06 Oct 05 - 11:53 AM (#1577133) Subject: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mr Happy I've a Jim Dunlop one handed capo which lately has developed grooves caused by wear in the rubber, & these cause the strings to sound out of tune or rattle. Is it possible to repair the capo & if so are there replacement rubbers available? |
06 Oct 05 - 12:15 PM (#1577159) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mooh I generally use hydraulic hose of the appropriate diameter, cut to length and slipped over the capo. Usually fits snug enough not to require glue. Shubb will sell you rubber for their capos and it can be adapted to others with judicious use of a sharp knife. I think we've discussed this here before. A search might reveal more. Peace, Mooh. |
06 Oct 05 - 12:16 PM (#1577162) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Clinton Hammond Why not just buy a new one? |
06 Oct 05 - 12:22 PM (#1577169) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mooh Because Clinton, fixing things is an honourable way of preserving, reusing, recycling, and economizing. Besides, maybe there are outside reasons, like for me, distance from a store, ready and enough cash, etc. If the rest of the item is okay, why not fix? Peace, Mooh. |
06 Oct 05 - 12:26 PM (#1577172) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Strollin' Johnny I bet you can get the rubbers (Behave!!). Certainly can for Shubbs, cost about a quid each (a dollar and a half if you're in the US?) |
06 Oct 05 - 12:30 PM (#1577175) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Clinton Hammond "an honourable way of preserving, reusing, recycling, and economizing" Knock yerself out man.... I'd just go buy a new on for the 10 bucks it'd cost me... |
06 Oct 05 - 12:38 PM (#1577180) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: DonMeixner The cost of repair should not be greater than the present cost of the broken item. Your time is worth something. If you spend more than an hour doing research and then the job plus the materials to fix this thing you have spent enough to buy a new one plus a spare. Don |
06 Oct 05 - 12:45 PM (#1577193) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Fortunato ...reminds me of the story of the Regiment of Royal Scots Fusiliers whose regiment lambskin condom became torn and tattered. The boys were polled by the Sgt at Arms upon the question of repair or replacement. The Sgt returned to the captain to report: "The Regiment voted to have it repaired." |
06 Oct 05 - 12:47 PM (#1577197) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST,Raggytash Clinton Could you post a couple over the pond, those jobbies cost over 30 dollare over here Cheers Raggy |
06 Oct 05 - 12:50 PM (#1577204) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Clinton Hammond Really!?!?!?! Yikes! I suspect even by the time I went and got 'em and shipped 'em to ya they'd still be cheaper eh In all honestly I can check the price on 'em and shipping and such if you really wanna explore that option... What about eBay?!?!?! |
06 Oct 05 - 01:09 PM (#1577227) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: number 6 Not worth fixing ... probably cause more damage in try to rig that Dunlop ... anyway, Dunlops (I feel) are inferior capos, been there before with them ... Go out and buy a shubb they clamp better and don't seem to develop those excessive grooves. sIx |
06 Oct 05 - 01:17 PM (#1577236) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: number 6 For heaven's sake ... 'distance'?? Jeeezuz the next time you go into town to buy groceries or booze take the xtra time and drop into your the local music store ... or get away from the Mudcat for a few minutes, google capos and buy one on line ... as to the expense, if you take your guitar playing somewhat seriously and treat it like a craft, you should invest in the best tools for the trade. A half decent capo like a Shubb costs a bit more than a Dunlop, but it is well worth the spending in the long run. sIx |
06 Oct 05 - 01:41 PM (#1577262) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: LesB Why not treat yourself to a G7? Capo. Cheers Les |
06 Oct 05 - 01:49 PM (#1577266) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Clinton Hammond My exp. with the G7 is that it's an overpriced POS.... |
06 Oct 05 - 02:27 PM (#1577290) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: open mike i like the idea of slipping rubber tubing over it.. probably easliy available at hardware store or medical supply house...i have used latex tubing to cushion and repair the parts of my guitar stand that cradle the instrument.. also found in pet stores...aquarium tubing...and if the spring is still good, use it! i find one-handed capos easier than shubbs, which although they have replaceable rubber, require 2 hands. |
06 Oct 05 - 02:39 PM (#1577299) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mooh Don't know what Dunlop is only 10 bucks, the Trigger retails between 27 and 28 bucks according to the local, less 20%. I guess I assumed. Wow, what's so hard about slipping a piece of whathaveyou over or on the Dunlop? I have stuff around to do the job because...well...I fix stuff for part of my living, and because fixing works whether it's a guitar or a capo or whatever. It's a 2 minute job. Anyway...Shubb, Golden Gate, Paige, and the like are better (in my opinion) because of their adjustability and good function, (yes, and repairability). Dunlop Triggers are okay and I find them easier to use than the Kyser, but that's me. The G7 I got for Christmas last has already started to weaken in the cam or whatever is inside the thing. I haven't tried to fix it yet. It got used a lot because some of my students tune down and so it got put either on my baritone or on their guitar. It otherwise works good, though CH is right, it's expensive. Peace, Mooh. |
06 Oct 05 - 02:59 PM (#1577324) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: John Hardly While you're at it, you might buy a few different types of hose/tubing. I would have had trouble believing that the composition of the tubing would make a difference in the sound until I got an Elliot a year ago and noticed that the harder tubing he uses seems to be more effective. |
06 Oct 05 - 03:05 PM (#1577329) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mooh John...Good advice. The way I hear it is that the Elliot is the last capo anyone needs. Test drove the Dan Crary capo in the summer. Someone said it was similar to the Elliot, it certainly felt good. Peace, Mooh. |
06 Oct 05 - 03:12 PM (#1577336) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: DonMeixner I have become a confirmed Dunlop/Victor Capo user. I use the Shubb lever capo on my banjo because it is a flat board banjo. But the worm gear on the Victor allows me to have just enough tension to do the job and not knock the guitar out of tune. Don |
06 Oct 05 - 03:27 PM (#1577346) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Seamus Kennedy Kyser capos - the only ones I use - will repair or replace for a nominal fee. Seamus |
06 Oct 05 - 04:08 PM (#1577379) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Clinton Hammond Another Kyser fan here.... |
06 Oct 05 - 04:43 PM (#1577423) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Brían I've never regretted spending the exta money for the Shubb Capo. My guitar shop gives me the replacement parts for next to nothing. The Shubb Capo causes less wear to my guitar as well. Brían |
06 Oct 05 - 05:18 PM (#1577457) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST Your correct Brian .... worth the xtra 10 bucks in buying one over a Dunlop. A Shubb will never wear out ... which allows you to spend more time playing your guitar, and not spending useless time, energy, driving all over the place trying to trace down some rubber tubing to fix it with!! sIx :) |
06 Oct 05 - 06:05 PM (#1577503) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Brían ...and the bucks for having your fretboard replaced because you are using an inferior capo. Brían |
06 Oct 05 - 08:51 PM (#1577626) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Kyser's are great capos. Have one in each of 5 different guitar cases, many for a long time. Easy to use and very dependable. |
06 Oct 05 - 09:26 PM (#1577653) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mr Happy wb Martin! |
06 Oct 05 - 10:15 PM (#1577675) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: number 6 The only negative point regarding a Shubb is that you can't clamp it to the headstock when not in use while playing. sIx |
06 Oct 05 - 10:33 PM (#1577686) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST,Martin Gibson I don't find that negative. I want everyone to see the CF Martin logo! I put my Kyser capo in my shirt pocket. Asthetically speaking, capos on headstocks I do not find too attractive. |
07 Oct 05 - 12:15 AM (#1577717) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: number 6 The shirt pocket .... I always try to remember to wear a shirt with a pocket when I go to play ... but, ya do forget, then ya leave it on a bench, floor or whatever. I think it was Leadfingers who suggested wearing a vest ... those little pockets are convenient for picks and the Shubb .... in fact I think I'll go out and check the 2nd hand thrift stores to-morrow. sIx |
07 Oct 05 - 05:13 AM (#1577778) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST Roger McGuinn endorses the G7th Capo. In his own words "I love the G7th capo!!! What a great design!!!" Now ask yourselves, who are you going to listen to, Clinton Hammond or Roger McGuinn ? |
07 Oct 05 - 06:29 AM (#1577820) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: John Hardly "Gillian and I both use Kyser capos -- that way we're both equally out of tune." -David Rawlings |
07 Oct 05 - 07:03 AM (#1577841) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST,Richard Warning! I have been told by a music shop salesman of a problem with G7 capos. the cam gear fails whilst in use, and the capo can only be removed by drilling, wrenching, hitting with blunt instruments etc. WHILST ATTACHED TO ONE'S PRICELESS INSTRUMENT. He did say it wan't common, but it happens. Richard |
07 Oct 05 - 07:36 AM (#1577866) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Strollin' Johnny My hate against Kysers is the big sticky-out horn thing - ugly and in-the-way. G7ths are great while they work. Shubbs are the Rolls Royce of Capos, infinitely adjustable and seriously strong. Don't waste money on anything else. S:0) |
07 Oct 05 - 08:09 AM (#1577892) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mooh Don...I thought the Victor capo was gone, thanks for the tip. I'm always up for another capo, even though I seem to come home to the Shubb. Brian...Fretboard replaced? Anyone who lets the use and damage go that far can't blame the capo. sIx...In some other thread we discussed gig supplies and kit. Did anyone mention pockets? Great things for capos, picks, slides, etc, and pockets look nice when attached to a vest or pants! Maybe I'll start wearing pants to gigs. McGuinn vs Hammond...I'll bet the latter gigs more and longer, but doesn't get paid to hawk new and untested products. Speaking of capos, Steinberger has a new baritone axe with a built in capo. Peace, Mooh. |
07 Oct 05 - 08:39 AM (#1577916) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: number 6 John Hardly .... thanks for that quote from David Rawlings, I luv it ! Mooh ... I find it rather awkward getting the capo out of my jeans pockets when you have a guitar strapped to my mid area, plus pants are rather uncomfortable when your playing ... I'm gonna stick to wearing just my boxers :) There's this old Scottish guitar player in town here in SJ .... plays mainly jazz on an old 1962 Gibson 335, 12 string at that, plugged inot an 'ol Princeton tube amp ... one of the best barr style players I have ever met ... anyway, he says only cheatin sissies use a capo. (yikes) sIx |
07 Oct 05 - 09:23 AM (#1577936) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Dave Hanson Kysers use a spring which ultimately fails, nothing to go wrong with a Shubb except wear and tear. eric |
07 Oct 05 - 09:43 AM (#1577951) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Charmion And light-fingered buggers hanging around behind one at a pub session ... |
07 Oct 05 - 11:48 AM (#1578034) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: DonMeixner I find Kysers pull you out of tune after the third fret. Really out of tune after the 5th fret. I've owned two and broken the springs with in 6 months on each. Dunlop now has the Victor line, You are welcom Mooh, and they are my primary capos. I have several Shubbs which I use as a second choice. Its a close second but second none the less. Don |
07 Oct 05 - 11:59 AM (#1578051) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Seamus Kennedy I also tried a couple of G7s. Didn't like them at all. Clunky, not easy to use one-handed. Still swear by the Kyser capo, and they don't make my guitar go out of tune up the neck. The big sticky-out thing is the lever for opening it one-handed and placing on the neck or headstock of the guitar; it's pretty necessary and it's never gotten in the way of my playing. Hey, if it's good enough for Segovia and Chet Atkins, it's good enough for me. Seamus |
07 Oct 05 - 12:00 PM (#1578054) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Clinton Hammond "I find Kysers pull you out of tune after the third fret. Really out of tune after the 5th fret." Get your action and intonation checked then... " McGuinn vs Hammond..." Screw him... I have a FRIEND that endorses the G7... I still think they're overpriced garbage... " I want everyone to see the CF Martin logo" That way they know your excuse without you having to tell them eh... |
07 Oct 05 - 12:01 PM (#1578059) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Cool Beans I have a worn-out Fender flatpick, heavy gauge. Is it possible to repair it? |
07 Oct 05 - 12:04 PM (#1578064) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Brían What a roaring good discussionn on comaritive qualties of the lowly capo. Will wonders never cease. The dents on the fretboard of my guitar has slowed since i stopped using a capo with an elastic on the back. Brían |
07 Oct 05 - 12:15 PM (#1578073) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mr Happy my pal Belfast Jim broke his Dunlop one hander last week. Not the spring, but the opening/closing handle-looked like metal fatigue. Thanks for repair suggestions above, the one about sliding polythene tubing over sounds promising. Will let y'all kno if it works. Cheers, Mr H |
07 Oct 05 - 12:53 PM (#1578097) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: John Hardly "I have a worn-out Fender flatpick, heavy gauge. Is it possible to repair it?" Sure, I do this kind of repair all the time. Repairing Fender Flatpick: 1. Set the damaged flatpick on a table (don't try to set it on its edge -- it will only make the repair take longer). 2. From a pick supply house or guitar shop, order a similar gauge fender pick. 3. Set the pick of similar gauge atop the damaged pick, being careful to leave at least a small edge of the damaged pick exposed. 4. Using a pair of small, needle-nose pliers, grip the damaged pick. 5. In one swift motion, yank the damaged pick out from under the pick of similar gauge. 6. You should now have an undamaged pick in precisely the same place where you once had a damaged pick. I hope this helps. |
07 Oct 05 - 01:17 PM (#1578123) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Cool Beans John H, That's hilarious! CB |
07 Oct 05 - 01:26 PM (#1578126) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mooh Happy's friend's Dunlop could be welded, but THERE'S a repair that would cost more than the value of the original, unless of course somebody would do it for free. Cool Beans...The flatpick repair is easy, as it's usually wear and tear, or operator error. Go buy a Dunlop Ultex. Or John's solution. Of course the Mr. Fixit in me has me smoothing the rough edges on student picks all the time cause I hate the sound of the edge of the pick abrading the strings. Likely also prolongs the life of the pick, though most get lost long before they're worn out. I wonder how many get swallowed by the number of times I tell kids to take them out of their mouths. Peace, Mooh. |
07 Oct 05 - 07:30 PM (#1578360) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST McGuinn vs Hammond..." Screw him... I have a FRIEND that endorses the G7 Good to know you have a friend , Clinton. |
07 Oct 05 - 08:00 PM (#1578392) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: McGrath of Harlow G7 is clever and pretty, and pleasant to use if yiou aren't in a hurry, but if Seamus Kennedy just find it awkward to use one handed, he must have remarkable hands, because I find it totally impossible. I've gone back relying on the Kyser, which, as he says, never seems to put the strings out of tune. I've found I can shift it right up the neck in the middle of a set, to change the sound and to give my hands a rest playing different shapes, and everything stays in tune. I don't think you could do that with many other capoes. (I knew that sooner or later I'd find there was something Martin Gibson and me agreed about...) |
07 Oct 05 - 08:48 PM (#1578426) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mooh I've found that the Kyser's effectiveness depends on the depth of the neck, as well as the strength of the spring and the placement of the capo. The deeper the neck the wider the capo has to open, and this seemingly increases the pressure. If this is just imaginary, so be it, but it sure seems to be the way it works on guitars around here. As has been mentioned, good set-up is vital. Is there someone with a knowledge of springs who would comment? Do they actually increase pressure the wider they're stretched. Peace, Mooh. |
07 Oct 05 - 09:14 PM (#1578447) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: DonMeixner Hi Mooh, The end result of all this debate is no one will change their opinion of their favorite peice of equipment. Be it capos or guitars. You are right as is Clinton. Set up is critical. So are the height of frets, guages of strings, neck profiles, finger board radii. The intonation on my three guitars seems to be right on if my tuners are the least bit accurate. The Kyser I have works just fine on my Old Guild, but not on my Martin Jumbo or my O-16. These are three different guitars with very different neck shapes. The Martins taper more than does the Guild. The necks are deeper as they go higher. Consequently the capos seem to be tighter on the necks the further up they go. I am convinced this is the reason I have tuning issues with the Kysers on those guitars. I have used rubber bands and a bit of pencil in a serious pitch pinch but that wasn't the best result I could have hoped for. But the real determining factor that will be outside all debate is what do you prefer. I prefer Dunlop/Victors and Shubb levers because they are small, they are well made and they don't interfer with my surgically messed up left hand. All the others I have used just get in my way. Personal preference is the real answer to the which is best question. But are they worth repairing? Who knows? Don |
07 Oct 05 - 10:31 PM (#1578512) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: number 6 Don ... good point about the shubbs not interfering with the left hand .. one of the reasons I like the shubb. sIx |
08 Oct 05 - 12:01 AM (#1578559) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST,Cluin Kyser is the king of the gigging capos, IMO. Yep, I clamp it on the headstock when not in use, for convenience. I don't give a f__k if they can't see my guitar's logo. Nothing about the Kyser ever gets in my way when I'm playing... except when it's on the headstock and the stage is crowded and it gouges out the bass player's right eye. But I use a Shubb in the studio. |
08 Oct 05 - 12:23 AM (#1578569) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST,Martin Gibson You obviously don't play a Martin. Most owners are proud of the fact. |
08 Oct 05 - 12:28 AM (#1578572) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST Surgical Tubing - available most supply stores.
Sincerely, |
08 Oct 05 - 12:35 AM (#1578574) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST,Mr Practical who needs capos.. if your guitar necks too long just saw of the length you dont need and refit the nut |
08 Oct 05 - 12:53 AM (#1578588) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: GUEST,Mr Practical ooops.. forgot to mention you'll need to leave a little extra wood at the end to nail the strings to... |
08 Oct 05 - 01:06 AM (#1578595) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: number 6 Those nails should also produce some outstanding resonance Mr. Practical. Thanks for the idea ... now I have a good project to keep me busy over the weekend. sIx |
19 Apr 11 - 08:09 AM (#3138142) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Mr Happy Capo probs again......sigh. I'm on my 3rd Jim Dunlop one hand capo & its broke. Same trouble, the spring snapped. Any way to fix? |
19 Apr 11 - 10:57 AM (#3138240) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Seamus Kennedy Buy a Kyser? |
19 Apr 11 - 11:45 AM (#3138264) Subject: RE: Worn Capo-Repair? From: Dave Hanson All springs are liable to metal fatigue with constant use [ even Keyser ], get a Shubb, no spring. Dave H |