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04 Sep 05 - 08:00 PM (#1556209) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: akenaton "Hanoi Jane" Fonda is to join George Galloway on his whistle stop lecture tour of America in September. They will make a formidable team and seem sure to hammer home the fact that Bush and his Neo-Con bosses are squandering billions of dollars in a pointless and un-winnable war while American blacks live in poverty. The sight of the New Orleans poor,left to suffer for almost a week in a country hailed as the richest in the world is sure to bring the best out in George. Strange how the epithet "Hanoi" Jane, meant as a bitter insult in the sixties,has evolved into a badge of bravery and commitment...Ake |
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04 Sep 05 - 08:33 PM (#1556224) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: GUEST I believe it would be more accurate to state "...while American blacks die in poverty." Especially this week. |
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04 Sep 05 - 10:09 PM (#1556268) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: akenaton Yes Guest, I agree. But the paralysis of the administration in the face of setbacks is barely credible. I have never seen such an ineffective group of people. The suffering of the black population of New Orleans has brought home to the world the lie implicit in the American Dream. Whats happened to the people who marched with Martin Luther King? Is it like Britain,where the poor have been sucked into the benefits morass,losing their pride and their independence in the process. Demoralised and hopeless, without the will to fight back against those who oppress and disrespect them. Its time for all of us to put an end to the disgrace of the creatures whom we allow to rule us. If we do not, the next fabricated enemy will be our sons and daughters, our brothers and sisters, the haves against the have nots, the Orwellian nightmare in downtown New York or downtown London, the final solution to the human problem...Ake |
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04 Sep 05 - 10:15 PM (#1556270) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: katlaughing Thanks for bringing this up...I didn't knwo about it. Here's a link to a recent article about it: Click Here |
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05 Sep 05 - 04:38 AM (#1556393) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: Richard Bridge "Britain,where the poor have been sucked into the benefits morass,losing their pride and their independence in the process". That has to be one of the most disgusting purported justifications of further oppresion of the poor that I have ever heard. A true welfare state is the only possible defence of capitalism. |
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05 Sep 05 - 05:00 AM (#1556397) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: akenaton Richard...I'm sorry you feel like that, but perhaps you misunderstand my post. In my opinion the most important thing in life is a measure of happiness. To be happy and fulfilled people require to have a sense of worth. Under the capitalist system, many are made to feel worthless , a burden to society, parasites! The benefits system is used as a tool, one of the many in the capitalist armoury, to sap the morale of a large part of the population who might otherwise become"troublesome". All our people should be instilled with a sense of worth...as human beings...not profit making machines ...Ake |
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05 Sep 05 - 09:59 AM (#1556524) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: MarkS Wonder just who, exactly, US forces were dropping bombs ON in Cambodia? |
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05 Sep 05 - 01:23 PM (#1556670) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: Little Hawk Who got bombed? Whoever was unlucky enough to be in the way... I just want to say one thing here: "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh! NLF is going to win!" Never did a conquering empire more richly deserve to be kicked out of a small country than the USA did to be kicked out of Vietnam. I await the day when they will also be kicked out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantamo (in Cuba). |
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06 Sep 05 - 05:20 PM (#1557942) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: Barry Finn Seems this thread drifted off a bit. Sorry to see you're leaving Mary (if you're still here) but I guess I can understand, though still not agree. I know that you're pretty passionate about what started nearly 40 yrs ago as a police action but to hold a hatred that long for Jane & brand her a traitor is way off. Her crime was to try to bring our loved ones home alive from a place they should've been in (replay Iraq today) in the 1st place. My brother served in Vietnam & Cambodia as a navy seal (oh, we weren't in Cambodia were we?). His transport to & from missions into Cambodia was by sub accompanied (or taxied) by, what he referred to as Citizens In Action (CIA). BTW, he was also pressured, not called back to duty, to be to used during the mining of the harbors in Nicaragua, another place where we weren't supposed to be but were. My father (a well decorated WWII vet), my mother, sister & I all were protesters doing the same as Jane. So if you're gonna make Jane the scapegoat include all of us who felt that way back then & feel that way now. I'd much prefer hearing an intelligent speech from Jane rather than the muck & mire (some of what's now called Bushisms)I'd get from Georgie the worst not Georgie the 1st. One of the costs to the American people during those times, which was/is hardly ever addressed, is the loss of the trust for nation. "Question Authority" was a battle cry that has stayed with many over the years. Many of us (myself included) were left feeling that we could never again (if we even did from the start) believe or take just the word of any administration or any president or any others in power or in control. Though during the last campain a US general did state that with out the American people's backing we could never win an unpopular war. Guess the tides are changing after all lies & secrtecs have been coming to rear their ugly heads(no plan ahead here, again). So Mary, can you forgive us when we tried to right a wrong, I'm sure some of us or at least I can forgive you for your continuous backing of the doctrine that "Might is Right" & an immorally launched campaign of the "Ends Justify the Means" policy are a good policy. Barry |
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06 Sep 05 - 05:35 PM (#1557952) Subject: RE: BS: Hanoi Jane does a Galloway From: Little Hawk Right on, Barry. I can only echo everything you have said. When a country launches a totally unjust war and a citizen of that country stands up and says "This is wrong." that person is a hero, not a traitor. It takes a lot more courage to do that than it does to just obey the high command (like Hitler's young men did by the millions in WWII) and be a good girl and go follow orders. That war was wrong. The USA had no business in Vietnam from day one. |