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BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl

24 Jun 05 - 03:07 PM (#1508891)
Subject: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,gnu

SRS posted a recipe for home made bug dope and it got me ta thinkin'.

I haven't been up to (my) Camp Blackwater in Kent County, New Brunswick, Canada since the slice and dice. Almost don't want to go now that the real fly season has started. Oh, we've had blackflies and skeeters for a while, but, with the temperature going to 35C tomorrow, there's a few more types on the go.

Bite-em-no-see-ums make it miserable to sleep because regular window screens won't keep them out.

And, the Moose Flies (Blow flies or Stouts) aren't bothered by the heat in the middle of the day. Them bastards can bite through a tee shirt (bigger than a horsefly). And, unless you crank the ATV up to 40kph, they fly past you and come back at you. Like little suicide bombers, they'll nail you in the face or arms... any skin that's exposed.

And the flies that were introduced about twenty years ago by some genius biologist to eat the Spruce Budworm consider fly dope a marinade (a bit bigger than a house fly, with circular markings on the wings.) They are slow. Half the time, you can swat them before they bite, but when you've got a trout on the line and can't let go, they'll take a goodly chunk of skin when they leave.

Then, ya got yer deer flies. Shiny green or blue. Same kinda bite as them "budworm" flies, but fast. They land, bite, chew, digest, read the newspaper, and shit before ya can swat 'em.

And then there's the damn sand flees. No sense puttin yer pants inside yer socks. These little ****'s will burrow through socks... and your hair and your beard if you lay down.

Last year, I even seen a fly I'd only ever seen in Labrador. An inch long, yellow, with a two-pronged tail, both of which prongs are stingers. This little pup can pack the wallop of a wasp. Don't know the name, except I call it, "SOB!!! Get the f*** away from me!!!"

There's a few more kinds, but you get the idea. I HATE flies.

I've got bug jackets and DEET up the arse... I've even got White Owl Invincibles (big, nasty stogies). But, I still get my ass bit bad every time I go up country in July.

Got a big trip planned next weekend. Anybody wanna come with?

What kinda nasty buggers ye got where ye live?


24 Jun 05 - 03:12 PM (#1508896)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Sorcha

Horse flies and deer flies! Deer fly bites HURT! And they can hang on to you!


24 Jun 05 - 03:15 PM (#1508897)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST

Now... where do you get deer fly bites? I thought you was in the big city... of course, I say that by going from the only memory I have, which, well, you know, I think...


24 Jun 05 - 03:15 PM (#1508899)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,Rapaire

Pretty much the same things. Only, I have found the best bug-proof suit ! Add a headnet and you are GOLDEN!!


24 Jun 05 - 03:20 PM (#1508903)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,gnu

I just heard a loud noise from the north of me... I think the fly convension saw your bug suit, Rap.

Sorcha, twas I enquired about where you get the deer fly bites.


24 Jun 05 - 03:23 PM (#1508904)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST

Gnu, I was in Costco yesterday and they have this machine in there that converts propane to CO2 and will attract and capture mosquitoes, no-see-ums and black flies and supposedly clear an area of 1500 square feet of the buggers in no time flat....well it said you had to wait 2 weeks to see the difference......and it costs about 300 bucks and....come to think of it you can buy a lot of deet for that kind of money....and see immediate results.

Now horse flies and I don't get along too well anymore....the last time one took a chunk out of me, my leg swoll up and fell over the top of my sock......of course that was in Alberta, we don't have any really nasty bugs out here on this coast.........yeah, right.


24 Jun 05 - 03:24 PM (#1508906)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,Metchosin

oops 3:23 was me.


24 Jun 05 - 03:29 PM (#1508909)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Alba

Ive got the same nasty buggers flying about looking for flesh here in the Backwoods as yirself Gnu. Let's not forget the Deer Ticks and mozzies to add to the list. Bloody no see ums, wakening up with nibbles out of my arm agghhh
It can get real miserable at times.
Deer Flies and Horse Flies here to. Buzzin around my head when I am walking or riding along, driving me crazy then...strike...chunk, blood..pain!!!!
Tomorrow though, I am dreading it... it's gonna be too hot, too Humid and because of that there will be too many flying hungry blood seekers out and about..!!!
Good Luck Gnu ma dear.:>) We can exchange type of bites received and numbers on Sunday when the cooler front comes though!lol
Jude


24 Jun 05 - 03:34 PM (#1508915)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,gnu

Re the Skeeter Magnet... does anyone else find it odd that a couple of years after this machine was patented, West Nile Virus became a big issue?

Metch... they WORK! My cousin lives beside a brook that empties into the salt water marshes of the Petitcodiac River. There's a large pond upstream of the culvert under the road, adjacent to his property. I have been there before the "magnet". UN-F***ING-REAL. These buggers are about a half inch long and they can fly in a twenty MPH wind. Eat you alive! Magnet>>> BBQ and sit out all day and not a skeeter around. However, he IS beside the marshes, so, after dark, if there is no wind... well, he's screwed. But there is usually a breeze and it's tolerable.


24 Jun 05 - 03:41 PM (#1508919)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Rapparee

So, then, if I tossed a bunch of dry ice into the neighbor's yard....

1500 square feet isn't very much, just an area about the size of an average house.

I've always liked bug zappers. Entertaining as all hell after you've had enough beer.


24 Jun 05 - 03:42 PM (#1508923)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,gnu

Okay... bear with me on this one. I swear it's true. For deer flies and the like, try this. You know how they circle around your head, right? Elbows at your sides, hands outstretched to left and right, palms up. Slowly at first, raise your hands and speed up the movement until you clap your hands at the fastest pace possible directly over your head. You may not get the acceleration or speed just right the first time, but, keep trying. I swear, you can kill them this way.

Of course, when there are several hundred circling you, this particular method has it's drawbacks.


24 Jun 05 - 03:55 PM (#1508933)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Rap... dry ice... well, your neighbour, and you, would have a real skeeter problem


24 Jun 05 - 03:58 PM (#1508934)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Ebbie

Alaska is notorious for its flying buggers. In Juneau, the no see-ums are what drive me buggy. Mosquitoes are a small nuisance compared with them.

In my experience, a no see-um bite doesn't really itch until the next day and then it will fair drive you crazy until you have scratched the bite open and drained the venom. I have scars on my arms and ankles using this method.

We also have blackfly and deer flies (once I was playing at an outdoor wedding standing to the left of the fiddle player. The FP had his white shirt sleeve rolled up. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a big blob of blood drop from his arm and splatter on the ground. The deer fly.) and sand fleas and white sox (Are they different from the blackfly?); we try to always keep a baseball bat handy.

Speaking of Alaska's skeeters, they're different from Oregon's mosquitoes. In Oregon, a mosquito will sneak up behind you and the first indication is the high whine in your ear. Swat at it and it will go away for a few minutes and then you'll hear it in the other ear.

An Alaskan mosquito, on the other hand, will galumph directly up to you, in your face. It is big and slow and dumb and doesn't mind dyin'. However, if you don't do something about it, it calls for the cavalry and the first thing you know your head is surrounded by the black eqivalent of a dandelion gone to seed and through the crowd you see more of them come zinging at you. All is not lost, however: If you duck down and run a few feet away, they stay back there, still circling where you were. It takes them a moment or two to realize that you have left.

I just came back from farther north and was amazed at the sheer numbers of mosquitoes I ran into. MUCH worse than anywhere I have been in Juneau and I got many, many bites. At a book store, I bought a 'new' product- later I'll go hunt up the name - that I carried in my backpack. It's a spray, smelling strongly of citrus, that is supposed to act like Avon's Soft Skin- the skeeter supposedly will hover but not land or bite. You spray your exposed skin and your clothes alike. It is true that the first time I used it, the one place I didn't spray (my left elbow( was the only place I became aware of a bite.

Last year, Alaska supposedly had a winter that encouraged the breeding of many insects.


24 Jun 05 - 04:04 PM (#1508936)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

SHITE!! Snow-Skeeters!! We're srcewed!!!


24 Jun 05 - 04:37 PM (#1508961)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Metchosin

Interesting to find that they do work, gnu. In truth I was considering it, not for us, but the pony, now that he no longer has his friend to stand head to tail with for mutual fly brushing.....but the price tag is still a hurdle.

I'll see how sorry I feel for him when the bugs finally get really bad here. So far it has been so windy here lately that we've been pretty bug free.


24 Jun 05 - 04:43 PM (#1508964)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: jpk

na most don't bite me so no bother[guess i'm to sour]it's the white socks drive me nuts,in twix the eye balls an glasses,just bouncin back an forth don't bite but we'llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll..


24 Jun 05 - 05:01 PM (#1508973)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Charmion

Have you tried the Lee Valley Tools Deer Fly patch
?


24 Jun 05 - 05:49 PM (#1508999)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Metchosin

Cool. I wonder if you can do that with duct tape? Course with my luck I'd get my hair stuck in it somehow, sure managed to walk into a lot of sticky fly tape once upon a time.


24 Jun 05 - 06:08 PM (#1509013)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Hehehehehe!!! Now, if they offered a "first one free", I would try it. I mean, c'mon, if they really did work, wouldn't that be worth it for them? Think I'd rather but a lotto ticket with my money.


24 Jun 05 - 06:55 PM (#1509056)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Stilly River Sage

Cut and paste from that other thread source code:

Skeeter repellant from the Dirt Doctor:

Vanilla home remedy for personal use:
8 oz water
2 tsp vanilla extract
1 tsp. orange oil
Spray on liberally.

For site use:
Spray garlic tea over the entire problem area and for even more control, broadcast dry minced garlic at 5-10 lbs per 1000 sq ft.



SRS


24 Jun 05 - 07:22 PM (#1509076)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

"but"? "but"? Why are these keys so close together? Oh yeah, so I don't have to go looking too far.

slightlyinebriatedgnu


25 Jun 05 - 09:49 AM (#1509410)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: ranger1

You forgot greenhead flies. They make deer flies look like wusses. I am allergic to DEET (causes a nasty rash and breathing issues), but I found two great all-natural bug repellants that actually work and are sold commercially. One is called Buzz-Away, the other is called Buzz-Off. If you can't get them up your way, Gnu, PM me and I'll send you some.


25 Jun 05 - 09:57 AM (#1509413)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Thank you kindly, ranger1. I shall search for these post haste. DEET gives me a sore throat... or maybe it's the White Owl cigars? or the loud yelling that accompanies a trout fly stuck in the back of the head.

Them green headed buggers... haven't seen any for a while. I recall shovelling and mixing fresh horseshit in my neighbour's garden every spring when I was a lad and being inundated with them. I wonder if they are the same you speak of?


25 Jun 05 - 10:03 AM (#1509419)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: ranger1

If they bite large chunks out of you, then yes, probably the same beasties. They also lurk near the beaches around here.


25 Jun 05 - 10:11 AM (#1509430)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Salt water beaches?

Sent email to the producer... right next door in Maine. Should soon know if I can purchase locally.

BTW... an alert for youse what have "bug jackets". I bought a bunch of these on sale, cheap. Now, you can buy the expensive ones, like the Helly-Hansen, or go cheapo like me. BUT, if you get the cheap ones, read the fine print. If it doesn't say something about flame retardant, be careful around the campfire and, I speak through personal experience, around the BBQ. I believe the technical term for the rate of burn of these jackets is "whoosh".


25 Jun 05 - 10:12 AM (#1509433)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: ranger1

Yikes! Was there roast Gnu on the menu afterwards?


25 Jun 05 - 10:14 AM (#1509435)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Sorcha

Deer flies--out at the lake in the summer. Where the deer are....sheesh.


25 Jun 05 - 10:40 AM (#1509463)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Sorry.


25 Jun 05 - 10:58 AM (#1509479)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Sorcha

And, no, I don't live in a big city....small town of about 6,000 in SE Wyoming.


25 Jun 05 - 11:10 AM (#1509493)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

What? My memory IS gone. Somehow, I thought you were in the Big Apple. Must go mumble to myself for a while. (You know, it's OK to ask yourself questions and it's OK to answer yourself... but when you start asking, "What did you say?", well, it's time to start mumbling.)

How in heck...


25 Jun 05 - 11:25 AM (#1509503)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Charley Noble

Then there's the ticks. The pea-sized one that bloat up to marble-sized that you find on your legs and back after walking through our lovely Maine fields. Then there's the pinhead ones, the Lymn disease deer ticks that you really don't want to have nibbling you.

My father was a great protector of our salt water marsh mosquitoes. He reasoned that they were a major food supply for birds and fish and we should just get used to them rather than killing them and everything else by aerial spraying. You know, he had a point, and millions of tiny friends.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


25 Jun 05 - 11:43 AM (#1509509)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Sorcha

I know what confused you.....InOBU, Lorcan, has a band called Sorcha Dorcha and HE is in NYC....it's ok.


25 Jun 05 - 12:17 PM (#1509528)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

AHA!! I knew my memory wasn't going! Thanks... I never would have remembered.


25 Jun 05 - 01:07 PM (#1509555)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

ranger1... missed your post about the menu. Good one! No. Just a stroke of luck that I had my Type "M" fire extinguisher in my right hand at the time. My left sleeve "went up" but I deftly and swiftly dumped the "M"ug of Bud on it. Thank goodness I had a sweat shirt on with the wrist of the sweatshit beyond the wrist of the bug jacket. And, man, did the works come off in a hurry. One handed pull from the nape of the neck and there I was, bare from the waist up. And the skeeters thought they were in heaven... little bastards wouldn't give me a break.

So, the fire safety tip of the day is: Always keep your beer mug full.

Hey, maybe I can get a gnu suit and do safety commercials... "Only you can prevent fur fires."


25 Jun 05 - 01:23 PM (#1509563)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: John MacKenzie

Bug Eater ; expensive yes, but my friend emptied nearly 1lb weight of Scottish Midges out of his the other night, and they're small. He reckons it keeps them clear from about half an acre round his house and garden. I'm saving up my pennies.
Giok


25 Jun 05 - 01:40 PM (#1509573)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

A pound!! Gee. Just make sure your mug is full of ale while you're BBQ'g them.


25 Jun 05 - 01:59 PM (#1509584)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: heric

Long time past I was sitting in my back yard by a canyon in southern California. Just waking up with coffee and cigarette in hand. Then, cool as a cucumber, strutting as bad as any bad ass, and ugly as any horror movie monster, this goddamned tarantula strutted slowly past my feet. Being new to the Southlands, I had no clue that tarantulas lived in the U.S. When I convinced myself that it was not a dream, I did the only thing I could do, which was to smash the thing. No way I could ever sleep in that house again, otherwise. Quickly learned that I had committed a major ecological no-no. Oh, well.

Little bit of drift there.


25 Jun 05 - 02:13 PM (#1509591)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

You did the right thing. Spiders can nest in the burner tubes of your BBQ and cause a propane buildup, resulting in a fire or even an explosion. Of course, a spider that big wouldn't be able to get into those tubes... so, make sure you have a full mug of beer with you when you open your BBQ. Then, if necessary, you can douse the bastard with beer and momentarily immobilize it while your fire up the Barby and roast it's hairy little ass.


26 Jun 05 - 07:57 AM (#1510126)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: JennyO

Ooh, roasted spider. Yum!


26 Jun 05 - 09:08 AM (#1510179)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: John MacKenzie

And all those legs to go round too!
G.


26 Jun 05 - 09:38 AM (#1510204)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: JennyO

I like thigh meat myself.


26 Jun 05 - 10:55 AM (#1510268)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Metchosin

Been feeding fairies have you JennyO?

I think I'd better check out the mosquito magnet at Costco again to see what model it is. I've checked the internet and some of these devices sell for as high as $1400 US. This one might be a bargain.....hmmm.


26 Jun 05 - 11:14 AM (#1510276)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Hey Metch...

C Tire


26 Jun 05 - 11:19 AM (#1510282)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Hey all Canucks... if you have never been to the Crappy Tire website, try it. It's an excellent site. You can even check stock on hand at your local store. See my last post.


26 Jun 05 - 08:20 PM (#1510607)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: ranger1

I have another nasty bug to add to this thread. The Brown-tail Moth caterpillar. A nasty import from Europe, it has nasty toxic, barbed hairs that cause an excruciating rash. Not content to keep it's nasty hairs to itself, it sheds them and they waft lightly on the breeze, landing on poor innocent park rangers, who then break out in welts to rival blackfly bites. Oh, and said hairs, if inhaled by people with asthma or emphysema, also cause respitory distress. Yay! Let's hear the it for the insect world!!!!


26 Jun 05 - 09:09 PM (#1510625)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Rapparee

Black Widows, Brown Recluse, Hobo, Tarantula, scorpion, Aedes variations, various and sundry catepillars, centipedes, millipedes, fire ants, wasps, bees, chinch bugs, hornets, Army ants, and them little critters that eat the flesh off dead bodies.

I ain't ever goin' outside agin.


26 Jun 05 - 09:45 PM (#1510650)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Sorcha

CHIGGERS!!!!


26 Jun 05 - 09:56 PM (#1510658)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Ebbie

Rapaire, I've thought about living hobbit-like, burrowing endless mazes into mountainsides. One could travel a thousand miles without coming out into bright day. Problem is claustrophobia. Any cures to suggest?


26 Jun 05 - 10:08 PM (#1510667)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Metchosin

gnu, the one at Costco, if I'm recalling the price correctly is $100 cheaper than the one at Canadian Tire and if memory serves it appears to be the same model too.

Only in Canada would a prospective bride choose to sign on to the bridal gift registry at Canadian Tire. I think my youngest daughter, who's getting married in a couple of weeks, requested a cabinet makers level, amongst other odd things. LOL


26 Jun 05 - 10:33 PM (#1510682)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Bobert

Well, gnu, where I just moved to we got every danged critter that's evr been invented... Sho nuff do...

The farm we bought is like a bug farm... I swear it... There are bugs that if blowed up could have been in the original "Star Wars" movies...

Jus' today I was messin' with a hose reeler-upper an' come on aspider that looked like it had come from an alien planet so I run back to the house to find a jar to catch it and y the time I got back, it had disappeared ..... But it had like a pearl sized thing it was carryin'nder it (maybe an egg sack) and had eyes like the crabs with them periscopes in the sub-marine movies.... Weirdest lookin; spider Iz ever see'd....

But bugs? Hey, up in this holler ya' just ignore 'um or move....

Bobert


26 Jun 05 - 10:54 PM (#1510689)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,.gargoyle

Your DEET needs to be at least 70% (military surplus carry it this strong also Canada) - smear liberaly twice a day - exposed skin and all clothing.

It is not the cigar smoke that keeps them away - it is the nicotine in the blood - smoke several a day - and/or chew RedMan.

"Old Woodsman" is for the tourists - barbeque sause for fresh meat.

Vitamine B, Garlic, non-sugar diet, are all useless.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Spray window screens with comercial prep for no-see-ums. Enjoy some of the best fishing in the world and have fun.


26 Jun 05 - 10:58 PM (#1510691)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,.gargoyle

First black-widow bite of the season - not as bad as other years - immunity may be building.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


26 Jun 05 - 11:38 PM (#1510709)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Stilly River Sage

Sounds like a wolf spider, Bobert. They do that.


27 Jun 05 - 12:00 AM (#1510714)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Stilly River Sage

DEET is bad for you. Find an insecticide that is not such a neurotoxin.

Bobert, does this look like your friend?

We have wolf spiders, plus the much larger tarantula.

SRS


27 Jun 05 - 12:51 AM (#1510734)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,.gargoyle

You gotta take the good with the bad....

DEET is bad. (who says so - black flies?)

Infections, Malaria, West Nile, Staphlococis, Sleepless Nights, Itching,

is

BAD!!!!!!

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

PLEASE - remain in your air-conditioned vehicle Mr. Silly Ranger the rest of us will enjoy God's playground beneath the comforting cover of DEET.


27 Jun 05 - 01:41 PM (#1511054)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Stilly River Sage

CBC Article about DEET concerns.

Organic is better. Read this and this information.

Here's the logic behind the not using DEET or broadcast spraying pesticides against mosquitoes.

The same idiots who want to spray the whole world and kill the beneficial bugs along with the mosquitoes are the ones who are pushing DEET.

Nordic Council of Ministers
in collaboration with
European Chemicals Bureau
presents
The
N-CLASS Database
on
Environmental Hazard
Classification
version
6.0


DEET. You have to look hard to get past all of the commercial pushers of DEET at the top of the page of search results.

In the table at the above link: can be harmful to humans:

    Measured toxicity

    The Working Group has decided that there are sufficient toxicity data on the substance and/or its degradation products (e.g. hydrolysis) in order to classify or not classify.

    The subst. has been considered in order to see if it is readily degradable or not according to existing criteria. Sufficient data may not always have been precented and the substance is in those cases by default considered as not readily degradable.

    The substance has been considered in order to see if it is bioaccumulative or not according to existing criteria. The substance is considered as potentially bioaccumulative if log POW >= 3.0 (unless the experimentally determined BCF <= 100).


Can be harmful in the environment:
    A Q U A T I C C L A S S I F.
    R52-53
    Harmful to aquatic organisms (R52)
    and
    May cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment (R53)

    W A T E R S O L U B I L I T Y

    T O X I C I T Y
    10mg/l < L(E)C50 < 100mg/l

    D E G R A D A T I O N
    Readily degradable = No

    B I O A C C U M U L A T I O N
    Log Pow = 2
    BCF = N/A

    C O N C. I N T.    A Q U A T I C C L A S S I F. N/A


SRS


27 Jun 05 - 02:26 PM (#1511091)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: kendall

The little buggers were ravenous at Old Songs. They don't usually bother me, but this time they did. They nearly carried Jacqui off, and they must have been very poor and very hungry. When I saw them lining up with food stamps, I retired to the camper.


27 Jun 05 - 02:52 PM (#1511107)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Ah, Kendall... did they radio in for a runway clearance first?


27 Jun 05 - 05:08 PM (#1511202)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: jpk

to srs,depending upon which group of whakco fanantic's you listen to every thing is bad for you.to live safe,hide in a rubber room with filtered everything,maybe no get hurt;          also its kinda funny that the most vicsous insects or spiders[they ain't the same,the bloodsuckers,etc all seem to be female[nothin personel there girls,less you got six or eight legs]snikersniker.by the way have a nice day.you to ladies,when you get done beaten the guys up.


27 Jun 05 - 05:35 PM (#1511228)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Metchosin

Huh? who's beating up guys on this thread? 'cept maybe the insects and stuff...


27 Jun 05 - 05:50 PM (#1511242)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: jpk

no one but it sure could be fun allways never minded fighten with my wife even though she always won??loved the after fight get together however[it was privet


27 Jun 05 - 10:28 PM (#1511341)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Ebbie

'Tis true that the female is usually the one that gets into your hair, so to speak. It's a good indication of her power and importance. I am Woman- hear me ROAR! *G*


27 Jun 05 - 10:35 PM (#1511347)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST

GNU - Bug Dope and Smoke Dope for 375 are both your threads?

You have a hangup man?

Why don't the grow it in New Brunswick same latitude as B.C. just as much sun?


27 Jun 05 - 10:54 PM (#1511353)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Stilly River Sage

Okay, jpk, you start with the most toxic bug killer you can find, and hope it doesn't cause any neurological problems. I'll start with the milder one and hope it works against mosquitoes. If it doesn't, I can choose to switch over to some DEET mixture. But if my organic one works, I'm a lot better off.

SRS


27 Jun 05 - 11:19 PM (#1511363)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: GUEST,.gargoyle

Ms. Sage - I doubt that you have ever been where the blacks and skeeters are so thick you inhale them and anything that flies injects poison.

Wall Street Journal - Opinion - Letters to the Editor - p.A15, Monday, June 27, 2005

Black Flies, Buzzin' 'Round My Head

The annual attack of biting flies started this year in my part of Indiana right on schedule on June 2. Hoosiers call them deer flies, and they look like little brown stealth bombers, but otherwise they have all the characteristics of the black flies of your article ("You Don't Bother Me, Black Fly, Say Fans of "Jaws on Wings'," page one, June 9).

I've done considerable research on how to control these flies but have come up empty-handed except for one innovative approach developed by a clever guy in Michigan. He determined that these flies sense moving objects and usually attack the high, backside of the victim. Based on this inteligence, he came up with a patch that is sticky on both sides and is placed on the back of a cap. Flies attack the cap and stick to the parch. On my 220 yard morning walk to get the Journal at my mailbox, the patch collects 20 to 40 flies that otherwise would be after me and my dogs. It doesn't solve the problem but every bit helps.

Thomas B. Tucker
Terre Haute, Ind.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


27 Jun 05 - 11:29 PM (#1511372)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Stilly River Sage

I dunno, Mr. Gargoyle--I grew up in the soggy Pacific Northwest and spent my share of time in the mountains and by lakes and rivers swatting mosquitoes, little black flies, and when I was real unlucky, horseflies. They fly off with chunks of flesh.

Down here in Texas it's biting flies, mosquitoes, ticks, and chiggars. Not to mention the passive stuff like poison ivy (of which I have a generous smear on my right ankle, two weeks into the itchy ordeal).

SRS


28 Jun 05 - 06:34 AM (#1511502)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

10:35PM... you stoned or what? Read the other thread before you comment. I don't smoke dope.


28 Jun 05 - 06:21 PM (#1512003)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: jpk

to sally,don't make any which way to me what you use,just don't try to make me use it to[i have a unfair advantage, most bugs don't bite me,guess i am just to dang sour]


01 Oct 05 - 01:00 PM (#1573487)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Hahahaha!!! Frost on the pumpkin this morning... die you little bastards... die.


14 Dec 05 - 02:40 PM (#1627350)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

Nare a fly out today while I was snowblowing in 70kph winds which were making snowdifts on my eyebrows and moustache and freezing my ass. LOVELY!!


21 Aug 09 - 11:36 AM (#2705472)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: gnu

The Weather Network Bug Report for Moncton, New Brunswick (amazing! and comical if you live here)

Species      August 21    22    23    24    25      26

Black Flies Not In Season

Mosquitoes   Medium Medium Not likely Medium High Medium

Deer Flies   High Medium Not likely Medium Medium Not In Season

Stables Flies    Not Native

Horse Flies High   Medium Not likely Medium Medium Not In Season

No-see-ums    Not In Season

The "Not In Season"s are hilarious! The lack of skeeters on Sunday nearly made me spill my tea... I guess they don't do well in windy weather (Hurricane Bill approacheth).


21 Aug 09 - 12:06 PM (#2705496)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: olddude

Gary
I will loan you the bat that I just caught flying around my bedroom two nights ago .. (I left the window open) I hear they eat their wait in those pesky critter every night


21 Aug 09 - 12:06 PM (#2705497)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: olddude

that weight ... Dang I cannot type anymore ... fingers just don't work


21 Aug 09 - 12:09 PM (#2705500)
Subject: RE: BS: I hate flies... blackflies, skeeters, bl
From: Dorothy Parshall

Hurricanes are good for something! Sure keep the bugs away.