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30 May 05 - 10:01 AM (#1496056) Subject: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Ophelia Noticed the BNP PPB thread awhile back, has everyone seen this now. http://www.bnp.org.uk/reg_showarticle.php?contentID=236 Its the BNP's folk BBQ. Picture of David Hannam too. Nice to put a face to the name. Seems like the BNP is serious about breaking into the folk scene |
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30 May 05 - 10:04 AM (#1496059) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Alba lol |
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30 May 05 - 10:17 AM (#1496064) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Peace The sooner this thread is ignored the sooner it will go away. Bruce Murdoch |
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30 May 05 - 10:34 AM (#1496072) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Lionheart Bloody hell Bruce, i don't agree with the BNP, but this is a Folk Forum. I can see why it was posted on here. You have to stop trying to stifle these threads just because you disagree with them. After all, i agreed with everything you wrote on the last PPB thread, but i don't like you making ethical decisions for the rest of us. Destroying a thread by urging us all to boycott, it is not fair! |
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30 May 05 - 11:04 AM (#1496079) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Peace Yeah, you're probably right. Racists have as much right to have folk festivals as non racists. "but i don't like you making ethical decisions for the rest of us." If I was in a position of authority here-which I'm not--then you might rightly make that statement. However, I was stating an opinion, much as you did. I think the BNP should be destroyed. Never mind the thread. Have a nice day. |
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30 May 05 - 11:09 AM (#1496081) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Peace PS Lionheart: You are that in name, not deed. A lionheart would have posted under his own name. Likely you are another BNP promoter. Why do we allow Nazis on the 'cat? I know, I know. |
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30 May 05 - 12:03 PM (#1496106) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Lionheart Yes Brucie and i was disagreeing with your opinion. Don't call me a BNP promotor. I don't agree with a single thing the BNP stand for. I think they are inherently racist and wrong, all i was saying was that we cant go around boycotting this that because we disagree with it. The BNP whether we like it or not did gain one million votes last 2004 elections, which makes them a serious threat and to ignore them is at our peril. I dont agree with them but i thought this was a folk forum and so i put my political differenes with the BNP slightly to the side and take interest in their folk route. All im interested in is whether their music is good or tripe. You attack me for not posting under my real name?? How many people on here don't post under their real name? Lots, so why attack me? My real name is Richard Braithwaite, but that really is none of your business. Did any you BNP'ers who posted on the previous thread go to this Folk BBQ? If so, what type of music was played? And was it any good? Honestly!!!! |
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30 May 05 - 12:05 PM (#1496107) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST Ignore him., he's having another of his Jekyll and Hyde turns. |
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30 May 05 - 02:53 PM (#1496186) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Peace "but that really is none of your business." And what I post is really none of yours now, is it? |
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30 May 05 - 04:42 PM (#1496237) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Lionheart "And what I post is really none of yours now, is it?" No my name really is NONE of your business, though i have told you it. it is one thing me debating a point or issue with you, that is OUR business, hence the whole idea of a forum, you know that thing where matters are discussed with each other, but my name is not the issue nor the subject at matter. |
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30 May 05 - 05:00 PM (#1496251) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Once Famous The only thing I like about it is that exposes what really goes on in a good part of the British folk scene. Unfortunate for those who are not a part of it. But it is those who have to fix the situation the most. |
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30 May 05 - 05:10 PM (#1496266) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Allen Personally, I couldn't go to something organised or endorsed by the BNP, no matter how good the music. |
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30 May 05 - 05:25 PM (#1496285) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST America |
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30 May 05 - 05:38 PM (#1496293) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST Sort your own country out Gibson "KKK" before you start on one you have no knowledge. |
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30 May 05 - 05:41 PM (#1496298) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Once Famous The KKK, Guest? Not very relevant in the mainstream any more. Exists yes, to a degree. But has nothing to do with folk music for sure, moron. |
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31 May 05 - 04:09 AM (#1496549) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST Why have you posted a KKK link? This is about folk music, and the BNP's attempt to get involved, and therefore a British issue, (not wanting to sound too overly nationalistic there) so why post an american KKK Site on here? |
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31 May 05 - 04:36 AM (#1496563) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Doktor Doktor Goddamit! British Folk's always been a hotbed of The Left (discuss .....) so lets stop griping & get out the songs - can't be many that actually fit the BNP's ethic, surely? |
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31 May 05 - 04:47 AM (#1496565) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Jon The other link was more interesting to me and relavent to Martin Gibson's comments. Here is part of the first post. The owner of the Bevo Mill on Monday canceled a folk music festival scheduled for this weekend after learning that the event was affiliated with the National Alliance, considered one of the nation's biggest neo-Nazi groups. It seems from that that the US has the same problem as the UK... Perhaps worse, and for longer - the BNP only seems to have moved into folk music recently and contary to what Martin says, it doesn't extend into a good deal of the British folk scene although I don't think they will be going away in a hurry. |
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31 May 05 - 04:57 AM (#1496569) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Don (Wysiwyg) T by the back door That's much more to the point. For sure, there's not much in the British folk tradition that would give pleasure to a BNP member, so, unless they are producing their own songs, there wouldn't be much to object to in the music itself. But I would not go to a BBQ run by the BNP because I don't like anything about them, or their policies and aims. By the same token, I would turn down an invitation to a BBQ from a neighbour I didn't like. I still would not try, however, to stop them from holding a BBQ, and inviting whomever they wished. Don T. |
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31 May 05 - 05:29 AM (#1496582) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: George Papavgeris Even if the BNP stages the best festival with the best acts right on my doorstep, I wouldn't go - simply because I don't want to fill up their coffers with my money or increase their publicity with one more presence. So it is of no relevance to me how good their folk music is. |
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31 May 05 - 05:49 AM (#1496586) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Allen Quite. |
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31 May 05 - 05:51 AM (#1496588) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: greg stephens I thought i would have a look at this thread as it is labelled "Review", and I suppose I was faintly interested to see who was reviewing a BNP festival, and what they would say about it. Well, I've read the thread, and where is the review? |
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31 May 05 - 05:55 AM (#1496590) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Jon You must have missed the URL in the first post. http://www.bnp.org.uk/reg_showarticle.php?contentID=236 |
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31 May 05 - 06:06 AM (#1496593) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Flamenco ted What an excellent display of cooked meat! No Veggies there! |
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31 May 05 - 06:19 AM (#1496600) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: George Papavgeris I guess not... no such perversions there! It strikes me that, but for the difference over matters Jewish, our own Martin Gibbon's views as expressed on this forum do not actually differ that much from the BNP's. All their towelhead pinko liberal commie tree-hugging white supremacy me-first fag-loving bum-boy sex-pervert prejudices are the same. Ironic, isn't it? |
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31 May 05 - 06:31 AM (#1496602) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST Exactly El Greko spot on - It is all to obvious that Gibson is trying to recruit Americans to start his own branch of the BNP in America. The ANP would promote subjects close to his heart (if he has one). |
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31 May 05 - 04:09 PM (#1496834) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Dita A very strange review, as with one exception, no artists are named. I wonder why? John |
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01 Jun 05 - 12:50 AM (#1497141) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Peter Kasin This event, judging by their website and comments here, looks to be something along the lines of the "NordicFest" and "EuroFest" events U.S. Neo-Nazi type groups host. Not your typical folk festival! Chanteyranger |
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01 Jun 05 - 03:33 AM (#1497179) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: John MacKenzie As it was published by the BNP itself it is hardly likely to be objective is it? I really do think that this is irrelevant, particularly above the line. If I included a critique of a couple of folk songs sung by somebody you'd never heard of in a report about a fund raiser for Saddam Hussein, would that make it acceptable? Giok |
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01 Jun 05 - 03:44 AM (#1497189) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST Look, folk(ie)s - this is NOT about folk and NOT about music either. This thread, and all other such threads started anonymously referring to the BNP are about BNP ITSELF. Thei objective is to draw you into a discussion, on the off chance that once in a blue moon one of you might be interested to find out more. Look, how many of you have visited their website because of this message, that is a small win for them already. They are trying to infiltrate every community you care to think of, in this way. Music communities, sports communities, civil action groups, aid organisations, you name it, they're after it. So leave the fuckers well alone. Let such threads die. I know that by writing this I am giving this thread another boost to the top, but how else to warn you? And yes, I am a member, but I have good reason not to want to be identified by the BNP. One day soon I expect to be in their sights, just as some friends of mine are already - but I don't want to hasten the process. |
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01 Jun 05 - 04:22 AM (#1497211) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,BNP Attendee I was asked if i would be willing to come on here and give a short review of the BNP folk festival. My name is John, folkies in Hull know me as 'Piper'. I was invited by David Hannam to attend the BNP Folk Festival and see for myself what i thought.. I personally don't like the BNP in principal, which is why David said it would be better for me to go than someone who did. Here is just a few comments on a few of the several acts that performed. sorry, its not a real indepth review as im a busy guy and i gotta get to work soon. A guy called Colin started the nights acts with a few songs, including 'Send the buggers back' which got the usual laugh. At first i thought this was the beginning of a racist entourage of songs, but to be fair, it was the BNP clearly taking the P** out of themselves. There were several acts on through the night. First was two young girls, one with violin and one singing lead vocal, they did a few very well known english folk songs, Green Fields of France, and even Kate Rusby cover. They were actually very good. I spoke to the female vocalist after and she seemed knowledgable about folk to a scary degree. Other highlight was David Hannam, who did to be fair give a decent performance. Highlight for me was when he sang 'I want you' by Dylan. Funny version, lots of character. He should really have stuck however to his own stuff which suited his voice a lot more, and was actually decent material. As for dislikes, it was cold! I went away still not agreeing with a single thing the BNP stands for, and regard them as a threat to a tolerant Britain. I can't say i heard or saw anything much racist, albeit but a few jokes maybe in bad taste, but other than that id say the bnp are to be watched. it was well organised well attended with decent music. this event was recorded i understood for dvd release but i urge no-one to buy it. one thing talking to em, one thing tolerating em, another thing lining their pockets. |
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01 Jun 05 - 11:04 AM (#1497399) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: kendall Old Maine proverb: Your opinion of me is none of my business. |
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01 Jun 05 - 11:07 AM (#1497402) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST "Old Maine proverb: Your opinion of me is none of my business". How nice of you to share that. What does it mean in relation to thread? |
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01 Jun 05 - 12:12 PM (#1497438) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: John Routledge Why the problem with political agendas? The last UK Folk Revival was almost entirely politically motivated. |
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01 Jun 05 - 02:50 PM (#1497528) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: greg stephens I have no problems at all with political agendas as such, just political agendas I disagree with. Some people think Jews should be put in concentration camps, some think they shouldn't. I have no problem with the second position, but considerable problems with the first. And I certainly don't want to go to a folk festival where it is advocated. |
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01 Jun 05 - 02:54 PM (#1497529) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Peace About this group of folkies. Here! |
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01 Jun 05 - 04:57 PM (#1497608) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Mrs.Duck As a racist and Nazi institution the BNP should be given no platform whatsoever! I would like to know who participated so that I can avoid them in the future. |
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01 Jun 05 - 06:51 PM (#1497687) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST greg, i thought David Hannam was jewish? |
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01 Jun 05 - 07:20 PM (#1497706) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Tartuffe If he is then shame on him. |
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02 Jun 05 - 04:42 AM (#1497985) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST shame on him? Why? I have just been reading the news on bnp by google and they even have a jewish councillor, pat richardson. if the bnp was anti jewish why would they have jewish members and even a councillor. sorry but your not making sense. also i think its a bit strong telling a person they should be ashamed of themselves by the way they act because you think their faith should restrict them from acting in a certain way. YOUR USING HIS FAITH, (if that is his faith) AGAINST HIM. I think thats terrible |
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02 Jun 05 - 05:52 AM (#1498019) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Dita Still waiting for that review. A guy called Colin , two girls and DH do not a Folk Festival make. Strange that reviewing Guest uses "John" "Hull" "Piper", all well known terms to regular Mudcatters, whilst remaining Guest. Mabye I'll form the "Make Me Famous/Infamous Party" and then get all my gigs reviewed as "festivals." John (wrote and sang anti Thatcher, now writing and singing anti Blair) |
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02 Jun 05 - 06:17 AM (#1498035) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Tartuffe If he is Jewish then shame ten times over for joining a party like that. Ought to know better. Maybe the BNP isn't anti-Jewish but it's racist, bigotted and fear-mongering. |
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02 Jun 05 - 07:05 AM (#1498061) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Ophelia Yes i realise very well Dita that this was not a review, but i didnt know how to classify it when asked when i was making this thread. sorry. It was more to bring the event to your attention |
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02 Jun 05 - 07:10 AM (#1498063) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST From the website, it looked as if this was a private event - a barbecque, with some music, not a folk festival at all. |
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02 Jun 05 - 07:14 AM (#1498064) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST well tartuffe if you can concede that you were wrong bout bnp as anti-jewish then isnt it poss you were wrong bout them been racist and bigotted. saying that i think some stupid racism exists in all the parties unfortunately its just highlighted more in bnp cos their only ones brave enough to highlight immigration and racist murders etc |
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02 Jun 05 - 09:19 AM (#1498145) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: GUEST,Tartuffe No it isn't possible. Sorry. The BNP's platform is racism. I never said they were anti-Jewish, I said shame on a Jewish man for joining a party of racists and bigotts. |
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02 Jun 05 - 09:35 AM (#1498161) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Dita I was not having a go at you Ophelia, more the BNP Attendee's post. When I take the stage, as I did at George Square in Glasgow, prior to, and for the duration of the first Gulf War, everyone knows who I am, and what I stand for. (Week before the war had to get off the platform to let all the Labour MPs on, including current Ministers, week after just had George Galloway and Maria Fyffe). I find that the anonimity the performers at this event strange. As has been said on this post or another, the 50/60s revival had artists who's politics were on the left, but none of them were afraid to be named as supporters. John McCreadie |
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02 Jun 05 - 09:39 AM (#1498162) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Peace The BNP are trash. On a good day. They have affiliations with all kinds of groups who support racism/white supremacy. It was a barbeque, not a folk festival. Ophelia is a stooge for them. This slime has made itself at home here. That's too bad. |
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02 Jun 05 - 04:52 PM (#1498516) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Chris Green I'm sure the Nuremberg rallies were really fun communal events if you weren't Jewish, gay or Romany! |
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02 Jun 05 - 05:02 PM (#1498522) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Emma B The purpose of this event was to raise funds for a Nasty party. The pupose of the post was to once more peddle (via cross references to other web sites) the policies of hate in what should be a music section. I would encourage such people to send us more photographs of their "folkies" so I will know who to avoid! However I would be happy to see such threads left to rot..... |
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26 Nov 08 - 05:59 PM (#2502441) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Jack Campin If anybody wants David Hannam's address it's in the leaked BNP membership list. He's the party's deputy treasurer. There are no less than three Hannams on the list. I've never encountered the name in any other context. |
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27 Nov 08 - 06:03 PM (#2503165) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Betsy The Folk scene in the UK needs to be vigilant - our music does not attract ethnic minority interest , generally because the stories ( especially historical content) in the songs hold little to interest them, many songs are not exactly known for being "lively" or do not have a driving rhythm or beat and are often (seemingly) dull ballads which often require an understanding of English and British history in the form generally taught in British schools .The people who enjoy or derive pleasure from engaging this type of music , purely from a demographic point of view are generally white , and I suspect that that the Subject Group might think that we are indeed an easy catch. Vigilance is the name of the game - be on your guard at the Club , Festival or wherever. One will get you two , two will get you four , four will get you eight and soon you will be a lefty outcast. Vigilance is the name of the game. |
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27 Nov 08 - 06:20 PM (#2503173) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: The Borchester Echo our music does not attract ethnic minority interest Benjamin Zephaniah is very interested. He, and other Imagined Villagers are showing that they too are English and want to take part in and add to our indigenous culture. Bring it on. That, more than any amount of WASPish protest, will deliver the message to the nasty right to fuck off (please). |
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27 Nov 08 - 06:42 PM (#2503177) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Ruth Archer "The Folk scene in the UK needs to be vigilant - our music does not attract ethnic minority interest" Tell that to Lucky Moyo, morris-dancing ex-member of Black Umfolosi, currently residing in Kent. Or Dogan Mehemet, who combines his Turkish Cypriot roots with English tradition, plays the melodeon, and is currently studying on the folk music degree at Newcastle. As Diane says, bring it on. |
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27 Nov 08 - 07:07 PM (#2503189) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Betsy Aw Come on - there are ALWAYS exceptions - I was generalising and you are citing a minority. I could have done the same . The average Folk club audience in 2008, or before, does not attract a meaningful amount of ethnic minorities - fact. Look around you. Therefore in conjunction with what I had previously written , it is necessary that Folk Clubs etc. should be vigilant that they are not seen to be an "easy touch" and a recruiting ground for this so-called party. |
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27 Nov 08 - 07:34 PM (#2503197) Subject: RE: Review: BNP FOLK FESTIVAL From: Mr Red well whatever was on the BNP site seems to be a 404 now. But you can see the site map and accounts for local branches. I was curious - I can't be arsed to try again. I need my sleep. Night all. |
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27 Nov 08 - 08:24 PM (#2503221) Subject: RE: Review: BNP Folk Festival From: Leadfingers I have sung and played with Black , Brown , Yellow and even Tartan Folkies , but have to agree that Folk DOES lean towarsd the White . Vigilance IS required to make sure the Extremists DONT HiJack OUR music . If Sidmouth Singer contest can be won by a lad of Afro Carribean origin , all is NOT Lost . |
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27 Nov 08 - 08:27 PM (#2503223) Subject: RE: Review: BNP Folk Festival From: McGrath of Harlow Folk music does not lean towards the white. It comes in all shapes and sizes and colours in every corner of the world. |
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27 Nov 08 - 08:37 PM (#2503226) Subject: RE: Review: BNP Folk Festival From: Leadfingers Sorry Kevin - I should have said Britsh Folk in Britain !! |
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27 Nov 08 - 08:46 PM (#2503229) Subject: RE: Review: BNP Folk Festival From: Lox "Folk music does not lean towards the white. It comes in all shapes and sizes and colours in every corner of the world." Thank you McGrath. Japanese folk songs Indian folk songs Romanian folk songs Russian Scottish Irish American etc etc etc etc etc All indigenous. All localised And All shared and given freely to any listener And sought out by anyone with a genuine interest in folk. |
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28 Nov 08 - 12:10 AM (#2503296) Subject: RE: Review: BNP Folk Festival From: Peace Joe hates it when I swear (curse) lots and use foul language. So I will not comment about these BNP racist sonsabitches. Fuck 'em. The dirty bastards just aren't worth it. |
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28 Nov 08 - 05:26 AM (#2503381) Subject: RE: Review: BNP Folk Festival From: GUEST,Betsy at Work Hi McGrath and Lox . I believe I am on the same track as Leadfingers. I agree with your comments about Folk Music and it's forms, but, I was referring to British folk clubs or if you like folk "gatherings", i.e. the actual social get-togethers to enjoy the music. The vast majority of the attendees are white and therefore we must be vigilant that this so-called party ,does NOT infiltrate or hijack our folk gatherings, folk get-togethers , folk clubs , folk singarounds , folk festivals or whatever name you wish to use as an umbrella phrase for these events. Hijacks can be avoided !!!! |
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29 Nov 08 - 04:30 AM (#2504054) Subject: RE: Review: BNP Folk Festival From: Teribus Strange question for Jack Campin. Why would you think that anybody would be interested in having this man's address - Bookings at the next festival perhaps?? Or were you hoping for something different? |