand, and the very prerequisite of the others. This poem became somewhat of a signature of the trade movement. It was set to several different melodies.

The Song of the Free Trade Unions
An old Polish folk-song with a new text. There are many parallels to the old American trade union songs


All these songs can be found here:
"Solidarity! Postulat 22 - Songs from the New Polish Labour Movement," Smithsonian Folkways Records, F-37251. Produced by J├Ârgen Widsell and Lars Holmberg in cooperation with the trade union Solidarnosc in Gdansk, 1981.


09 Apr 05 - 02:41 AM (#1455972)
Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Dave'sWife

another song about Solidarity in Poland:

"Saturdays in Silesia," by Rational Youth
Canadians will probably be the only ones who remember this song from the album "Cold War Night Life". This 1982 tune was inspired by the famous Lech Walesa-led strike at the Gdansk Shipyard in Poland. Many of you may remember the popular t-shirts of the time with "Solidarity" printed on them.
From THIS page about Cold War songs



Found this odd reference to the fact that Lech Welesa hangs out in internet chatrooms!
Click here for nice interview with Lech Walesa
Check out this Quote:
>I am a person interested in the development of technology. I use many different gadgets connected with computers; I use PCs, laptops and a Palm Pilot. I also use the Internet to visit websites, especially within Polish-language Internet. I usually go to political discussion groups and sites -- of course, as I use my real name, people never believe that they are chatting with me!< Lech Welesa (or Walesa depending upon your spelling preference)

Maybe he'll come to the Mudcat!!