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08 Jun 01 - 06:44 PM (#479460) Subject: Rowan Tree From: doncam In the song 'The Rowan Tree', there is a line: 'How sweet was then my mither's voice in the martyr's psalm' Does anyone know what the 'martyr's psalm' was. My father, sadly now dead, searched and searched for the meaning without success. |
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08 Jun 01 - 06:53 PM (#479468) Subject: RE: Help: Rowan Tree From: Sorcha Don't know if this helps, or not:
"The Septuagint, and some other ancient versions, make the latter part of the 116th Psalm" (commencing with the Psalm 116:10 -- I believed, therefore have I spoken) "a distinct Psalm, separate from the former, and some have called it the Martyr's Psalm, I suppose for the sake of Psalm 116:15." -- Henry's Commentary. -- Ed. I'll have to go look up the reference.......don't know much of the Bible by heart. |
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08 Jun 01 - 07:09 PM (#479487) Subject: RE: Help: Rowan Tree From: doncam Thanks Sorcha, that sounds likely. |
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08 Jun 01 - 07:24 PM (#479494) Subject: RE: Help: Rowan Tree From: Sorcha Text for Psalm 116 is here. Look at the verses starting with 10. Seems to make sense to me........ |
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08 Jun 01 - 07:47 PM (#479504) Subject: RE: Help: Rowan Tree From: GUEST,little john cameron The Martyrs Psalm is Psalm 79,i think. http://www.cgmusic.com/workshop/smpsalter/psalm-79.htm |
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10 Sep 05 - 09:35 AM (#1560408) Subject: Origins: martyr's psalm as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Megan L My mum always sang The Rowan Tree but i only recently got all the words and noticed that verse 4 has the line "How sweet was then my mither's voice in the martyr's psalm" can anyone tell me if this refers to a particular psalm. Thanks in advance Meg |
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10 Sep 05 - 12:01 PM (#1560473) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Le Scaramouche Phrase rings a bell, Psalm 79, perhaps. |
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10 Sep 05 - 01:25 PM (#1560531) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Megan L thanks scaramouche |
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11 Sep 05 - 04:45 AM (#1560871) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Murray MacLeod I have always understood that the "martyr's psalm" refers to the psalm which was invariably sung to the tune "Martyrdom". Which particular psalm this was is lost in the mists of time as far as my memory is concerned, but I could probably resurrect it if I can lay my hands on a Scottis Psalmody (I do have one somewhere ...) |
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11 Sep 05 - 05:10 AM (#1560884) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Liz the Squeak Psalm 79 (New English Revised) is listed as 'A prayer for the Nations' deliverance'. Psalm 79 in the American Revised gives it as a 'psalm by Asaph'. |
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11 Sep 05 - 05:17 AM (#1560891) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Liz the Squeak Sorry, hit the wrong button too soon.... This album refers to Ps 79 as the Martyrs Psalm, so Scaramouche is probably right. LTS |
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11 Sep 05 - 06:09 AM (#1560917) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Murray MacLeod Well researched Liz.. "Martyrs" is of course the name of the tune to which it is sung, so it is worth noting that the correct reading of Lady Nairne's poem is "the Martyrs psalm", and not "the martyr's psalm". |
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11 Sep 05 - 06:36 AM (#1560920) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Le Scaramouche Ah. I was guessing, you see, as psalms in Hebrew go by different titles. |
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11 Sep 05 - 07:06 AM (#1560929) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Liz the Squeak I've not been able to find a psalm chant called 'Martyrs or Martyrdom' (but my resources are limited). I can only find the set chant for Ps 79 in 1900, being one by Samuel Sebastian Wesley (1766-1837) (Source - The New Cathedral Psalter Chants pub. 1909), which given the date of the Rowan Tree (1822 in the DT) is possible.... Wesley started writing music at an early age. Otherwise, there is a hymn tune 'Martyrdom' written in 1800 by Hugh Wilson (1766-1824) which is another candidate. It has a psalmic feel to it and seems to have been used for many hymns, including Amazing Grace; O God of Bethel, by whose hand; Alas and did my Saviour bleed; and others. It's also known as 'Avon'. LTS |
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11 Sep 05 - 07:08 AM (#1560932) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Liz the Squeak Scaramouche - we didn't file ALL the serial numbers off!!! : ) LTS |
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11 Sep 05 - 12:51 PM (#1561113) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Megan L I love this place I remember many happy hours as a child listening to my mum sing she used to say "If you are happy sing because you ar happy if you are sad sing to make yourself happy" blessings abound Meg |
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11 Sep 05 - 01:29 PM (#1561135) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Malcolm Douglas For more on various tunes called Martyrs, Old Martyrs and Martyrdom, see thread Is 'Amazing Grace' a Celtic song? |
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06 Jan 12 - 03:04 PM (#3286096) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: GUEST,David The myrters psalm was the psalm that the covenanters sang on the way to the gallows or stake, not sure which one it is, but rev harry coulter RP once told me which one it was |
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06 Jan 12 - 03:44 PM (#3286128) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Megan L One record of a hym was one of the Wigtown martyrs. " Margaret Wilson began to sing the 25th Psalm as the waters rose up her body, "Consider mine enemies, how many they are. And they bear a tyrannous hate against me". Finally one soldier came forward and upon pushing her body under the water said "Tak anither drink, hinny; clep wi' the partans". The reference to the partans or crabs, was made as the women are said to have grasped the stakes tightly. At a later time, when the tide had once again receded, the corpses of the two women were taken from the waters and under the cover of nightfall transferred to the Parish Kirkyard. A grave was hastily dug and they were laid in consecrated soil." Given that the covenanters struggle ran from 1638 to 1688 that would preclude anything more modern. It is likely to have been a Psalm as even today in the Gaelic church Psalms are sung with a precentor and unaccompanied. |
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06 Jan 12 - 05:55 PM (#3286207) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Jack Campin The psalm tune "Martyrs" predates the Covenanters - first printed by Hart in Edinburgh in 1615. There were harmonized versions of it early on (I think Hart's book is 4-part arrangements), though most Covenanters preferred not to use arranged versions. I have the ABC and a discussion of how it evolved in the modes tutorial on my website. The rhythm changed as well as the mode. My guess is that it was the most-sung tune in the history of Scotland. Some of the traditions Nairne would have had in mind are described in the Handbook to the Church Hymnary. |
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06 Jan 12 - 07:04 PM (#3286256) Subject: RE: Origins: martyr's hymn as mentioned in Rowan Tree From: Jack Campin 1615 version of the tune
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