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26 Oct 05 - 01:01 PM (#1590930) Subject: BS: biphobia From: GUEST,Janice way up North Hello Catfolk! I've been away for a while, but I'm headed back home. Seems to me like the climate's been getting just a tad too cold, and I don't mean the temperature, whether you measure it in Celsius, Fahrenheit, Kelvins, of what-have-you. I mean the social-sexual climate. Ready for a new word boys and girls? It's called BIPHOBIA and it ain't at all pretty! Just ask Holly Near, or Joan Baez, or -- well, go ahead fill in the name. Talking about the love that dare not speak it's name! Anyone else got similar experiences? |
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26 Oct 05 - 01:04 PM (#1590931) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Boys and girls, huh? Doesn't bother me because I really don't give a shit what people do. It's their business, not mine. Have a nice day. |
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26 Oct 05 - 01:22 PM (#1590949) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: GUEST,saulgoldie Being bi-sexual doubles your chances of getting a date. (I think Woodie Allen said that.) |
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26 Oct 05 - 01:33 PM (#1590957) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: GUEST,Chief Chaos THe real fear is Triphobia. Someone who'll try anything sexual at least once! |
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26 Oct 05 - 01:54 PM (#1590970) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Wesley S I was unaware that Holly Near and Joan Baez were having any problems. Fill me in please. |
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26 Oct 05 - 02:06 PM (#1590982) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: gnu How can you try anything more than once? |
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26 Oct 05 - 02:36 PM (#1591004) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: pdq You can't. That would be double jeopardy. |
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26 Oct 05 - 02:37 PM (#1591006) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Bill D " It's called BIPHOBIA and it ain't at all pretty!" I guess it depends on whether you are discrete about your proclivities or tattoo it on your forehead.... |
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26 Oct 05 - 02:39 PM (#1591010) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Back to the issue. Who really gives a rat's ass? |
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26 Oct 05 - 02:40 PM (#1591014) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Les in Chorlton I am really surprised that this thread has got so far without someone mentioning Morris Dancing and incest |
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26 Oct 05 - 02:41 PM (#1591015) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: gnu "...it ain't all pretty!" Of course not. Girls are pretty. Boys are not. |
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26 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM (#1591018) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: TheBigPinkLad Talking about the love that dare not speak it's name! bodhranophelia? |
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26 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM (#1591020) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Incest? Keep it in the family. |
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26 Oct 05 - 03:38 PM (#1591069) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Morticia How can you try anything more than once? I keep trying to play the mandolin, gnu.....many more times than once |
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26 Oct 05 - 03:41 PM (#1591070) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: MMario Peace - that would be beastiality |
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26 Oct 05 - 03:48 PM (#1591076) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: McGrath of Harlow Bikephobia? |
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26 Oct 05 - 03:53 PM (#1591082) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Rapparee Biphobia? Fear of the number two? |
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26 Oct 05 - 04:05 PM (#1591088) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Wesley S Banjoral sex ? Licking a 5 string ? |
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26 Oct 05 - 04:09 PM (#1591094) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: gnu "bodhranophelia"? I beat all my Hrans the same. |
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26 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM (#1591195) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace "Peace - that would be beastiality" LOL |
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26 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM (#1591198) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Have to admit, I do have biphobia. I slipped outta third gear on a hill when I was younger. Any of you guys or gals ever hit that bar on bicycles? Hard? Talk about yer crushed-nuts for the sundaes. Youch!! |
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26 Oct 05 - 06:08 PM (#1591201) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Janice in NJ Biphobia is the antipathy bisexuals get from the lesbian and gay communities. It ranges from mild ridicule to severe derision and complete exclusion. (The antipathy bisexuals get from the straight community is just plain old fashioned homophobia.) Holly Near and Joan Baez were on the receiving end of biphobia, particularly from lesbians, when it became know that each was bi. Holly had previously been thought of as lesbian and Joan as straight, so each was viewed somewhat differently. Joan was perceived as a coward who just couldn't face her homosexuality, while Holly was seen as a traitor to her sisters. In both instances, however, the sentiment was the same. |
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26 Oct 05 - 06:31 PM (#1591222) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: TheBigPinkLad (The antipathy bisexuals get from the straight community is just plain old fashioned homophobia.) That's indefensible. |
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26 Oct 05 - 07:34 PM (#1591280) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: bobad I don't really see why anyone would want to have their sexual orientation made public and why anyone's sexual orientation would be of interest to someone who didn't have a sexual interest in that person. |
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26 Oct 05 - 07:54 PM (#1591287) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Janice in NJ Straight people make their sexual orientation public all the time. It's considered the norm, and if they don't there is always the suspicion that they are queer. Lesbians and gay man simply want to be afforded the right and opportunity to display their own sexual orientation without the society holding it against them. What makes me angry is that many people in the lesbian and gay communities are ready and willing to treat bisexuals the same way they, lesbians and gays, have been treated by straights. As for not seeing why "anyone's sexual orientation would be of interest to someone who didn't have a sexual interest in that person," why was there so much general public interest in J. Edgar Hoover's sexual orientation? Or Liberace's? Or Martina Navratalova's? Or Ellen DeGeneres's? Could it be that there are a lot more gay men and lesbians out there than anyone will acknowledge? Maybe there are just a lot more bisexuals. |
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26 Oct 05 - 08:10 PM (#1591303) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Bobert Can't we all just get along???.... |
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26 Oct 05 - 08:15 PM (#1591304) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Bill D get a long what? |
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26 Oct 05 - 08:28 PM (#1591312) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace "As for not seeing why "anyone's sexual orientation would be of interest to someone who didn't have a sexual interest in that person," why was there so much general public interest in J. Edgar Hoover's sexual orientation? Or Liberace's? Or Martina Navratalova's? Or Ellen DeGeneres's? Could it be that there are a lot more gay men and lesbians out there than anyone will acknowledge? Maybe there are just a lot more bisexuals." I never gave a shit about that, either. |
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26 Oct 05 - 08:48 PM (#1591327) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace A bisexual in Scotland is a guy with a ram under one arm and a ewe under the other. |
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26 Oct 05 - 08:51 PM (#1591329) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Janice in NJ For those who tire of NOMAD, the third biennial America's Conference on Bisexuality will take place right up I-91 at the Sheraton Hotel in East Hartford, CT, that same weekend, November 4-6. For info click here! |
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26 Oct 05 - 08:53 PM (#1591331) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: John O'L I'm buy-sexual. I have to pay for it. |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:03 PM (#1591334) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: bobad Peace, would'nt that make him a biovineophile and there must be some law against that, no? |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:10 PM (#1591338) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Rapparee Ain't no such word as "biphobia." It's a construct with little or no relationaship to the Greek. Besides, the "phobia" suffix would mean "fear of". "Hatred of", which I suspect is what is wanted here, would have the prefix "miso", as in "misogyny". The word for hatred of bisexuals would be something like "misoermafroditism" for the condition and "misoermafrodit" for a person who hated bisexuals. Personally though, I agree with Peace. If you're a decent human being I don't care what you do in your spare time; if you're a shit as a human being, I'll think you're a shit no matter what you do alone or with others. |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:20 PM (#1591345) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: John Hardly What Rapaire said. It's always been my understanding that the current use of the word "homophobia" has changed from it's original implication -- that the reason some "straights" were intolerant of gays was because, so the arguement went (and was just accepted as true), in reality those "straights" were actually afraid (hence "phobia") of their own homosexual proclivities. It now means "hatred or intolerance" of gays -- no relationship whatsoever to "phobia". But even trying to point out the error was too politically incorrect, thus "phobia" is now a suffix with a new politcal meaning -- like "-gate" tagged to the end of every scandal. ...not that there's anything wrong with that. |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:23 PM (#1591350) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace "homophobia" So it's not an irrational fear of homogenized milk? The things I learn here just boggle the ol' mind. |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:26 PM (#1591353) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: John O'L Do I detect a trace of gatephobia here? |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:28 PM (#1591357) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: John Hardly LOL! ....the beginnings of misophobia. |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:30 PM (#1591358) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: John Hardly hmm. ...and just as I hit the "submit" button, I realized that misophobia would imply the fear of hatred, when what I meant to imply was the hatred of fear. |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:30 PM (#1591359) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace That then gives new meaning to the term "tailgate". |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:36 PM (#1591360) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace List of phobias with brief outlines/definitions. Please note the dearth of phobias starting with the letter Q. |
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26 Oct 05 - 09:37 PM (#1591361) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Hey, if Bill and Monica had got it on in the back of a pickup truck, would it have been called "Tailgate"? |
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26 Oct 05 - 10:08 PM (#1591384) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: pdq Yes, Peace (love and happiness) that was a good one. Best chuckle of the day. Even beared repeating. Really. BTW, my favorite phobia is one I don't have: tridecaphobia. Means irrational fear of tripple cheese burgers. At least it does to Commander Cody fans. |
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26 Oct 05 - 10:12 PM (#1591387) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Rapparee Actually, "homophobia" means "fear of sameness." I'm kind of pantophobic, myself -- and also tyrannophobic. |
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26 Oct 05 - 10:16 PM (#1591392) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Commander Cody. Bio here. |
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27 Oct 05 - 01:31 AM (#1591520) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: GUEST,Ingrid Frances Stark I once had a boyfriend who, when I mentioned I considered myself bi, exclaimed, " So that means that not only do I have to worry about losing you to some other guy, but I could lose you to a woman, too!?!" He ultimately lost me to myself. Much better company than he was. |
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27 Oct 05 - 04:12 AM (#1591559) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Paul Burke In the words of the old song, You'd be sweet Upon the seat Of a bisexual made for two... Why J Edgar Hoover? Because he used his power to pry into OTHER people's sexuality. He made it the issue. If you go to the Antarctic, will you suffer from bipolar disorder? |
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27 Oct 05 - 09:23 AM (#1591703) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: GUEST,philologist Fear of twos? |
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27 Oct 05 - 09:48 AM (#1591723) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: artbrooks Misophobia? But I like miso soup! Can't really understand why anyone should care about who does what to whom, and what assortment of body parts they choose to do it with...as long as, of course, those parts are attached to one body or the other(s). |
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27 Oct 05 - 03:31 PM (#1591865) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Elmer Fudd As long as you don't do it in the streets and scare the horses...only now it would be SUVs instead of horses bearing down on a loving couple and it would be no contest as to what scares who first! Semantics aside, it seems to me that prejudices in the identified gay community against bisexuals are largely based on intellectual notions of politically correct sexuality that some outspoken individuals have decided are right for everybody. Prejudices in the identified straight world are largely based on religious biases, historical precedent and plain old ignorance. Either way, both are intellectual/emotional constructs that deny the variety and richness of human experience by attempting to corral peoples' desires into carefully defined categories and attach moral judgements to them. Nothing new about that. It's crying a shame that humanity's bad habit has been ressurected once again by some whose near brethren in the bedroom have suffered terribly from its oppression for so many centuries in the past. Elmer |
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27 Oct 05 - 05:01 PM (#1591940) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Ebbie The only time that I can remember that I was dismayed about someone's sexual orientation was in connection with Flip Wilson, an American comedian who was very popular in the 70s. I never met the man, of course, but I was very taken by him and one day it occurred to me to wonder whether he might be gay - and I thought, What a waste! #1: I realize that if he were gay it wouldn't be a waste in that sense. Only to me. *G* #2: I have NO idea if he was gay. |
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27 Oct 05 - 05:38 PM (#1591979) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: TheBigPinkLad Well, he was always laughing, Ebbie ... |
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27 Oct 05 - 05:40 PM (#1591985) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Ebbie hahaha That he was. |
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27 Oct 05 - 06:33 PM (#1592020) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Janice in NJ At last someone, "Elmer Fudd" to be exact, is taking this issue seriously. I raised the question of biphobia -- which is what it is called within the LGBT communities -- on Mudcat because so many current folk musicians identify themselves as lesbians (e.g. Ani DiFranco, Pat Humphreys, Sonia Rutstein, Janis Ian, Melissa Ethridge, Cathy Fink). Yet it is from the lesbian community, but not necessarily from the folkies, that bisexual women get the most biphobic responses. They are either branded cowards like Joan Baez or traitors like Holly Near. |
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27 Oct 05 - 06:40 PM (#1592026) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: bobad That may be because they are trying to politicize sexuality. |
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27 Oct 05 - 06:57 PM (#1592040) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Janice in NJ It wasn't lesbians, gays, bis, or trannies who politicized sexuality. It was straights, especial straight men, who have used to coercive power of the state to quash those forms of sexulaity they didn't approve of, or are scared to death of! I have an idea. Let's imprison people, or lock them up in mental hospitals, or physically mutilate them for engaging in voluntary penile-vaginal intercourse. Then when they organize and raise their voices in protesr, let's accuse them of politicizing sexuality. Hee-hee. |
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27 Oct 05 - 07:03 PM (#1592048) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: bobad I don't see much evidence of those forms of sexuality being quashed, in the western world anyway, these days, on the contrary I see them being publicly celebrated. |
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27 Oct 05 - 08:59 PM (#1592144) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: artbrooks Well, Janice...did you really think that gay people, of any particular disposition, are devoid of any prejudice by virtue of the fact that they aren't straight? It seems to me that a lesbian, whose sexual orientation is toward other women and doesn't relate to men in that manner, might tend to think of another woman who relates to both men and women as "different." For some people, the leap from differentness to prejudice is a very short one. |
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27 Oct 05 - 09:09 PM (#1592150) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Well said, Art. |
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27 Oct 05 - 09:31 PM (#1592166) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Ebbie "Yet it is from the lesbian community, but not necessarily from the folkies, that bisexual women get the most biphobic responses. "It was straights, especial straight men, who have used to coercive power of the state to quash those forms of sexulaity they didn't approve of, or are scared to death of! " Janice in NJ One of the sad ironies of life seems to be that we tend to become like those who have oppressed or damaged us or otherwise impressed us. I don't know if it's because of imprinting or just a means of defense we take in with our milk. It seems to me that what you are describing is some humans' actions or reactions. Education is about the only thing that has worked consistently against bigotted thought, slow though it be. Surely in a smaller, fairly discrete populatoin like lesbians and gays, education should bear quicker fruit? |
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27 Oct 05 - 09:39 PM (#1592171) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: McGrath of Harlow I'm with bodad in being unable to understand why anyone would be particularly interested in someone's sexual preferences unless they are interested in that person sexually themselves, and want to know whether it might be reciprocated. |
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27 Oct 05 - 10:19 PM (#1592204) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Ebbie Well, Kevin, all I can say is that I had no expectation that Flip Wilson would reciprocate my interest. :) Ebbie |
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30 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM (#1593691) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace I met Flip years back and spent an afternoon with him. Nice guy, very witty and very humble. |
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30 Oct 05 - 03:26 PM (#1593715) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: JohnInKansas from bobad: I don't see much evidence of those forms of sexuality being quashed, in the western world anyway, these days, In the last major national round of elections in the US, ELEVEN STATES passed ammendments to state constitutions denying same sex couples the CIVIL right to marry. This is in addition to about the same number of states who had already decided that "only the right people have rights" by ammendments to state constitutions or in state laws. The ammendment to the Kansas State Constitution that was passed was almost a verbatim transcription of the Nazi 1936 "Declaration on Racial Purity" which denied Jews the right to marry Germans, except that it goes the additional step of denying homosexuals and lesbians the right to marry anyone. How quashed do you want them to be? John |
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30 Oct 05 - 03:41 PM (#1593726) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Elmer Fudd Janice Way up North, if you are not already familiar with her books and articles, Susie Bright is a very outspoken opponent of the PC mafia in the gay and lesbian communities and the women's liberation movement who are down on women, straight and gay, who also like to make love with or even, God forbid, be friends with men. She sometimes has a ready-shoot-aim way of shooting off her mouth, but more often her observations are rapier-sharp, funny, irreverent, and right on the money. Check out www.susiebright.com Also, her books are widely available. Elmer |
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30 Oct 05 - 03:54 PM (#1593728) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: bobad John in Kansas I was referring to Janice's statement about people being locked up, put in mental hospitals or being mutilated for the expression of their sexuality. Obviously as far as recogniton of their legal rights there is still a long way to go, more so in some jurisdictions than in others. Coincidentally, I just this week filled out paperwork to start collecting my pension and was pleased to see that the definition of spouse, in the context of benificiary, included someone of either the same or opposite sex. |
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30 Oct 05 - 06:22 PM (#1593824) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: JohnInKansas bobad - They're still debating here whether the new state constitution would make it illegal for a company to pay a pension based on defining a person of the same sex as a spouse to anyone living in the state. It almost certainly would make it illegal for any company headquartered here to do so. It appears that some hope it will prohibit both. John |
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30 Oct 05 - 06:47 PM (#1593850) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: bobad The U.S. appears to be falling behind many progressive western countries in regards to social legislation. I think there is a correlation with this and the ascendancy of the religious right in political power. Hopefully one day those in power in the U.S. will adopt the principal of separation of church and state. |
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30 Oct 05 - 08:25 PM (#1593910) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Tannywheeler So, Janice in NJ, are you the one who prefers rubber duckies? Should there be a classification of misorubberduckiphile? Getaway attendees, help me out here. I am interested in the correctness of language. And, Big Pink Lad, he (Flip Wilson) was always making ME laugh. What does that make me? A Flipophile? Should I be talking to a shrink about this stuff??? Thank you, Rapaire, for clearing stuff up. Peace, I keep telling the Bartender there ought to be a registrar, degrees conferred, maybe tuition charged. This place is toooooo educational. How does anyone have time to be nasty, exclusionary, frightened, hateful, when there's soooooooooooo much fun and laughter and love to be engaged in???????????????? Tw |
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31 Oct 05 - 02:21 AM (#1594038) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: JohnInKansas bobad - The original drafters of the US Constitution neglected to incorporate separation of church and state in the original document. This was a primary reason why only a few of the states ratified it immediately. At least six states, when they ultimately did ratify the original Constitution, made their ratification conditional on addition of an absolute ban on the establishment of any "official religion" - or they'd take their toys and go back home. The FIRST AMENDMENT to the US Constitution states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It is the stated goal of a certain significant segment of the "born agains" to eventually repeal the the religion clause of the First Amendment. Until then, they will settle for "we're not restricting your right to worship any god you want to - as long as it's ours." Note that they do NOT consider not worshiping any god an option. A lesser but vocal segment appear to have advocated in formal internal policy documents that have circulated publicly, albeit sparsely, that the 19th Amendment should be repealed: The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Acquaintance with Kansans makes this latter claim entirely credible, although illiterate Kansans seem not to be unique in the country. John |
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31 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM (#1594436) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Janice in NJ Of course I am familiar with the writings of Susie Bright, one of the great contemporary erotic authors of either sex and of any orientation. Her works, whether essays, anthologies, or fiction, have been both celebrated and condemned within the LGBT communities, sometimes by the same people who at one time praised Susie for her very frank and playful lesbo-eroticism and who later denounced her as a pornographer. If nothing else, Susie gave us the quintessential eroto-feminist battle cry: Clits up! When I made reference to people being imprisoned, locked up in mental hospitals, and physically mutilated for expressing their sexuality, I wasn't limiting myself to the USA, the UK, and Canada, the homelands of most Mudcatters. But please don't deceive yourself into thinking that all is sweetness and light in those countries. The state laws of Kansas provide just one example. And no, I am not the rubber duckie lady. |
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31 Oct 05 - 05:41 PM (#1594438) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Have you taken these issues up with the gay, lesbien, bi, tri, etc., communities? |
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31 Oct 05 - 06:03 PM (#1594458) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Janice in NJ Q: Have you taken these issues up with the gay, lesbien, bi, tri, etc., communities? A: Yes, but I don't have to. They are widely discussed issues, and there are organizations such as Transcending Boundaries that raise them all the time. Comment: The T in LGBT does not stand for tri. It stands for transgender. I haven't heard of a trisexual, although I would love to hear more. Three more terms that you may or may not alread know are intersex, pansexual, and polyamorous. I'll let you search Google if you are currently unfamiliar with them. |
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31 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM (#1594462) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace Mostly, Janice, I don't give a shit about them. No offense. |
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31 Oct 05 - 06:08 PM (#1594466) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: GUEST,Slim Eric There are two ways of looking at this. Obviously! But don't get in a state about it peeple |
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31 Oct 05 - 06:24 PM (#1594484) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace "Three more terms that you may or may not alread know are intersex, pansexual, and polyamorous." PS I am familiar with the terms and their meanings. Mostly, I don't give a shit about them. |
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31 Oct 05 - 07:42 PM (#1594544) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: McGrath of Harlow That last one would involve parrots, I imagine? |
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31 Oct 05 - 08:31 PM (#1594583) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad Peace - If you REALLY didn't give a shit about these issues you wouldn't be posting in this thread. Repeatedly. |
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01 Nov 05 - 10:13 AM (#1594951) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Peace "If you REALLY didn't give a shit about these issues you wouldn't be posting in this thread." Wrong, SD. I read to learn. When I learn something from the thread I will be somewhat more enlightened. So far that ain't happened. AND, you have yet to become the one who tells me where I may or may not post. Have a nice day. |
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01 Nov 05 - 10:29 AM (#1594970) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: open mike so who is (or was) Joan Baez's girl friend? |
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01 Nov 05 - 02:11 PM (#1595132) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Tannywheeler Who cares??? Why does it matter to anyone except Joan and(if) the woman involved??? Tw |
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01 Nov 05 - 02:38 PM (#1595150) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: greg stephens It's not exactly a secret which someone has unfairly revealed to the world: you'll find a detailed account in "And a Voice to Sing With" by Joan Baez. |
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01 Nov 05 - 05:35 PM (#1595300) Subject: RE: BS: biphobia From: Cluin Fear of the number 2? Fear of things in pairs? Fear of twins? Things you say to the dentist? uhhh... pass! |