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19 Jun 05 - 09:37 PM (#1504691) Subject: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: michaelr I'm surprised there isn't a thread on this yet. This document appears to be proof for what the less gullible among us knew all along: Bush lied to Congress and the American people to get approval for his illegal war. This would seem to fall under the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors", thus making the smirking little bastard ripe for impeachment. I'd like to hear from our Republican contingent, especially. Cheers, Michael |
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19 Jun 05 - 09:54 PM (#1504698) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Peace Posted that before (if you mean the memo) and no one seemed to care--well, no Republicans seemed to care. |
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19 Jun 05 - 10:28 PM (#1504717) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: dianavan Yes, Bush should be impeached but it is doubtful if there is enough interest from the U.S. public to do so. Its far more important to impeach a president for lying about a blow job than to impeach a president for starting an illegal war. |
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19 Jun 05 - 10:30 PM (#1504721) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST I saw a bumper sticker that said - "When Clinton lied - no one died" |
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19 Jun 05 - 10:38 PM (#1504724) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Bobert Well, well, well... Seems that this oughta end the "Liberal Press" BIG LIE... I mean, this is bigger than anything Clinton did... Waaaaayyyyyyy Bigger! Yet, not much of a peep from the "CONSERVATIVE MEDIA"... What's going on here, folks? Seems that Bush wanted to manipulte the intellegence on Iraq to get the American people to go along with invading a country to pose no threat???????? Hey, this shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone here. I, as well as others, were telling the same story during the RUN-UP TO WAR, weren't we???????? Buit we had Teribus and Doug sayin' tnhat we were the loonies... Now who is lookin' like the loonies???????? Cookin' the intellegence impeachable?????????? Well, yeah, but by whom????? A Repub controlled Congress???? Lets get real here, folks??? We ain't talking Clinton here where the big money wanted hi out... We're talking big money and tghey got their BOY and they ain't gonna sacrice their BOY if he's caught solicitin' a whore up in NorthEast DC.... Bobert |
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19 Jun 05 - 11:20 PM (#1504747) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST The Bush is much cleaner than old Billy's willie. They won't nail him on this one -- by George! |
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19 Jun 05 - 11:23 PM (#1504749) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: michaelr diana -- the public is irrelevant here. Who appoints Special Prosecutors? Where's a Ken Starr when we need him? Bobert -- yep, you got that right. You and I and a few others here have been calling the bastards on their lying for years. This should clinch it! Well, I think the remaining Democrats in Congress need to look long and hard for a spine amongst themselves. I don't know what the drill is for beginning impeachment proceedings, but I hope someone here can enlighten me. If this ain't a smoking gun, I don't know what is. Or can't they see the gun for the smoke?? Cheers, Michael |
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19 Jun 05 - 11:25 PM (#1504752) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Bobert No, GUEST, they won't... But not because Bush is any "cleaner" but because more folks with lots o' money are stealin' from the workin' class and Bush is like the "gate keeper".... Ain't nuthin' clean about bein' that "gate keeper" fir the thieves... Bobert |
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20 Jun 05 - 01:35 AM (#1504779) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: mack/misophist Some reporters may be liberal. All media owners are republicans. Guess what that means. |
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20 Jun 05 - 01:37 AM (#1504781) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Peace Uh, we're gonna get the Republican view? |
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20 Jun 05 - 02:14 AM (#1504790) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Big Al Whittle Did he get it wrong though? So he lied - he's a politician. Comedians tell jokes, and politicians.....Of course, I was forgetting there are those amongst us here who think that some banks are damn fine moral institutions. The Taliban are no longer in power. Saddam Hussein is pretty much where he belongs. Whilst suicide bombers are directing their fury towards Baghdad sandwich bars, they aren't flying planes into New York buildings. For what its worth, I liked Clinton better and I think maybe so did the American public. Why don't you change your system so that popular leaders can serve longer? Then you could have the liar of your choice! |
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20 Jun 05 - 06:04 AM (#1504884) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: RobbieWilson They never were flying into our buildings, remember? That was our oil rich Saudi friends. The Afghans and Iraqi's were just whipping boys so that we could kick some ass without upsetting the money. |
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20 Jun 05 - 07:23 AM (#1504924) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Bobert Difference between Clinton's lies and Bush's is, ohhhh, 'bout 100,000 dead people... |
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20 Jun 05 - 08:16 AM (#1504976) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: kendall It's our fucked up version of morality. It's ok to kill 100,000 people in an illegal war of aggression, but you should never get caught acting like a human being. |
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20 Jun 05 - 01:04 PM (#1505231) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST,Russ Might not be impeachable, but definitely peachy. |
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20 Jun 05 - 01:45 PM (#1505262) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Big Al Whittle Whoever it was flying into your buildings - they thought you were too pro Israel, they thought you were decadent and couldn't take care of yourself, they thought you were a totally secular society and that they were spirtually your superior. Its a bit like the bombing of Libya after the Lockerbie thing. Whether he did Lockerbie or not, Gaddafi wasn't so damn keen to claim the honour of 9/11 as he was in the days when he was sheltering every asshole from the IRA, to Black September, Baader -Meinhoff, to Carlos the Jackal. Everybody who thought a bomb in a shopping centre was a blow for freedom, Gaddafi was their pal. Morally of course Bush was wrong - they were innocent men and women getting killed by the 'softening up' bombing that preceded these invasions. But the question I was posing to you - did he get it right in terms of reapolitik. That's why we don't elect Saints. Has getting rid of those two shitbag regimes made things better. he has given a two countries a chance which they may not be bright enough to take advantage of, to have a fairer system of government. He has pointed out to anybody else who thought that 9/11 was a pretty good wheeze, that there are consequences. |
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20 Jun 05 - 01:54 PM (#1505270) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST,Clint Keller "He has pointed out to anybody else who thought that 9/11 was a pretty good wheeze, that there are consequences." He has pointed out to Osama that 9/11 was a pretty good pretext to get rid of Saddam, and that's something that Osama has wanted for a long time. How about getting rid of our own shitbag regime? Then if we were bright enough we could have a fairer government. clint |
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20 Jun 05 - 02:00 PM (#1505280) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Donuel Why would corporate owned media , who has made a bundle on this war, wish to broadcast anything that would adversely effect their bottom line? Cheney calls it the "so called" Downing St. memo. If anyone whould get the ball/heads rolling it should be the British. Afterall it is a UK memo. |
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20 Jun 05 - 02:01 PM (#1505281) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: kendall Let's not forget who put those "Shit bag" rgimes in there in the first place. |
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20 Jun 05 - 02:58 PM (#1505329) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Peace When a dog pisses on a fire hydrant it is not committing an act of vandalism; it is simply being a dog. |
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20 Jun 05 - 03:02 PM (#1505337) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Donuel, Don't expect any action from our local asshole. When the shit hits the fan, he will have as much to dodge as GW. He's no better, because he went along with it, and lied to us. Don T. |
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20 Jun 05 - 03:03 PM (#1505338) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Big Al Whittle Absolutely! all points worth pondering, but did he get it wrong? |
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20 Jun 05 - 03:26 PM (#1505355) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Big Al Whittle Yes we did set up those bad guys. We set up the Taliban as part of the strategem to topple the Soviet Empire. We bankrolled Saddam's war against Iran because, the Iran was behaving appallingly. We don't elect saints - we elect people who will oppose our enemies ruthlessly. I'm not saying that's right, I'm saying, is that right? |
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20 Jun 05 - 03:45 PM (#1505373) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: DougR Nope, sorry gang, but the memos are not grounds for impeachment. How do I know? Simple. If they were, every Democrat in the United States Senate, and John McCain, would be introducing legislation to start the party. Anyway, both Bush and Blair have already addressed this issue, and both have publically declared that there is nothing substantive in the memos. Sorry. DougR |
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20 Jun 05 - 04:15 PM (#1505383) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Don Firth Golly, Doug, I'm really surprised that they'd say that! That's amazing! I'm duly chastened! Don Firth |
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20 Jun 05 - 04:44 PM (#1505400) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Susu's Hubby "I'm surprised there isn't a thread on this yet." michaelr, It's already been done.... Give it up. Revenge has never the libs strong suit. Case closed.....move on to the next topic. Hubby |
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20 Jun 05 - 05:02 PM (#1505418) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Don Firth Sorry, SH. Case still very much open. Don Firth |
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20 Jun 05 - 05:18 PM (#1505429) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff Yes! Yes!! You're Bloodywellright! YES!!! What a wonderful gift you have given the Free World." I love you man! The Downinging Street Memoes will stand! Peter Woodruff |
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20 Jun 05 - 05:21 PM (#1505432) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff Foreverever! Peter |
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20 Jun 05 - 06:43 PM (#1505495) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Troll Well guys, good luck on your attempt to get rid of GW with the Downibg Street Memo. As I heard on the news this afternoon,(ABC) the person who "leaked" the memo first typed it and then destroyed the origional so as to protect the person who gave it to him. So here we have a memo with only the word of the person who leaked it that the contents are identical to the origional. And with THIS you're going to try to impeach a President? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!! troll |
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20 Jun 05 - 06:55 PM (#1505502) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: akenaton troll...regardless of the impeachment question, does it not concern you that the war may have been illegal. That the American and British people were deliberately mislead, to suit the agendas' of the respective governments Is your heart so hardened that the deaths of innocents and American troops are just details deserving no consideration. Is it still my flag and my country right or wrong? I'm glad I was brought up to believe "patriotism the last refuge of a scoundrel". Ake |
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20 Jun 05 - 06:58 PM (#1505505) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Susu's Hubby "As I heard on the news this afternoon,(ABC) the person who "leaked" the memo first typed it and then destroyed the origional so as to protect the person who gave it to him" I thought Dan Rather retired? Looks as if he didn't afterall! Hubby |
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20 Jun 05 - 07:10 PM (#1505517) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Troll I don't know what part of my post prompted your little outburst, Ake, but I thought the thread was concerned with the Downing Street memo. My country right or wrong. My mother drunk or sober. I'm happy for you that you don't feel that you are a scoundrel and I don't see why you seem to feel that I am one. As far as deaths are concerned, I have seen too many slaughtered on our nations highways by drunk drivers with nothing being done about it to be real concerned anymore about much of anything except surviving. I'm numb. troll |
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20 Jun 05 - 08:25 PM (#1505571) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: michaelr I repeat the question: Who appoints Special Prosecutors? Can anyone cite the procedure? I'd really like to know. Cheers, Michael |
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20 Jun 05 - 08:47 PM (#1505576) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Blissfully Ignorant Maybe i should go and give Bush a blowjob, then blab to the media. I'm not saying i'd enjoy it, but if it has thbe desired effect... |
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21 Jun 05 - 12:51 AM (#1505689) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: DougR Well, Blissful, as much as you might enjoy it ...I have serious doubts that your willingness to perform such an act would be welcomed by the President, even though you might enjoy it. After all, he has lots of choices down on the ranch ...sheep, goats, cattle, maybe even pigs. Why would he choose you? DougR |
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21 Jun 05 - 08:01 AM (#1505882) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Susu's Hubby ooh....DougR :-{ Nice response. Remind me to never cross you. Hubby ;-) |
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21 Jun 05 - 10:18 AM (#1505985) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: JohnInKansas A technical correction: DougR If they were, every Democrat in the United States Senate, and John McCain, would be introducing legislation to start the party. Only the House of Representatives can initiate an impeachment. Supplemental: Members of Congress cannot be impeached. John |
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21 Jun 05 - 12:17 PM (#1506071) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST After all, he has lots of choices down on the ranch ...sheep, goats, cattle, maybe even pigs. Thanks for the info Doug. Which does he choose most often, and how does he decide? |
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21 Jun 05 - 12:27 PM (#1506076) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: akenaton Bush's livestock must be very well trained.......if they give blowjobs..Ake |
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21 Jun 05 - 12:28 PM (#1506080) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: akenaton Obviously a lot more intelligent than their owner....... |
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21 Jun 05 - 01:07 PM (#1506095) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: kendall I saw an interesting bumper sticker yesterday, it said; "Ted Kennedy's car killed more people than my gun." It was close to an NRA sticker. If it had been parked, I would have left him this note: "Laura Bush's car killed more than your gun too." I'll bet he doesn't even know about that little incident. |
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21 Jun 05 - 01:16 PM (#1506096) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST,petr well it was never about getting rid of shitbag regimes. It was never about oil either. Rather about establishing and maintaining Pax Americana. Al Qaeda's project just happened to collide with and energize the neocons project for a new American Century. WHoever planned 9/11 is not a simpleton, he must have known that the US would respond militarily and aggressively, at Al Qaedas bases in Afghanistan. Did anyone expect the US to suddenly withdraw and start a new isolationist policy? of course not. So why would Bin Laden do it. The obvious answer is to instill more anger in the muslim world and get more recruits for their cause. The trouble is that Afghanistan fell quickly, because the US mostly fought an air war, and co-opted the Northern Alliance and other warlords to do their work. On the other hand, it must have been a gift to Bin Laden to invade Iraq, and judging from the number of foreign muslim recruits that flocked to Iraq, it was exactly what Al Qaeda wanted. All the muscle flexing, the biggest and most advanced military in the world, attacking a fifth rate 3rd world army, cancelling the ABM treaty, and developing small usable nukes etc. is all intended to show AMericas power to everyone else. Of course it never works, (just look at all the other empires consigned to history, Rome, Spain, Ottoman, Britain) in the end economics trumps all. And with Walmart exporting manufacturing jobs to CHina, software and information services going to INdia, and the ongoing Republican destruction of the American middle class you can see where its going. |
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21 Jun 05 - 01:46 PM (#1506116) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: DougR Yeah, ptr, I understand Wal-Mart plans to open a supercenter pretty soon in Iraq. The plan is to drive all the mom and pop businesses our of business. DougR |
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21 Jun 05 - 01:48 PM (#1506118) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Big Al Whittle no you got me, wheres it going? |
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21 Jun 05 - 02:15 PM (#1506146) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: DougR John in Kansas: thank you for that correction. Of course you are right. I expect Tom DeLay to begin impeachment proceedings at the earliest. DougR |
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21 Jun 05 - 02:44 PM (#1506167) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST,Phantom of the Uproar Of course come to that, who needed the Downing Street memo to clue them in that the whole WMD, "they attacked us first", "Saddam is a threat to the world" excuse for invading Iraq was a tissue of lies? Anyone who was paying attention knew that. The memo just brings it back into the news, not something Republicans want people to be reminded of. |
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21 Jun 05 - 02:45 PM (#1506168) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: Troll The problem seems to be in the interpretation of the following: "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action." Specifically the phrase "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." On MSMBC's Hardball last night, two of Mr. Matthews guests were Mr. Kay, a former UN inspector and Mr. Wooten (?) who was the head of the CIA under the Clinton Admin. They did not seem to think that it was anything important and that it was not a "smoking gun". Mr Wooten pointed out that the while the American use of the term "were being fixed" meant that the books were being coked, the British uasge is somewhat different. Kay agreed. As they never clarified the statement, perhaps some of our British members could offer an explaination? troll |
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21 Jun 05 - 09:35 PM (#1506488) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: kendall We were ATTACKED BY Saudis. We invaded Iraq. That is the bottom line. |
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21 Jun 05 - 11:21 PM (#1506567) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: dianavan kendall - Whats up with the Laura Bush car incident? I must have missed it. You are right. Why attack Iraq when they should have been searching for Osama instead of weapons of mass destruction. Why didn't the U.S. let the U.N. handle Iraq? In other words, why didn't the U.S. mind their own business instead of starting a needless war? At this point, Osama is just a symbol created by the Bush administration to justify armed aggression on foreign soil. |
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21 Jun 05 - 11:45 PM (#1506586) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST,Bardford Here ya go, Dianavan: Laura Bush Bio |
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22 Jun 05 - 02:38 PM (#1507171) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: CarolC After all, he has lots of choices down on the ranch ...sheep, goats, cattle, maybe even pigs. Why would he choose you? Hate to break it to you, boys... this one cuts both ways. |
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22 Jun 05 - 08:18 PM (#1507520) Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable? From: GUEST,petr well Dgr, when oil hits $100 a barrel, (and it has doubled in price in 2years) we'll all keep driving down to the Walmart to get our $3 underwear. |