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26 Jul 05 - 11:39 PM (#1528931) Subject: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: nosluap57 I have 16 (type "tracert" from a command prompt) |
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26 Jul 05 - 11:43 PM (#1528933) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River 16 what? If it's 16 beer, we can talk, eh? If it's 16 tenticles, get surgery, man, or join the circus! - Shane |
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27 Jul 05 - 03:48 AM (#1528997) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Dave Hanson And what does that mean in Enlish ? eric |
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27 Jul 05 - 04:01 AM (#1529006) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Peace Maybe Max is making beer? Maybe a sock hop? Maybe 'hop to muh Lou'? |
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27 Jul 05 - 05:04 AM (#1529032) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: The Fooles Troupe It means that there are 16 steps on the internet from machine to machine for him to get to Mudcat. |
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27 Jul 05 - 05:20 AM (#1529036) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Paul Burke 21 including one request timed out. The first 10 to get me out of the UK. |
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27 Jul 05 - 08:09 AM (#1529109) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: GUEST,Mr Red er............ According to Stovold (1923 ed) playing crossed diagonals (you can see it coming so get out of the way) Mornington Crescent |
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27 Jul 05 - 08:23 AM (#1529129) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: MMario 19 - I bob back and forth from Philly to NYC a couple times |
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27 Jul 05 - 12:10 PM (#1529325) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Pauline L Would someone explain a bit more clearly how to count hops? |
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27 Jul 05 - 12:14 PM (#1529329) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Peace First, ya talk with the farmer. |
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27 Jul 05 - 12:18 PM (#1529336) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: MMario go to a command prompt. type the command "tracert www.mudcat.org" then press the enter key It will count the hops for you. |
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27 Jul 05 - 12:26 PM (#1529346) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Rapparee Idaho to Mudcat: 23, the last timed out (probably a firewall), the first 3 were 10-dots to get outa the local network. |
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27 Jul 05 - 12:33 PM (#1529354) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Donuel In my mudcat beer recipe I use 1part hops to two parts grain. For the holiday brew I replace hops with hemp leaves. For the premium brew I replace hemp with northern lights buds. |
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27 Jul 05 - 12:46 PM (#1529368) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: CarolC How do I get to a command prompt? |
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27 Jul 05 - 12:53 PM (#1529375) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: JohnInKansas CarolC - Start|Programs|Accessories|Command Prompt on most recent Windows. You can, as an alternative, click Start|Run and type "Command" (without quotes) and hit Enter. You'll get a "DOS Window" in either case. You should type "Exit" and hit enter to close the window when you're done, rather than just clicking the X, especially in older Win versions. John |
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27 Jul 05 - 06:24 PM (#1529685) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: wysiwyg How many hops to mudcat? / For those who are near Kendal, Cumbria ~S~ |
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27 Jul 05 - 07:20 PM (#1529742) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: The Fooles Troupe 22 hops for me - I'm at the end of The Internet Super Goat Track... And that's in a State Capital City... 8 hops going from Australia to USA, 6 hops around in some mob called "cogentco" in USA. |
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27 Jul 05 - 08:45 PM (#1529819) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Rapparee Or do Start -> Run, put in the command, and tell it to do it. |
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28 Jul 05 - 09:42 AM (#1529880) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: MMario yeah - but that way rapaire the results don't stay on your screen. |
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28 Jul 05 - 08:31 PM (#1530735) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: The Fooles Troupe You can make it stay on your screen if you set the options in DOS windows to not close the windows on exit. |
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04 Aug 05 - 08:11 PM (#1535256) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull |
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04 Aug 05 - 08:29 PM (#1535273) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: GUEST,.gargoyle SIX
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05 Aug 05 - 01:01 AM (#1535423) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: GUEST,Cluin 15 |
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05 Aug 05 - 06:21 AM (#1535510) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Dave Hanson 23/7 eric |
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05 Aug 05 - 10:50 AM (#1535653) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Splott Man 2 for me. Once the computer is on that is. I click on Safari in the dock then key Apple 1 and here I am. |
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05 Aug 05 - 12:41 PM (#1535732) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: wildlone 30 from south wales |
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05 Aug 05 - 01:59 PM (#1535799) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: maeve I'll count hops! How do I do it on an iMac? |
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05 Aug 05 - 02:22 PM (#1535818) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: GUEST,mudcabbit Dunno ... but if u count i'll be hoppy! |
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05 Aug 05 - 02:31 PM (#1535828) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: maeve Hey, mudcabbit, great picture. ;) |
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05 Aug 05 - 08:59 PM (#1536077) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: The Fooles Troupe maeve You'll need an experienced Mac user to help you - but you still need to run a program that does a simialr function. |
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05 Aug 05 - 09:04 PM (#1536078) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: GUEST,Jon I use traceroute on Linux. If the mac is OS X, you might have the same. |
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06 Aug 05 - 12:24 AM (#1536179) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Pauline L I got 14 hops and #13 was timed out. What does this mean? |
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06 Aug 05 - 12:28 AM (#1536182) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Cluin Get out of you house! Quick! They're coming for you!!! |
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06 Aug 05 - 12:30 AM (#1536185) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Cluin See, I left the "r" off of "your" on purpose above, because... because... because I was doing an Arnold Swarzenmuller impression. Yeah, that's right! Sure, I was! |
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06 Aug 05 - 12:58 AM (#1536191) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Pauline L What does all this mean anyway? |
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06 Aug 05 - 01:09 AM (#1536193) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Amos Pauline: "Hops" is internet=speak for the number of different computers a message has to go through to get from source to receipt. The mechanism of the internet is such that it can vary with many different paths being taken even by parts of one message. Some programs will list out and count all the waystations for you. Here's a sample: traceroute to mudcat.org (207.103.108.105), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1) 3.783 ms 0.731 ms 0.575 ms 2 10.71.0.1 (10.71.0.1) 8.322 ms 15.719 ms 10.973 ms 3 ucsdca1-rtr1-ge2-1.san.rr.com (24.25.192.97) 7.431 ms 16.941 ms 8.827 ms 4 wcsdca1-gsr3-srp0.san.rr.com (24.25.196.2) 8.038 ms 8.663 ms 11.157 ms 5 so-2-0-0-0.gar1.sandiego1.level3.net (4.79.36.9) 11.555 ms 7.887 ms 7.418 ms 6 so-7-0-0.mp1.sandiego1.level3.net (4.68.113.93) 7.692 ms 10.035 ms 10.906 ms 7 as-2-0.bbr2.sanjose1.level3.net (4.68.128.157) 22.701 ms as-1-0.bbr1.sanjose1.level3.net (209.247.9.114) 19.718 ms as-2-0.bbr2.sanjose1.level3.net (4.68.128.157) 26.608 ms 8 so-6-0-0.edge2.sanjose1.level3.net (4.68.121.194) 19.388 ms so-7-0-0.edge2.sanjose1.level3.net (4.68.121.198) 24.279 ms so-6-0-0.edge2.sanjose1.level3.net (4.68.121.194) 19.483 ms 9 cogent-level3-oc48.sanjose1.level3.net (4.68.127.202) 21.994 ms 22.997 ms cogent-level3-oc48.sanjose1.level3.net (4.68.127.18) 21.319 ms 10 p5-0.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.134) 66.384 ms 172.282 ms 21.348 ms 11 p15-0.core01.den01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.129) 55.771 ms 50.386 ms 53.723 ms 12 p5-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.30) 55.769 ms 50.507 ms 52.938 ms 13 p1-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.201) 86.025 ms 83.051 ms 85.842 ms 14 p13-0.core01.phl01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.2) 210.263 ms 95.982 ms 210.279 ms 15 g8.ba21.b003003-1.phl01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.112.34.142) 87.103 ms 91.163 ms 85.395 ms 16 voicenetcommunications.demarc.cogentco.com (38.112.5.30) 89.001 ms 91.987 ms 90.625 ms 17 phila-gw-oc12-11-0-0.voicenet.net (209.71.48.52) 89.101 ms 89.312 ms 85.932 ms 18 phila-7200.voicenet.com (207.103.158.78) 90.807 ms 86.273 ms 87.253 ms 19 207-103-102-183.lata228-vz-1.voicenet.com (207.103.102.183) 94.628 ms 99.924 ms 96.209 ms 20 207.103.108.105 (207.103.108.105) 98.183 ms 98.818 ms 99.921 ms Twenty hops including mudcat for that moment's path. A |
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06 Aug 05 - 01:15 AM (#1536198) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Amos Macusers under OS X can use the Network Utility (/Applications/Utilities) and then use the Traceroute tool -- just enter the www address or IP address of interest. Mac users on OS 9 or earlier have to find such a utility of which there are several in the freeware world . A |
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06 Aug 05 - 02:07 AM (#1536209) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: MudGuard 11 including 1 timeout from Munich, Germany |
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06 Aug 05 - 02:42 AM (#1536219) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: rangeroger I wanna go drink beer with Donuel> rr |
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06 Aug 05 - 05:03 AM (#1536239) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: GUEST,Jon One thing that is interesting to note is the timings (for 3 samples) shown on Amos' sample. I'd never looked closely at them before but when looking reaslised they can not be the times it takes from one hop to the next - add all the ms times up. They also can't be accumilated times as if you look trough them, you will find the times decrease sometimes. I've just looked up how traceroute works. It sends out ICPM requests (think ping) with a small TTL (time to live). This is sort of like a counter that decreases each hop and a server usualy replies with an error when you've run out of hops. Traceroute relies of these error messages. As far as I can make out that timings shown on tracerout are full timings from your computer to that point on the network. Also you could simulate some of what tracerout does using ping, eg, ping www.mudcat.org -t 1, ping www.mudcat.org -t2, etc. |
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06 Aug 05 - 06:05 AM (#1536258) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: maeve Unhoppily, my iMac is old enough that I'd need to find and apply the freeware Amos suggested (Thank you, Amos, Jon, and Foolestroupe.) Oh, well, I'll hop to track it down one of these days. Happy hopping. |
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06 Aug 05 - 06:37 AM (#1536266) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: GUEST,Jon It looks as if whatroute might work for your mac. |
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07 Aug 05 - 12:09 AM (#1536692) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Pauline L What is the significance of "time out"? |
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07 Aug 05 - 05:54 AM (#1536776) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: Amos IF a ping is sent to a target machine, but no auto-response is received back within a certain time, it is said to have "timed out" indicating the target host is not answering. A |
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07 Aug 05 - 06:10 AM (#1536785) Subject: RE: BS: How many hops to mudcat? From: maeve Thanks for the blue clicky, Jon. I've bookmarked that site and will look into it. I appreciate your help! |
