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01 Sep 05 - 12:06 PM (#1553832) Subject: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: GUEST In UK, we've been subject to a number of deceptions by them, not only the Iraq issue, but other underhand ways of extracting revenue. There's the PEL debacle, described in other threads, + a number of other 'soft' targets such as motorists. I recently 'flashed' a speed camera [33mph] & got a 60pound fine + 3 penalty points. Last week I received a notice from DVLA demanding 80pounds for 'SORN'- whatever that is. anyone else examples? |
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01 Sep 05 - 12:25 PM (#1553850) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Sorn is="Statutory Of Road Notification" a complete fuvking con, tell them your car is in bits, and tell them to piss off. re your speeding fine, if you need a driving licence for work, tell them your girlfrend was driving at the time, she will get the points, you will keep a clean licence, wimmins insurance is cheaper anyway. |
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01 Sep 05 - 12:26 PM (#1553852) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull better still, say its a shared car, and you dont know who was driving at the time, fuvk em! |
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02 Sep 05 - 03:48 AM (#1554498) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: GUEST,Tory voter Or even more better still, don't vote for the robbing bas...ds next time !! |
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02 Sep 05 - 03:50 AM (#1554502) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Paul Burke Speed cameras are a tax on stupidity. Stupidity is an infinitely renewable resource. You've got a speedometer, perhaps? There are big round signs telling you the speed limit? There are notifications that speed cameras are in operation, and they are painted bright yellow so you can spot them. |
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02 Sep 05 - 04:02 AM (#1554511) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: John MacKenzie I noticed the other day that although there are markings on both sides of the road beside a speed camera, it is only painted in bright colours on one side of the camera. j0hn if you tell them you don't know who was driving they will just fine the registered owner. SORN costs nothing, so if you're not using your car fill in the form keep the bureaucrats happy. Where they really get you, is if you use a car on the road you have declared is off the road, that's when they cut your goolies off. It's the windfall tax income that the government gets when the price of oil soars as it has at the moment, as if it wasn't bad enough paying £4.50 a gallon 70% of which is taxes and duty. £3.15 per gallon you pay the government! Giok |
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02 Sep 05 - 04:14 AM (#1554521) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: sian, west wales I got sent a SORN plus stroppy letter re: a car I had traded in at a reputable dealer (with whom I've dealt for going on 20 years). He HAD done all the paperwork and said that the DVLA was completely screwed up on this new system and he'd deal with it. He did. I've had nothing else from them. It's worth challenging them on some things. siân |
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02 Sep 05 - 04:57 AM (#1554543) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Paul Burke Giok, I'll check, but I think they cut the link between fuel price and tax a few years ago, after the lorry drivers' blockades. The tax is a fixed figure, so as prices go up, the take stays the same, even drops as people economise. Some people win out though- look at BP's profits recently. |
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02 Sep 05 - 05:02 AM (#1554545) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Seaking The 3 points and £60 is just the start of it. I got caught by a couple of mobile cameras on the A1 (no big yellow warning signs that day !) three years ago and have had to pay hiked up insurance rates on two cars ever since. Generally agree that you've only got yourself to blame if you get caught but it does seriously niggle that the moron who sat three feet off my tail at seventy mph the same day was technically legal and went home with a clean licence. Probably a discussion for a different thead.. |
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02 Sep 05 - 06:02 AM (#1554569) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Dave the Gnome ALWAYS dispute the camera. Ask for the photos - You are entitled to. Check the timings and the road markings. Check it looks like you. Check the plate is clear. Check if it is even your car! (Has been known). Check the letter has been signed by the appropriate senior police officer. But best advice of all has been given already. Don't speed:-) Out of interest. The 'new' style cameras that take your average speed over a mile - They take pics from the front right? How do they catch speeding motor cyclists? I quite fancy taking the old Honda Iron Horse for a spin round the M25 at 110. That is if ever you can go faster than 5mph on it;-) Cheers DtG |
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02 Sep 05 - 06:36 AM (#1554589) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Dave the Gnome The M25 not the Honda that is... Mind you the bike would be hard pushed as well at the mo. No HT leads. Anyone any suggestions how to push a HT lead that is slightly too think into a 2" deep hole in the coil? Sorry, I'm rambling again. |
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02 Sep 05 - 07:31 AM (#1554611) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: John MacKenzie Put the HT lead in the freezer straight, then insert into said hole luricated with a light oil, [the hole] g.. |
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02 Sep 05 - 09:49 AM (#1554727) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: jonm I have a friend who received a summons for jumping a traffic light in Leeds, where he was not. They sent him the photo - right registration, wrong make and colour of car. He was let off. In Warwickshire, they refuse to send you the photo. If you insist, you must plead not guilty and they will present the photo as evidence in court. Bear in mind that the court has the right to increase the fine and number of points if you are found guilty. However, my better half and I may have found a loophole. Our car is in joint names. If we are both in the car and happened to change drivers during the journey.... Basically, driving offences can only result in the conviction of one individual - two people cannot be guilty of the offence. We were following another friend and both cars were flashed by the same camera. They got a ticket, we didn't. Or maybe we braked a fraction earlier and were under the threshold speed. On the main theme, yes, the Government are out to fleece soft targets for every penny they can get and some fools just gave them that mandate for another four years! |
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02 Sep 05 - 10:05 AM (#1554742) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: GUEST 'and some fools just gave them that mandate for another four years! ' not neccessarily- the 'democratic election' [where have i heard that before?] could be a further example of their spin! |
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02 Sep 05 - 10:17 PM (#1555208) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Peace Canada has a thing called 'photo radar'. Basically, it takes a picture of the rear of yer vehicle. The registered owner of the car receives a ticket in the mail based on how much over the speed limit the vehicle was travelling. NO points go against the license because it cannot be proved exactly WHO was driving. I got two of them over the years. The car was being driven by some balding guy. NO idea who it was. |
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03 Sep 05 - 04:28 AM (#1555282) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: John MacKenzie Is this the guilty party Bruce? G.. ¦¬] |
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03 Sep 05 - 06:24 AM (#1555315) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Bunnahabhain The thing that annoys me about the speed camera system is that it only notices one form of potentially dangerous driving, and does so without flexibility. You can speed past a juniors school at 3pm, when there is a large number of small children about, or 3am when hopefully thre are rather less and recieve the same penalty, whilst you can drive past at 3 pm, just under the speed limit, phoning someone, using a map, eating, trying to control you own kids, and otherwise not looking at the road and the camera won't do any good. Abolish virtually all of the camera's, and actually have the police look for real dangerous driving, and enforce it with discresion and common sense. |
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03 Sep 05 - 06:39 AM (#1555328) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Paul Burke The trouble is that we need people to drive intelligently, and MOST of them don't want to. They are simply lazy minded, and enjoy going fast, the Jeremy Clarkson sort. We would LIKE to enforce virtue, but all we can enforce is the law. Yes, go at the full speed limit when it's safe. Go slower when it isn't. Do you know every road so well that you can confidently override the speed limit? Even if you can, what's the advantage? You save a few seconds at most. Every road has TWO speed limits- the legal one, and the sensible one. Drive at or below the lower of these. I find it ironic that people who a few weeks ago were mourning the stupid and criminal killing of Joe Scurfield are now quibbling about the police enforcing the driving laws. |
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03 Sep 05 - 04:12 PM (#1555569) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: McGrath of Harlow What's so difficult about keeping within the speed limit? The really stupid thing is having speed cameras painted yellow, so people can know where they are, and can race along, then slam on the brakes to go past the cameras, and then speed up once they are past. That's dangerous. Concealed cameras, and mobile cameras as well to supplement them (for example a couple of hundred yards after a fixed camera); and speed limits a lot better indicated than they often are. And speed limits a lot lower in some places. That's what I'd like to see. And if people drive over the limit and have to pay a fine, that's at least some compensation. But of course it'd be better people drove sensibly in the first place, and the income from fines went down to zero. |
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03 Sep 05 - 07:46 PM (#1555681) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Liz the Squeak There are many councils who actually send you a copy of the photo taken as evidence of your 'crime'. I got photographed driving in a bus lane before time - it had been extended by an hour since I'd last driven down that road, I hadn't noticed this and paid up accordingly - the photo was very clear and I was immediately identifiable from it, even though it was the back of my head. There are actually three speeds on most of our roads. There's the legal speed, the sensible speed, and the one you get forced to do by the main body of the traffic. Driving slowly (or carefully) can be just as dangerous as driving too fast, especially when you get some stupid nurk tailgating you for not going with the majority of the flow. The only way to avoid paying these 'stealth taxes' is not to break the law in the first place. And I think the limit on fuel prices was only for business purposes, not the domestic user, and for diesel rather than petrol. LTS |
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03 Sep 05 - 07:58 PM (#1555694) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: McGrath of Harlow And the sensible speed is often lower than the legal speed, most especially on residential streets. Tailgating - I'd rather like to see manufacturers required to install devices in cars to make it impossible. The idea would be that, if someone was going too close to the car in front for the speed involved, the engine would just cut out. (And maybe they could have it so that an email would automatically be sent to the police informing them of the incident...) |
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03 Sep 05 - 08:09 PM (#1555702) Subject: RE: BS: New Labour: Stealth Taxes From: Liz the Squeak Engine cutting out? That's even more dangerous than tailgating!! My engine has cut out in the middle of the Limehouse Link tunnel, a tunnel on the A14, the A13/Canning Town Roundabout and halfway down the Marylebone Road (electrical or engine failure on all counts) and on all occasions, it's been a minor miracle that I wasn't rammed or drifted into the path of another vehicle. I'm of the opinion that ALL vehicles, not just coaches and trucks, should have speed inhibitors so that it is impossible to go over a certain speed. Maybe that would work. LTS |