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Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot

01 Nov 05 - 09:36 PM (#1595442)
Subject: Lyr Req: The Callcannon Song
From: GUEST,JB

Hi there,

Who can help me please?

I am looking for the lyrics to a very old Irish song "Callcannon". The spelling may not be correct, but I know how to make it and the chorus goes somewhat as follows:

Oh you did so you did
So did you and so did I
And the more I think about it
The nearer I could cry
And sure wern`t they the happy days
When troubles we knew not
And your mother made Callcannon
In the little skillet pot

Thanks

JB


01 Nov 05 - 09:41 PM (#1595445)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Callcannon Song
From: Jeri

Here you go: Colcannon (The Skillet Pot) - enjoy!


02 Nov 05 - 02:38 AM (#1595557)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Callcannon Song
From: GUEST,JB

Excellent Jeri,

Thanks, that`s exactly what I wanted!

JB


02 Nov 05 - 04:29 AM (#1595586)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Callcannon Song
From: Dave Hanson

Verse 2 should read-
Did you ever take potato cake or boxty to the school,
Tucked underneath your oxter with your book youe slate and rule.

eric


02 Nov 05 - 08:37 AM (#1595691)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Callcannon Song
From: Leadfingers

The Digitrad Rules !!!


02 Nov 05 - 10:31 AM (#1595767)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Callcannon Song
From: GUEST,Elfcall

Boxty - mmmmmmmmmmmmm (Homer Simpson-like drooling sound)


02 Nov 05 - 06:08 PM (#1596030)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Callcannon Song
From: Susanne (skw)

What is boxty, please? I'd like to drool along!

And what is the 'curly kale' used for colcannon? Long-stemmed, green, curly leaves, cut in November?


03 Nov 05 - 01:43 AM (#1596227)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Callcannon Song
From: Celtaddict

Yes, Susanne, kale is a green-leaf relative of cabbage. Boxty is another potato dish (another survival dish, originally for feeding folks when you had little or nothing else, turned into a really good dish through a combination of practice, evolution and nostalgia) starting with both grated potato and mash.
There is a kids' rhyme/taunt ending "If you can't make boxty, you'll never get a man."


17 Feb 12 - 08:21 PM (#3310346)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Joe Offer

Anybody have any information about the origins of this song?

I found a YouTube recording of the song by some guy named Michael Grosvenor Meyer Myer.

-Joe-


18 Feb 12 - 12:02 AM (#3310391)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MGM·Lion

Thanks, Joe ~~ but 'Myer', please!

~Michael~


18 Feb 12 - 02:30 AM (#3310412)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Joe Offer

I shoulda known that, Michael...can I blame it on my sinus headache?


18 Feb 12 - 07:15 AM (#3310489)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: GUEST,Howard Jones

The version I know, learned from a recording by Tim Lyons, has "where the clurichaun were seen", rather than "leprechaun".


18 Feb 12 - 07:46 AM (#3310493)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MGM·Lion

Yes ~ I sing 'claurichaun', you will find if you play Joe's link above. I too learnt it from Tim Lyons, & Dolly McMahon, whose version is pretty well identical.

Joe, thanks for emending name. In fact, it is variously spelt ~ my Californian cousins, incl my grandfather's first cousin, the noted Louis B of MGM [my initials not entirely adventitious, as you see] spell it Mayer. Of course, I never met him; but I do know his nephew Danny Mayer, who used to come over with Judy Garland's annual London season as a dancer, & was one of the crap-game dancers in Guys & Dolls. But I don't think any of us spell it Meyer.

Wish your headache better!

~M~


18 Feb 12 - 07:49 AM (#3310494)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MartinRyan

clúracán - a dwarfish sprite. (Dineen's Irish/English dictionary.)

Regards


18 Feb 12 - 07:53 AM (#3310498)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MartinRyan

Other forms include lúcharachán which is closer to leprechaun.

Regards


18 Feb 12 - 08:05 AM (#3310502)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MGM·Lion

Interesting point to non-Irishman: are all these - clúracán, lúcharachán, leprechaun - different names for similar mythic "Little People", or are they all distinct and different notional creatures?

~M~


18 Feb 12 - 08:40 AM (#3310510)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Steve Gardham

Chrissie Raw, nee Cullen, used to sing this a lot in a band we had. She's from Limerick.


18 Feb 12 - 09:41 AM (#3310530)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MartinRyan

FWIW I think they're basically regional and dialect variations rather than a topology of gnomes! I've seen one suggestion of the likely root words but can't recall at the moment.

Regards


18 Feb 12 - 12:23 PM (#3310581)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)

clurichaun wiki article describes it as always drunk and surly. Also possible a night form of leprechaun or just a regional variant as Martin says.

Mick


18 Feb 12 - 01:24 PM (#3310609)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MartinRyan

P W Joyce in English as we speak it (1910) gives:

Leprachaun; A sort of fairy, called by several names in different parts of Ireland: - luricaun, cluricaun, lurragadaun, loghryman, luprachaun. This last is the nearest to the Gaelic original, all the preceding anglicised forms being derived from it. Luprachaun itself is derived by metathesis from Irish luchorpán, from lu, little and corpán, the diminutive of corp, a body...."


While Joyce is an old source at this stage, he is probably reliable enough.


Regards


18 Feb 12 - 02:44 PM (#3310636)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: GUEST,leeneia

A sobering thought - is there supposed to be a capital T in 'troubles'?

I made colcannon for the first time last week. I had come across a recipe for Irish sausage, so I made some and I made colcannon to go with it.

I'd heard of colcannon because I have a tape where the Black Family sings the very song under discussion.

It was no trouble, really, because we don't peel potatoes around here, and the chopped cabbage cooked up in the microwave with almost no effort. I used scallions instead of leeks. ($3.29 a pound!)

I did hold back on the butter.


18 Feb 12 - 06:33 PM (#3310722)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: GUEST,Bill S in Adelaide

Sidetrack - is luricaun the origin of the Australian larrikin, I wonder?


18 Feb 12 - 09:01 PM (#3310763)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MartinRyan

GUESTleenia

A sobering thought - is there supposed to be a capital T in 'troubles'?


Believe me, we Irish had troubles long before we had Troubles! ;>)>

Regards


19 Feb 12 - 11:35 AM (#3310980)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: MGM·Lion

I sing "sorrows" rather than "troubles", and always have. Is this my own ½-remembered gloss, or is there precedent for it an any previous version or rendition?

~M~


19 Feb 12 - 03:52 PM (#3311023)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Vic Smith

In the early to mid-sixties, I was living in a room that overlooked Avery Hill Park in south-east London. One Sunday afternoon, I looked out to see a fairly large crowd watching some strange ball game. I decided to wander over and have a look and it didn't take long to work out that all the spectators were Irish. On enquiry, I was told that that was the final of the All-England Gaelic Games.
After the game, I picked up a discarded programme and expected to find out a bit more about the game from it, To my surprise, the majority of the programme was taken up with the words of Irish traditional songs. Some of the songs, I knew the tunes to and I learned the ones that I fancied from it. One of the songs was The Skillet Pot and I liked the look of the words but had no idea how the melody went. I didn't come across the song again for years until the Tim Lyons album (The Green Linnet LP, Trailer LER 3036, 1972) came out and I was able to hear the tune and learn the song.

The words in the programme were identical to the words on the album except the programme's leprechaun for Tim's clúracán.


13 Jun 17 - 08:12 PM (#3860723)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Mr Happy

In the last verse, there's mentioned 'the Hill o'Down'

Does this refer to Hill of Down near Downpatrick in the province of Ulster or to the small village of Hill of Down, County Meath ?


19 Jun 17 - 04:58 PM (#3861788)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Mr Happy

In addition to the above question, does anyone know who wrote this song?


08 Nov 18 - 12:16 AM (#3960643)
Subject: Recipe: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Joe Offer

Colcannon

recipe in my Sacramento newspaper from The New Irish Table, by Margaret M. Johnson, but I found it here:

Cook time: 15 min
Prep time: uncertain
Yields 4-6 servings (side dish)

Ingredients:
  • 1 pound cabbage, cored, quartered, and shredded
  • 2 pounds boiling potatoes, peeled and cut into 2-inch pieces
  • 2 small leeks (white and pale green parts only), washed and sliced
  • 1 cup milk
  • Salt and freshly ground pepper to taste
  • 1/2 teaspoon ground mace
  • 8 tablespoons (1 stick) plus 2 tablespoons butter


Method:

In separate saucepans, cook the cabbage and potatoes in boiling salted water until tender, 12 to 15 minutes. Drain the cabbage and chop. Drain the potatoes and mash.

Mean while,  in a large saucepan, combine the leeks and milk and cook over medium eat until leeks are tender, 8 to 10 minutes.

Add the potatoes, salt, pepper, and mace to the leeks and milk and stir over low heat until well blended. Add the cabbage and 8 tablespoons butter and stir again to the consistency of mashed potatoes. Dot with remaining 2 tablespoons butter cut into small pieces. Serve at once.


Here's a performance by The Black Family:
08 Nov 18 - 12:18 AM (#3960644)
Subject: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Joe Offer

This song is Roud #9485 - Roud has two field recordings listed. There is no listing for this song in the Traditional Ballad Index. Any corrections or source information for the Digital Tradition lyrics?


COLCANNON (The Skillet Pot) [DT lyrics]

Did you ever eat Colcannon, made from lovely pickled cream?
With the greens and scallions mingled like a picture in a dream.
Did you ever make a hole on top to hold the melting flake
Of the creamy, flavoured butter that your mother used to make?
CHORUS
Yes you did, so you did, so did he and so did I.
And the more I think about it sure the nearer I'm to cry.
Oh, wasn't it the happy days when troubles we had not,
And our mothers made Colcannon in the little skillet pot.

Did you ever take potato cake in a basket to the school,
Tucked underneath your arm with your book, your slate and rule?
And when the teacher wasn't looking sure a great big bite you'd take,
Of the creamy flavoured buttered soft and sweet potato cake.

Did you ever go a-courting as the evening sun went down,
And the moon began a-peeping from behind the Hill o'Down?
As you wandered down the boreen where the leprechaun was seen,
And you whispered loving phrases to your little fair colleen

@Irish @food
Traditional
Performed by Mary Black with Family
filename[ COLCANON
TUNE FILE: COLCANON
CLICK TO PLAY
JK
apr97





Here's another performance by The Black Family. I really like this one:

08 Nov 18 - 12:29 AM (#3960646)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Joe Offer

Roud says Jim Carroll has a recording of the song here: Hope you don't mind my copy-pasting your text, Jim.


Colcannon
(Roud 9485)
Mikey Kelleher
Quilty and Depford, London

Recorded in London, 1977
Carroll Mackenzie Collection

 

Have you ever eat colcannon that’s made by spuds and cream
With greens and scallions blended like a picture in a dream?
Did you ever scoop the creamy top to make the little cake,
With the flavourly flavour butter that your mother use to make?

Yes she did, so did he, so did you and so did I.
The more I think about it, it’s the nearer I’m to cry.
And weren’t those the happy days when trouble I knew not,
When mother made colcannon in the little skillet pot?

Have you ever take potato cake in a bag to the school,
Tucked underneath your arm with your book and plate and rule?
And when teacher wasn’t looking a great big bite you’d take,
Of the floury, mealy, juicy, the sweet potato cake.

Yes she did, so did he, so did you and so did I.
The more I think about it, it’s the nearer I’m to cry.
And weren’t those the happy days when mother use to make,
The floury, mealy, juicy, the nice potato cake.

Have you ever been out courting when the evening sun went down,
And the moon just started peeping from behind the Hill of Down.
You wander down the borheen where the leprechaun used sing,
And you whispered soft and low to your little sweet cailín.

Yes she did, so did he, so did you and so did I.
The more I think about it, it’s the nearer I’m to cry.
And weren’t those the happy days when we did have our fling,
Back in dear old Ireland where love is lord and king.


"This song is also known as 'Little Skillet Pot'. It was written by Vaudeville performer Seán Nolan, known as ‘The Wicklow Piper’, who also wrote 'Kerry Long Ago', ‘Boys of the County Cork’ and 'My Far Down Cailín Bán’."
Jim Carroll

<< Songs of Clare




08 Nov 18 - 01:09 AM (#3960652)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Joe Offer

Hi, Jim - do you have any more information about Seán Nolan? How did you find out he was the songwriter? Any idea about publication date, and whether the song is in the public domain?
-Joe-


08 Nov 18 - 02:55 AM (#3960663)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Jim Carroll

Hi Joe
Got your note
I can't remember how I found Sean Nolan's name - I researched all the songs that were included on the site from the books in our collection and on the net

This is the little I know about the author of Skillet Pot from the few notes I have here

"OUR NEXT offering is the evocative nostalgic ballad “Kerry Long Ago”. It was written in the early years of the last century by Sean O’Nolan, a native of Baltinglass, Co Wicklow, who spent most of his life in the United States, where he died, in 1943, at the age of 72.
He composed many songs, of which the best-known are “Kerry Long Ago” and “The Boys from County Cork” "

None of the sets I can find on the net attribute the song - I'll look into it later
There's an old thread on this forum on O'Nolan entitled, 'Sean O'Nolan, Vaudvile performer - maybe somebody there knows more than I do
Jim


08 Nov 18 - 04:20 AM (#3960671)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Thompson

Two small points:

1) kale is a year-round thing, in our garden anyway. There's a delicious and easily-grown version called Daubenton's Kale, one of the 'cottage kale' versions; grows like a weed and tastes great raw or cooked.

2) no one has added the lúdramáin to the list of members of the Good People; more commonly seen today in Ireland (and even abroad, where some are believed to have migrated from Scotland) than the others.


08 Nov 18 - 04:35 AM (#3960672)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Gordon Jackson

There's a wonderful unaccompanied version by Séamus McCardle on the very rare 1974 album, Merrily Kissed the Quaker, by The Blacksmiths (who also featured a young Paddy Keenan on pipes). McCardle, too, sang "clúracán". I don't know if it was originally "clúracán" and got changed to "leprechaun", as it was better known, or if was originally "leprechaun" and somebody changed it to the lesser-known "clúracán", perhaps to be different, or to show off wider mythological knowledge. Either way, I sing it how I first heard it sung by Séamus McCardle.


08 Nov 18 - 07:23 AM (#3960693)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Jim Carroll

First time I heard this sung was by Tim Lyons on his first album 'The Green Linnet'
I have to say it's never been a favourite of mine; too much 'romanticism from afar' for me, but Tim's singing stuck a chord with me.
Tim also sang, 'An Droimin Don Dilis (The Sweet Brown Cow)' on the same album - a stunning song about The famine - far nearer my taste
Jim Carroll


08 Nov 18 - 10:17 AM (#3960722)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Gordon Jackson

Interesting. I find this an extremely sophisticated song in that it works on so many levels (well, three, at least). First, taken literally it is indeed a romantic, idealised ditty of rural life. But it's also a plea for a return to simpler times (whether or not they ever existed is a different matter); these times may be earlier historical epochs or the innocence of our youth. Thirdly, of course, it mentions 'The Troubles', though not capitalised in the printed text. In addition, the use of certain words may prompt some people towards an at least cursory examination of traditional foods and mythological characters. Moreover, the tune I know is very similar to the one posted above, but with a few Ebs replacing some of the Es, giving it a much punchier feel. Finally, it can also be used as a rousing chorus song in certain sessions. Yes, I like it very much!


08 Nov 18 - 10:24 AM (#3960725)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Dave Hanson

I've never heard so much drivel about a beautiful simple song in my life.

unbelievable.

Dave H


08 Nov 18 - 10:32 AM (#3960726)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Gordon Jackson

Of course, I respect your right to disagree with me. A pity, though, you can't express yourself without being insulting. Are you able to say what you find drivel, or is it everything I wrote?


08 Nov 18 - 10:51 AM (#3960732)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Thompson

Um, I don't think it mentions "the Troubles" - it just says "troubles we had none", I think?

The word "troubles" in Ireland is used, for instance, when someone has died; you take the hand of the bereaved person and say "I'm very sorry for your trouble" and they then tell you about the circumstances of the death and maybe cry a little.


08 Nov 18 - 11:38 AM (#3960743)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Jim Carroll

chacun à son goût surely
Jim Carroll


08 Nov 18 - 12:37 PM (#3960750)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Richard Mellish

"... written by Vaudeville performer Seán Nolan".

That could explain "scallions", which I have only ever encountered as an American word for what we Brits call spring onions. Or are they known as scallions in Ireland?


08 Nov 18 - 07:45 PM (#3960801)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: GUEST,Shay Black

Our generation heard it from the singing of my mother's sister, Frances Byrne (nee Daly). I am unsure where she got it. We sang about scallions.

What's missing in this link is that Irish mothers would always put a sixpence wrapped in wax paper in the steaming hot dish. It certainly ensured that us kids would eat mountains of it. And we were only fed Colcannon once a year, on Oíche Samhna (Halloween).


09 Nov 18 - 04:30 AM (#3960847)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan

Richard

Yes - “scallions” in Ireland.

Regards


15 Feb 24 - 12:55 PM (#4197246)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: GUEST

https://archive.org/details/78_yes-you-did_shaun-onolan_gbia0287077b

Shaun O'Nolan's own recording. His lyrics prayed, in three verses, colcannon, potato cake and courting in Ireland, with a chorus that occluded differently for each verse.


15 Feb 24 - 04:28 PM (#4197262)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: weerover

scallions = spring onions = cibols = (in Scotland) syboes (pronounced "sigh bees")

wr


16 Feb 24 - 05:17 AM (#4197291)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge

scallions on Tyneside as well- also we speak of 'going for the messages' - a frequently heard phrase in Ireland too- ie going to the shops (for groceries really).

   Also the Dolly McMahon version of the song can be heard on an LP title 'DOLLY' by the lady (late 60s?)- I knew Tim Lyons well but never heard him sing it...


05 Mar 24 - 03:11 PM (#4198593)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Michael O'Leary

Thanks for this great thread, Everyone, now going almost twenty years, I've learned so much from it. Am prepping this song to sing at some upcoming St. Pat's gigs and wanted to dig into it to learn more about it. I've been singing it a long time but knew little about it. Interesting to learn that Tim Lyons has been a major source of it for many, as he was for me directly when I learned it from him at Pinewoods in 2001.
    Thanks so much to GUEST for the recent post of the fantastic recording of Shaun O'Nolan singing it on a 78. Wow. No definitive proof that he wrote it but seems very likely.
    Here's a recording of Robbie MacMahon singing it in 1989. I post as a tribute to him since he started Robbie's First Friday trad singing session in Spancilhill, Co. Clare, which I got acquainted with on Zoom during Covid. They still occasionally host a Zoom sesh. https://youtu.be/P5gQ88CMmwg?si=2GRWLDbRiD3Yoraz


05 Mar 24 - 03:35 PM (#4198594)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Helen

Thanks Michael,

Here is your link:

Robbie McMahon Colcannon (The Little Skillet Pot)


05 Mar 24 - 05:31 PM (#4198598)
Subject: ADD Version: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Michael O'Leary

Here's the lyrics from Shaun O'Nolan's 78 recording on Columbia, titled 'Yes You Did', that GUEST posted above, as best I could hear them. And here's the same link:
https://archive.org/details/78_yes-you-did_shaun-onolan_gbia0287077b

YES, YOU DID

Did you ever eat colcannon that was made with pickled cream,
With the greens and scallions blended like a picture in your dream?
Did you ever scoop a hole on top to hold the melting cake
Of the clabbered flavored butter that your mother used to make?

        Yes you did, so did you, so did he, so did I.
        The more I think about it, the nearer I’m to cry,
        But wasn’t them the happy days when troubles we knew not,
        When our mothers made colcannon in the little skillet pot.

Did you ever take potato cake or boxty to the school
Tucked underneath your oxter with your book and slate and rule?
When teacher wasn’t looking, a great big bite you’d take
Of that floury, mealy, juicy sweet potato cake.

        Yes you did, so did you, so did he, so did I.
        The more I think about it, the nearer I’m to cry,
        But wasn’t them the happy days when mothers used to make
        That floury, mealy, juicy sweet potato cake.

Did you ever go a courting when the evening sun went down,
And the moon just started peepin’ from behind the Hill of Down?
You wander down the boreen where the leprechaun is seen,
And you whistle soft and low for your little, sweet colleen.

        Yes you did, so did you, so did he, so did I.
        The more I think about it, the nearer I’m to cry,
        But wasn’t them the happy days when we did have our fling
        In holy, saintly Ireland where love is lord and king.


05 Mar 24 - 05:37 PM (#4198599)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: Michael O'Leary

Thanks, Helen! I realized after posting I'd forgotten to make it "blue clicky".


06 Mar 24 - 03:43 AM (#4198613)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon / The Skillet Pot
From: GUEST,Lang Johnnie More

Tim Lyons :
https://youtu.be/AmNYvH5SpNA?si=F1B7jLbs6z9z8T2g


06 Mar 24 - 10:44 AM (#4198628)
Subject: RE: Origins: Colcannon/The Skillet Pot/Yes You Did
From: Michael O'Leary

Here's a wonderful account of Shaun O'Nolan's life from the Lives of the Pipers website. It's loaded with additional links.                http://livesofthepipers.com/1o%27nolanshaun.html