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13 Dec 98 - 09:09 PM (#49339) Subject: Tom Williams From: Brack& A friend has asked me to get the words of this ballad about Tom Williams. I have a couple of versions of a song called Tom Williams but he says it's not the right one. The one wants contains the words "My name is Tom Williams, I am ** years of age. Can anyone help? Regards Mick Bracken |
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13 Dec 98 - 09:15 PM (#49342) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brack& I forgot to mention that this is an Irish song!! |
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13 Dec 98 - 11:00 PM (#49357) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Reta Fain Hi Tom; I have a books of old Irish ballads and the only one that comes close to what you asking for is "General Munroe." It is common for the name to be changed to suit the singer and perhaps that is the case here. First verse: My name is George Campbell. At the age of eighteen, I joined the United Men to strive for the green, And many a battle I did undergo, With that hero commander, brave General Munroe. Have you heard of the battle of Ballinahinch, Where the people oppressed rose up in defence? When Munroe left the mountains, his men took the field, And they fought for twelve hours and never did yield. There are the first two verses. He will be able to tell from them I'm sure. The music is in the book also but not with chords. I would have to have it copied if he wants it. Let me know. My e-mail is retafain@mindspring.com Regards and luck. Reta |
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13 Dec 98 - 11:43 PM (#49361) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Reta Fain Good lord, I hope you can read my message. I just re-read it and I don't recall all the mistakes. I am sending this just to see if it goes alright. I could hardly make some of the other one out. The worst part was where I was explaining that it was common for the singer to change the name in songs to suit himself and that is perhaps what happened in this instance. The e-mail address is retafain@mindspring.com I'm sorry the other is so messy. Regards. Reta |
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14 Dec 98 - 12:12 AM (#49363) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Big Mick Mick, I have it somewhere, it may take a few days, but I will find it. All the best, Mick Lane |
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16 Dec 98 - 04:57 PM (#49810) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Roddy Tom Williams. Tried and condemned to death for the murder of a policeman in Belfast in the 1940's. Subsequently hanged in Crumlin Road Gaol in the same city. His execution immortalised him in the pantheon of IRA heroes, much in the same way as happened to Kevin Barry. Roddy |
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20 Dec 98 - 08:48 PM (#50368) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brack& Any luck Mick? |
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22 Dec 98 - 05:05 PM (#50525) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: MG Was Tom Williams the last person executed in Ireland ? MG |
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23 Dec 98 - 01:10 AM (#50607) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Big Mick Still looking, Mick. I have it somewhere, but I haven't found it yet. Got a gig Sunday and Monday, and I will be practicing. That gives me a good reason to go through my collection. I will check it out this weekend. Mick |
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27 Apr 99 - 02:04 PM (#73787) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brakn Refresh |
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27 Apr 99 - 05:41 PM (#73831) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Philippa I'm familiar with a song about the to which Roddy refers, "bold Tom Williams we salute you...". But I wonder whether the request could be for Johnny McEvoy's song about John Williams?? |
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28 Apr 99 - 02:40 PM (#74081) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Roddy Tom Williams was not the last person executed in Ireland. That dubious distinction goes to a Robert Mc Gladdery for the murder of Pearl Gamble in Newry in the 1950's. Roddy |
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19 Jan 00 - 05:54 PM (#165451) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: GUEST,Philippa for your information: Tom Williams was re-interred today at Milltown Cemetary, Belfast |
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19 Jan 00 - 08:48 PM (#165535) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: GUEST,Roddy Yes, Philippa, but not in the Republican Plot in Milltown Cemetery, Belfast. His family insisted that he be buried in the family plot. The Republicans, thus robbed of a "great occasion" have decided to stage a demonstration in his memory this Sunday at the Republican Plot and as a result black flags have appeared in so called "Republican" areas of Belfast. The main arterial route North out of the city is bedecked in these ritualistic pieces of cloth. No doubt they'll remian there - like the miriad tricolours - to rot in the wind and rain. So much for respect! I noticed this evening that they were being erected in cover of darkness. I wonder why!! Roddy |
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19 Jan 00 - 11:37 PM (#165609) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Thomas Covenant Where are the 'so called Republican areas of Belfast' then Roddy, and what are the 'ritualistic pieces of cloth'?. Do you have the words of the song or not?, because that is what this thread is about - not your rhetoric. |
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20 Jan 00 - 04:50 AM (#165648) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brakn Again A friend has asked me to get the words of this ballad about Tom Williams. I have a couple of versions of a song called Tom Williams but he says it's not the right one. The one he wants contains the words "My name is Tom Williams, I am ** years of age. Can anyone help? Regards Mick Bracken |
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20 Jan 00 - 09:56 AM (#165701) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: paddymac A question of semantics, Roddy. When republicans have a memorial for one of their fallen heros, you term it a "demonstration". Would you use the same phrase in the same sense to characterize an orange march? Is it not a memorial for a fallen (well, dead anyway) hero in their tradition? |
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20 Jan 00 - 06:08 PM (#165865) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy Mick. I used to play with a Belfast based band in the late '70's, early '80's, and the lead singer used to sing it, with us backing. It has been so long that I now only have fragments of the song. I will try my best to try and get in touch with yer man over the weekend, trouble is, I don't think it is all that easy to get in touch with him, if you know what I mean. Great song. As for the man himself, well I think my views are clear on issues like this. I'll see what I can do. B. |
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20 Jan 00 - 08:07 PM (#165934) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brakn See what you can do Brendy. There is alot of drink at stake. My friend said I'd never find it. Mick Bracken |
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20 Jan 00 - 10:20 PM (#165985) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy Yo there Mick. I've gone and E-mailed a few people, and I think perhaps we could well be in luck over the weekend. In the meantime have a look at this I've already mailed these people, and I think that they may get back to me before too long, if my mates don't do it first. Tiocfáidh ar lá Brendy PS I hope the link works |
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20 Jan 00 - 11:12 PM (#166019) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Thomas Covenant from the same newspaper, incase you missed it. |
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21 Jan 00 - 12:50 AM (#166100) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: paddymac Amen! |
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21 Jan 00 - 01:24 AM (#166110) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: GUEST,Roddy Hi, Reta, This is supposed to be a forum for musicians and those interested in Music. I personally don't welcome political intrusions which have no musical validity and I suspect that Alison doesn't either, though I wouldn't dare speak on her behalf. I'm sorry if you might feel miffed by these opinions, but they are a reaction to those who would prefer to forget the likes of me who have suffered 30 years and who still have managed to keep a sense of proportion. I have no wish to continue along this line and will make no further comment, but I felt that I had to speak up. Please do not take offence. Roddy I just wanted to say that this is a post of mine from Jan 1999, and of course totally contradicts what I said in the above post. Sorry about the references I made about political intrusions. I am now going to self mutilate myself in the most horriblest of ways. Sorry again |
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21 Jan 00 - 09:26 PM (#166454) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy Mmmmmm right! Mick, I got a comfirmation by E-mail from the editor this evening saying they would "Get to work on it"
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22 Jan 00 - 03:16 AM (#166585) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: paddymac Roddy - my sense is that most folks would just like to see the insanity stop and enable people to get on with normal lives. The kind of blind hatred that seems to infect so many people in NI is irrational, diseconomic, and largely incomprehensible to anyone matured outside that microcosm. Slan. |
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22 Jan 00 - 03:28 AM (#166586) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy I wasn't going to mention it at the time, paddy, but I have a distinct feeling that an invisible hand was at work there. After all we have seen and heard here, a large dose of magnanimity was the last thing I expected. If I am wrong about this, I apologise Roddy; not that I agree with you about that which I first replied to you on this thread, but there is a fair bit of paranoia going around at the minute, and it has shaken quite a lot of people. Brendy. |
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22 Jan 00 - 08:07 AM (#166613) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: GUEST,Roddy Who is GUEST, Roddy. There was quite a lot of trouble recently as someone on another thread used someone else's name in an insulting fashion. Is someone doing the same with my name ? To answer some questions: The "ritualistic pieces of sloth" are the black flags periodically hung from lamp-standards and houses and also the Tricolours which are misused by being left out in wind, rain, snow and sleet to rot away from neglect and disrespect. They perform the same function as red-white-and-blue kerbstones and dog's wee - they mark out territory. paddymac: semantics is everything. Semantics is about the meanings of words. Without meaning there can be no communication. A memorial is a monument and cannot be a demonstration. Ignoring semantics leads to the sort of misunderstanding you have just shown. Orange marches do not mark the deaths of their "fallen heroes" but the triumph of the Dutch monarch (William lll, Protestant) over the pretender to the English throne (James ll, Catholic)in a campaign fought in Ireland in the late C17. Anything else is a late development. In the immortal words of an Orange leader recently a propos a march through a Catholic area "There's not much point to marching through Protestant areas where we are welcome." That just about sums it up. Roddy (the genuine one.) |
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22 Jan 00 - 08:09 AM (#166614) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: GUEST,Roddy Ah, now I see. Members do not have the word GUEST preposed to their name. Is there some point to this ? GUEST,Roddy |
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22 Jan 00 - 06:43 PM (#166909) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: GUEST,Philippa Roddy, you'll get further information regarding our 'guest' status at Max manouvres |
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24 Jan 00 - 04:16 AM (#167461) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy I was only going to refresh this, as I am waiting for the words to come through by mail today sometime (hopefully), but, nice to see you back, Roddy. I'm sure by now you've figured all the manoevering and stuff out, which is why I raised my eyebrows a bit when I read 'your' post. But please man: 'ritualistic pieces of cloth'. The same thing could be said about tablecloths, curtains, clothing, even bedsheets. It's all a question of semantics. And it's all a question of which side you look at it from. Anyway, due in the studio at 11.00, back later, Brendy.
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23 Aug 00 - 06:38 AM (#283110) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy Mick, If you see this, I have to tell you, that above all songs this one has been the hardest to track down. I didn't get any reply from the editors after that last one, and have periodically searched for it since. I'll be heading back, soon, and I will be meeting a mate of mine who I know has the words to this. In the meantime, lets see what a quick refresh does!!!. Beannachtaí. B. |
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23 Aug 00 - 11:09 AM (#283227) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brakn Thanks Brendy |
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23 Aug 00 - 03:45 PM (#283404) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: paddymac On 02 Sep 1942, nineteen year-old Tom Williams became the first republican "officially" executed in the Northern Ireland statelet and the last republican to be hanged in the Crumlin Road Gaol by the forces of the crown in Northern Ireland, despite appeals from the Pope, Eamon De Valera, Sean McBride, and then U.S. Secretary of State Cordell Hall. Williams, then a two-year veteran in IRA activities, had led a raid designed to provide a diversion to enable a planned commemoration of the Easter Rising. The action went wrong, and after firing over an RUC vehicle, the team of six holed up in a house which was surrounded by the RUC. As the RUC approached the house, there was an exchange of gunfire in which Patrick Murphy, an RC member of the RUC, and Williams were shot. Murphy died at the scene and Williams and the others were captured. Told that he was dying anyway, Williams pled guilty to save his colleagues. The other five were reprieved three days before Williams was hanged. |
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23 Aug 00 - 06:39 PM (#283528) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Jimmy C TOM WILLIAMS I know of no other song about Tom Williams except the following. This is from memory and a few of the words may not be correct but most of the song is here. Time goes by as years roll onwards but in my memory fresh I'll keep Of a night in Belfast prison, unshamefully I saw men weep. For the time was fast approaching a lad lay sentenced for to die, And on the second of September he goes to meet his God on high. Now he's walking to the scaffold. Head erect, he shows no fear; For on his proud and gallant shoulders Ireland's cross he holds so dear. Now the cruel blow has fallen. For Ireland he has fought and died; And we the countrymen who bore him will love and honour him with pride. So come all you Irish rebels If from the path you chance to stray Bear in memory of the morn When Irelands cross was proudly borne By a lad who lay within these prison walls. |
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23 Aug 00 - 08:58 PM (#283628) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: paddymac Beautiful words, Jimmy. Do you have a melody for it? |
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24 Aug 00 - 04:47 PM (#284366) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Jimmy C I have the melody but it's in my head and I can't get it onto the thread. I will try but it may take some time. It is a slow continuous air. I will play it on my banjo and try to submit it in ABC. I have a recording of the Flying Column singing it, the lead singer Eamon Largey(R.I.P) was a close boyhood friend of mine, the song is close to my heart as the Crumlin Road prison was a 5 minute walk from my home. I may be able to copy the recording - email me at Jcushnan@home.com and I will send you the tape. Slainte |
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24 Aug 00 - 05:03 PM (#284381) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy That's the one!!! Isn't there not another verse at the end, though, Jimmy, that goes something like: "Brave Tom Williams, we salute you...." As I now salute you, for solving a query that has really bugged me since I first noticed this thread. The lad who used to sing this song, when we played it was from Amcomri Street. Go raibh maith agat, a Shéamas. B. |
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24 Aug 00 - 05:11 PM (#284392) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy Although that is the version of the song , that I was thinking of, Jimmy, I notice that Mick quoted these words, as being part of the song that he was talking about: "My name is Tom Williams, I am ** years of age." Thanks for that one, though. I've been looking for those words for ages. go fóill B. |
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24 Aug 00 - 08:14 PM (#284545) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Jimmy C Brendy - you are right - there is another verse - thanks for jogging my memory.
Brave Tom Williams we salute you I think this comes after "Love and honour him with pride." and before "So come all you" Slan agat |
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24 Aug 00 - 08:55 PM (#284569) Subject: RE: Tom Williams From: Brendy Yes!!!! Good man, Jimmy B. |
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24 Aug 00 - 09:27 PM (#284595) Subject: Lyr Add: TOM WILLIAMS From: Brendy TOM WILLIAMS Time goes by as years roll onwards But in my memory fresh I'll keep Of a night in Belfast Prison Unshamefully I saw men weep For the time was fast approaching A lad lay sentenced for to die And on the second of September He goes to meet his god on high Now he's walking to the scaffold Head erect he shows no fear For on his proud and gallant shoulders Ireland's cross he holds so dear Now the cruel blow has fallen For Ireland he has fought and died And we the countrymen who bore him Will love and honour him with pride Brave Tom Williams we salute you And we never will forget Those who planned your cruel murder we vow to make them all regret So come all you Irish rebels If from the path you chance to stray Bear in memory of the morn, when Irelands cross was proudly borne by a lad who lay within these prison walls. Submitted by Jimmy C ^^ B. |
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22 Jun 07 - 05:13 PM (#2084381) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tom Williams From: GUEST www.myspace.com/mairiacahill1 for the melody |