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27 Oct 05 - 03:24 PM (#1591859) Subject: BS: OK town names: --caster From: michaelr On my custom Telecaster, I had "Tadcaster" put on the headstock in honor of Samuel Smith's ales. What other places end in --caster? Cheers, Michael |
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27 Oct 05 - 03:25 PM (#1591860) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: michaelr Sorry, that should be UK, not OK... |
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27 Oct 05 - 03:43 PM (#1591872) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: greg stephens Time-honoured Lancaster (Wm Shakespeare). |
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27 Oct 05 - 03:50 PM (#1591879) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: Mr Sooz Doncaster |
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27 Oct 05 - 03:51 PM (#1591883) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: Mr Red Just about any Roman conurbation including Caerleon Worcester Caister ? Chester Uttoxeter pronounced Uchester by locals apparently and............ any more? |
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27 Oct 05 - 06:46 PM (#1592030) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: Emma B It was the term for the site of a Roman camp Old English "ceaster" - and don't forget Chesterfield (Derbys) Chester-le-Street (Durham) Manchester and Towcester (pronounced Toaster!) |
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27 Oct 05 - 07:28 PM (#1592070) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: GUEST Also Welsh Caer so Caerwent, near the Severn Bridge actually translates as Winchester. |
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27 Oct 05 - 08:30 PM (#1592119) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: John Routledge Ancaster Malbis ( in Yorkshire)? |
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27 Oct 05 - 09:29 PM (#1592163) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: michaelr Well, since it's a play on Fender's guitars, it should be spelled --caster. Any places with two syllables before the --caster? |
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27 Oct 05 - 10:08 PM (#1592196) Subject: RE: BS: OK town names: --caster From: Auggie Surely Cynthia Plaster Caster should have one named after her. |
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28 Oct 05 - 02:47 AM (#1592294) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: MBSLynne Leicester! (Pronounced Lester, for the Yoosers) Love Lynne |
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28 Oct 05 - 02:54 AM (#1592295) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: GUEST,Raggytash I find it a "tad" ironic that you have put this on your Guitar when Humphrey Smith, chairman of Sam Smiths is so opposed to live music in his pubs |
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28 Oct 05 - 04:09 AM (#1592315) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: GUEST The Archaeology UK place names search is a good place to try - search on *caster and you get 63 entries (although some are rather similar). LFF |
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28 Oct 05 - 04:10 AM (#1592316) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Long Firm Freddie That last post was me, sans cookie. LFF |
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28 Oct 05 - 04:59 AM (#1592338) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: greg stephens Muncaster Castle, just by Ravenglass(Cumbria) is a very fine place. By the way, I dont speak Welsh but is Caer really a direct translation of Caster/Chester? I didn't know that. I mean, I think all Caster/Chesters are Roman encampments. Does that apply to all Caers? |
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28 Oct 05 - 11:05 AM (#1592367) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Splott Man Sian, West Wales will probably have more to say, but these examples seem to fit the bill. Caerphilly Caerdydd (Cardiff) Caerleon Caerwent Caernarvon All have Roman pasts |
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28 Oct 05 - 11:24 AM (#1592378) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: greg stephens Maybe you're right. I must look at a map.How about Caerlaverock? Was that a Roman place? Could well have been. |
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28 Oct 05 - 11:28 AM (#1592384) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Paco Rabanne Hullcaster. |
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28 Oct 05 - 11:58 AM (#1592408) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Snuffy I don't think Caeredin (Welsh for Edinburgh) was a Roman settlement, nor was Cahir in Ireland |
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28 Oct 05 - 12:00 PM (#1592409) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Tannywheeler That's "camp", as in a militarily fortified position. A "castle" was a fort first, and a dwelling second. And the person who lived there (was given the place by his superiors) was one who had proved himself a GOOD soldier. In high school English class, during our MacBeth unit, I was assigned the task of looking this stuff up. That was back in 1961. I feel much better now. Tw |
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28 Oct 05 - 12:03 PM (#1592412) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Paul Burke Stratocaster, Sugarcaster... Worcester is an interesting one- Wicwaraceastre (near enough) is an early version. The Wic bit refers to the Wicca tribe of Anglos Saxons- they gave their name to Wychwood. "wara" just means "inhabitants" or just "people", so the origin is "the chester of the people of the Wicca". I've often wondered if the Wicca themselves were actually relabelled Britons, because apparently the Gwic- root means "woods" in British, and Wychwood apparently originally covered much of the Midlands, so perhaps the name just means "people of the woods". And I wonder what was the process by which some became "caster", others "chester" and others still "cester", "cetter" etc., often several forms occurring in the same area. |
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28 Oct 05 - 03:21 PM (#1592572) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: michaelr Humphrey Smith, chairman of Sam Smiths is so opposed to live music in his pubs. I did not know that. But I like his beer. |
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29 Oct 05 - 01:18 PM (#1593216) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Dave the Gnome What about caster sugar, the casters on furniture and caster oil? Do they count? :D (tG) |
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29 Oct 05 - 01:30 PM (#1593223) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: GUEST,Joe_F The -caster town names (from "castrum") are prominent among the rare examples of Latin words that were brought over to England by the Roman invaders & survived in English. Another one is "street" (from "via strata", paved way -- "stratum" is a much later importation of the same word). How the k sound of Latin c mutated to ch & then to s in various dialects, I don't know, but it has happened quite a lot, and in a lot of languages (look at Italian & French). In "church", from Greek "kyriakon", it has happened twice. --- Joe Fineman joe_f@verizon.net ||: I reckon there's more things told than are true, And more things true than are told. :|| |
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02 Nov 05 - 02:04 PM (#1595897) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull I used to live in Lancaster, it was nice. |
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02 Nov 05 - 02:20 PM (#1595909) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: billybob Colchester(oldest recorded town in Britain)? |
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03 Nov 05 - 11:25 AM (#1596522) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: GUEST,DB Castor - a village near Peterborough - not far from the site of the Roman settlement of Durobrevae (spelling looks wrong but can't be bothered to look it up!) in the Nene Valley. |
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04 Nov 05 - 01:11 AM (#1597045) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Mark Cohen Joe, the way I learned it in 9th grade Latin class was that the word for a military fort was castra, which is the plural form. The reason was that a Roman fort was built with four towers at the corners. Each tower was called a castrum, so the fort itself was called the castra, or "towers." I believe our word "castle" comes from castellum, meaning "little tower." Of course, my memory might be incorrect; after all, that was XXXIX years ago... Aloha, Mark |
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04 Nov 05 - 04:02 AM (#1597104) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Paul Burke Castra (pl. castrae) was a fort long before Roman forts had towers. The later form was castrum (plural castri), which also meant a fortified town. The classic fort was playing- card shaped, with rounded corners, and a big (ish) gatehouse at the front gate (in the middle of one short side), three smaller gates in the middle of the back (the dreaded decuman gate, hrough which criminals were taken to execution), and a third to half way down the long sides. This plan held for forts of almost all sizes. Around the start of the 3rd century, they started to add round towers projecting a bit from the corners, and in larger forts and towns, midway along the walls too. These were probably for mounting heavy artillery (ballista etc.), the projection allowing them to cover the walls inbetween. |
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05 Nov 05 - 01:43 AM (#1597852) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Mark Cohen Sounds good to me. But Paul, wouldn't the plural of castrum be castra rather than castri? I think that's 2nd declension neuter. Or am I misrememberating again? Aloha, Mark |
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05 Nov 05 - 05:46 AM (#1597907) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: GUEST,DB Beavers belong to the genus 'Castor' - funny that! They gnaw down trees and dam streams and stuff. I've never seen a beaver in the wild but I've seen plenty of pictures and never are they depicted with a tower at each corner. I'm assuming that the generic name is Latin, by the way. |
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05 Nov 05 - 06:02 AM (#1597911) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Paul Burke Beavers have a tower in each corner, the pictures are wrong, and if you see one that's wrong too and many English cities are named after them. And they sit on Davy Crockett's head. They also gnaw their testicles off if attacked. Castrum pl. castra is right OF COURSE. |
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05 Nov 05 - 09:09 AM (#1597985) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: GUEST,Geoff the Duck Is the plural for beavers with the gnawed off testicles "Castrati"...? Dave the Gnome - by "caster oil" do you mean the lubricant which stops your furniture squeaking when you push it across the floor (e.g. 3 in 1 or WD40)? Alternatively did you mean "castor oil" the stuff which loosens the bowels, and is made from the same plant as is ricin. - Just like to be clear about these things! Quack! Geoff the Duck. |
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05 Nov 05 - 08:15 PM (#1598406) Subject: RE: BS: UK town names: --caster From: Mark Cohen Brilliant, Geoff! The important thing to remember about beavers is that they don't have thumbs. That's why there's Castor and Pollux. The other thing is that they use Ipana. Thread creep aside, my medical school was in Hershey, which is near Lancaster. And then my first job after residency was in Chester. And those two towns are in the same state. Coincidence? I think not. Aloha, Mark |